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Steiner
06/27/19 9:40:05 AM
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or like idk, 3 of you? it's a lot of board 8ers to be going to a new japan show either way
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Lopen
06/27/19 2:21:32 PM
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Plus side about Bischoff and Heyman being the top guys for Raw/SD, I imagine neither one of them would answer to McMahon for long because they probably don't need the work. Like if someone is going to fight him over bad creative I'd trust those two guys to.

Guess we'll see though.
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PrivateBiscuit1
06/27/19 2:30:57 PM
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Tbh, I think both of them are just there for the ridiculous paycheck they're getting for this. I don't feel like they'd fight that hard.
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scarletspeed7
06/27/19 2:36:50 PM
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Again, imagine if you're Triple H, you've been running a relatively hot brand, and you're passed over for the two guys WWE beat so bad that they bought the competition.
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Lopen
06/27/19 2:52:35 PM
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Feel like Bischoff and Heyman are not exactly hurting for money and would have more pride to not have their names linked to some stupid ideas at this point in their careers. Like them compared to random rank and file writers, I definitely see them fighting more. See them fighting more than Triple H too, really.
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PrivateBiscuit1
06/27/19 3:15:05 PM
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See, I disagree entirely.

With the money they're throwing around now, I think they can absolutely swallow their pride if their names are linked to a shitty product that's currently just known as the "Vince is too senile and out of touch" period where they can just have plausible deniability should it still suck.

Beyond that, Bischoff was the one who basically helped tank TNA beyond repair back in the day. He didn't have a reason to get involved then aside from money, so why would he not get involved now just for money?

They might fight more than the other random dinguses they have backstage, but I don't see them fighting enough to make a difference.

Like, I guess we'll wait and see, but I have no optimism about this at all.
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RaidenGarai
06/27/19 3:16:59 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Like, I guess we'll wait and see, but I have no optimism about this at all.


I think this is the right approach. Vince still has the final decision.
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Lopen
06/27/19 3:18:01 PM
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Not saying I expect a complete turnaround or anything, just that I trust this to help more than anything that isn't Vince stepping down outright.
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TheRock1525
06/27/19 3:21:10 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
Beyond that, Bischoff was the one who basically helped tank TNA beyond repair back in the day. He didn't have a reason to get involved then aside from money, so why would he not get involved now just for money?


This is what sticks out with me. Heyman I like. Bischoff not so much.
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Lopen
06/27/19 3:21:53 PM
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Like really the only counterplay to Vince is going to be someone that

1. Is financially okay and doesn't need the job
2. Has some sort of reputation or pride that they don't want linked to the crap WWE has been churning out
3. Doesn't care about offending Vince
4. Isn't also senile and has a decent booking mind

Yeah Vince can pay them out the ears to mitigate the likelihood of them speaking up, but as far as candidates go, I don't see anyone being better.
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Jakyl25
06/27/19 3:35:06 PM
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Where do you get the idea that Bischoff has pride in his creative standards?
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Lopen
06/27/19 3:36:03 PM
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83 weeks
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NBIceman
06/27/19 3:37:16 PM
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I agree that Heyman and Bischoff are going to be more inclined to speak up than Random Creative Member G, but I don't understand why that would make it a "counterplay." He's still not going to listen to them.
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PrivateBiscuit1
06/27/19 3:37:18 PM
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Lopen posted...
83 weeks

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Lopen
06/27/19 3:38:47 PM
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NBIceman posted...
He's still not going to listen to them.


I mean, yeah, probably not. I'm just saying it's the best chance they have short of Vince stepping down.
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scarletspeed7
06/27/19 3:43:40 PM
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Lopen posted...
83 weeks

Can agree. He will own some of his bad ideas nowadays, but he takes a lot of pride in what worked.
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Jakyl25
06/27/19 3:49:09 PM
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I forgot 83 Weeks was popular
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scarletspeed7
06/27/19 3:51:09 PM
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I only listen to sporadic episodes that are about terrible WCW moments to hear Eric defend them.
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Jakyl25
06/27/19 3:52:15 PM
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I think my main point is that Bischoffs name is already linked to worse crap than anything Vince has done
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Jakyl25
06/27/19 3:53:19 PM
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Heymans name too, honestly, but he later redeemed himself
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Lopen
06/27/19 3:54:45 PM
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I mean even since TNA it's been a good while. People can change a lot over like 8 years, especially when they cross over important stages of their life. Definitely feel like at some point Bischoff became enlightened about some things because his general booking theory seems pretty okay in my eyes when he breaks down stuff in 83 weeks, despite the slew of things you could point out about WCW that were done incorrectly.

It's also unclear how much of TNA's creative was actually Bischoff to begin with. You had a lot of cooks working there. And honestly given WWE's sharp decline lately with its higher starting point than TNA I'm not sure it'll look better than TNA tanking for long.

But yeah I listen to most of them because I'm probably the closest thing you'll find to a Bischoff fanboy anywhere.
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TheRock1525
06/27/19 3:57:19 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Heymans name too, honestly, but he later redeemed himself


I mean 90% of Heyman's crap is just not paying people.
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Jakyl25
06/27/19 3:58:11 PM
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I mostly mean 2000 ECW

Unwatchable
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scarletspeed7
06/27/19 4:01:55 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
I mostly mean 2000 ECW

Unwatchable

Hard to pin that TOO much on Heyman. I blame that primarily on talent poaching and his bad business practices.
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PrivateBiscuit1
06/27/19 5:16:54 PM
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Dave and Bryan's take on this is that Heyman is an alright choice, but Bischoff makes no sense mostly because he doesn't follow the product at all and wouldn't know how to appeal to fans now because he's been so removed from it for so long. But they think he's mostly there because Bischoff can talk to execs at FOX well, and potentially because if they fail, he can be a fall guy.

They don't understand, more than anything, why Triple H isn't being put in charge of Smackdown over Bischoff because he's proven to be able to make an entertaining product people like, and they think NXT will be fine even without Trips.
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Lopen
06/27/19 5:18:16 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
because he doesn't follow the product at all and wouldn't know how to appeal to fans now because he's been so removed from it for so long


Isn't this a pro given how off base the current product is.
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HashtagSEP
06/27/19 5:20:17 PM
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Yeah, if anything, him not following the product might make him more likely to just try to wing it based on crowd reactions instead of already being entrenched in what is "supposed" to work
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ScareChan
06/27/19 5:21:25 PM
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Bishoff and heyman?

Its a new old day yes it is
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PrivateBiscuit1
06/27/19 5:29:29 PM
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I think they were more referring to the product as in wrestling as a whole, because they discussed that he doesn't follow any wrestling and doesn't know what appeals to fans nowadays.
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Lopen
06/27/19 5:34:16 PM
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I'm still not thinking it matters unless you figure a Bischoff that avidly watches NJPW is going to come in with inspiration from that that would actually be used.

State of American wrestling is kind of a mess right now. He can watch the few AEW shows that exist, try to figure out what they do that's working, and be on better footing than he would be if he was trying to do anything WWE has been doing, or anything most other lower rung American wrestling promotions are doing at the moment, really.

Honestly I just don't think it matters. Come in with some fresh ideas that aren't rehashes of what you'd previously done (not a given with his track record!) and the less it's like current WWE the better.
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scarletspeed7
06/27/19 5:37:43 PM
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"I have this fresh idea. NWO, but... NOW! Let's get some popular guys too. Finn, AJ. We need a tag team. How about Gallows and Anderson? They can be an invading, exclusive club!"
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Maniac64
06/27/19 6:02:53 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
"I have this fresh idea. NWO, but... NOW! Let's get some popular guys too. Finn, AJ. We need a tag team. How about Gallows and Anderson? They can be an invading, exclusive club!"

You know that would be super over if they did it and actually treated as a legit and dangerous group.

I still cant believe they never really pulled the trigger on a bullet club run.
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Lopen
06/27/19 6:04:26 PM
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You know Maniac is right

Let Bischoff do his old ideas if he isn't doing it with literally the same people like he did in TNA and I don't even care
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Tom Bombadil
06/27/19 6:19:01 PM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
exclusive club!"


"so you're saying we need to bring back the kiss my ass club and induct them"
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NBIceman
06/27/19 8:01:57 PM
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I know there's been a few people in here who've expressed a desire to watch more Ospreay in the last couple days so here's a match from earlier this month that I'm pretty sure was loved by literally everyone who watched it. NJPW match, but English commentary!

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7aciwj
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Jakyl25
06/27/19 8:29:20 PM
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In fact, I will say that it is the Match of the Year thus far
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TheRock1525
06/27/19 11:13:46 PM
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Is it bad I keep waiting for Fyter Fest tickets to drop in price? They seem to still have a decent amount of tickets left and the cheapest ones are getting cheaper.
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TheRock1525
06/28/19 6:12:34 AM
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https://uproxx.com/prowrestling/tommy-dreamer-murder-suicide-wrestlemania-paul-heyman/

Is Tommy Dreamer a known bullshitter or is this probably true?
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Steiner
06/28/19 6:47:05 AM
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i don't think even known bullshitters would bullshit that one
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TheRock1525
06/28/19 7:12:49 AM
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I could see The Ryback saying something like that.
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PrivateBiscuit1
06/28/19 7:26:19 PM
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Good news guys.

They spent all day yesterday in a giant meeting figuring out the script for the next Raw show. Until 4:30 in the morning.

And they've advertised totallt-not-going-to-be-an-on-screen-character Eric Bischoff for Smackdown. But they have not even touched that script yet somehow when everyone was up until 4:30 in the morning.

This remains promising.
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Jakyl25
06/29/19 5:02:50 PM
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The full story behind the Bischoff email is great

The promotional department was given the autonomy to do their own thing without Vinces micromanaging as Vince tries, TRIES, to take some minor steps back

They presume that Bischoff must be an on-screen character because why would you presume otherwise, and sent that out

Vince was furious, and now theres a chance Bischoff WILL be on screen Tuesday because they know theyve been called out for false advertising a lot lately

*Cornette Face*
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Jakyl25
06/29/19 5:04:42 PM
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Stuff like this is just gonna convince Vince that he does need to micromanage EVERYTHING
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scarletspeed7
06/29/19 5:05:06 PM
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That is the best way possible to cause WWE to not change at all despite what appears to be a major overhaul.
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PrivateBiscuit1
06/29/19 5:40:22 PM
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That was a beautiful story.
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TheRock1525
06/29/19 9:18:17 PM
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So mitigating circumstances prevented me from going to Fyter Fest and I am not happy about it.
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Jakyl25
06/29/19 9:31:46 PM
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Are you at least watching it? Its very good!
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TheRock1525
06/29/19 9:35:28 PM
#49:


Did I miss Moxley?
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Steiner
06/29/19 9:36:37 PM
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moxley is the main event
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