Poll of the Day > If you call ICE on families minding their own business, youre going to hell.

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I_Always_Die
07/16/19 4:34:45 PM
#101:


OhhhJa posted...
I_Always_Die posted...
why do so many people think its sustainable for a country to let everyone in just because they came from hardship/a poor country?

Its estimated that roughly 20 to 30 million illegal immigrants are currently living in the US. That's just under 10 percent of the population. That's not ideal for any country

daaaamn if those numbers are accurate.

Id like to see a compelling argument for why this is okay but i dont think there is one. I feel bad for these people coming from poorer countries and definitely dont agree with locking them in cages but it honestly seems like its going to be terrible in the long run if we only show sympathy and dont think about the consequences of it at all.
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GastroFan
07/16/19 4:39:46 PM
#102:


Samantha Bee did an excellent little thing on her comedy show a few weeks back about how people from El Salvador were fleeing because of all the MS 13 members the US trained and sent back to El Salvador to terrorize the local populace. Face it folks: this invasion is our fault and until we accept responsibility and fix the problem WE caused (and it's not a Dem or Repub thing), we're going to get people fleeing to the US because they don't want to be dead in their homeland.
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TheWorstPoster
07/16/19 4:40:37 PM
#103:


Illegally aliens are here, illegally. They are have not gone through the proper authorized channels in order to legally be here to begin with. By sneaking across the border, they are not only unknowingly here, but they have ALL committed a Federal crime. They are all trespassing our nation. If one were to do the same to Mexico, you would wind up in prison as happened here.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-us-marine-jailed-in-mexico-says-he-didnt-mean-to-cross-border/

We have an obligation to protect our borders, and to know exactly WHO is entering and leaving our country. Open borders is a severe security risk, ESPECIALLY due to drug cartel terrorists prominent in Northern Mexico (and I am all for declaring total war against the cartels).
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I_Always_Die
07/16/19 4:42:40 PM
#104:


@TheWorstPoster
literally no one on the entire planet gives a single fuck about what you think and that is a fact.
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TheWorstPoster
07/16/19 4:45:08 PM
#105:


I_Always_Die posted...
@TheWorstPoster
literally no one on the entire planet gives a single fuck about what you think and that is a fact.


I have not stated any baseless opinions at all.
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I_Always_Die
07/16/19 4:48:28 PM
#106:


youve lived an extremely sheltered life and have no actual valuable life experience so pretty much everything you have to say on this matter is irrelevant.
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argonautweakend
07/16/19 4:52:50 PM
#108:


what life experience is necessary to know open borders is generally bad and drug traffickers coming over is bad? Not even going into my thoughts on borders and migration, which are surely much different than ICOs, but

It even seems like you two could strike and agreement, such as

"but it honestly seems like its going to be terrible in the long run if we only show sympathy and dont think about the consequences of it at all."

So this line of hostility seems weird.
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TheWorstPoster
07/16/19 4:54:39 PM
#109:


argonautweakend posted...
what life experience is necessary to know open borders is generally bad and drug traffickers coming over is bad? Not even going into my thoughts on borders and migration, which are surely much different than ICOs, but

It even seems like you two could strike and agreement, such as

"but it honestly seems like its going to be terrible in the long run if we only show sympathy and dont think about the consequences of it at all."

So this line of hostility seems weird.


Because most people here don't care WHAT is being said, but rather WHO says it.
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I_Always_Die
07/16/19 4:55:00 PM
#110:


its fucking icoyar dude. when hes right about something its pure luck, not because he actually understands the issue/people.
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TheWorstPoster
07/16/19 4:55:45 PM
#111:


I_Always_Die posted...
its fucking icoyar dude. when hes right about something its pure luck, not because he actually understands the issue/people.


TheWorstPoster posted...
Because most people here don't care WHAT is being said, but rather WHO says it.


Case in point
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I_Always_Die
07/16/19 4:58:28 PM
#112:


TheWorstPoster posted...
I_Always_Die posted...
its fucking icoyar dude. when hes right about something its pure luck, not because he actually understands the issue/people.


TheWorstPoster posted...
Because most people here don't care WHAT is being said, but rather WHO says it.


Case in point

I dont care what you have to say because you have the brain of a 12 year old and just regurgitate shit you find on super right-wing websites.
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CTLM
07/16/19 5:06:49 PM
#113:


TheWorstPoster posted...
I_Always_Die posted...
@TheWorstPoster
literally no one on the entire planet gives a single fuck about what you think and that is a fact.


I have not stated any baseless opinions at all.


I agree with your above statement. I can't believe how many people are so supportive of what are essentially invaders, criminals trying to break into our country.
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OhhhJa
07/16/19 5:15:57 PM
#114:


GastroFan posted...
Samantha Bee did an excellent little thing on her comedy show a few weeks back about how people from El Salvador were fleeing because of all the MS 13 members the US trained and sent back to El Salvador to terrorize the local populace. Face it folks: this invasion is our fault and until we accept responsibility and fix the problem WE caused (and it's not a Dem or Repub thing), we're going to get people fleeing to the US because they don't want to be dead in their homeland.

We definitely had a hand in causing it but to say it is America's fault entirely is completely false. What caused it mostly was the rise of the drug trade in south america that made its way into mexico to get to the US. We were facilitators and still are which should tell you everything you need to know about why our government is dying on the hill of opening the borders up to any swinging dick
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Mead
07/16/19 5:38:50 PM
#115:


CTLM posted...
TheWorstPoster posted...
I_Always_Die posted...
@TheWorstPoster
literally no one on the entire planet gives a single fuck about what you think and that is a fact.


I have not stated any baseless opinions at all.


I agree with your above statement. I can't believe how many people are so supportive of what are essentially invaders, criminals trying to break into our country.


For the millionth time, theyre refugees legally seeking asylum under our own laws.
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TheWorstPoster
07/16/19 5:42:21 PM
#116:


Mead posted...

For the millionth time, theyre refugees legally seeking asylum under our own laws.


And yet they have NO legal basis to be here under international law, since they are legally obliged to stop in the FIRST country that would accept them under refugee status. Mexico accepts them under refugee status. They refuse to stop in Mexico and proceed to illegally migrate to the United States, violating not only our laws, but also international refugee law.
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GMArcturus
07/16/19 5:52:55 PM
#117:


TheWorstPoster posted...
Mead posted...

For the millionth time, theyre refugees legally seeking asylum under our own laws.


And yet they have NO legal basis to be here under international law, since they are legally obliged to stop in the FIRST country that would accept them under refugee status. Mexico accepts them under refugee status. They refuse to stop in Mexico and proceed to illegally migrate to the United States, violating not only our laws, but also international refugee law.

Because Mexico is no more safe for them than where they came from? Have you seen how bought and paid for by the drug dealers and criminals the Mexican government is?
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CTLM
07/16/19 5:56:26 PM
#118:


Mead posted...
CTLM posted...
TheWorstPoster posted...
I_Always_Die posted...
@TheWorstPoster
literally no one on the entire planet gives a single fuck about what you think and that is a fact.


I have not stated any baseless opinions at all.


I agree with your above statement. I can't believe how many people are so supportive of what are essentially invaders, criminals trying to break into our country.


For the millionth time, theyre refugees legally seeking asylum under our own laws.


And for the millionth time: there's more to it than just poor innocent children and refugees seeking asylum. Especially people from Mexico finding ways over and around the wall doesn't seem like refugees to me, especially when they randomly attack border patrol agents

People "I demand you let me in!"
America "No. Let us process you because there's just too many all at once. You didn't become naturalized citizens so we have to do things this way. "

Just because they demand it, it DOES NOT mean they we just have to let them in. There's asylum seekers, yes. And there are people who are not.

It means that much to you? You open your doors then. Let an unknown person and family from another country move into your home because they want in. You pay for everything, no questions asked. Do they have diseases? Doesn't matter because they wanted it. Criminals? Irrelevant.

That's your mind set. Because they demand asylum, people think we should just open the gate and take everyone on. Repercussions be damned
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Mead
07/16/19 5:57:54 PM
#119:


US refugee law says nothing about individuals needing to be from an adjacent country and the US does indeed accept refugees from many parts of the world

If you want to talk about international law instead of just making things up to justify bigotry then how about looking over these actual international refugee rights and think about how many of them are currently being violated

https://web.archive.org/web/20170404043327/http://lirs.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/17.-What-are-refugee-rights-under-international-law.pdf
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TheWorstPoster
07/16/19 5:58:36 PM
#120:


GMArcturus posted...
Because Mexico is no more safe for them than where they came from? Have you seen how bought and paid for by the drug dealers and criminals the Mexican government is?


Under international law, they are stopped and obliged to stay within Mexico's borders until it is clear for them to return to their home countries.

International law does not care about your feelings.
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TheWorstPoster
07/16/19 6:02:30 PM
#121:


Mead posted...
US refugee law says nothing about individuals needing to be from an adjacent country and the US does indeed accept refugees from many parts of the world

If you want to talk about international law instead of just making things up to justify bigotry then how about looking over these actual international refugee rights and think about how many of them are currently being violated

https://web.archive.org/web/20170404043327/http://lirs.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/17.-What-are-refugee-rights-under-international-law.pdf


"Refugees"

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Mead
07/16/19 6:02:52 PM
#122:


CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
CTLM posted...
TheWorstPoster posted...
I_Always_Die posted...
@TheWorstPoster
literally no one on the entire planet gives a single fuck about what you think and that is a fact.


I have not stated any baseless opinions at all.


I agree with your above statement. I can't believe how many people are so supportive of what are essentially invaders, criminals trying to break into our country.


For the millionth time, theyre refugees legally seeking asylum under our own laws.


And for the millionth time: there's more to it than just poor innocent children and refugees seeking asylum. Especially people from Mexico finding ways over and around the wall doesn't seem like refugees to me, especially when they randomly attack border patrol agents

People "I demand you let me in!"
America "No. Let us process you because there's just too many all at once. You didn't become naturalized citizens so we have to do things this way. "

Just because they demand it, it DOES NOT mean they we just have to let them in. There's asylum seekers, yes. And there are people who are not.

It means that much to you? You open your doors then. Let an unknown person and family from another country move into your home because they want in. You pay for everything, no questions asked. Do they have diseases? Doesn't matter because they wanted it. Criminals? Irrelevant.

That's your mind set. Because they demand asylum, people think we should just open the gate and take everyone on. Repercussions be damned


Tired old strawman.

We arent some backwoods nation, we are perfectly capable of dealing with refugees and illegal immigrants separately. The thing about asylum seekers is that some of them are not approved. They either get sent back home or channeled to another nation. But there is no justification to housing them like livestock in worse conditions than we treat hardened criminals.

The lack of funding argument doesnt hold merit either considering how much money is spent on frivolous things like the millions upon millions we spend to pay Trump to golf.
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Mead
07/16/19 6:04:22 PM
#123:


I cant dispute these facts, Ill post a YouTube video -Icoyar, apparently
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TheWorstPoster
07/16/19 6:05:43 PM
#124:


Mead posted...
But there is no justification to housing them like livestock in worse conditions than we treat hardened criminals.


ALL illegal aliens ARE criminals. Even if they commit no other crimes while they are here, they all have violated 8 U.S. Code 1325, which can he read in full here

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325
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Mead
07/16/19 6:10:22 PM
#125:


And apparently all refugees are criminals too if youre entrenched enough
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I_Always_Die
07/16/19 6:12:54 PM
#126:


Mead posted...
I cant dispute these facts, Ill post a YouTube video -Icoyar, apparently

12 year old mentality lmao
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TheWorstPoster
07/16/19 6:15:51 PM
#127:


Mead posted...
And apparently all refugees are criminals too if youre entrenched enough


Please read the law
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I_Always_Die
07/16/19 6:19:00 PM
#128:


@TheWorstPoster why do you even post here bro
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OhhhJa
07/16/19 6:26:55 PM
#129:


As of a couple months ago, apparently all illegal immigrants became refugees now regardless of circumstances. If you want into America, it's because you're a refugee. End of story. Does mead actually know the definition of a refugee? I'm thinking not. Does he actually know any illegal immigrants personally like I do. I doubt it. That's the laughable thing to me. I personally have known a ton of illegal immigrants in my life. I'm really good friends with a guy in the DACA program as well. He doesnt believe in amnesty for everyone either
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Mead
07/16/19 6:28:18 PM
#130:


Does mead even have a refrigerator. I really doubt it.
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Bulbasaur
07/16/19 6:31:33 PM
#131:


OhhhJa posted...
As of a couple months ago, apparently all illegal immigrants became refugees now regardless of circumstances. If you want into America, it's because you're a refugee. End of story. Does mead actually know the definition of a refugee? I'm thinking not. Does he actually know any illegal immigrants personally like I do. I doubt it. That's the laughable thing to me. I personally have known a ton of illegal immigrants in my life. I'm really good friends with a guy in the DACA program as well. He doesnt believe in amnesty for everyone either

im still waiting on that ww2 lecture

at this point you're just saying crap to make it seem like you're more credible than someone else, but all it comes off as like a 9 year old saying his dad owns Nintendo: transparent lies
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Mead
07/16/19 6:32:07 PM
#132:


and @OhhhJa I happened to have married the daughter of an illegal immigrant. The guy came here against overwhelming odds, worked harder than most people born here, got himself through school, paid his taxes, and managed to get his children through college before he passed away. Tell me thats not a fulfillment of the American Dream.

But based on your narrow minded logic, you would have seen him as a criminal fit to be put in a cage and nothing more.
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OhhhJa
07/16/19 6:39:16 PM
#133:


Mead posted...
and @OhhhJa I happened to have married the daughter of an illegal immigrant. The guy came here against overwhelming odds, worked harder than most people born here, got himself through school, paid his taxes, and managed to get his children through college before he passed away. Tell me thats not a fulfillment of the American Dream.

But based on your narrow minded logic, you would have seen him as a criminal fit to be put in a cage and nothing more.

No. As I said, I've known and befriended illegal immigrants. But they knew the consequences of coming here Bulbasaur posted...
im still waiting on that ww2 lecture

at this point you're just saying crap to make it seem like you're more credible than someone else, but all it comes off as like a 9 year old saying his dad owns Nintendo: transparent lies

When did I say I was giving a lecture lol? I merely said that comparing america currently to nazi germany shows an unfathomable ignorance of WWII history. And the fact that she said, "you dont know my background in WWII knowledge" instead of displaying said knowledge told me I was right
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TheWorstPoster
07/16/19 6:39:25 PM
#134:


Mead posted...
and @OhhhJa I happened to have married the daughter of an illegal immigrant. The guy came here against overwhelming odds, worked harder than most people born here, got himself through school, paid his taxes, and managed to get his children through college before he passed away. Tell me thats not a fulfillment of the American Dream.

But based on your narrow minded logic, you would have seen him as a criminal fit to be put in a cage and nothing more.


He violated Federal immigration laws. What he SHOULD have done was go through the legal channels in order to immigrate here LEGALLY.
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Mead
07/16/19 6:41:50 PM
#135:


Youre proving my exact point @TheWorstPoster
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CTLM
07/16/19 6:58:39 PM
#136:


Mead posted...
CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
CTLM posted...
TheWorstPoster posted...
I_Always_Die posted...
@TheWorstPoster
literally no one on the entire planet gives a single fuck about what you think and that is a fact.


I have not stated any baseless opinions at all.


I agree with your above statement. I can't believe how many people are so supportive of what are essentially invaders, criminals trying to break into our country.


For the millionth time, theyre refugees legally seeking asylum under our own laws.


And for the millionth time: there's more to it than just poor innocent children and refugees seeking asylum. Especially people from Mexico finding ways over and around the wall doesn't seem like refugees to me, especially when they randomly attack border patrol agents

People "I demand you let me in!"
America "No. Let us process you because there's just too many all at once. You didn't become naturalized citizens so we have to do things this way. "

Just because they demand it, it DOES NOT mean they we just have to let them in. There's asylum seekers, yes. And there are people who are not.

It means that much to you? You open your doors then. Let an unknown person and family from another country move into your home because they want in. You pay for everything, no questions asked. Do they have diseases? Doesn't matter because they wanted it. Criminals? Irrelevant.

That's your mind set. Because they demand asylum, people think we should just open the gate and take everyone on. Repercussions be damned


Tired old strawman.

We arent some backwoods nation, we are perfectly capable of dealing with refugees and illegal immigrants separately. The thing about asylum seekers is that some of them are not approved. They either get sent back home or channeled to another nation. But there is no justification to housing them like livestock in worse conditions than we treat hardened criminals.

The lack of funding argument doesnt hold merit either considering how much money is spent on frivolous things like the millions upon millions we spend to pay Trump to golf.


People love flying that strawman flag so much, it's got to be pretty ratty and torn by now

We are capable of dealing with the them separately. Problem is, they don't come with name tags or something to designate exactly what they are and they're storming the gates all at once. Together. And it takes time to make sure they are who they claim to be.

Money is important because why should we keep spending and spending when our country technically isn't rich. We're trillions in debt.

And our country has spent money on every president's vacation so nice try there. "Orange man bad!"
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Mead
07/16/19 7:07:02 PM
#137:


Money is important because why should we keep spending and spending when our country technically isn't rich. We're trillions in debt.


This probably isnt the most ignorant thing posted in this topic, but its certainly up there.
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CTLM
07/16/19 7:13:47 PM
#138:


Mead posted...
Money is important because why should we keep spending and spending when our country technically isn't rich. We're trillions in debt.


This probably isnt the most ignorant thing posted in this topic, but its certainly up there.


Oh omnipotent one; enlighten me then. Because as far as I know, being Trillions in debt means one should be spending money.

Our country is considered rich (number 7th GDP), but wasting money on illegals isn't the way to do it.

Technically =/= officially
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Mead
07/16/19 7:29:12 PM
#139:


CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
Money is important because why should we keep spending and spending when our country technically isn't rich. We're trillions in debt.


This probably isnt the most ignorant thing posted in this topic, but its certainly up there.


Oh omnipotent one; enlighten me then. Because as far as I know, being Trillions in debt means one should be spending money.

Our country is considered rich (number 7th GDP), but wasting money on illegals isn't the way to do it.

Technically =/= officially


As much as Republican politicians wanted to screech about the national debt under Obama, its actually pretty carefully managed, is a minuscule portion of our economy, and actually serves to strengthen the value of the dollar historically.

Its a classic political scare tactic to start freaking out about the national debt because it sounds like such a staggering number compared to what regular individuals deal with rather than part of the organized budgets of one of the wealthiest and most powerful nations in history.
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Taily_Po
07/16/19 9:05:00 PM
#140:


PK, how do you not get banned for shit like this? Anybody else who made those kinds of unwarranted comparisons would never be able to post again.

PK_Spam posted...
Theres literally no other way about it.


As far as trolling gimmicks go, it's a pretty effective line especially since you've been spamming it on nonsense like that Robert Pattinson topic.

PK_Spam posted...
Dont show ICE any respect. That entire group needs to be defunded.


ICE literally handles illegal immigration enforcement, so in its absence pretty much anybody who can get in the country -- be it on a travel visa, student visa, work visa, or simply sneaking across the border -- gets to stay indefinitely. The end result? Rampant illegal immigration.
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OhhhJa
07/16/19 9:29:26 PM
#141:


Mead posted...
CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
Money is important because why should we keep spending and spending when our country technically isn't rich. We're trillions in debt.


This probably isnt the most ignorant thing posted in this topic, but its certainly up there.


Oh omnipotent one; enlighten me then. Because as far as I know, being Trillions in debt means one should be spending money.

Our country is considered rich (number 7th GDP), but wasting money on illegals isn't the way to do it.

Technically =/= officially


As much as Republican politicians wanted to screech about the national debt under Obama, its actually pretty carefully managed, is a minuscule portion of our economy, and actually serves to strengthen the value of the dollar historically.

Its a classic political scare tactic to start freaking out about the national debt because it sounds like such a staggering number compared to what regular individuals deal with rather than part of the organized budgets of one of the wealthiest and most powerful nations in history.

This is probably the most intelligent thing I've seen you post. It's just a political football talking point to demonize whichever adminstration is in power. Same with presidents going golfing. It is funny that they all seem to fucking golf though. Play a real sport nancy boys
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Mead
07/16/19 9:32:04 PM
#142:


I agree I am very wise
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Bulbasaur
07/16/19 9:36:46 PM
#143:


OhhhJa posted...
It is funny that they all seem to fucking golf though.

look

i like golf as much as the next guy

but these fuckers golf entirely way too much
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Taily_Po
07/16/19 9:49:07 PM
#144:


Bulbasaur posted...
OhhhJa posted...
It is funny that they all seem to fucking golf though.

look

i like golf as much as the next guy

but these fuckers golf entirely way too much


You guys bitch when they're governing and bitch when they're not governing. I'm beginning to think you just like to bitch. Personally, I wish some of presidents golfed more instead of passing shit like the ACA.
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Mead
07/16/19 9:58:59 PM
#145:


Even Obama golfed way too much
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NeoSioType
07/16/19 10:11:33 PM
#146:


I heard some of them have Xbox.

What's the government thinking? Give them a Sony, Nintendo or even a Sega console.
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Bulbasaur
07/16/19 10:18:55 PM
#147:


Taily_Po posted...
Bulbasaur posted...
OhhhJa posted...
It is funny that they all seem to fucking golf though.

look

i like golf as much as the next guy

but these fuckers golf entirely way too much


You guys bitch when they're governing and bitch when they're not governing. I'm beginning to think you just like to bitch. Personally, I wish some of presidents golfed more instead of passing shit like the ACA.

this is the only time I've ever even participated in a "they golf too much" conversation

and they do. every president in the last 50 years golfed too much

and the aca is fine. so fine, in fact, that Trump's proposed changes for it just ended up, uh, not being a thing.
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Mead
07/16/19 11:03:06 PM
#148:


its hilarious when conservatives try to bitch about the ACA nowadays cause if it was really so bad youd think republican lawmakers would have come up with a single alternative replacement plan

Its why so many of them dont talk about the whole repeal and replace strategy anymore. They never had and still dont have a replacement and they know its a political loser for them. If we get rid of the ACA its to replace it with universal care just like every other first world country.
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OhhhJa
07/16/19 11:21:52 PM
#149:


Bulbasaur posted...
OhhhJa posted...
It is funny that they all seem to fucking golf though.

look

i like golf as much as the next guy

but these fuckers golf entirely way too much

I mean... everyone needs a little recreation, especially when your job is as stressful as the president but they get way more recreation than me and I don't run a country
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Sahuagin
07/17/19 12:33:45 AM
#150:


I want to say something but it looks like the discussion has run its course, oh well
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Taily_Po
07/17/19 12:33:53 AM
#151:


Mead posted...
its hilarious when conservatives try to bitch about the ACA nowadays cause if it was really so bad youd think republican lawmakers would have come up with a single alternative replacement plan


It's hilarious when liberals accuse people of being conservatives and also believe that the ACA needs a replacement plan. The ACA needs a REMOVAL plan.

Mead posted...
Its why so many of them dont talk about the whole repeal and replace strategy anymore. They never had and still dont have a replacement and they know its a political loser for them. If we get rid of the ACA its to replace it with universal care just like every other first world country.


The ACA should be repealed but, given the entirety of the bill, there's no need for a replacement.

Mead posted...
If we get rid of the ACA its to replace it with universal care just like every other first world country.


https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon

I should also point out that the US is one of only TWO first-world nations to offer birthright citizenship. Are you also in a hurry to join that crowd?
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