Current Events > A solution to "cop didn't have body camera turned on"

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Someone should make a version where the gun holster and body camera are connected.
If gun is not in the holster, the body camera automatically turns on.
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Yes.
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cool idea.

Just what cops need, more complicated gear.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Someone should make a version where the gun holster and body camera are connected.
If gun is not in the holster, the body camera automatically turns on.

That doesn't solve the problem at all when basically all context to the shooting is before the gun is out of the holster.

You'd be creating a situation where almost all of these things favor a narrative against the cop, because the video is just going to be starting with somebody getting shot.

BewmHedshot posted...

Just what pigs need, more complicated gear.

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They'll figure some way to get around it whether through jerry rigging or bullshit excuses. They always do.

Just never have them be able to be cut off. I don't give a crap if a cop has to use the bathroom. You signed up for the job. They can quit if they don't like it.
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Southernfatman posted...

They'll figure some way to get around it whether through jerry rigging or bullshit excuses. They always do.

easy. then make that a fireable offense. So if shit goes down and that's discovered, they are done.

They should just always have it on but the cops dont know that because the light only comes on when they press the on button
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Idea is ridiculous, from pulling to shooting is 10 seconds max, and it doesn't show anything that occur prior that escalated the situation for the cop to draw the gun.
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Fam_Fam posted...

easy. then make that a fireable offense. So if shit goes down and that's discovered, they are done.

The bosses are the ones who don't punish the bad cops. The bosses are the same bad cops who just were able to climb the ladder and they lie and make excuses and cover for the other bad cops.
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Southernfatman posted...

Fam_Fam posted...

easy. then make that a fireable offense. So if shit goes down and that's discovered, they are done.

The bosses are the ones who don't punish the bad cops. The bosses are the same bad cops who just were able to climb the ladder and they lie and make excuses and cover for the other bad cops.

What's your point? Do an investigation (with this "boss" not being the one doing it) when these things happen, and hold them responsible. Fire the "boss" if there is evidence that they were knowingly complicit.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Someone should make a version where the gun holster and body camera are connected.
If gun is not in the holster, the body camera automatically turns on.

That doesn't solve the problem at all when basically all context to the shooting is before the gun is out of the holster.

You'd be creating a situation where almost all of these things favor a narrative against the cop, because the video is just going to be starting with somebody getting shot.

Perhaps you are right in some scenarios

Sometimes cops pull out gun a scream alot before firing?
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Fam_Fam posted...

What's your point? Do an investigation (with this "boss" not being the one doing it) when these things happen, and hold them responsible. Fire the "boss" if there is evidence that they were knowingly complicit.

My point is the system is broken and corruption is rampant up and down departments. You'd have to get the Department of Justice involved for what you're saying and they don't want to change anything either especially with the Republicans in charge.

If getting rid of all these bad cops were as easy as you think it is, then we wouldn't be having as many of these abuses and shootings and murders in the first place.
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It should always be on. If a cop has it turned off before, there's no context behind why they drew their weapon.
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Fam_Fam posted...

easy. then make that a fireable offense. So if shit goes down and that's discovered, they are done.

Then they could just do that now with the current body cams. As other people have already said, the problem with police accountability and transparency is a systemic problem, not a tech issue.
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Honestly, the best way for the body cams to work would be for them to be handled purely from a remote location. If they're on duty/responding to a call, it's turned on by dispatch or some such, with no ability for them to turn it off outside of it being destroyed. IMO anyway.

A solution to "cop didn't have body camera turned on"

dont let them turn the fuckin thing off
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This idea would not work at all or do anything

Corrupt cops would just remove the camera before going for the gun

And good cops will still have other issues such as the camera being knocked off or whatever
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How big is the problem with police violence in the first place? Do we have reliable statistics saying it's such a large problem? It's not like innocent people getting gunned down by corrupt, disgusting people wearing the guise of protectors should be treated as a non-issue, but you'd think it's 20% of all police from how some people hold such anti-cop sentiments.

nemu posted...

How big is the problem with police violence in the first place? Do we have reliable statistics saying it's such a large problem?

Interestingly we have reliable statistics saying violent crime and attacks on police goes up when body cams are mandatory.

But people very aggressively intentionally ignore that since they don't like it.
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BewmHedshot posted...

Just what cops need, more complicated gear.

Given that this requires literally no user effort, what is your excuse for this specimen of a statement quoted above?

A_A_Battery posted...

BewmHedshot posted...

Just what cops need, more complicated gear.

Given that this requires literally no user effort, what is your excuse for this specimen of a statement quoted above?

Something can be complicated and also not require user effort.

There are a bunch of reasons why some kind of trigger response system could fail to activate the camera.
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If your body camera goes off and a independent agency finds out that you cut it off yourself. Then that cop loses his or her job.

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Someone should make a version where the gun holster and body camera are connected.
If gun is not in the holster, the body camera automatically turns on.

That doesn't solve the problem at all when basically all context to the shooting is before the gun is out of the holster.

You'd be creating a situation where almost all of these things favor a narrative against the cop, because the video is just going to be starting with somebody getting shot.

Well then that you make them stop cutting the camera off.
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police officers should have next to no privacy while on the job. always on cameras are the way to go

if it's off, just assume they are lying.

treewojima posted...

police officers should have next to no privacy while on the job. always on cameras are the way to go

Is an unpragmatic emotional response that might "feel" good but will just cost a fortune and result in increased violent crime and probably deaths while doing close to nothing to curb bad cops.
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RoboLaserGandhi posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Someone should make a version where the gun holster and body camera are connected.
If gun is not in the holster, the body camera automatically turns on.

That doesn't solve the problem at all when basically all context to the shooting is before the gun is out of the holster.

You'd be creating a situation where almost all of these things favor a narrative against the cop, because the video is just going to be starting with somebody getting shot.

You figured out TC's purpose for making this topic.
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It should just always be on as long as the cop is on duty.
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Also maybe give the off button a 30 second timer. (it takes 30 seconds to stop recording)

Another could be to turn off the camera before a bathroom requires the camera to see the bathroom door sign (99% camera on time, the 1% need to be met with checks later on) and then it turns on automatically in 15 minutes max. (could be lower)

Banjo2553 posted...

RoboLaserGandhi posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Someone should make a version where the gun holster and body camera are connected.
If gun is not in the holster, the body camera automatically turns on.

That doesn't solve the problem at all when basically all context to the shooting is before the gun is out of the holster.

You'd be creating a situation where almost all of these things favor a narrative against the cop, because the video is just going to be starting with somebody getting shot.

You figured out TC's purpose for making this topic.

I see no where where the TC said the camera is ONLY on when he unholsters his gun. Maybe the cop should be recording anyway.
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Make it so police whose body cams are not on when about to interact/confront somebody they can get fined/charged. So better make sure you turn yours on or you could get in trouble.

a real solution...there should be consequences or fines if a cop voluntarily turns off or blocks their camera while on patrol. i completely understand being able to shut it off if they're on lunch or using the restroom, but it should immediately turned back on as soon as they get back on the job. If not, face consequences.
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Or, you know, they could just all be forced to have their cameras on at all times. No exceptions.
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Or as my lawyer friend suggested, treat it like evidence tampering. If the body camera isn't on at the time of the shooting then the jury should assume criminal intent just like if a defendant destroyed evidence the jury is instructed to assume it was very bad for the defendant.
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The camera should turn on only after the gun has been fired.
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I have an easy solution. If a cop kills someone and doesnt have their body cam on then they are charged with murder. That would make sure they always keep them on.

Of course law makers arent interested in keeping police accountable so sadly this will never happen.
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Always on and if they take it off, turn it off, or turn it away they pay a $3000 fine.
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Easier thing is to just not have a way to turn them off.
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TheBiggerWiggle posted...

I have an easy solution. If a cop kills someone and doesnt have their body cam on then they are charged with murder. That would make sure they always keep them on.

Of course law makers arent interested in keeping police accountable so sadly this will never happen.

So if a cop rolls up on a seemingly mundane situation and some guy unexpectedly pulls a gun on the cop, beforehand the cop having no reason to turn on his body camera, the cop should be charged with murder because..."fuck pigs"?

DiScOrD tHe LuNaTiC posted...

Easier thing is to just not have a way to turn them off.

The "can't turn them off" thing doesn't work because cops need to take shits just like anyone else. Can't record that.

Grischnak posted...

So if a cop rolls up on a seemingly mundane situation and some guy unexpectedly pulls a gun on the cop, beforehand the cop having no reason to turn on his body camera, the cop should be charged with murder because..."fuck pigs"?

"No reason". it should never be off.
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UnfairRepresent posted...

treewojima posted...

police officers should have next to no privacy while on the job. always on cameras are the way to go

Is an unpragmatic emotional response that might "feel" good but will just cost a fortune and result in increased violent crime and probably deaths while doing close to nothing to curb bad cops.

In what situation does your run of the mill cop need to turn their body cameras off?
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TheVipaGTS posted...

"No reason". it should never be off.

I like how you ignored the second part of my post where i explicitly explain why body cams need the ability to turn off. Moreover, even putting that aside your premise doesn't work. There are completely reasonable reasons to turn off body cams. For example, some witnesses will not talk to cops if they have body cams on because they want anonymity.

how many cops are getting rolled up on while they're taking a shit as you said? If they're in uniform and out in public, it should be on. there is no reason to turn it off in those situations.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Someone should make a version where the gun holster and body camera are connected.
If gun is not in the holster, the body camera automatically turns on.

alternative:

Someone should make a version where the gun and body camera are connected.
If the body camera is not on, the gun doesn't fire.
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Grischnak posted...

TheBiggerWiggle posted...
I have an easy solution. If a cop kills someone and doesnt have their body cam on then they are charged with murder. That would make sure they always keep them on.

Of course law makers arent interested in keeping police accountable so sadly this will never happen.

So if a cop rolls up on a seemingly mundane situation and some guy unexpectedly pulls a gun on the cop, beforehand the cop having no reason to turn on his body camera, the cop should be charged with murder because..."fuck pigs"?

The problem with your logic is that most of the videos weve seen over the last few years is that most start as mundane situations and then the police escalate it to murder. It has nothing to do with fuck pigs and everything to do with accountability. They certainly deserve the right to turn them off for taking a shit but beyond that those cameras should never be off.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

how many cops are getting rolled up on while they're taking a shit as you said? If they're in uniform and out in public, it should be on. there is no reason to turn it off in those situations.

Your ability to read my post and then ignore the part of it that directly addresses your point is amazing. As I said, not all victims/witnesses will talk to police if they have a body cam on. Guess police just shouldn't talk to them in your world? Moreover, there are informants to consider. Think most informants want to be recorded? I'm thinking no. I think that generally speaking they should have them on most of the time but to stand there and shout "THEY SHOULD NEVER TURN THEM OFF AND IF THEY DO THEY SHOULD GO TO PRISON FOREVER!!!" is just absurd.

Looked gf posted...

BewmHedshot posted...

Just what pigs need, more complicated gear.

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Well, at the very least the soultion in the op could prove a cop was shooting a guy unarmed or running away could it not?

At least they cannot write

"He lunged at me with a knife"

Or

"He aimed his gun at me!"

Since camera goes on as soon as gun is removed from holster.

Sure, some context is lost.

It is not the be all end all solution

But does it not prevent said cases?
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