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Mead
06/25/19 1:42:27 PM
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Watched just a couple interviews with him and now my feed is full of hours upon many hours of all sorts of speaking events and whatnot the guy has done

Maybe Im just being brainwashed but the stuff he says is making more and more sense to me. He needs to find another vendor for his MATH hats though because when he wears that style of ball cap it makes him look like a little kid
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Nade Duck
06/25/19 1:42:54 PM
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dang, yang.
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GameLord113
06/25/19 1:52:50 PM
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I hope he really takes off when the debates start. Similar ideas as Bernie, but just not as well known.
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Zikten
06/25/19 2:08:30 PM
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I like him. though I am supporting Buttigieg. I woudln;t mind if one was the VP of the other
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-Komaiko54-
06/25/19 2:24:44 PM
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Mead posted...
Watched just a couple interviews with him and now my feed is full of hours upon many hours of all sorts of speaking events and whatnot the guy has done


that's how the algorithm works
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Mead
06/25/19 2:25:39 PM
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Sure but I wasnt even aware the dude had done so many speaking events and interviews
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Taily_Po
06/28/19 3:23:25 PM
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I'd rather Andrew Yang just be all over. I didn't hear that much from him in the debate, but his nonsense about UBI is all that I needed to hear to disqualify him. Not that he had a chance, considering he's usually been polling at about 1%.
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Mead
06/28/19 3:30:13 PM
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Taily_Po posted...
I'd rather Andrew Yang just be all over. I didn't hear that much from him in the debate, but his nonsense about UBI is all that I needed to hear to disqualify him. Not that he had a chance, considering he's usually been polling at about 1%.


UBI is an important thing to discuss as a nation even if its not the right thing to do. Its not a replacement for peoples income, its there to provide support and security considering so many households would be completely sunk if they ran into some unexpected bill from an emergency room visit or something similar.

Without it or some real plan to deal with the mass automation of jobs our economy is gonna crash and burn worse than it has in generations. Every swing state that Trump won was a state where millions of jobs had been replaced by automation and almost no politicians are talking about that.

You cant realistically expect millions upon millions of truckers, factory workers, retail employees, and food and beverage workers to just up and learn how to code and get replacement jobs that arent even there for them.
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Taily_Po
06/28/19 4:36:47 PM
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Mead posted...

UBI is an important thing to discuss as a nation even if its not the right thing to do.


If something is the wrong thing to do, why would you do it? We don't put sharks in public swimming pools because that would be stupid, so why would we seriously talk about putting sharks in swimming pools?

Mead posted...
Its not a replacement for peoples income, its there to provide support and security considering so many households would be completely sunk if they ran into some unexpected bill from an emergency room visit or something similar.


We already have multiple social safety nets for that and, more importantly, UBI doesn't really address those issues in the first place and would serve to deplete money people could have saved to address those issues in the first place. Keep in mind that UBI isn't magic money coming from thin air, it would need to come from taxes and most of those taxes would need to come from citizens themselves.

Mead posted...
Without it or some real plan to deal with the mass automation of jobs our economy is gonna crash and burn worse than it has in generations. Every swing state that Trump won was a state where millions of jobs had been replaced by automation and almost no politicians are talking about that.


....which was literally already addressed multiple times when you brought it up in other topics. The nature of work has repeatedly changed over the years, so the loss of some jobs doesn't mean that new jobs won't replace them.

Mead posted...
You cant realistically expect millions upon millions of truckers, factory workers, retail employees, and food and beverage workers to just up and learn how to code and get replacement jobs that arent even there for them.


You can't realistically expect the transition to occur that quickly. A lot of the people losing their jobs to automation are on the tailend of their careers and would be applying for benefits before taking SSI. Other forms of automation -- such as truckers and retail -- are still currently so far out that they aren't worth talking about or SUPPLEMENT rather than replace workers (ie, the McDonald's kiosks)
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RoboXgp89
06/28/19 5:08:20 PM
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I'm ok with UBI
but it wouldn't work

if they just reduced the price of housing and certain goods you wouldn't need it

all UBI will do is exponentially increase the price on everything once the rich are taxed for it
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masticatingman
06/28/19 5:22:44 PM
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Iirc, by around 2150, ubi will need to be in place in the US or there will just be mass homelessness unlike anything youve ever seen.Thats when automation will get to the point that there simply just wont be many jobs left. Itll also be a radical shift since by then youll really be needing more humanities minded types to dictate plans for all the AI around, instead of the technical fields that dominate career paths today.
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The_tall_midget
06/28/19 5:32:02 PM
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His UBI idea is idiotic and any economist who isn't a dumb Marxist would tell you it would be a terrible idea short and long term. However, Yang is one of the few people on that entire panel who's not a complete moron.

The reason why you didn't pay much attention to him, Mead, is because you tend to be socialist and my bet was that you were up someone's ass who likes to promise free stuff like possibly Bernie.
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Cacciato
06/28/19 6:01:39 PM
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The_tall_midget posted...
His UBI idea is idiotic and any economist who isn't a dumb Marxist would tell you it would be a terrible idea short and long term. However, Yang is one of the few people on that entire panel who's not a complete moron.

The reason why you didn't pay much attention to him, Mead, is because you tend to be socialist and my bet was that you were up someone's ass who likes to promise free stuff like possibly Bernie.

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aDirtyShisno
06/28/19 7:17:01 PM
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Hes the one whos mic they shut off yesterday, so it probably suggests hes not the worst choice you could go with at least...
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adjl
06/28/19 7:28:55 PM
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UBI means minimum wage as a concept can cease to exist, which is fantastic for small businesses. In a sense, it's the only way to end up with a truly free, capitalist market.
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Bulbasaur
06/28/19 7:30:59 PM
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is taily po zeuses 4th alt

because he just screams zeus
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Mead
06/28/19 7:54:52 PM
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Bulbasaur posted...
is taily po zeuses 4th alt

because he just screams zeus


I was thinking the same
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Lokarin
06/28/19 8:36:56 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
all UBI will do is exponentially increase the price on everything once the rich are taxed for it


It would take a 20% tax on the rich just to overcome the CHANGE in income disparity... they're GROWING that much faster, let alone own that much.
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Cacciato
06/28/19 9:32:00 PM
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Bulbasaur posted...
is taily po zeuses 4th alt

because he just screams zeus

Absolutely. His response method is the same. Poor guy. At his age it must be difficult remembering all those accounts and passwords.
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RoboXgp89
06/28/19 9:51:48 PM
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Lokarin posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
all UBI will do is exponentially increase the price on everything once the rich are taxed for it


It would take a 20% tax on the rich just to overcome the CHANGE in income disparity... they're GROWING that much faster, let alone own that much.


yeah and guess who gets to profit off them at no extra cost and do all their dirty work
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Taily_Po
06/28/19 10:08:35 PM
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Bulbasaur posted...
is taily po zeuses 4th alt

because he just screams zeus


He says like I've done anything to hide that I'm Zeus and haven't been responding to people who responded to my older posts. Granted, it sometimes takes Helly a little while to catch up.
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Bulbasaur
06/28/19 10:26:07 PM
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huh

the dude who always said he had no other accounts suddenly has a lot of accounts
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Taily_Po
06/28/19 10:32:19 PM
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Bulbasaur posted...
huh

the dude who always said he had no other accounts suddenly has a lot of accounts


No, I said that I don't secretly use alts. And, at the time I said that, I had been sticking to one account. If I were to hide my identity, I'd do something ridiculous like support Bernie Sanders for president. Besides, is the guy with a hundred accounts (who also *does* hide his identity) seriously trying to lecture me?

And, thanks to Foxx, I've been finding accounts I forgot I owned.
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Blighboy
06/28/19 11:23:43 PM
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It should be illegal to speak out of turn at the debates. My boy Yang was done dirty. If this were the japanosino conflict of old they wouldn't stand for this yelling shit. Confucian values put a stop to that.
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The_tall_midget
06/29/19 12:26:57 AM
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Blighboy posted...
It should be illegal to speak out of turn at the debates. My boy Yang was done dirty. If this were the japanosino conflict of old they wouldn't stand for this yelling shit. Confucian values put a stop to that.


The whole debate was made and planned to make Harris look good. Because diversity.
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streamofthesky
06/29/19 11:28:22 AM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
I'm ok with UBI
but it wouldn't work

if they just reduced the price of housing and certain goods you wouldn't need it

all UBI will do is exponentially increase the price on everything once the rich are taxed for it

Wait, you'd rather have the government step in and dictate the prices private enterprises are allowed to sell things for, rather than just simplify all our various existing social safety nets into one simple program that just gives people a check?

You realize the former is WAY more communist than the latter, right?
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RoboXgp89
06/29/19 1:14:33 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
I'm ok with UBI
but it wouldn't work

if they just reduced the price of housing and certain goods you wouldn't need it

all UBI will do is exponentially increase the price on everything once the rich are taxed for it

Wait, you'd rather have the government step in and dictate the prices private enterprises are allowed to sell things for, rather than just simplify all our various existing social safety nets into one simple program that just gives people a check?

You realize the former is WAY more communist than the latter, right?


i didnt say take i said reduce
which automation does if its non profit
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streamofthesky
06/29/19 1:33:00 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
streamofthesky posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
I'm ok with UBI
but it wouldn't work

if they just reduced the price of housing and certain goods you wouldn't need it

all UBI will do is exponentially increase the price on everything once the rich are taxed for it

Wait, you'd rather have the government step in and dictate the prices private enterprises are allowed to sell things for, rather than just simplify all our various existing social safety nets into one simple program that just gives people a check?

You realize the former is WAY more communist than the latter, right?


i didnt say take i said reduce
which automation does if its non profit

How is it being reduced, exactly?

All the property owners just come together and agree to lower their prices and make less money, for the good of the populace?

Or are you saying to have some computers decide for us what to charge for land and goods?

It'd have to be the government that does it.
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Mead
06/29/19 1:34:15 PM
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RoboXgp89 posted...
streamofthesky posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
I'm ok with UBI
but it wouldn't work

if they just reduced the price of housing and certain goods you wouldn't need it

all UBI will do is exponentially increase the price on everything once the rich are taxed for it

Wait, you'd rather have the government step in and dictate the prices private enterprises are allowed to sell things for, rather than just simplify all our various existing social safety nets into one simple program that just gives people a check?

You realize the former is WAY more communist than the latter, right?


i didnt say take i said reduce
which automation does if its non profit


How much non profit automation do you think is being implemented?
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I_Abibde
06/29/19 2:03:09 PM
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Andrew Yang does have interesting ideas that are worth debating, IMO. He should have had more time to speak at the debate. And UBI is at least worth trying, but ... I'm a little biased there, since it would greatly benefit me if implemented.
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Mead
06/29/19 2:09:55 PM
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I_Abibde posted...
Andrew Yang does have interesting ideas that are worth debating, IMO. He should have had more time to speak at the debate. And UBI is at least worth trying, but ... I'm a little biased there, since it would greatly benefit me if implemented.


Yeah I think its something that needs a serious discussion in politics. If its not the right move then we need to figure out what is

And honestly a presidential candidate ensuring every citizen got money deposited into their bank account every month would do more for most individuals than the policies of most administrations in the past

Even if the chances of him winning are too slim Id like to see him potentially as a VP for a candidate like Sanders or Warren or maybe made head of some economic department in the White House to try to find solutions to the automation of jobs
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RoboXgp89
06/29/19 2:22:16 PM
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the reason i don't think it'd work, and that prices would fly up canceling out the free money
is because rich people are rich because they are cut throat
rich people basically want us to work all the time and be miserable
just as miserable as they are, but just barely scraping by
it helps them out immensely obviously
and it helps out their friends
rich people don't care about the workers
I know from experiance
rich people care more about their own friends than people who've worked at a company for 30 years
look at any video game company that doesn't make games anymore
most of them got regulatory captured in some way, it's undemocratic for the workers there
rich people's sole claim to being rich is living comfortably
they don't care nor want to see everyone else living that way
otherwise they wouldn't be rich!
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Taily_Po
06/30/19 5:30:37 PM
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streamofthesky posted...
RoboXgp89 posted...
I'm ok with UBI
but it wouldn't work

if they just reduced the price of housing and certain goods you wouldn't need it

all UBI will do is exponentially increase the price on everything once the rich are taxed for it

Wait, you'd rather have the government step in and dictate the prices private enterprises are allowed to sell things for, rather than just simplify all our various existing social safety nets into one simple program that just gives people a check?

You realize the former is WAY more communist than the latter, right?


UBI would likely be woefully insufficient in simplifying social safety nets so you'd likely still need them in addition to UBI.

streamofthesky posted...
How is it being reduced, exactly?

All the property owners just come together and agree to lower their prices and make less money, for the good of the populace?

Or are you saying to have some computers decide for us what to charge for land and goods?

It'd have to be the government that does it.


In his defense, I will note that you have things like rent-control in cities to address issues like this.
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Mead
06/30/19 5:33:47 PM
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Actually Yangs proposed UBI program would simplify a lot of social programs by reducing the number of people enrolled for them. While the dividend doesnt affect healthcare benefits opting to receive it does exclude you from other monetary assistance programs.

A lot of people would choose it because its money they can use on anything
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OhhhJa
06/30/19 5:40:49 PM
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Mead posted...
Actually Yangs proposed UBI program would simplify a lot of social programs by reducing the number of people enrolled for them. While the dividend doesnt affect healthcare benefits opting to receive it does exclude you from other monetary assistance programs.

A lot of people would choose it because its money they can use on anything

UBI is eventually inevitable. But it's probably more of something that will be considered 10-15 years from now. I know a head start isnt a bad idea but it would be kinda difficult to decide who qualifies for it and who doesnt
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Mead
06/30/19 5:45:04 PM
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Everyone qualifies. Its universal.

And if it does end up increasing our GDP as much as proponents of the idea suggest, why kick the can down the road instead of stimulating the economy now?

You cant just do nothing about the fact that most households arent in any position to deal with an unexpected $400 bill. It should take more than that to sink a dual income family in America.
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OhhhJa
06/30/19 5:50:57 PM
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Mead posted...
Everyone qualifies. Its universal.

And if it does end up increasing our GDP as much as proponents of the idea suggest, why kick the can down the road instead of stimulating the economy now?

You cant just do nothing about the fact that most households arent in any position to deal with an unexpected $400 bill. It should take more than that to sink a dual income family in America.

Yeah but plenty dont need the $1000 surplus. So I just dont think it should be completely universal. Why give 1000 a month to someone making 70 grand a year or more. It should be just for people making under a certain amount but even then you would need to break it up into a shit load of income brackets for it to be fair for everyone. You cant just give a flat thousand to everyone
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Mead
06/30/19 5:58:09 PM
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Thats not UBI. Youre talking about increasing and expanding welfare.
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OhhhJa
06/30/19 6:08:59 PM
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Mead posted...
Thats not UBI. Youre talking about increasing and expanding welfare.

I guess I've just always pictured applying UBI when we get to the point that a very significant portion of the population dont have jobs. Eventually A.I. will probably take over all the tech jobs too. At that point, we'll all need UBI
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OhhhJa
06/30/19 6:10:33 PM
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But to be fair, UBI is just increasing welfare to the most extreme state. At this point, total UBI isnt really necessary
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Mead
06/30/19 6:25:01 PM
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UBI is not meant to be a replacement for jobs
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RoboXgp89
06/30/19 11:28:52 PM
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well my property taxes are like 8k a year
we could just get rid of property taxes instead by not having regular people pay for it just the mega billionaires
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Taily_Po
06/30/19 11:35:51 PM
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Mead posted...
Actually Yangs proposed UBI program would simplify a lot of social programs by reducing the number of people enrolled for them. While the dividend doesnt affect healthcare benefits opting to receive it does exclude you from other monetary assistance programs.


Except that could never work in practice given the diversity of needs. UBI would just be one more entitlement on top of everything else.

Mead posted...
A lot of people would choose it because its money they can use on anything


Given that just about every corner store is willing to help you cash out your EBT, what they have now can be used on anything >_>

Mead posted...
Everyone qualifies. Its universal.


But it's not *really* universal. Whatever gains would be offered to the normal taxpayer would be offset by the additional taxes needed to support it because the money doesn't just come from thin air. You can say that you're giving taxpayers money, but you're really not giving them any money at all.

Mead posted...
And if it does end up increasing our GDP as much as proponents of the idea suggest, why kick the can down the road instead of stimulating the economy now?


Because it's not a real stimulus, it's an ongoing debt obligation.

Mead posted...
UBI is not meant to be a replacement for jobs


Then why have you been pitching it in regards to jobs lost to automation?
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