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dioxxys
06/26/19 12:54:20 AM
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jramirez23
06/26/19 12:56:26 AM
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Damn, that sounds pretty bad.
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Donald_J_Zeus
06/26/19 1:05:10 AM
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Because illegal immigrants' rights trump American rights, duh!
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Muscles
06/26/19 2:17:37 AM
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I understand protecting a father or mother just trying to make a better life for their family but why are they protecting murderers ands rapists?
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Krazy_Kirby
06/26/19 2:35:43 AM
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this shit has been going on for several years, nothing new in CA....
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CTLM
06/26/19 5:59:19 AM
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Donald_J_Zeus posted...
Because illegal immigrants' rights trump American rights, duh!

Krazy_Kirby posted...
this shit has been going on for several years, nothing new in CA....


Yep. NY is just like it.

I don't understand why our government would ever allow this to get this far. It's insane to think that our elected officials put people who don't belong in our country first, worrying more about them than the ones who elected them.
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RoboXgp89
06/26/19 6:17:15 AM
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thats why in NY no one votes for dems outside of the cities
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SmokeMassTree
06/26/19 6:39:51 AM
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It pains me to say this but depending on the 2024 election I might be moving to another country. America doesn't seem like a place for me anymore.
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Mead
06/26/19 6:48:42 AM
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r/circlejerk
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SmokeMassTree
06/26/19 7:54:42 AM
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Mead posted...
r/circlejerk


Look at this guy defending a serial rapist

You're the left @Zeus
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Nichtcrawler X
06/26/19 7:59:52 AM
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Zeus is politically on the left? That explains why he got so annoyed with me for not knowing any left-wing PotDers...
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Mead
06/26/19 8:08:22 AM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
Zeus is politically on the left? That explains why he got so annoyed with me for not knowing any left-wing PotDers...


Zeus is easily the most radically far left poster on the board

Hes always pushing identity politics and tries to get people to donate money to Bernie Sanders
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SmokeMassTree
06/26/19 9:25:00 AM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
Zeus is politically on the left? That explains why he got so annoyed with me for not knowing any left-wing PotDers...


Waht

He's on the right

That's why mead is on the left
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ninja_lootz
06/26/19 9:33:37 AM
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CTLM posted...
Donald_J_Zeus posted...
Because illegal immigrants' rights trump American rights, duh!

Krazy_Kirby posted...
this shit has been going on for several years, nothing new in CA....


Yep. NY is just like it.

I don't understand why our government would ever allow this to get this far. It's insane to think that our elected officials put people who don't belong in our country first, worrying more about them than the ones who elected them.

Big Business loves cheap labor.
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Fazeo13
06/26/19 9:48:30 AM
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ninja_lootz posted...
CTLM posted...
Donald_J_Zeus posted...
Because illegal immigrants' rights trump American rights, duh!

Krazy_Kirby posted...
this shit has been going on for several years, nothing new in CA....


Yep. NY is just like it.

I don't understand why our government would ever allow this to get this far. It's insane to think that our elected officials put people who don't belong in our country first, worrying more about them than the ones who elected them.

Big Business loves cheap labor.


Yup and they will control the population. Less middleclass more serf class. Dependent on big daddy state for handouts to survive. So the elite can rule over us with a iron fist, tell us what to do, think and say. Just like Comifornia, Detoilet and Chicago etc

Once they have enough control they will be able to purge the surplus population ala the Holodomor. Alll while the champagne socialists live it up while the poor get poorer. Only the absolute best for them and the stale bread line for you.
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RoboXgp89
06/26/19 10:56:03 AM
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Fazeo13 posted...
ninja_lootz posted...
CTLM posted...
Donald_J_Zeus posted...
Because illegal immigrants' rights trump American rights, duh!

Krazy_Kirby posted...
this shit has been going on for several years, nothing new in CA....


Yep. NY is just like it.

I don't understand why our government would ever allow this to get this far. It's insane to think that our elected officials put people who don't belong in our country first, worrying more about them than the ones who elected them.

Big Business loves cheap labor.


Yup and they will control the population. Less middleclass more serf class. Dependent on big daddy state for handouts to survive. So the elite can rule over us with a iron fist, tell us what to do, think and say. Just like Comifornia, Detoilet and Chicago etc

Once they have enough control they will be able to purge the surplus population ala the Holodomor. Alll while the champagne socialists live it up while the poor get poorer. Only the absolute best for them and the stale bread line for you.


they would never need to do that
just print some little box houses with box cars
while delegating all the amenities and luxuries to themselves with their own gated areas

no far from holodomor, just tinder 2.0
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joemodda
06/26/19 10:58:49 AM
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Laws like that exist because that is how Trump will be defeated. With love and tolerance. The criminal in question is just practicing a different form of love.
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The_tall_midget
06/26/19 11:11:17 AM
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Hey, it's the leftist nutcases that are cheering for more illegal, criminal migrants and idiotic shit like that. Go ask them.
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hmnut7
06/26/19 11:17:45 AM
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If I vote to support sending violent undocumented people to ICE will you right wingers vote to treat non-violent undocumented people with same level of compassion you treat white collar criminals?
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WhiskeyDisk
06/26/19 11:52:52 AM
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ninja_lootz posted...
CTLM posted...
Donald_J_Zeus posted...
Because illegal immigrants' rights trump American rights, duh!

Krazy_Kirby posted...
this shit has been going on for several years, nothing new in CA....


Yep. NY is just like it.

I don't understand why our government would ever allow this to get this far. It's insane to think that our elected officials put people who don't belong in our country first, worrying more about them than the ones who elected them.

Big Business loves cheap labor.


That's really going to backfire once automation takes over...we aren't exactly importing computer scientists and technicians en masse.
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kangolcone
06/26/19 11:59:49 AM
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The truth is that the immigrant population in the US commits crimes at a far lower rate than Americans do. Being an immigrant means statistically you are actually less likely to break the law.

Its funny how many facts over feelings idiots immediately go to emotional scare tactics for this and many other debated.
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darkknight109
06/26/19 12:21:03 PM
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dioxxys posted...
TLDR; Guy rapes woman, get of jail after a year, assaults same woman

Why would you allow established criminals to do this?

So, question for you - how is this fundamentally different than if a normal citizen did this exact same thing? Sounds like there's a bigger problem here than whether or not the guy was an illegal immigrant.

Also, all sanctuary laws that I'm aware of do not cover people convicted of violent crimes.

Fazeo13 posted...
Once they have enough control they will be able to purge the surplus population ala the Holodomor. Alll while the champagne socialists live it up while the poor get poorer. Only the absolute best for them and the stale bread line for you.

I always have a good chuckle at this, because I've watched people scream about this for decades and never once has it actually come to pass.
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Donald_J_Zeus
06/26/19 12:39:50 PM
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Nichtcrawler X posted...
Zeus is politically on the left?


Left-leaning centrist.

Mead posted...
Zeus is easily the most radically far left poster on the board

Hes always pushing identity politics and tries to get people to donate money to Bernie Sanders


Identity politics and Bernie support are separate issues. You can be a radical leftist with either one or none of those, depending on the rest of your beliefs. Keep in mind that people support even fringier candidates than Bernie based on the belief that Bernie doesn't go far enough.
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dioxxys
06/26/19 3:21:04 PM
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Is this because some stupid blurring the line because "all illegal immigrants are criminals"?

If so there needs to be some differentiating between the two.
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BlackScythe0
06/26/19 3:30:12 PM
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Some times it seems how you decide how severe a crime happens to be is based on the person who perpetrates it.

School shootings can be solved by thoughts and prayers because most of the people who commit those actions are of a specific demographic.

But this crime requires action be taken against an entire demographic of people.
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RoboXgp89
06/26/19 8:08:56 PM
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kangolcone posted...
The truth is that the immigrant population in the US commits crimes at a far lower rate than Americans do. Being an immigrant means statistically you are actually less likely to break the law.

Its funny how many facts over feelings idiots immediately go to emotional scare tactics for this and many other debated.

*barf*

compared to the population as a whole
if you segment the population further they commit just as many crimes, which is why they didn't compare them to whites or asians or even hispanics
anyone can commit less crimes than another group if they're

1)only here for a short time
2)unable to be detained because they don't have a real name or home

we have adult men coming here to rape teenagers, and you liberals get upset when we deport them
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darkknight109
06/26/19 11:43:44 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
compared to the population as a whole
if you segment the population further they commit just as many crimes, which is why they didn't compare them to whites or asians or even hispanics
anyone can commit less crimes than another group if they're

1)only here for a short time
2)unable to be detained because they don't have a real name or home

Wrong.

https://www.cato.org/publications/immigration-research-policy-brief/criminal-immigrants-texas-illegal-immigrant

Citizens commit crimes at a rate twice as high as illegal immigrants. Legal immigrants commit even less crime, though the drop is not as dramatic. The effect is so pronounced, particularly in urban areas (which tend to have higher crime rates to begin with), that a jump in the illegal immigrant population correlates fairly strongly with a drop in that city's violent crime rate.

Your bullet points are also logically unsound:

1) The time a person spends in the country is, statistically, completely unimportant (especially because, for every migrant that leaves the country, more come in to take their place). If someone comes here, stays for 10 years without committing a crime, then leaves, that's a good thing. Saying, "Well, they only have lower crime rates because they're not here very long!" is a) A tacit admission that they *do* commit crimes at a lower rate, regardless of the reason, and b) Logically irrelevant (kind of like saying "the citizen crime rate is suppressed because they die at higher rates, particularly of natural causes").

2) Illegal immigrants aren't transients. They all have real names and most have homes and fixed addresses. And even if they didn't, the absence of those things doesn't prevent detention or incarceration. They're not demons, you don't need to open up a grimoire and recite their true name before they can be captured.
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RoboXgp89
06/26/19 11:58:28 PM
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wanted for murder in mexico
has five anchor babies
makes a lot of sense
lets compare the illegals crime statistics to whites
they'd be absolutely wrecked
hard to arrest someone with no actual permanent residence
where do you think they are living?? lol
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darkknight109
06/27/19 2:19:18 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
lets compare the illegals crime statistics to whites
they'd be absolutely wrecked

Sure, let's. I'll just wait for you to get back to us with a source on that.

RoboXgp89 posted...
95% of all homicides in my state in last decade with nothing more than knives and machetes

And that.

RoboXgp89 posted...
the people with good behaviour bring down the rates for those with bad behaviour

This is true of literally everyone, and is also known as "how statistics works".

RoboXgp89 posted...
where do you think they are living?? not in houses or apartments, not legal ones anyway

Where do *you* think they are living? There are over 10 million illegal immigrants in the US now. Do you think they have some illegal immigrant tent city somewhere? Or that they use their minimum-wage jobs to pay for a permanent hotel room?
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RoboXgp89
06/27/19 3:14:28 AM
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they have houses here filled with two families each
make jobs unaccesable, keep wages down
property goes up because real estate agents sell to people that will rent out half their house to another family
house behind me just was bought
wonder how long until some others move in, probably a week or so
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darkknight109
06/27/19 4:31:16 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
they have houses here filled with two families each

Weren't you just saying that they have no houses and, therefore, are impossible to arrest?

RoboXgp89 posted...
make jobs unaccesable, keep wages down

Yes, that's why the unemployment numbers are...

Oh, wait, no, as Trump fans are so fond of telling me, unemployment numbers are extremely low right now, even as illegal immigration numbers are high.
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Mead
06/27/19 4:35:30 AM
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Folks still think immigrants are taking jobs like its 1995

Meanwhile automation is eliminating jobs in the millions and most politicians wont even talk about that
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Sarcasthma
06/27/19 4:45:48 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
they have houses here filled with two families each
make jobs unaccesable, keep wages down
property goes up because real estate agents sell to people that will rent out half their house to another family
house behind me just was bought
wonder how long until some others move in, probably a week or so

So where are those sources darkknight asked for?
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Krazy_Kirby
06/27/19 9:19:01 AM
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kangolcone posted...
The truth is that the immigrant population in the US commits crimes at a far lower rate than Americans do. Being an immigrant means statistically you are actually less likely to break the law.

Its funny how many facts over feelings idiots immediately go to emotional scare tactics for this and many other debated.


they are commiting a crime just by coming here illegally... hence the term "illegal immigrant"
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Mead
06/27/19 9:24:49 AM
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Krazy_Kirby posted...
kangolcone posted...
The truth is that the immigrant population in the US commits crimes at a far lower rate than Americans do. Being an immigrant means statistically you are actually less likely to break the law.

Its funny how many facts over feelings idiots immediately go to emotional scare tactics for this and many other debated.


they are commiting a crime just by coming here illegally... hence the term "illegal immigrant"


That crime is right up there at the same level as a parking ticket

Its more of a civil offense than anything, and the current actions by the trump administration are actually encouraging refugees to try to cross the border illegally rather than have their family split apart and held indefinitely in substandard detention camps
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CTLM
06/27/19 10:02:41 AM
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Mead posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
kangolcone posted...
The truth is that the immigrant population in the US commits crimes at a far lower rate than Americans do. Being an immigrant means statistically you are actually less likely to break the law.

Its funny how many facts over feelings idiots immediately go to emotional scare tactics for this and many other debated.


they are commiting a crime just by coming here illegally... hence the term "illegal immigrant"


That crime is right up there at the same level as a parking ticket

Its more of a civil offense than anything, and the current actions by the trump administration are actually encouraging refugees to try to cross the border illegally rather than have their family split apart and held indefinitely in substandard detention camps


What actions is our president doing that is encouraging people to cross illegally? Seems like he's doing a pretty good job of discouraging people compared to encouraging them
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darkknight109
06/27/19 10:52:14 AM
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CTLM posted...
What actions is our president doing that is encouraging people to cross illegally? Seems like he's doing a pretty good job of discouraging people compared to encouraging them

No, because the people he's locking up are asylum-seekers. Crossing into the US and requesting asylum is not illegal.

By treating asylum seekers like ass, Trump is increasing the incentive for people to *not* turn themselves over to border patrol, to not make the asylum request, and to just sneak into the country and disappear. Which is in no one's best interest.

This is also one of the (many, many, many) reasons why the wall is such a dumb idea. It's not going to impact the huge crush of people making asylum claims. You want to deal with those people? Start investing in more immigration judges and larger facilities to house them (both of which Trump has resisted funding in favour of his vanity project).
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Mead
06/27/19 11:02:49 AM
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CTLM posted...
Mead posted...
Krazy_Kirby posted...
kangolcone posted...
The truth is that the immigrant population in the US commits crimes at a far lower rate than Americans do. Being an immigrant means statistically you are actually less likely to break the law.

Its funny how many facts over feelings idiots immediately go to emotional scare tactics for this and many other debated.


they are commiting a crime just by coming here illegally... hence the term "illegal immigrant"


That crime is right up there at the same level as a parking ticket

Its more of a civil offense than anything, and the current actions by the trump administration are actually encouraging refugees to try to cross the border illegally rather than have their family split apart and held indefinitely in substandard detention camps


What actions is our president doing that is encouraging people to cross illegally? Seems like he's doing a pretty good job of discouraging people compared to encouraging them


Be warned of the somewhat graphic image in the link below

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/26/736177694/a-father-and-daughter-drowned-at-the-border-put-attention-on-immigration

Thats a dad and his daughter dead. There was no reason for that man and his young daughter to drown in that river because they had secured a humanitarian visa. But under Trumps zero tolerance border policy, a policy not interpreted or enforced by any previous administration, they were held in a detention camp for months for no other crime than legally applying for asylum in the US until they reached their breaking point.

Go ahead and defend that if you think the Trump administration is doing the right thing at the southern border
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ninja_lootz
06/27/19 11:32:39 AM
#39:


Mead posted...
Be warned of the somewhat graphic image in the link below

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/26/736177694/a-father-and-daughter-drowned-at-the-border-put-attention-on-immigration

Thats a dad and his daughter dead. There was no reason for that man and his young daughter to drown in that river because they had secured a humanitarian visa. But under Trumps zero tolerance border policy, a policy not interpreted or enforced by any previous administration, they were held in a detention camp for months for no other crime than legally applying for asylum in the US until they reached their breaking point.

Go ahead and defend that if you think the Trump administration is doing the right thing at the southern border

You're right, there was no reason for them to die. They could have stayed in El Salvador instead of trying to exploit our asylum laws.

There's a billion people on this planet living in horrible poverty. That doesn't give them the right to move here.
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Mead
06/27/19 11:35:06 AM
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It does actually.

The same inalienable rights that allowed your family to come here. Being born somewhere else does not make them less valuable as human beings.
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CTLM
06/27/19 1:10:33 PM
#41:


Mead posted...
It does actually.

The same inalienable rights that allowed your family to come here. Being born somewhere else does not make them less valuable as human beings.


My family earned their right to come here. First one here fought for the North, rest came over in 1892. There was no forcing their way in. No invasion. You wanted in? You did it THEIR way, even back then

ninja_lootz posted...
Mead posted...
Be warned of the somewhat graphic image in the link below

https://www.npr.org/2019/06/26/736177694/a-father-and-daughter-drowned-at-the-border-put-attention-on-immigration

Thats a dad and his daughter dead. There was no reason for that man and his young daughter to drown in that river because they had secured a humanitarian visa. But under Trumps zero tolerance border policy, a policy not interpreted or enforced by any previous administration, they were held in a detention camp for months for no other crime than legally applying for asylum in the US until they reached their breaking point.

Go ahead and defend that if you think the Trump administration is doing the right thing at the southern border

You're right, there was no reason for them to die. They could have stayed in El Salvador instead of trying to exploit our asylum laws.

There's a billion people on this planet living in horrible poverty. That doesn't give them the right to move here.


Absolutely. People have this bizarre mindset that because they demand it (asylum) or really want it, we HAVE to give it to them. Both the people trying to come here illegally and even members of our own country.

Last time I checked, there's laws and procedures in place to help them out so they can come here and become a contributing member of our country, just like they dreamed about.

They can proudly call themselves citizens of our country. No more hiding. No illegal status. Get sworn in and be an American.
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Lirishae
06/27/19 1:22:42 PM
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ninja_lootz posted...
They could have stayed in El Salvador instead of trying to exploit our asylum laws.

https://johnpavlovitz.com/2019/05/31/why-do-you-think-they-cross-the-border/
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dioxxys
06/27/19 1:50:49 PM
#43:


@BlackScythe0 posted...
Some times it seems how you decide how severe a crime happens to be is based on the person who perpetrates it.

School shootings can be solved by thoughts and prayers because most of the people who commit those actions are of a specific demographic.

But this crime requires action be taken against an entire demographic of people.

what no? It just requires not letting rapists and murderers run free regardless of ethnicity?
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BlackScythe0
06/27/19 1:57:20 PM
#44:


dioxxys posted...
@BlackScythe0 posted...
Some times it seems how you decide how severe a crime happens to be is based on the person who perpetrates it.

School shootings can be solved by thoughts and prayers because most of the people who commit those actions are of a specific demographic.

But this crime requires action be taken against an entire demographic of people.

what no? It just requires not letting rapists and murderers run free regardless of ethnicity?


A concept I can agree with, but not really what I feel like is occurring by trying to equate all illegals with this.
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RoboXgp89
06/27/19 1:59:29 PM
#45:


BlackScythe0 posted...
dioxxys posted...
@BlackScythe0 posted...
Some times it seems how you decide how severe a crime happens to be is based on the person who perpetrates it.

School shootings can be solved by thoughts and prayers because most of the people who commit those actions are of a specific demographic.

But this crime requires action be taken against an entire demographic of people.

what no? It just requires not letting rapists and murderers run free regardless of ethnicity?


A concept I can agree with, but not really what I feel like is occurring by trying to equate all illegals with this.


why not?
open borders makes human trafficking much easier
asylum seekers = people who are persecuted, by the logic your using with these latinos' anyone in the major cities can cross the borders because they don't feel safe
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dioxxys
06/27/19 2:02:24 PM
#46:


BlackScythe0 posted...
dioxxys posted...
@BlackScythe0 posted...
Some times it seems how you decide how severe a crime happens to be is based on the person who perpetrates it.

School shootings can be solved by thoughts and prayers because most of the people who commit those actions are of a specific demographic.

But this crime requires action be taken against an entire demographic of people.

what no? It just requires not letting rapists and murderers run free regardless of ethnicity?


A concept I can agree with, but not really what I feel like is occurring by trying to equate all illegals with this.

I mean if you are having trouble differentiating just look at their criminal record? If it says sexual offender or homicidal manic then that makes things pretty simple. I mean since race is such a concern for you Im all for deporting Americans who do the same thing XD
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Mead
06/27/19 2:02:32 PM
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My family earned their right to come here. First one here fought for the North, rest came over in 1892. There was no forcing their way in. No invasion. You wanted in? You did it THEIR way, even back then


Well gosh you should probably contact the family of that dead little girl and let them know what a piece of shit you think she and her dad were compared to your family
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BlackScythe0
06/27/19 2:03:38 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
dioxxys posted...
@BlackScythe0 posted...
Some times it seems how you decide how severe a crime happens to be is based on the person who perpetrates it.

School shootings can be solved by thoughts and prayers because most of the people who commit those actions are of a specific demographic.

But this crime requires action be taken against an entire demographic of people.

what no? It just requires not letting rapists and murderers run free regardless of ethnicity?


A concept I can agree with, but not really what I feel like is occurring by trying to equate all illegals with this.


why not?
open borders makes human trafficking much easier


Gonna stop you there. Not in favor of open borders. I'm just attacking a disingenuous argument.

Any time they bring up one criminal and try to make sweeping arguments while ignoring any crime from demographics they like I'm going to have a problem.
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Mead
06/27/19 2:08:23 PM
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Practically no one is in favor of open borders. Thats just a strawman perpetuated by the right
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RoboXgp89
06/27/19 2:09:35 PM
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"oh gee I have all this extra money and no one to hire, poor me what do I do? should I raise the wage, put up more employee hirings"
*Bernie walks in* FREE COLLEGE!!

BlackScythe0 posted...
Gonna stop you there


wow that means a lot coming from you

and yes it is a problem 1 murder by 1 illegal means someone didn't do there job
this isn't a safe haven for pedofiles, rapist and murderers
you sneak into this country, that's who you're setting the example for
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