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greatmonkeybaby
07/13/19 4:16:03 AM
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Raziel vs Kain - Results (8 votes)
Raziel
50% (4 votes)
4
Kain
50% (4 votes)
4
Soul Reaver : Raziel

Blood Omen : Kain
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Ilishe
07/13/19 4:16:47 AM
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We know how that went so.
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boxington
07/13/19 4:18:13 AM
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I guess Raziel was more interesting to play because his soul form allowed him to do and experience different stuff

but I only played a little of the games, so I don't know how either character evolved.
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greatmonkeybaby
07/13/19 4:18:42 AM
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greatmonkeybaby
07/13/19 4:25:03 AM
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boxington posted...
I guess Raziel was more interesting to play because his soul form allowed him to do and experience different stuff

but I only played a little of the games, so I don't know how either character evolved.


Yeah soul reaver games were pretty fun to play

totalnerdken posted...
Kain is a giant dick. So Raziel.


Agree

Ilishe posted...
We know how that went so.


Lol
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MabusIncarnate
07/13/19 4:26:44 AM
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totalnerdken posted...
Kain is a giant dick. So Raziel.

This. Plus Soul Reaver 2 was one of the greatest games ever.
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LordMarshal
07/13/19 4:28:26 AM
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In Blood Omen Kain seemed like an anti-hero.

In Soul Reaver and literally Raziels origin Kain pointlessly seemed like an evil asshole.
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Nazanir
07/13/19 4:28:57 AM
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The Soul Reaver games were more fun to play, thanks to the puzzle mechanics involved by switching from the spectral realm to the physical realm and back.

However, especially after Defiance, I really like Kain more as a character. He really has more depth and more personality, other than "I am mad a Kain and I want my revenge" Raziel. Yes, as the story progressed, Raziel learned more and even understood Kain's motives, but Kain changed more as a whole.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon
07/13/19 4:30:30 AM
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I like both of them (still some of my favorite voice acting ever), but I think I like Raziel just a little bit more, and had more fun with the Soul Reaver games than the Blood Omen ones.
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xsouljah
07/13/19 4:31:31 AM
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I loved these games. I wish they'd revive them.
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greatmonkeybaby
07/13/19 4:34:30 AM
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xsouljah posted...
I loved these games. I wish they'd revive them.

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greatmonkeybaby
07/13/19 4:34:51 AM
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Nazanir posted...
The Soul Reaver games were more fun to play, thanks to the puzzle mechanics involved by switching from the spectral realm to the physical realm and back.

However, especially after Defiance, I really like Kain more as a character. He really has more depth and more personality, other than "I am mad a Kain and I want my revenge" Raziel. Yes, as the story progressed, Raziel learned more and even understood Kain's motives, but Kain changed more as a whole.


& this makes sense tbh
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LordMarshal
07/13/19 8:25:35 AM
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After looking over the entire story, which is essentially Kain trying to change fate by knowing of future events and having little power to actually change them but constsntly trying, i can say i like them both but give the edge to kain. But Raziel only helps.
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Ushiromiya
07/13/19 10:52:28 AM
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I never had a close connection to this series, besides playing Soul Reaver 1. But whenever it gets brought up, I always get an urge to do a quick dive into the lore and the franchise's history. I wonder how much of Dead Sun was actually complete by the time it was cancelled.

Edit: I voted Raziel
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Tyranthraxus
07/13/19 11:02:15 AM
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Ilishe posted...


totalnerdken posted...
Kain is a giant dick. So Raziel.


Agree


LordMarshal posted...
Kain pointlessly seemed like an evil asshole.


Kain actually has some really good justifications for doing what he does. He seems like an asshole because it's essential to his plan to defeat the hylden
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Jiek_Fafn
07/13/19 5:58:59 PM
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Raziel is a whiney bitch for most of the series. Kain gets shit done.
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Nazanir
07/14/19 2:16:28 AM
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totalnerdken posted...
Jiek_Fafn posted...
Raziel is a whiney bitch for most of the series. Kain gets shit done.

Well, I mean he had his wings destroyed and thrown in a pit to die for no good reason.

I feel like that's a legit reason to bitch.

Actually, if you played through the games you know Kain didn't do those things for "no good reason".
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greatmonkeybaby
07/16/19 4:09:03 AM
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Nazanir posted...
totalnerdken posted...
Jiek_Fafn posted...
Raziel is a whiney bitch for most of the series. Kain gets shit done.

Well, I mean he had his wings destroyed and thrown in a pit to die for no good reason.

I feel like that's a legit reason to bitch.

Actually, if you played through the games you know Kain didn't do those things for "no good reason".


Yeah at that point you understand both of them
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evil_zombie11
07/16/19 4:20:50 AM
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I voted Kain.

Not just because he looks and sounds cool as hell but because his story is greater. Through Raziel's perspective it seems like Kain is being selfish but later on we see that Kain is trying to break through the shackles of pre-destined fate using the only tool that has free will, Raziel. At the same time, giving Raziel freedom from Mobius and the Elder God. It's even deeper than that but man I love this series.

The Legacy of Kain games all center around Kain essentially.
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_Rinku_
07/16/19 4:49:17 AM
#23:


Damn, now I really want to replay all the games except for Blood Omen 2.
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SoIidLegacy
07/16/19 5:17:28 AM
#24:


Has anyone found a place where Blood Omen 1 can be (legally) acquired yet? Despite the dated gameplay, it had a high replay value because of all the hidden stuff and bits of additional lore, on top of the excellent mono/dialogues & voice acting, obviously.

Like this scene where Kain & Vorador first meet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yulxYmr7pWk" data-time="


I just love they both come off so arrogant while deeming themselves wiser than each other.
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_Rinku_
07/16/19 7:42:52 AM
#25:


SoIidLegacy posted...
Has anyone found a place where Blood Omen 1 can be (legally) acquired yet? Despite the dated gameplay, it had a high replay value because of all the hidden stuff and bits of additional lore, on top of the excellent mono/dialogues & voice acting, obviously.

Like this scene where Kain & Vorador first meet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yulxYmr7pWk" data-time="


I just love they both come off so arrogant while deeming themselves wiser than each other.

You can buy it as a "PSOne Classic" on the PS3/PSP. Should be able to play it on a Vita too. I've been itching to replay it, but I recall the PS1 version having abysmally long load times.
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greatmonkeybaby
07/16/19 5:55:37 PM
#26:


_Rinku_ posted...
SoIidLegacy posted...
Has anyone found a place where Blood Omen 1 can be (legally) acquired yet? Despite the dated gameplay, it had a high replay value because of all the hidden stuff and bits of additional lore, on top of the excellent mono/dialogues & voice acting, obviously.

Like this scene where Kain & Vorador first meet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yulxYmr7pWk" data-time="


I just love they both come off so arrogant while deeming themselves wiser than each other.

You can buy it as a "PSOne Classic" on the PS3/PSP. Should be able to play it on a Vita too. I've been itching to replay it, but I recall the PS1 version having abysmally long load times.


^ yeah it is playable on the vita
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greatmonkeybaby
07/16/19 5:56:43 PM
#27:


_Rinku_ posted...
Damn, now I really want to replay all the games except for Blood Omen 2.


Blood omen 2 was the second ps2 game i got lol & it wasn't that lit tbh
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_Rinku_
07/16/19 6:11:24 PM
#28:


greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Damn, now I really want to replay all the games except for Blood Omen 2.


Blood omen 2 was the second ps2 game i got lol & it wasn't that lit tbh

I've never actually finished BO2 to this day.
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greatmonkeybaby
07/16/19 6:16:49 PM
#29:


_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
Damn, now I really want to replay all the games except for Blood Omen 2.


Blood omen 2 was the second ps2 game i got lol & it wasn't that lit tbh

I've never actually finished BO2 to this day.


Yeah that's probably pretty common lol
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SoIidLegacy
07/16/19 7:28:23 PM
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Blood Omen 2 is generally considered the lesser of the Legacy of Kain series, mostly because of the clunky controls and the mediocre story that's kind of clich and nowhere near as profound and intricate as the other games. At least partially because Amy Hennig wasn't at the wheel of making this game.

_Rinku_ posted...
SoIidLegacy posted...
Has anyone found a place where Blood Omen 1 can be (legally) acquired yet? Despite the dated gameplay, it had a high replay value because of all the hidden stuff and bits of additional lore, on top of the excellent mono/dialogues & voice acting, obviously.

Like this scene where Kain & Vorador first meet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yulxYmr7pWk" data-time="


I just love they both come off so arrogant while deeming themselves wiser than each other.

You can buy it as a "PSOne Classic" on the PS3/PSP. Should be able to play it on a Vita too. I've been itching to replay it, but I recall the PS1 version having abysmally long load times.


Ah, good to hear it's still out there. Sadly, I sold my PS3 years ago...
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greatmonkeybaby
07/16/19 7:54:41 PM
#31:


SoIidLegacy posted...
Blood Omen 2 is generally considered the lesser of the Legacy of Kain series, mostly because of the clunky controls and the mediocre story that's kind of clich and nowhere near as profound and intricate as the other games. At least partially because Amy Hennig wasn't at the wheel of making this game.

^ exactly

_Rinku_ posted...
SoIidLegacy posted...
Has anyone found a place where Blood Omen 1 can be (legally) acquired yet? Despite the dated gameplay, it had a high replay value because of all the hidden stuff and bits of additional lore, on top of the excellent mono/dialogues & voice acting, obviously.

Like this scene where Kain & Vorador first meet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yulxYmr7pWk" data-time="


I just love they both come off so arrogant while deeming themselves wiser than each other.

You can buy it as a "PSOne Classic" on the PS3/PSP. Should be able to play it on a Vita too. I've been itching to replay it, but I recall the PS1 version having abysmally long load times.


Ah, good to hear it's still out there. Sadly, I sold my PS3 years ago...


Damn i still have the ps/ps1/ps2/ps3/ps4

Still trying to repair my 1st ps3 because it's fully backwards compatible

But yeah playing ps1 classics on vita is lit
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gguirao
07/17/19 4:12:03 AM
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Raziel.
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greatmonkeybaby
07/18/19 4:16:13 AM
#33:


If it got a new game or got rebooted on these systems it would be too lit

Another thing which is actually better/worse to be a vampire or a wraith?
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_Rinku_
07/18/19 4:26:53 AM
#34:


greatmonkeybaby posted...
If it got a new game or got rebooted on these systems it would be too lit

Another thing which is actually better/worse to be a vampire or a wraith?

What's the disadvantage to being a vampire other than not being able to touch water?
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greatmonkeybaby
07/18/19 4:40:33 AM
#35:


_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
If it got a new game or got rebooted on these systems it would be too lit

Another thing which is actually better/worse to be a vampire or a wraith?

What's the disadvantage to being a vampire other than not being able to touch water?


Are there disadvantages to being a wraith like raziel ?
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_Rinku_
07/18/19 5:29:45 AM
#36:


greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
If it got a new game or got rebooted on these systems it would be too lit

Another thing which is actually better/worse to be a vampire or a wraith?

What's the disadvantage to being a vampire other than not being able to touch water?


Are there disadvantages to being a wraith like raziel ?

No lower jaw, for one.
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Aressar
07/18/19 5:52:47 AM
#37:


_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
If it got a new game or got rebooted on these systems it would be too lit

Another thing which is actually better/worse to be a vampire or a wraith?

What's the disadvantage to being a vampire other than not being able to touch water?


Are there disadvantages to being a wraith like raziel ?

No lower jaw, for one.


Also, being destined/doomed to be fused with the Blood Reaver, despite being the only one who possesses true free will.
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Nazanir
07/18/19 6:05:45 AM
#38:


Aressar posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
If it got a new game or got rebooted on these systems it would be too lit

Another thing which is actually better/worse to be a vampire or a wraith?

What's the disadvantage to being a vampire other than not being able to touch water?


Are there disadvantages to being a wraith like raziel ?

No lower jaw, for one.


Also, being destined/doomed to be fused with the Blood Reaver, despite being the only one who possesses true free will.

History abhors a paradox.
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_Rinku_
07/18/19 7:32:45 PM
#39:


I looked and found out that Blood Omen and Soul Reaver can't be played on a Vita. It makes me sad; I was planning to buy BO (it's under two bucks) and replay it on the Vita instead of digging out my PS1.
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Tyranthraxus
07/18/19 7:36:05 PM
#40:


greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
If it got a new game or got rebooted on these systems it would be too lit

Another thing which is actually better/worse to be a vampire or a wraith?

What's the disadvantage to being a vampire other than not being able to touch water?


Are there disadvantages to being a wraith like raziel ?


Raziel is only able to do what he does because of the Soul Reaver. Without it he's a crippled ghoul that can't use his wings and gets to keep all the vampiric weaknesses.

You can take the Soul Reaver away from Kain and he's still a badass Vampire.
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greatmonkeybaby
07/19/19 6:27:25 PM
#41:


_Rinku_ posted...
I looked and found out that Blood Omen and Soul Reaver can't be played on a Vita. It makes me sad; I was planning to buy BO (it's under two bucks) and replay it on the Vita instead of digging out my PS1.


You mean it's not on the psn store atm or it literally can't be played on the vita like other psone classics can?

Tyranthraxus posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
If it got a new game or got rebooted on these systems it would be too lit

Another thing which is actually better/worse to be a vampire or a wraith?

What's the disadvantage to being a vampire other than not being able to touch water?


Are there disadvantages to being a wraith like raziel ?


Raziel is only able to do what he does because of the Soul Reaver. Without it he's a crippled ghoul that can't use his wings and gets to keep all the vampiric weaknesses.

You can take the Soul Reaver away from Kain and he's still a badass Vampire.


Damn true that at the end of the day i like playing as raziel in game more possibly but thats true
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_Rinku_
07/19/19 10:50:29 PM
#42:


greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
I looked and found out that Blood Omen and Soul Reaver can't be played on a Vita. It makes me sad; I was planning to buy BO (it's under two bucks) and replay it on the Vita instead of digging out my PS1.


You mean it's not on the psn store atm or it literally can't be played on the vita like other psone classics can?

Can't be played on the Vita. It doesn't list compatibility with the Vita and won't show up on its store.
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greatmonkeybaby
07/19/19 11:06:04 PM
#43:


_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
I looked and found out that Blood Omen and Soul Reaver can't be played on a Vita. It makes me sad; I was planning to buy BO (it's under two bucks) and replay it on the Vita instead of digging out my PS1.


You mean it's not on the psn store atm or it literally can't be played on the vita like other psone classics can?

Can't be played on the Vita. It doesn't list compatibility with the Vita and won't show up on its store.


mNWnXFS
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EverDownward
07/19/19 11:09:23 PM
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Raziel, mostly because Soul Reaver was my first Legacy of Kain title and partly because Raziel was such a neat design and the game felt like the most accurate depiction of the gothic aesthetic to that point - even Raziel himself felt like a tragic figure from classic Victorian literature.
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_Rinku_
07/19/19 11:34:10 PM
#45:


greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
I looked and found out that Blood Omen and Soul Reaver can't be played on a Vita. It makes me sad; I was planning to buy BO (it's under two bucks) and replay it on the Vita instead of digging out my PS1.


You mean it's not on the psn store atm or it literally can't be played on the vita like other psone classics can?

Can't be played on the Vita. It doesn't list compatibility with the Vita and won't show up on its store.


mNWnXFS

Lucky; it doesn't show up in the North American store. :(
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_Rinku_
07/20/19 1:19:41 AM
#46:


ovqzwXV

This is how it looks in the NA store. I googled "Blood Omen PS Vita" and this is a known issue.
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greatmonkeybaby
07/20/19 4:00:55 AM
#47:


_Rinku_ posted...
ovqzwXV

This is how it looks in the NA store. I googled "Blood Omen PS Vita" and this is a known issue.


Yeah i looked into it rn that sucks we dont get a NA release, soul reaver 1 is playable it said.

_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
greatmonkeybaby posted...
_Rinku_ posted...
I looked and found out that Blood Omen and Soul Reaver can't be played on a Vita. It makes me sad; I was planning to buy BO (it's under two bucks) and replay it on the Vita instead of digging out my PS1.


You mean it's not on the psn store atm or it literally can't be played on the vita like other psone classics can?

Can't be played on the Vita. It doesn't list compatibility with the Vita and won't show up on its store.


mNWnXFS

Lucky; it doesn't show up in the North American store. :(


Oh well that one wouldn't work for me either if it cant purchased there and played on NA vitas
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greatmonkeybaby
07/20/19 4:01:56 AM
#48:


EverDownward posted...
Raziel, mostly because Soul Reaver was my first Legacy of Kain title and partly because Raziel was such a neat design and the game felt like the most accurate depiction of the gothic aesthetic to that point - even Raziel himself felt like a tragic figure from classic Victorian literature.

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SoIidLegacy
07/20/19 6:09:19 AM
#49:


Man, I sure love scrolling past the same huge-ass screenshot over and over again, just to easily scroll past the one-line reply by mistake and scrolling back up for that.
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greatmonkeybaby
07/20/19 6:51:38 PM
#50:


SoIidLegacy posted...
Man, I sure love scrolling past the same huge-ass screenshot over and over again, just to easily scroll past the one-line reply by mistake and scrolling back up for that.


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