Current Events > philosophy majors love socialism, finance majors hate it

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http://dailynous.com/2019/07/15/political-views-philosophy-majors/

what do you all think about this? the comments are pretty much people arguing over whether nordic model countries count as socialist and criticizing the question for its lack of clarity in that regard
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Blissful idealism vs. cynical realism.

Strange how Law majors are essentially "lol, i dunno" - the hell is that about?

Godnorgosh posted...

I have to say, there's not too much "bliss" to be found in many of the ideas studied in philosophy.

Philosophy is why we know what Game Theory and "tragedy of the commons" mean, yet the correlation to socialist leanings is right there chart. Sure correlation is not causality, or maybe the causality is the other way around.

Do philosophy majors learn anything useful?
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All of the philosophy majors think they're temporarily embarrassed commissars that will be rubbing shoulders with the elite after the glorious revolution and not toiling in a field for 16 hours a day.
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Looking at the chart again, the favorability of socialism to a given major seems to be inversely proportional to the amount of money that major is reasonably expected to make after college.

Huh.
...I mean "duh".

Questionmarktarius posted...

Looking at the chart again, the favorability of socialism to a given major seems to be inversely proportional to the amount of money that major is reasonably expected to make after college.

Huh.
...I mean "duh".

I wonder why that is?
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darkjedilink posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Looking at the chart again, the favorability of socialism to a given major seems to be inversely proportional to the amount of money that major is reasonably expected to make after college.

Huh.
...I mean "duh".

I wonder why that is?

the thing about that particular point is that it doesn't prove anything though because both socialists and capitalists would expect people who make more money to be more capitalist, just for very different reasons
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Questionmarktarius posted...

Looking at the chart again, the favorability of socialism to a given major seems to be inversely proportional to the amount of money that major is reasonably expected to make after college.

Huh.
...I mean "duh".

Also their usefulness to society
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Balrog0 posted...

darkjedilink posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Looking at the chart again, the favorability of socialism to a given major seems to be inversely proportional to the amount of money that major is reasonably expected to make after college.

Huh.
...I mean "duh".

I wonder why that is?

the thing about that particular point is that it doesn't prove anything though because both socialists and capitalists would expect people who make more money to be more capitalist, just for very different reasons

Again, I think causal relationship here is the opposite of what's generally expected.

Useless degrees don't make one socialist. It's the other way around.

frontend developers love socialism

backend engineers hate it
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Godnorgosh posted...

AlephZero posted...

All of the philosophy majors think they're temporarily embarrassed commissars that will be rubbing shoulders with the elite after the glorious revolution and not toiling in a field for 16 hours a day.

Yeah, people who are anti-hierarchy totally just want to rub shoulders with the elite. Not a single one of them is opposed to capitalism on the very basis that some people do have to work 16-hour days just to get by. That's what it's all about. You got em, champ

After the revolution everyone will have the privilege of working 16 hour days to get by, and by get by I mean work 16 hours, wait in a bread line for three hours, and if you're lucky get maybe four hours of sleep.
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philosophy has been ruined since the 60's anyways

neo-kantianism will rise again!

Godnorgosh posted...

AlephZero posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

AlephZero posted...

All of the philosophy majors think they're temporarily embarrassed commissars that will be rubbing shoulders with the elite after the glorious revolution and not toiling in a field for 16 hours a day.

Yeah, people who are anti-hierarchy totally just want to rub shoulders with the elite. Not a single one of them is opposed to capitalism on the very basis that some people do have to work 16-hour days just to get by. That's what it's all about. You got em, champ

After the revolution everyone will have the privilege of working 16 hour days to get by, and by get by I mean work 16 hours, wait in a bread line for three hours, and if you're lucky get maybe four hours of sleep.

I think we'll bypass the ancap revolution, thanks!

You realize he's accurately describing Venezuela, right?
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darkjedilink posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

AlephZero posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

AlephZero posted...

All of the philosophy majors think they're temporarily embarrassed commissars that will be rubbing shoulders with the elite after the glorious revolution and not toiling in a field for 16 hours a day.

Yeah, people who are anti-hierarchy totally just want to rub shoulders with the elite. Not a single one of them is opposed to capitalism on the very basis that some people do have to work 16-hour days just to get by. That's what it's all about. You got em, champ

After the revolution everyone will have the privilege of working 16 hour days to get by, and by get by I mean work 16 hours, wait in a bread line for three hours, and if you're lucky get maybe four hours of sleep.

I think we'll bypass the ancap revolution, thanks!

You realize he's accurately describing Venezuela, right?

Hell, that's pretty much any "glorious revolution".

Anyone who knows how to actually run or do anything is either in the inner circle of the ruling party, or purged. Sometimes both, and occasionally not in that order.

Why does every socialist revolution turn into some form of not real socialism? Why should I expect the next one to actually turn out well and not yet another authoritarian dystopia?
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ssjevot posted...

Why does every socialist revolution turn into some form of not real socialism?

As explained by The Who:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q" data-time="

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

Squall28 posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

Looking at the chart again, the favorability of socialism to a given major seems to be inversely proportional to the amount of money that major is reasonably expected to make after college.

Huh.
...I mean "duh".

Also their usefulness to society

This lol
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ssjevot posted...

Why does every socialist revolution turn into some form of not real socialism? Why should I expect the next one to actually turn out well and not yet another authoritarian dystopia?

Because it's the lie that the supporters of Communist revolution have to tell themselves to continue to support Communism.
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ssjevot posted...

Why does every socialist revolution turn into some form of not real socialism?

this is an extremely vague question, so I'll answer it just as vaguely:

not every socialist revolution turned into some form of not real socialism, and there is a variety of causes for the ones that did. however, the US' funding of counter-revolutionary groups, kidnapping/killing/attempted killing of democratically elected leaders, and installation of fascist dictators in their stead has certainly been a contributing factor in many of them.

Why should I expect the next one to actually turn out well and not yet another authoritarian dystopia?

if it takes place in the US, the US can't very well interfere with it, can it?
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averagejoel posted...

not every socialist revolution turned into some form of not real socialism

Well... Poland in '89, I guess.

just remember, the more people you are OK with dying in the name of the glorious utopia, the more empathy you likely have

after all, only someone who really cares would go to such lengths to make sure the utopia comes about.

averagejoel posted...

if it takes place in the US, the US can't very well interfere with it, can it?

No, you'll get another failure but don't worry because you'll be able to blame it on those pesky people inside the US trying to stop the utopia from coming.

what should we do about those? since there aren't any other countries that are the cause of the failure...its OBVIOUSLY the citizens.

you know what would be a good solution? get rid of those citizens...they are in the way! if only they'd leave....

they won't leave? hmm what should we do...

isn't this the point of the whole socialism in one country debate? I kind of thought that the issue had been settled that that model doesn't work
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Squall28 posted...

Do philosophy majors learn anything useful?

Nope

If you go into it you probably have self sabotaging issues

It doesn't work due to greed and being unable to accurately determine each and every person's capabilities and demands. Socialism is just pure idealism. I don't even think the original intent of the idea was to be implemented but more something we work towards
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Romes187 posted...

averagejoel posted...

if it takes place in the US, the US can't very well interfere with it, can it?

No, you'll get another failure but don't worry because you'll be able to blame it on those pesky people inside the US trying to stop the utopia from coming.

what should we do about those? since there aren't any other countries that are the cause of the failure...its OBVIOUSLY the citizens.

you know what would be a good solution? get rid of those citizens...they are in the way! if only they'd leave....

they won't leave? hmm what should we do...

what the hell are you going on about now
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Crono99 posted...

Squall28 posted...

Do philosophy majors learn anything useful?

A lot of people who study philosophy end up taking law and becoming lawyers. Philosophy teaches reasoning, syllogisms, etc., which is kind of the basis for making legal arguments.

It feels like law is purposefully made more complicated so lawyers have a job. Things are worded in the most verbose, confusing way possible.
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averagejoel posted...

Romes187 posted...

averagejoel posted...

if it takes place in the US, the US can't very well interfere with it, can it?

No, you'll get another failure but don't worry because you'll be able to blame it on those pesky people inside the US trying to stop the utopia from coming.

what should we do about those? since there aren't any other countries that are the cause of the failure...its OBVIOUSLY the citizens.

you know what would be a good solution? get rid of those citizens...they are in the way! if only they'd leave....

they won't leave? hmm what should we do...

what the hell are you going on about now

absolutely nothing

legendarylemur posted...

It doesn't work due to greed and being unable to accurately determine each and every person's capabilities and demands.

honestly couldnt tell which you were talking about until your next sentence
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Finance majors also believe that the fact that companies exist to make money absolves them from any moral and societal responsibility
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Doe posted...

Finance majors also believe that the fact that companies exist to make money absolves them from any moral and societal responsibility

maybe some but there are also a ton that believe in a stakeholder theory of business

I think a particular Thomas Sowell quote fits very well here:

Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.
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Romes187 posted...

Doe posted...

Finance majors also believe that the fact that companies exist to make money absolves them from any moral and societal responsibility

maybe some but there are also a ton that believe in a stakeholder theory of business

And guess which stakeholders are prioritized >_>
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Doe posted...

Romes187 posted...

Doe posted...

Finance majors also believe that the fact that companies exist to make money absolves them from any moral and societal responsibility

maybe some but there are also a ton that believe in a stakeholder theory of business

And guess which stakeholders are prioritized >_>

The ones who actually invested in the company.
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tennisdude818 posted...

I think a particular Thomas Sowell quote fits very well here:

Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.

how are these people at different levels of intellectualism?
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Balrog0 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

I think a particular Thomas Sowell quote fits very well here:

Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.

how are these people at different levels of intellectualism?

"could" implies "optional"

darkjedilink posted...

Doe posted...

Romes187 posted...

Doe posted...

Finance majors also believe that the fact that companies exist to make money absolves them from any moral and societal responsibility

maybe some but there are also a ton that believe in a stakeholder theory of business

And guess which stakeholders are prioritized >_>

The ones who actually invested in the company.

Guys I don't think you understand the difference between a shareholder theory and a stakeholder theory

maybe

Questionmarktarius posted...

Balrog0 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

I think a particular Thomas Sowell quote fits very well here:

Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.

how are these people at different levels of intellectualism?

"could" implies "optional"

lol fair enough
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Balrog0 posted...

people arguing over whether nordic model countries count as socialist

people arguing over whether capitalist countries count as socialist lol

Broseph_Stalin posted...

Balrog0 posted...

people arguing over whether nordic model countries count as socialist

people arguing over whether capitalist countries count as socialist lol

"Social democracy throughout the west has always shared its intellectual pedigree with what you refer to as socialism dropping the -ism was itself a merely political decision, in something like the same way (albeit less creditably) that Marxists I knew at the time started calling themselves Marxians around 1989. Read a little about the history of Gunnar Myrdals participation in electoral politics if you dont think this is what happened in your own country.

Only brainwashed American nationalists (and their over-excitable left-liberal counterparts) are historically ignorant enough to think that all true forms of socialsm advocate revolution. That doesnt mean they deserve a monopoly on how the word gets used."
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ssjevot posted...

Why does every socialist revolution turn into some form of not real socialism? Why should I expect the next one to actually turn out well and not yet another authoritarian dystopia?

Spain had an anarchist revolution, dismantled hierarchies, did so by the use of various unions interacting as a cohesive network and producing through the seized means of production at rates negotiated between each union based on what met everyones needs while also meeting the interests of the workers in each union so no industry was abused by another.
The only reason it fell was because the fascist government wiped them all out after a few years. But if you ask me, the fact that you got exterminated by fascists in the late 30s-early 40s era doesnt mean you deserved it, but dont ask me Im just some Jew.

There was also a collectivist anarchist revolution in the Rojava region of Syria in the present day. They killed off ISIS in their region, established a secular region, enacted direct democracy through numerous collaborative settlements who all abide by the same leftist ideals, have 100% equal gender representation and even a side womens army and womens government unit that has full veto power in case religious tendencies lead to any roll back of rights. And theyre still around, and gaining steam as more and more people from their own region arrive to live there and Europeans and Asians also arrive to contribute.

You dont hear about successful leftist movements because its not convenient for most of the people who are tasked with talking about it.

Theres also of course the Paris Commune and others.
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Balrog0 posted...

tennisdude818 posted...

I think a particular Thomas Sowell quote fits very well here:

Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.

how are these people at different levels of intellectualism?

My assumption was that philosophy professors are largely responsible for this. So I was referring to them more than the students. Finance professors werent telling me how to manage society.
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