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adjl 06/27/19 2:15:48 PM #51:	RoboXgp89 posted... and yes it is a problem 1 murder by 1 illegal means someone didn't do there job Perhaps you should donate some money to help the US border patrol buy a new murderer detector? Since that seems to be what you're implying here. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:923926246] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>and yes it is a problem 1 murder by 1 illegal means someone didn't do there job</quote> Perhaps you should donate some money to help the US border patrol buy a new murderer detector? Since that seems to be what you're implying here.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/27/19 2:17:34 PM #52:	ninja_lootz posted... You're right, there was no reason for them to die. They could have stayed in El Salvador instead of trying to exploit our asylum laws. 80 years ago exactly there was a ship called the MS St. Louis that left Nazi Germany carrying Jewish refugees. They asked to land in Cuba and request asylum. They were denied - they needed permission from the Cuban Secretary of Labour, which they did not receive. They moved on to the United States. Jewish lobbyists pleaded with President Roosevelt to accept the refugees, but his Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, advised against it. The refugees were denied again. They made one final attempt, heading north and reaching Canada. They were denied once more by the Canadian prime minister, William King. They were told that their problems were not the concerns of North Americans and that if they wanted to immigrate, they would have to do it the lawful way like everyone else. They were told to go back to Europe. So they did. A few found asylum in nations that managed not to get overrun by the Germans; most were eventually captured by the Nazis. Approximately a quarter of them died in the death camps. Now known as the "Voyage of the Damned", the incident remains a black mark for all of the countries involved, a shameful reminder of the callous indifference of the governments of the day towards people fleeing suffering and death. If modern events are anything to go by, we haven't learned much from it. CTLM posted... Last time I checked, there's laws and procedures in place to help them out so they can come here and become a contributing member of our country, just like they dreamed about. Laws like asylum laws. Which they were trying to make use of. ninja_lootz posted... There's a billion people on this planet living in horrible poverty. That doesn't give them the right to move here. Those people are frequently fleeing gang violence and death squads. And you are lying to yourself if you think you wouldn't do the same in their position. If I had a wife and kid and their survival rested on me getting into the US? I'm going to the US. And if the US won't have me, fuck you, I'm coming in anyways, legally or not, because the alternative is an early grave for me and/or my family. I would make the attempt and if they sent me back, I would do it again. As many times as it takes until I'm either dead or inside. That is the mindset you're up against. Telling them, "You should just stay in your country," means absolutely nothing to these people and is an utterly vapid statement in the circumstances. You want to solve this issue? Start by providing aid and assistance to those countries and give the people in them opportunities and the ability to live in safety so that they're not so desperate for relief that they attempt a dangerous journey North to the US. Unsurprisingly, since this is the sensible thing to do, Trump has done the complete opposite and slashed foreign aid to the Central American countries whose citizens are coming north. dioxxys posted... what no? It just requires not letting rapists and murderers run free regardless of ethnicity? If it's "regardless of ethnicity", then what do sanctuary laws matter? They would have no bearing on this case. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:923926346] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>ninja_lootz posted...</cite> <quote>You're right, there was no reason for them to die. They could have stayed in El Salvador instead of trying to exploit our asylum laws.</quote> 80 years ago exactly there was a ship called the MS St. Louis that left Nazi Germany carrying Jewish refugees. They asked to land in Cuba and request asylum. They were denied - they needed permission from the Cuban Secretary of Labour, which they did not receive. They moved on to the United States. Jewish lobbyists pleaded with President Roosevelt to accept the refugees, but his Secretary of State, Cordell Hull, advised against it. The refugees were denied again. They made one final attempt, heading north and reaching Canada. They were denied once more by the Canadian prime minister, William King. They were told that their problems were not the concerns of North Americans and that if they wanted to immigrate, they would have to do it the lawful way like everyone else. They were told to go back to Europe. So they did. A few found asylum in nations that managed not to get overrun by the Germans; most were eventually captured by the Nazis. Approximately a quarter of them died in the death camps. Now known as the "Voyage of the Damned", the incident remains a black mark for all of the countries involved, a shameful reminder of the callous indifference of the governments of the day towards people fleeing suffering and death. If modern events are anything to go by, we haven't learned much from it. <cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>Last time I checked, there's laws and procedures in place to help them out so they can come here and become a contributing member of our country, just like they dreamed about. </quote> Laws like asylum laws. Which they were trying to make use of. <cite>ninja_lootz posted...</cite> <quote>There's a billion people on this planet living in horrible poverty. That doesn't give them the right to move here. </quote> Those people are frequently fleeing gang violence and death squads. And you are lying to yourself if you think you wouldn't do the same in their position. If I had a wife and kid and their survival rested on me getting into the US? I'm going to the US. And if the US won't have me, fuck you, I'm coming in anyways, legally or not, because the alternative is an early grave for me and/or my family. I would make the attempt and if they sent me back, I would do it again. As many times as it takes until I'm either dead or inside. That is the mindset you're up against. Telling them, "You should just stay in your country," means absolutely nothing to these people and is an utterly vapid statement in the circumstances. You want to solve this issue? Start by providing aid and assistance to those countries and give the people in them opportunities and the ability to live in safety so that they're not so desperate for relief that they attempt a dangerous journey North to the US. Unsurprisingly, since this is the sensible thing to do, Trump has done the complete opposite and slashed foreign aid to the Central American countries whose citizens are coming north. <cite>dioxxys posted...</cite> <quote>what no? It just requires not letting rapists and murderers run free regardless of ethnicity?</quote> If it's "regardless of ethnicity", then what do sanctuary laws matter? They would have no bearing on this case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 06/27/19 2:19:23 PM #53:	adjl posted... RoboXgp89 posted... and yes it is a problem 1 murder by 1 illegal means someone didn't do there job Perhaps you should donate some money to help the US border patrol buy a new murderer detector? Since that seems to be what you're implying here. I feel like I understood what he was trying to imply, but it was so bizarre and silly I just didn't want to think too hard about it. <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:923926418] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>and yes it is a problem 1 murder by 1 illegal means someone didn't do there job</quote> Perhaps you should donate some money to help the US border patrol buy a new murderer detector? Since that seems to be what you're implying here.</quote> I feel like I understood what he was trying to imply, but it was so bizarre and silly I just didn't want to think too hard about it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 06/27/19 2:20:27 PM #54:	good it's not like we'll see that money ever again hey heres another good idea don't let in undocumented people and don't sell them guns --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:923926466] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote>good it's not like we'll see that money ever again hey heres another good idea don't let in undocumented people and don't sell them guns</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 06/27/19 2:22:02 PM #55:	Ya know if youre so entrenched in your views that you literally cant feel any sympathy for a man and his toddler daughter who drowned trying to realize the American Dream, you may want to consider tapping your foot on the brakes and really consider your position --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:923926525] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote>Ya know if youre so entrenched in your views that you literally cant feel any sympathy for a man and his toddler daughter who drowned trying to realize the American Dream, you may want to consider tapping your foot on the brakes and really consider your position</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/27/19 2:25:44 PM #56:	RoboXgp89 posted... and I would bring up numbers about jobs if they weren't so gigantic illegals make up 10-25% of the population in a lot of states Citation required. (Current citations given: 0) RoboXgp89 posted... they don't create jobs, lets be honest with ourselves they are a net loss on the economy Incorrect, with actual citation: https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/ tl;dr version - most illegal immigrants still pay state and federal income tax (along with "indirectly" paying taxes, like sales tax), which helps pay for a variety of services (like social security) that they cannot use due to their lack of legal status. As such, illegal immigrants are net payers into the US economy (and legal immigrants, particularly second generation onward, are some of the strongest payers out of all demographics). If every illegal immigrant self-deported tomorrow, the US would actually lose money on the deal. RoboXgp89 posted... no fancy skills, no military service overseas and you guys want to give them welfare, social security and all Nice straw man. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:923926712] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>and I would bring up numbers about jobs if they weren't so gigantic illegals make up 10-25% of the population in a lot of states </quote> Citation required. (Current citations given: 0) <cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>they don't create jobs, lets be honest with ourselves they are a net loss on the economy </quote> Incorrect, with actual citation: https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/ tl;dr version - most illegal immigrants still pay state and federal income tax (along with "indirectly" paying taxes, like sales tax), which helps pay for a variety of services (like social security) that they cannot use due to their lack of legal status. As such, illegal immigrants are net payers into the US economy (and legal immigrants, particularly second generation onward, are some of the strongest payers out of all demographics). If every illegal immigrant self-deported tomorrow, the US would actually lose money on the deal. <cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>no fancy skills, no military service overseas and you guys want to give them welfare, social security and all </quote> Nice straw man.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BlackScythe0 06/27/19 2:29:21 PM #57:	darkknight109 posted... RoboXgp89 posted... and I would bring up numbers about jobs if they weren't so gigantic illegals make up 10-25% of the population in a lot of states Citation required. (Current citations given: 0) RoboXgp89 posted... they don't create jobs, lets be honest with ourselves they are a net loss on the economy Incorrect, with actual citation: https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/ tl;dr version - most illegal immigrants still pay state and federal income tax (along with "indirectly" paying taxes, like sales tax), which helps pay for a variety of services (like social security) that they cannot use due to their lack of legal status. As such, illegal immigrants are net payers into the US economy (and legal immigrants, particularly second generation onward, are some of the strongest payers out of all demographics). If every illegal immigrant self-deported tomorrow, the US would actually lose money on the deal. RoboXgp89 posted... no fancy skills, no military service overseas and you guys want to give them welfare, social security and all Nice straw man. Oh god. How did I not read on to see this hilarious nonsense? Does he really think that stuff? <cite>BlackScythe0 posted [p:923926882] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>and I would bring up numbers about jobs if they weren't so gigantic illegals make up 10-25% of the population in a lot of states </quote> Citation required. (Current citations given: 0) <cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>they don't create jobs, lets be honest with ourselves they are a net loss on the economy </quote> Incorrect, with actual citation: https://www.nap.edu/catalog/23550/the-economic-and-fiscal-consequences-of-immigration https://bipartisanpolicy.org/blog/how-do-undocumented-immigrants-pay-federal-taxes-an-explainer/ tl;dr version - most illegal immigrants still pay state and federal income tax (along with "indirectly" paying taxes, like sales tax), which helps pay for a variety of services (like social security) that they cannot use due to their lack of legal status. As such, illegal immigrants are net payers into the US economy (and legal immigrants, particularly second generation onward, are some of the strongest payers out of all demographics). If every illegal immigrant self-deported tomorrow, the US would actually lose money on the deal. <cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>no fancy skills, no military service overseas and you guys want to give them welfare, social security and all </quote> Nice straw man.</quote> Oh god. How did I not read on to see this hilarious nonsense? Does he really think that stuff?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Peterass 06/27/19 2:29:34 PM #58:	Come in legally, contribute to society, or face the consequences. No one should be allowed in unchecked. Doesn't matter what race, religion, or region you come from. The US is a country of laws and is not a free for all. --- Everything is awesome <cite>Peterass posted [p:923926897] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote>Come in legally, contribute to society, or face the consequences. No one should be allowed in unchecked. Doesn't matter what race, religion, or region you come from. The US is a country of laws and is not a free for all.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 06/27/19 2:30:56 PM #59:	yeah ok then when trump suggest we bus them to your city the dem's all freak out, screaming racist and throw their hands up saying they're full I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever, my ancestors came here legally from a famine, not a shitty neighborhood --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:923926961] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote>yeah ok then when trump suggest we bus them to your city the dem's all freak out, screaming racist and throw their hands up saying they're full I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever, my ancestors came here legally from a famine, not a shitty neighborhood</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lirishae 06/27/19 2:39:32 PM #60:	Peterass posted... Come in legally, contribute to society, or face the consequences. No one should be allowed in unchecked. Doesn't matter what race, religion, or region you come from. The US is a country of laws and is not a free for all. Coming to the US to seek asylum is 100% legal. Trump is the one breaking the laws here, such as violating the Flores settlement and denying detainees due process. RoboXgp89 posted... I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever Is there anyone you feel sympathy for? --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155 <cite>Lirishae posted [p:923927367] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>Peterass posted...</cite> <quote>Come in legally, contribute to society, or face the consequences. No one should be allowed in unchecked. Doesn't matter what race, religion, or region you come from. The US is a country of laws and is not a free for all.</quote> Coming to the US to seek asylum is 100% legal. Trump is the one breaking the laws here, such as violating the Flores settlement and denying detainees due process. <cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever</quote> Is there anyone you feel sympathy for?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboXgp89 06/27/19 2:47:08 PM #61:	Lirishae posted... Peterass posted... Come in legally, contribute to society, or face the consequences. No one should be allowed in unchecked. Doesn't matter what race, religion, or region you come from. The US is a country of laws and is not a free for all. Coming to the US to seek asylum is 100% legal. Trump is the one breaking the laws here, such as violating the Flores settlement and denying detainees due process. RoboXgp89 posted... I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever Is there anyone you feel sympathy for? I felt sympathy for a baby bird my cat was 2 seconds away from murdering yestarday --- You haven't set a signature for the message boards yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WErq2CBYTU <cite>RoboXgp89 posted [p:923927729] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peterass posted...</cite> <quote>Come in legally, contribute to society, or face the consequences. No one should be allowed in unchecked. Doesn't matter what race, religion, or region you come from. The US is a country of laws and is not a free for all.</quote> Coming to the US to seek asylum is 100% legal. Trump is the one breaking the laws here, such as violating the Flores settlement and denying detainees due process. <cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever</quote> Is there anyone you feel sympathy for?</quote> I felt sympathy for a baby bird my cat was 2 seconds away from murdering yestarday</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 06/27/19 2:48:01 PM #62:	RoboXgp89 posted... Lirishae posted... Peterass posted... Come in legally, contribute to society, or face the consequences. No one should be allowed in unchecked. Doesn't matter what race, religion, or region you come from. The US is a country of laws and is not a free for all. Coming to the US to seek asylum is 100% legal. Trump is the one breaking the laws here, such as violating the Flores settlement and denying detainees due process. RoboXgp89 posted... I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever Is there anyone you feel sympathy for? I felt sympathy for a baby bird my cat was 2 seconds away from murdering yestarday That baby bird did nothing to deserve the benefits of this country It should have hatched legally --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:923927777] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Peterass posted...</cite> <quote>Come in legally, contribute to society, or face the consequences. No one should be allowed in unchecked. Doesn't matter what race, religion, or region you come from. The US is a country of laws and is not a free for all.</quote> Coming to the US to seek asylum is 100% legal. Trump is the one breaking the laws here, such as violating the Flores settlement and denying detainees due process. <cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>I feel no sympathy for them whatsoever</quote> Is there anyone you feel sympathy for?</quote> I felt sympathy for a baby bird my cat was 2 seconds away from murdering yestarday</quote> That baby bird did nothing to deserve the benefits of this country It should have hatched legally</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
adjl 06/27/19 2:48:30 PM #63:	RoboXgp89 posted... yeah ok then when trump suggest we bus them to your city the dem's all freak out, screaming racist and throw their hands up saying they're full Most cities lack the infrastructure to deal with the entire country's immigrants all at once. The US is rather large, with an immigration rate to match. Dumping all of that on one city is obviously not going to be a viable option. RoboXgp89 posted... my ancestors came here legally from a famine, not a s*ty neighborhood Most famines are a consequence of poor infrastructure and/or governing, so one could very easily argue they did come from a bad neighbourhood. --- This is my signature. It exists to keep people from skipping the last line of my posts. <cite>adjl posted [p:923927794] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>yeah ok then when trump suggest we bus them to your city the dem's all freak out, screaming racist and throw their hands up saying they're full</quote> Most cities lack the infrastructure to deal with the entire country's immigrants all at once. The US is rather large, with an immigration rate to match. Dumping all of that on one city is obviously not going to be a viable option. <cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>my ancestors came here legally from a famine, not a s*ty neighborhood</quote> Most famines are a consequence of poor infrastructure and/or governing, so one could very easily argue they did come from a bad neighbourhood.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lirishae 06/27/19 3:06:48 PM #64:	RoboXgp89 posted... I felt sympathy for a baby bird my cat was 2 seconds away from murdering yestarday Why does that bird get your sympathy, but not human beings? --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155 <cite>Lirishae posted [p:923928641] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote> I felt sympathy for a baby bird my cat was 2 seconds away from murdering yestarday</quote> Why does that bird get your sympathy, but not human beings?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 06/27/19 3:07:15 PM #65:	Lirishae posted... RoboXgp89 posted... I felt sympathy for a baby bird my cat was 2 seconds away from murdering yestarday Why does that bird get your sympathy, but not human beings? It probably wasnt a brown bird --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:923928672] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote> I felt sympathy for a baby bird my cat was 2 seconds away from murdering yestarday</quote> Why does that bird get your sympathy, but not human beings?</quote> It probably wasnt a brown bird</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CTLM 06/27/19 3:27:50 PM #66:	Last time I checked, there's laws and procedures in place to help them out so they can come here and become a contributing member of our country, just like they dreamed about. Laws like asylum laws. Which they were trying to make use of. If they were, they wouldn't have drowned in a river. They would have used proper means. Not trying to cross a river known to be dangerous Mead posted... My family earned their right to come here. First one here fought for the North, rest came over in 1892. There was no forcing their way in. No invasion. You wanted in? You did it THEIR way, even back then Well gosh you should probably contact the family of that dead little girl and let them know what a piece of shit you think she and her dad were compared to your family Don't need to tell their family anything. And it's not "I'm better than them" type of argument. It's called "my family came here the legal way" argument so no one had to fish their body out of a river. <cite>CTLM posted [p:923929577] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><quote>Last time I checked, there's laws and procedures in place to help them out so they can come here and become a contributing member of our country, just like they dreamed about. Laws like asylum laws. Which they were trying to make use of.</quote> If they were, they wouldn't have drowned in a river. They would have used proper means. Not trying to cross a river known to be dangerous <cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><quote>My family earned their right to come here. First one here fought for the North, rest came over in 1892. There was no forcing their way in. No invasion. You wanted in? You did it THEIR way, even back then</quote> Well gosh you should probably contact the family of that dead little girl and let them know what a piece of shit you think she and her dad were compared to your family</quote> Don't need to tell their family anything. And it's not "I'm better than them" type of argument. It's called "my family came here the legal way" argument so no one had to fish their body out of a river.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 06/27/19 3:33:23 PM #67:	What part of they had secured a humanitarian visa but were kept in a detention camp for months anyways doesnt compute for you? The fact that despite that you still see them as criminals really says a lot about what kind of person you are Youre gloating about something your family did long before you were born even though there were no immigration laws back then because they really go against what this country is all about --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:923929835] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote>What part of they had secured a humanitarian visa but were kept in a detention camp for months anyways doesnt compute for you? The fact that despite that you still see them as criminals really says a lot about what kind of person you are Youre gloating about something your family did long before you were born even though there were no immigration laws back then because they really go against what this country is all about</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CTLM 06/27/19 3:52:20 PM #68:	Mead posted... What part of they had secured a humanitarian visa but were kept in a detention camp for months anyways doesnt compute for you? The fact that despite that you still see them as criminals really says a lot about what kind of person you are Youre gloating about something your family did long before you were born even though there were no immigration laws back then because they really go against what this country is all about Then wait. If you have a humanitarian visa, you know you're going to be released. You made this long journey to the place you wanted to be, your time will come. They became a victim of their own circumstance and the other people who are trying to illegally invade our country. Less of them means more people who have their visas can get in No, it doesn't go against what our country is about. Am I gloating? Possibly. I'm happy that my family came on a boat, was allowed in and settled down in Pennsylvania next to a farming community. I'm proud that my family has fought in every major war/conflict. Our country is/was about many things. You can view it as the melting pot. You can believe what it says on the Statue of Liberty of giving us the tired and poor... Me? There's a wall in place. Has been for years and will be for more. There's laws to follow. Way too many rights for those who are here illegally. The border isn't open to everyone. People want in? There are legal ways to earn your citizenship. Our own country should always come first <cite>CTLM posted [p:923930726] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>What part of they had secured a humanitarian visa but were kept in a detention camp for months anyways doesnt compute for you? The fact that despite that you still see them as criminals really says a lot about what kind of person you are Youre gloating about something your family did long before you were born even though there were no immigration laws back then because they really go against what this country is all about</quote> Then wait. If you have a humanitarian visa, you know you're going to be released. You made this long journey to the place you wanted to be, your time will come. They became a victim of their own circumstance and the other people who are trying to illegally invade our country. Less of them means more people who have their visas can get in No, it doesn't go against what our country is about. Am I gloating? Possibly. I'm happy that my family came on a boat, was allowed in and settled down in Pennsylvania next to a farming community. I'm proud that my family has fought in every major war/conflict. Our country is/was about many things. You can view it as the melting pot. You can believe what it says on the Statue of Liberty of giving us the tired and poor... Me? There's a wall in place. Has been for years and will be for more. There's laws to follow. Way too many rights for those who are here illegally. The border isn't open to everyone. People want in? There are legal ways to earn your citizenship. Our own country should always come first</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lirishae 06/27/19 4:04:40 PM #69:	CTLM posted... I'm happy that my family came on a boat, was allowed in and settled down in Pennsylvania next to a farming community. Let me try to get this through to you. Do you really, HONESTLY think that people would leave everything they've ever known, and make a potentially lethal trek through the desert with their small children, to a country where the president and many politicians & people openly despise them, if they had ANY other choice? They're coming here to seek asylum (which is totally legal btw) after WE screwed up their countries. If your family had came here today, they would have been turned back to starve to death and you would be singing one very different tune. But screw everyone else who didn't win the birth lottery like you did, am I right? Let's find excuses like "we just want them to do it legally" to blame the victim, so we don't have to feel empathy for them. I really hope you're not "pro-life" or think "all lives matter" or "all life is a sacred gift from God," because if you do and you can turn a blind eye to abject misery and dirty, hungry kids in cages you are a flaming hypocrite. --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155 <cite>Lirishae posted [p:923931219] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote> I'm happy that my family came on a boat, was allowed in and settled down in Pennsylvania next to a farming community.</quote> Let me try to get this through to you. Do you really, HONESTLY think that people would leave everything they've ever known, and make a potentially lethal trek through the desert with their small children, to a country where the president and many politicians & people openly despise them, if they had ANY other choice? They're coming here to seek asylum (which is totally legal btw) after WE screwed up their countries. If your family had came here today, they would have been turned back to starve to death and you would be singing one very different tune. But screw everyone else who didn't win the birth lottery like you did, am I right? Let's find excuses like "we just want them to do it legally" to blame the victim, so we don't have to feel empathy for them. I really hope you're not "pro-life" or think "all lives matter" or "all life is a sacred gift from God," because if you do and you can turn a blind eye to abject misery and dirty, hungry kids in cages you are a flaming hypocrite.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 06/27/19 4:11:47 PM #70:	CTLM posted... Mead posted... What part of they had secured a humanitarian visa but were kept in a detention camp for months anyways doesnt compute for you? The fact that despite that you still see them as criminals really says a lot about what kind of person you are Youre gloating about something your family did long before you were born even though there were no immigration laws back then because they really go against what this country is all about Then wait. If you have a humanitarian visa, you know you're going to be released. You made this long journey to the place you wanted to be, your time will come. They became a victim of their own circumstance and the other people who are trying to illegally invade our country. Less of them means more people who have their visas can get in No, it doesn't go against what our country is about. Am I gloating? Possibly. I'm happy that my family came on a boat, was allowed in and settled down in Pennsylvania next to a farming community. I'm proud that my family has fought in every major war/conflict. Our country is/was about many things. You can view it as the melting pot. You can believe what it says on the Statue of Liberty of giving us the tired and poor... Me? There's a wall in place. Has been for years and will be for more. There's laws to follow. Way too many rights for those who are here illegally. The border isn't open to everyone. People want in? There are legal ways to earn your citizenship. Our own country should always come first Thats a lot of mental gymnastics to try and justify disregarding basic humanity --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:923931539] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>What part of they had secured a humanitarian visa but were kept in a detention camp for months anyways doesnt compute for you? The fact that despite that you still see them as criminals really says a lot about what kind of person you are Youre gloating about something your family did long before you were born even though there were no immigration laws back then because they really go against what this country is all about</quote> Then wait. If you have a humanitarian visa, you know you're going to be released. You made this long journey to the place you wanted to be, your time will come. They became a victim of their own circumstance and the other people who are trying to illegally invade our country. Less of them means more people who have their visas can get in No, it doesn't go against what our country is about. Am I gloating? Possibly. I'm happy that my family came on a boat, was allowed in and settled down in Pennsylvania next to a farming community. I'm proud that my family has fought in every major war/conflict. Our country is/was about many things. You can view it as the melting pot. You can believe what it says on the Statue of Liberty of giving us the tired and poor... Me? There's a wall in place. Has been for years and will be for more. There's laws to follow. Way too many rights for those who are here illegally. The border isn't open to everyone. People want in? There are legal ways to earn your citizenship. Our own country should always come first</quote> Thats a lot of mental gymnastics to try and justify disregarding basic humanity</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CTLM 06/27/19 4:27:55 PM #71:	Lirishae posted... CTLM posted... I'm happy that my family came on a boat, was allowed in and settled down in Pennsylvania next to a farming community. Let me try to get this through to you. Do you really, HONESTLY think that people would leave everything they've ever known, and make a potentially lethal trek through the desert with their small children, to a country where the president and many politicians & people openly despise them, if they had ANY other choice? They're coming here to seek asylum (which is totally legal btw) after WE screwed up their countries. If your family had came here today, they would have been turned back to starve to death and you would be singing one very different tune. But screw everyone else who didn't win the birth lottery like you did, am I right? Let's find excuses like "we just want them to do it legally" to blame the victim, so we don't have to feel empathy for them. I really hope you're not "pro-life" or think "all lives matter" or "all life is a sacred gift from God," because if you do and you can turn a blind eye to abject misery and dirty, hungry kids in cages you are a flaming hypocrite. I'm not a hypocrite. I don't say one thing and do another. And jokes on you: just had a family member come here. They did it legally though. It's simple: Come here legally or don't here at all. You chose to come here? Do it the RIGHT way. You need asylum so bad, pick another country while you wait your turn. Damn right I can turn a blind eye to suffering. Why? America first. Let's solve our own problems before we try to solve someone else's shit. Pro choice. Don't believe in god. I hunt. Not a member of NRA. <cite>CTLM posted [p:923932295] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote> I'm happy that my family came on a boat, was allowed in and settled down in Pennsylvania next to a farming community.</quote> Let me try to get this through to you. Do you really, HONESTLY think that people would leave everything they've ever known, and make a potentially lethal trek through the desert with their small children, to a country where the president and many politicians & people openly despise them, if they had ANY other choice? They're coming here to seek asylum (which is totally legal btw) after WE screwed up their countries. If your family had came here today, they would have been turned back to starve to death and you would be singing one very different tune. But screw everyone else who didn't win the birth lottery like you did, am I right? Let's find excuses like "we just want them to do it legally" to blame the victim, so we don't have to feel empathy for them. I really hope you're not "pro-life" or think "all lives matter" or "all life is a sacred gift from God," because if you do and you can turn a blind eye to abject misery and dirty, hungry kids in cages you are a flaming hypocrite.</quote> I'm not a hypocrite. I don't say one thing and do another. And jokes on you: just had a family member come here. They did it legally though. It's simple: Come here legally or don't here at all. You chose to come here? Do it the RIGHT way. You need asylum so bad, pick another country while you wait your turn. Damn right I can turn a blind eye to suffering. Why? America first. Let's solve our own problems before we try to solve someone else's shit. Pro choice. Don't believe in god. I hunt. Not a member of NRA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lirishae 06/27/19 4:39:20 PM #72:	CTLM posted... It's simple: Come here legally or don't here at all. You chose to come here? Do it the RIGHT way. You need asylum so bad, pick another country while you wait your turn. Damn right I can turn a blind eye to suffering. Why? America first. So you're the child of immigrants who would have died had they not immigrated to the US, but now that you've got yours, you think everyone else should just stay in their countries and die. What would you do if YOU were starving to death, and the only way you could live was to go seek asylum in another country? --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155 <cite>Lirishae posted [p:923932860] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>It's simple: Come here legally or don't here at all. You chose to come here? Do it the RIGHT way. You need asylum so bad, pick another country while you wait your turn. Damn right I can turn a blind eye to suffering. Why? America first.</quote> So you're the child of immigrants who would have died had they not immigrated to the US, but now that you've got yours, you think everyone else should just stay in their countries and die. What would you do if YOU were starving to death, and the only way you could live was to go seek asylum in another country?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CTLM 06/27/19 4:45:35 PM #73:	Lirishae posted... CTLM posted... It's simple: Come here legally or don't here at all. You chose to come here? Do it the RIGHT way. You need asylum so bad, pick another country while you wait your turn. Damn right I can turn a blind eye to suffering. Why? America first. So you're the child of immigrants who would have died had they not immigrated to the US, but now that you've got yours, you think everyone else should just stay in their countries and die. What would you do if YOU were starving to death, and the only way you could live was to go seek asylum in another country? Who knows if they would have starved to death? Far as I could tell, the country had done just fine for itself other than a tendency to lose world wars. They came here because they wanted to and because it was AMERICA! Land of opportunity! I'm starving to death? I'm going to find the nearest place with food. I'm not travelling thousands of miles on foot. And then when I find it, I'm not leaving unless I have to <cite>CTLM posted [p:923933188] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>It's simple: Come here legally or don't here at all. You chose to come here? Do it the RIGHT way. You need asylum so bad, pick another country while you wait your turn. Damn right I can turn a blind eye to suffering. Why? America first.</quote> So you're the child of immigrants who would have died had they not immigrated to the US, but now that you've got yours, you think everyone else should just stay in their countries and die. What would you do if YOU were starving to death, and the only way you could live was to go seek asylum in another country?</quote> Who knows if they would have starved to death? Far as I could tell, the country had done just fine for itself other than a tendency to lose world wars. They came here because they wanted to and because it was AMERICA! Land of opportunity! I'm starving to death? I'm going to find the nearest place with food. I'm not travelling thousands of miles on foot. And then when I find it, I'm not leaving unless I have to</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Lirishae 06/27/19 4:47:27 PM #74:	CTLM posted... I'm starving to death? I'm going to find the nearest place with food. I'm not travelling thousands of miles on foot. And then when I find it, I'm not leaving unless I have to What if you have no money because there's no jobs? Would you steal that food? --- "Little scratches on people's hearts will be gone if they pat them from behind, but the humans don't know that." -Li'l Cactus 3DS FC: 0619-3174-3155 <cite>Lirishae posted [p:923933282] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>I'm starving to death? I'm going to find the nearest place with food. I'm not travelling thousands of miles on foot. And then when I find it, I'm not leaving unless I have to</quote> What if you have no money because there's no jobs? Would you steal that food?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 06/27/19 5:14:30 PM #75:	Lirishae posted... CTLM posted... I'm starving to death? I'm going to find the nearest place with food. I'm not travelling thousands of miles on foot. And then when I find it, I'm not leaving unless I have to What if you have no money because there's no jobs? Would you steal that food? He would make a job out of his bootstraps --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:923934482] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lirishae posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>I'm starving to death? I'm going to find the nearest place with food. I'm not travelling thousands of miles on foot. And then when I find it, I'm not leaving unless I have to</quote> What if you have no money because there's no jobs? Would you steal that food?</quote> He would make a job out of his bootstraps</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/27/19 5:20:01 PM #76:	RoboXgp89 posted... yeah ok then when trump suggest we bus them to your city the dem's all freak out, screaming racist and throw their hands up saying they're full Wrong again. When Trump suggested doing that, the people who freaked out were his own officials, suggesting that what he was doing was both staggeringly illegal and had terrible optics. The Dems in those city? They were actually pretty cool with it. Here's the mayor of Oakland saying that all would be welcome in her city. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/13/oakland_mayor_on_trump_sanctuary_city_plan_all_are_welcome_immigrants_make_a_safer_city.html And here's the mayor of Seattle saying pretty much the same thing: https://time.com/5570144/seattle-sanctuary-city-immigrants/ You know, I'll actually be impressed when you manage to get something right in this thread. I figure the law of averages means it'll happen sooner or later, even if it's by accident. CTLM posted... If they were, they wouldn't have drowned in a river. They would have used proper means. Not trying to cross a river known to be dangerous They attempted to. Trump's "metering system" - which is currently under court challenge for it's (to put it lightly) dubious legality, prevented them from crossing, because now most crossings only process 10-30 asylum claims a day. Hell, it's bad enough that today union representing US Asylum Workers asked a court to rule Trump's immigration and asylum policies invalid, because they are "fundamentally contrary to the moral fabric of our Nation and our international and domestic legal obligations." Again, they were trying to follow the rules, but the system failed them, mostly because the guy charged with running it is deliberately trying to sabotage it to the point it no longer functions. CTLM posted... There's laws to follow. Way too many rights for those who are here illegally. The border isn't open to everyone. People want in? There are legal ways to earn your citizenship. Our own country should always come first Shall I assume that you think that the USA was right to turn away the MS St. Louis 80 years ago and send the Jewish refugees back to Nazi Germany? Just asking. Because people back then were saying pretty much the same thing you are now. CTLM posted... Damn right I can turn a blind eye to suffering. Why? America first. Let's solve our own problems before we try to solve someone else's shit. This is all kinds of hilarious (and borderline sociopathic, but that's a different story). Why? Because it is your problem, Skippy. These people have made it your problem. You can choose to address it or choose to leave it alone, but you can't just plug your ears and say, "It's not my problem, go away and deal with it yourselves!". Because they won't and it's completely unreasonable to expect them to. Improve their conditions back home so they don't come, or improve the US's ability to absorb them as they arrive. Those are basically your only options at this point, because the shit you're trying now sure as hell isn't working. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:923934720] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>yeah ok then when trump suggest we bus them to your city the dem's all freak out, screaming racist and throw their hands up saying they're full</quote> Wrong again. When Trump suggested doing that, the people who freaked out were his own officials, suggesting that what he was doing was both staggeringly illegal and had terrible optics. The Dems in those city? They were actually pretty cool with it. Here's the mayor of Oakland saying that all would be welcome in her city. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/13/oakland_mayor_on_trump_sanctuary_city_plan_all_are_welcome_immigrants_make_a_safer_city.html And here's the mayor of Seattle saying pretty much the same thing: https://time.com/5570144/seattle-sanctuary-city-immigrants/ You know, I'll actually be impressed when you manage to get something right in this thread. I figure the law of averages means it'll happen sooner or later, even if it's by accident. <cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>If they were, they wouldn't have drowned in a river. They would have used proper means. Not trying to cross a river known to be dangerous </quote> They attempted to. Trump's "metering system" - which is currently under court challenge for it's (to put it lightly) dubious legality, prevented them from crossing, because now most crossings only process 10-30 asylum claims a day. Hell, it's bad enough that today union representing US Asylum Workers asked a court to rule Trump's immigration and asylum policies invalid, because they are "fundamentally contrary to the moral fabric of our Nation and our international and domestic legal obligations." Again, they were trying to follow the rules, but the system failed them, mostly because the guy charged with running it is deliberately trying to sabotage it to the point it no longer functions. <cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>There's laws to follow. Way too many rights for those who are here illegally. The border isn't open to everyone. People want in? There are legal ways to earn your citizenship. Our own country should always come first </quote> Shall I assume that you think that the USA was right to turn away the MS St. Louis 80 years ago and send the Jewish refugees back to Nazi Germany? Just asking. Because people back then were saying pretty much the same thing you are now. <cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>Damn right I can turn a blind eye to suffering. Why? America first. Let's solve our own problems before we try to solve someone else's shit. </quote> This is all kinds of hilarious (and borderline sociopathic, but that's a different story). Why? Because it is your problem, Skippy. These people have made it your problem. You can choose to address it or choose to leave it alone, but you can't just plug your ears and say, "It's not my problem, go away and deal with it yourselves!". Because they won't and it's completely unreasonable to expect them to. Improve their conditions back home so they don't come, or improve the US's ability to absorb them as they arrive. Those are basically your only options at this point, because the shit you're trying now sure as hell isn't working.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CTLM 06/27/19 5:51:46 PM #77:	darkknight109 posted... RoboXgp89 posted... yeah ok then when trump suggest we bus them to your city the dem's all freak out, screaming racist and throw their hands up saying they're full Wrong again. When Trump suggested doing that, the people who freaked out were his own officials, suggesting that what he was doing was both staggeringly illegal and had terrible optics. The Dems in those city? They were actually pretty cool with it. Here's the mayor of Oakland saying that all would be welcome in her city. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/13/oakland_mayor_on_trump_sanctuary_city_plan_all_are_welcome_immigrants_make_a_safer_city.html And here's the mayor of Seattle saying pretty much the same thing: https://time.com/5570144/seattle-sanctuary-city-immigrants/ You know, I'll actually be impressed when you manage to get something right in this thread. I figure the law of averages means it'll happen sooner or later, even if it's by accident. CTLM posted... If they were, they wouldn't have drowned in a river. They would have used proper means. Not trying to cross a river known to be dangerous They attempted to. Trump's "metering system" - which is currently under court challenge for it's (to put it lightly) dubious legality, prevented them from crossing, because now most crossings only process 10-30 asylum claims a day. Hell, it's bad enough that today union representing US Asylum Workers asked a court to rule Trump's immigration and asylum policies invalid, because they are "fundamentally contrary to the moral fabric of our Nation and our international and domestic legal obligations." Again, they were trying to follow the rules, but the system failed them, mostly because the guy charged with running it is deliberately trying to sabotage it to the point it no longer functions. CTLM posted... There's laws to follow. Way too many rights for those who are here illegally. The border isn't open to everyone. People want in? There are legal ways to earn your citizenship. Our own country should always come first Shall I assume that you think that the USA was right to turn away the MS St. Louis 80 years ago and send the Jewish refugees back to Nazi Germany? Just asking. Because people back then were saying pretty much the same thing you are now. CTLM posted... Damn right I can turn a blind eye to suffering. Why? America first. Let's solve our own problems before we try to solve someone else's shit. This is all kinds of hilarious (and borderline sociopathic, but that's a different story). Why? Because it is your problem, Skippy. These people have made it your problem. You can choose to address it or choose to leave it alone, but you can't just plug your ears and say, "It's not my problem, go away and deal with it yourselves!". Because they won't and it's completely unreasonable to expect them to. Improve their conditions back home so they don't come, or improve the US's ability to absorb them as they arrive. Those are basically your only options at this point, because the shit you're trying now sure as hell isn't working. Let's see; we have overcrowded jails, public schools in disarray, gun violence out of control, failed war on drugs, homeless problems, etc. But you think I should give 2 shits about another country first? Like hell They can go home, go somewhere else or come in legally. It's not sociopathic. It's called our country comes first. They become a citizen? Then they deserve every freedom and right. They earned it. <cite>CTLM posted [p:923936010] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboXgp89 posted...</cite> <quote>yeah ok then when trump suggest we bus them to your city the dem's all freak out, screaming racist and throw their hands up saying they're full</quote> Wrong again. When Trump suggested doing that, the people who freaked out were his own officials, suggesting that what he was doing was both staggeringly illegal and had terrible optics. The Dems in those city? They were actually pretty cool with it. Here's the mayor of Oakland saying that all would be welcome in her city. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/04/13/oakland_mayor_on_trump_sanctuary_city_plan_all_are_welcome_immigrants_make_a_safer_city.html And here's the mayor of Seattle saying pretty much the same thing: https://time.com/5570144/seattle-sanctuary-city-immigrants/ You know, I'll actually be impressed when you manage to get something right in this thread. I figure the law of averages means it'll happen sooner or later, even if it's by accident. <cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>If they were, they wouldn't have drowned in a river. They would have used proper means. Not trying to cross a river known to be dangerous </quote> They attempted to. Trump's "metering system" - which is currently under court challenge for it's (to put it lightly) dubious legality, prevented them from crossing, because now most crossings only process 10-30 asylum claims a day. Hell, it's bad enough that today union representing US Asylum Workers asked a court to rule Trump's immigration and asylum policies invalid, because they are "fundamentally contrary to the moral fabric of our Nation and our international and domestic legal obligations." Again, they were trying to follow the rules, but the system failed them, mostly because the guy charged with running it is deliberately trying to sabotage it to the point it no longer functions. <cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>There's laws to follow. Way too many rights for those who are here illegally. The border isn't open to everyone. People want in? There are legal ways to earn your citizenship. Our own country should always come first </quote> Shall I assume that you think that the USA was right to turn away the MS St. Louis 80 years ago and send the Jewish refugees back to Nazi Germany? Just asking. Because people back then were saying pretty much the same thing you are now. <cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>Damn right I can turn a blind eye to suffering. Why? America first. Let's solve our own problems before we try to solve someone else's shit. </quote> This is all kinds of hilarious (and borderline sociopathic, but that's a different story). Why? Because it is your problem, Skippy. These people have made it your problem. You can choose to address it or choose to leave it alone, but you can't just plug your ears and say, "It's not my problem, go away and deal with it yourselves!". Because they won't and it's completely unreasonable to expect them to. Improve their conditions back home so they don't come, or improve the US's ability to absorb them as they arrive. Those are basically your only options at this point, because the shit you're trying now sure as hell isn't working.</quote> Let's see; we have overcrowded jails, public schools in disarray, gun violence out of control, failed war on drugs, homeless problems, etc. But you think I should give 2 shits about another country first? Like hell They can go home, go somewhere else or come in legally. It's not sociopathic. It's called our country comes first. They become a citizen? Then they deserve every freedom and right. They earned it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkknight109 06/27/19 6:03:38 PM #78:	CTLM posted... Let's see; we have overcrowded jails, public schools in disarray, gun violence out of control, failed war on drugs, homeless problems, etc. But you think I should give 2 shits about another country first? Like hell Man, your life must be tough if you can't multitask. Literally none of the problems you listed would be in any way impacted by overhauling immigration. Like, let's pick one of your examples. Gun violence? The problem there is that Republican asshats in congress are adamantly opposed to even the most mild, widely-supported measures that might have an impact. You don't need to put everything else on hold while you address that. In fact, if you did address that (by either convincing the Republicans to vote for better gun laws or replacing them with someone else who will), the problem could be solved with minimal allocation of resources or funds. It's not like we need to re-appropriate border patrol agents to crack down on gun crime - two very separate issues. And, again, you missed my point - this isn't their problem anymore, it's yours, because they're coming to your country whether you want them to or not. Scream at your computer "Go back home" all you like, they're not going to listen to you and nor should they. You are going to have to come up with a response and "We're too busy with our own stuff, try again later," is going to solve precisely nothing for you. If you're OK with migrants coming over the border in large numbers, creating multiple humanitarian crises on the way, keep doing what you're doing because those are the results your going to get. But if you actually want these people to return home so you can focus on other issues, you're going to have to do something to address the situation that brought them to your borders in the first place. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:923936536] in What's up ... [t:77819460]...</cite> <quote><cite>CTLM posted...</cite> <quote>Let's see; we have overcrowded jails, public schools in disarray, gun violence out of control, failed war on drugs, homeless problems, etc. But you think I should give 2 shits about another country first? Like hell </quote> Man, your life must be tough if you can't multitask. Literally none of the problems you listed would be in any way impacted by overhauling immigration. Like, let's pick one of your examples. Gun violence? The problem there is that Republican asshats in congress are adamantly opposed to even the most mild, widely-supported measures that might have an impact. You don't need to put everything else on hold while you address that. In fact, if you did address that (by either convincing the Republicans to vote for better gun laws or replacing them with someone else who will), the problem could be solved with minimal allocation of resources or funds. It's not like we need to re-appropriate border patrol agents to crack down on gun crime - two very separate issues. And, again, you missed my point - this isn't their problem anymore, it's yours, because they're coming to your country whether you want them to or not. Scream at your computer "Go back home" all you like, they're not going to listen to you and nor should they. You are going to have to come up with a response and "We're too busy with our own stuff, try again later," is going to solve precisely nothing for you. If you're OK with migrants coming over the border in large numbers, creating multiple humanitarian crises on the way, keep doing what you're doing because those are the results your going to get. But if you actually want these people to return home so you can focus on other issues, you're going to have to do something to address the situation that brought them to your borders in the first place.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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