Board 8 > I'm giving up on vesperia

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I just don't care about these characters or anything that's happening and everyone is so goddamn dense aaaa
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That sucks. I really liked Vesperia.
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same here snrikiko i played it once and loved it and now it just feels slow
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maybe my problem is that I'm trying to play judith and not Yuri

meh on to cuphead
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judith is fucking awful to play as until late game

I never was able to play as Judith. Her combos never clicked with me
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she's not fun to play, can't enjoy Patty either

Raven is fun though
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How can you not like Patty? That's as ridiculous as jellyfish in shallow waters.
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thank god, you're the first person i've ever seen who isn't in love with the game

i felt about the same way

I used to love it, but the replay for Definitive was sobbering. Has some issues that didn't bother me as much at the time. It's not just an issue of age, because Abyss just keeps feeling stronger to me.
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Time to move on to Beseria! The best tales game.
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That one character was the most annoying shit in a jrpg ever fuck him whatever his name is Karen or something

Yao posted...

That one character was the most annoying shit in a jrpg ever fuck him whatever his name is Karen or something

You're thinking of Patty.
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Karol is kind of annoying, but nowhere near the worst ever. Plus he's the most knowledgeable and helpful of the group about the guilds and where particular places are and they'd be totally lost without him so at least he pulls his weight.
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Snrkiko posted...

maybe my problem is that I'm trying to play judith and not Yuri

This is definitely it. Vesperia ends up having amazing playable characters by the end but until the last quarter of the game or so Yuri and Patty are the only two who are at all fun to play. Judith is especially atrocious at first but later on she can do shit like this:

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NBIceman posted...

Yao posted...

That one character was the most annoying shit in a jrpg ever fuck him whatever his name is Karen or something

You're thinking of Patty.

Karol is the one I checked

it's been probably about 8 years since i played it but i remember the issue for me was that i didn't feel the party had any chemistry or uniting goal

the whole first half of the game was like "well we're all traveling to <next location> so i guess we'll keep going together" and i didn't feel anything was keeping the party together other than plot convenience

and so it didn't ever feel compelling to me

Yao posted...

NBIceman posted...

Yao posted...

That one character was the most annoying shit in a jrpg ever fuck him whatever his name is Karen or something

You're thinking of Patty.

Karol is the one I checked

I knew who you meant but he can't be the most annoying character ever in a JRPG when Patty exists.
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NBIceman posted...

Yao posted...

NBIceman posted...

Yao posted...

That one character was the most annoying shit in a jrpg ever fuck him whatever his name is Karen or something

You're thinking of Patty.

Karol is the one I checked

I knew who you meant but he can't be the most annoying character ever in a JRPG when Patty exists.

I hated both but something about Karol judt made me want to punch his face everytime he opened his mouth

I dont know how one can hate blahblahblah
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htaeD posted...

I dont know how one can hate blahblahblah

Nobody who matters has ever said they hate Rita. She's the best thing in the game.
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Dels posted...

it's been probably about 8 years since i played it but i remember the issue for me was that i didn't feel the party had any chemistry or uniting goal

the whole first half of the game was like "well we're all traveling to <next location> so i guess we'll keep going together" and i didn't feel anything was keeping the party together other than plot convenience

and so it didn't ever feel compelling to me

this is definitely part of it. none of the people have any reason to be together and even yuri himself is just looking for a glorified plumber at the start lmao
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Hot take: Vesperia only ever got traction because it had the audacity to be an Xbox 360 exclusive JRPG back in the day and that made it special/noteworthy.

Also,

SantaRPidgey posted...

Time to move on to Beseria! The best tales game.

Some of your complaints are directly addressed in Berseria!
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KamikazePotato posted...

Hot take: Vesperia only ever got traction because it had the audacity to be an Xbox 360 exclusive JRPG back in the day and that made it special/noteworthy

I think it's better than that, but it's certainly a factor in it being singled out. It's exactly what happened with Symphonia on the GameCube.
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I mean, I think everything else about the game is good. The presentation, graphics, battle system, design, music, etc, even the character designs and individual personalities. Just, for me, not the story and party dynamic.

though I remember feeling the sound effects were too loud to hear the music in battle

Personally I think the soundtrack is bad, and is actually my biggest sticking point about the game, even moreso than the story.
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KamikazePotato posted...

Personally I think the soundtrack is bad, and is actually my biggest sticking point about the game, even moreso than the story.

There are two good tracks. Not fantastic, but pretty good. The worst thing is that when you first hear, say, the Dahngrest theme, the thought isn't "wow, this is great", it's "wow, was the rest of the OST so unnoticeable that I didn't even realize it wasn't good until this started playing?"
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That reminds me that I need to continue my Vesperia play through
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Ring a bell still the best OP though
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I'll be honest that's the exact track that I've always remembered throughout the years and it made me assume that the rest of the soundtrack was good as well

but maybe it wasn't LOL

ninja'd.

i was referring to the Dahngrest theme but I forgot I actually do love Ring A Bell

Ring a Bell is slick.

Vesperia does have the best graphics in the series though. They nailed the art style and kind of regressed afterwards. And I like all the characters individually (including Karol). Overall though, I think it's a game that's less than the sum of its parts. It doesn't come together as a cohesive whole and doesn't give you a lot of 'momentum' to keep playing through some parts of the game. Doesn't help that Yuri's personal story is easily the best part of the game and it totally fizzles out.
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I didn't finish the game but I remember also being really underwhelmed with the main villain.

And, this may be a little, uh, unfair, because every Tales game is like this, but the plot felt like it was just throwing new keywords at me because "Every Tales game needs a world defined by unique terms and magical phenomenon" and it didn't feel... necessary. It felt like the plot had mechanics more than it had depth? I don't remember though, this was years ago.

I gave up on my second playthrough (first special edition)

yeah, it's just aged terribly. at the time it came out I really enjoyed it.

Dels posted...

I didn't finish the game but I remember also being really underwhelmed with the main villain.

And, this may be a little, uh, unfair, because every Tales game is like this, but the plot felt like it was just throwing new keywords at me because "Every Tales game needs a world defined by unique terms and magical phenomenon" and it didn't feel... necessary. It felt like the plot had mechanics more than it had depth? I don't remember though, this was years ago.

You're not being unfair and also correct that every Tales game does that. Doesn't mean they should get a free pass for it!
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Vesperia is particularly bad about the BS fake terminology, though, even for Tales. There's a minute and a half chunk when the elder Kritya in the floating town is explaining the lore in front of the big wall diarama, and it's just absolute nonsense. It's just one seem, but it really nails down how off the rails this story got in a bad way.
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this is like the only time i've come across any people who didn't love vesperia, and the only time i've been able to say my true feelings without being judged, so i am just like, so grateful right now ;-; i've been holding these feelings in for so long. thank you for making me feel valid.

tales of the abyss for example has tons of mechanical stuff and lore, but it's all related to the idea that the world is run by the, uh, "score" or w/e which tells everyone how their life is gonna go, and the systems around that, and that was really cool because it was a great concept. i don't remember what vesperia's worlds gimmick was but i think it was just about elemental stuff to control water/earth/air or something? and it wasn't as interesting, basically.

Dels posted...

this is like the only time i've come across any people who didn't love vesperia, and the only time i've been able to say my true feelings without being judged, so i am just like, so grateful right now ;-; i've been holding these feelings in for so long. thank you for making me feel valid.

You are safe now my child. Rest easy in this topic
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LapisLazuli posted...

Vesperia is particularly bad about the BS fake terminology, though, even for Tales. There's a minute and a half chunk when the elder Kritya in the floating town is explaining the lore in front of the big wall diarama, and it's just absolute nonsense. It's just one seem, but it really nails down how off the rails this story got in a bad way.

Didn't three different people write the three different parts of Vesperia?

How did anyone think that would be a good idea?
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NBIceman posted...

LapisLazuli posted...

Vesperia is particularly bad about the BS fake terminology, though, even for Tales. There's a minute and a half chunk when the elder Kritya in the floating town is explaining the lore in front of the big wall diarama, and it's just absolute nonsense. It's just one seem, but it really nails down how off the rails this story got in a bad way.

Didn't three different people write the three different parts of Vesperia?

How did anyone think that would be a good idea?

The rumor is that the last, and easily worst, third was handled by Baba, who would then go on to be a blight on Tales until Zesteria.

It's incredibly obvious that the 3 acts of the game are not from one unified writer.
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Vesperia is still one of the top Tales games IMO, but going back to it these days can be really rough. It's the best example of a "bridge game" that I've ever seen. It starts out very much in the Symphonia/Abyss area of gameplay, evolves throughout and comes out the first truly modern Tales game by the end.

Fascinating game and 100% worthy of respect, but at this point I think I'd rather replay almost any game in the series that's come out since. Xillia 2, Graces and Berseria in particular!
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Berseria best.

Bye.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I've never heard bridge game as a term ever. Explain?

I just made it up! I mean it to be a game that serves as a clear point of evolution for its series, moving it cleanly from one era to the next.
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guess I'll be selling this game soon. not even a kos mos costume is enough to make me care enough to play more
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what platform