Poll of the Day > ITT I try to convince Nade Duck (and anyone else) to play Final Fantasy XIV

(+) Yeah! (+)

WoW is dead, there's no denying it. It's time to jump ship.

First of all, a new expansion pack is just weeks away

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There's going to be a high fantasy feel to Shadowbringers, there's going to be pixies, dwarves, Nu Mou from Ivalice, all that goodness. Two new playable races, Viera from the Ivalice games, and Hrothgar(which are more or less just Ronso from FFX). Two new Jobs, Gunbreaker is a tank, it's going to use Gunblades from FFVIII. And Dancer is going to be a support ranged dps. Dancer sounds really fun! You pick a dancing partner and dance at them to buff the hell out of them.
If you want dragons, there might be dragons, but the entirety of Heavensward was all about dragons, so they got you covered, fam.

The level cap is raising to 80, and with that a whole bunch of new skills and actions are coming

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Some highlights: Dark Knight is getting completely reworked. It's getting some classic dark knight skills like Dark Wave, and it's getting a stand that mimics your actions, and can even tank for you briefly. Ninja is also getting a stand that again copies your actions, but this should help make playing ninja even funner since it makes for a big burst period. Machinist is getting completely reworked, and is turning more into a greedy dps. It's also getting a bunch of Edgar's tools from FFVI, so hey it'll actually be recognizably FF finally. Summoner is getting a new summon, Phoenix! I don't know anything about summoner, but that should be all kinds of awesome. And my favorite class, Dragoon is getting more, faster Jumps, and even longer combos.

Next, FFXIV is very story heavy, and while everything is usually locked behind completing the story, it's very well written, and it's clearly planned out years in advance. Some big story points that happened in the post expansion content of Heavensward are coming to the forefront in Shadowbringers, and it has huge implications for the overall lore, history and story of the game. Also, Omega Weapon was mentioned several times throughout A Realm Reborn, then it comes back at the end of Heavensward and it lead to one of the top 10 anime battles of all time.

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And speaking of awesome, they even want you to get pumped for regular content patches. Case in point, the 4.2 trailer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1tABKPBlJs" data-time=" This is coming off of the first savage tier of SB, which ended on Neo Exdeath, which is 12 minutes of pure awesome, and Unending Coils which was the first Ultimate tier they ever made, and it was 20 minutes of a pants-shittingly brutal dance of mechanics. And now we get to fight KEFKA FUCKING PALAZZO?! People were losing their minds. Oh, and there's no PTR. The trailers are the only clues we get to what new raid fights will be. When content patches drop, EVERYONE gets to experience everything for the first time together. And in ShB, Testuya Nomura is designing the 8-man raid series, and Yoko Taro is designing the 24-man series. And, yes, the 24-man series is 100% based on NieR.

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And, really the developers love and care about this game just as much as the fans do. When the fans want something, they listen. At fanfest a few months ago, fans asked for certain quality of life features, and the devs are delivering https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/blog/002775.html And, they even hold contests for fans to design new housing items and gear sets, then the devs pick their favorites and put them in the game. And look, the devs will put on rock shows at fanfest

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxTF_jG6dac" data-time=" They're not up there talking about quantifying fun or some shit like Blizz, they're celebrating just as much as the fans are.
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And really I'm just scratching the surface here. They're constantly adding new things. They pump out a major patch every 3 and a half months so.

Also I play in the Aether data center, on Gilgamesh. Here's me: https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/character/9511421/

Ignore the bunny suit, the casino event Make it Rain is on, so I had to. Normally I wear heavy plate mail lol
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No need to convince me, it's a great game. Just give me 15 dollars.

He'll I'll go nuts-for every 15 dollars you give me, I'll play another month.
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Don't do it Nade. Don't give in to all the terrible lies.


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You can't handle the truth
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One of my coworkers plays this. I might check it out
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"WoW is dead, so instead of getting a life why not play a shitty WoW clone"
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I really want to try it, but I only really have an Xbox at the moment. But even then subscription games are awful and outdated.

subscription based games like these just seem like relics now, ok?
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Aculo posted...

subscription based games like these just seem like relics now, ok?

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Blightzkrieg posted...

"WoW is dead, so instead of getting a life why not play a shitty WoW clone"

Bligh you know you want to join us.
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i've been so bored waiting for shadowbringers that i'm actually playing destiny 2 again
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TheWitchMorgana posted...

i've been so bored waiting for shadowbringers that i'm actually playing destiny 2 again

omg poor you, ok?
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@Nade_Duck Where you at my boy
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hey papercup my group started raiding a month ago and we cleared o12s a week ago are we cool beans yet
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hi
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agesboy posted...

hey papercup my group started raiding a month ago and we cleared o12s a week ago are we cool beans yet

My group is working on Hello World 2. lol I did do Delta Savage when it was current, then I just didn't have a group for Sigma and most of Alpha.
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half of our raid group is completely new, and the last time I raided in xiv was around t10 in arr and i've never healed in xiv (but i had been in wow for a few tiers)

hello world 2 has been an experience.........

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/435599014 i'm the sch
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Nicely done, grats on the clear!

Also tell your WAR that for maximum memeage they need to put low blow below provoke
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Someone pay for the pc version of Stormblood and/or Shadowbringers for me? (lol not likely I know)
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The launch trailer was just shown at E3. it contains MASSIVE spoilers. Like, I kinda can't believe they put this thing in the trailer.
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Here we go, I found the full English trailer without the crowd screaming finally lol.

BIG ASS SPOILERS

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I'm up to the Tsukoyomi battle in Stormblood. Not much more and I'll be caught up for Shadowbringers.
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papercup posted...

Blightzkrieg posted...

"WoW is dead, so instead of getting a life why not play a shitty WoW clone"

Bligh you know you want to join us.

I dont even play video games anymore.

The only game I'm gonna play this year is that shitty grey jedi OC trash EA is putting out.
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Blightzkrieg posted...

papercup posted...

Blightzkrieg posted...

"WoW is dead, so instead of getting a life why not play a shitty WoW clone"

Bligh you know you want to join us.

I dont even play video games anymore.

The only game I'm gonna play this year is that shitty grey jedi OC trash EA is putting out.

I mean instead of playing that you could play a Final Fantasy XIV

Also looks like the Shadowbringers raid is based on Final Fantasy VIII
https://i.redd.it/jbneohasvm331.png
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Looks like shit.

Raganork posted...

Looks like shit.

wrong
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Raganork posted...

Looks like shit.

Why you gotta be that way
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btw Yoshi-P is afk on Midgardsormr in Kugane right now lol
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New dungeons trailer

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is that disney world?
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Eh, I already have one MMO to be bored and afk in

Nade Duck posted...

is that disney world?

The burning town? Yes
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I mean I am thinking about resubbing for Shadowbringers but I probably will stop as soon as WoW Classic comes out. Gotta do those sweet BRD runs.

Also Nade Duck

https://i.gyazo.com/d1437cfc01118a7b33b78ce6403e38ef.jpg

hohohohohohohohoho got our 8 clears we're done till the 30th

what server were yall on btw

i'm on hyperion (primal)
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FFXIV is lame because every class is basically a cookie cutter skin of one of three real "classes", tank, healer, and dps. Basically any tank class is replaceable with any other tank class, any healer class can substitute for another healer class, etc. No true class variety. After discovering this, it kind of turned me off from the game.

Also, to highlight the rigidity of the fact that any new job HAS to fit into one of the three archetypes, they made bards and dancers DPS in this game. Seems silly to completely kill the identity of a job just so you can force it into the "tank/healer/dps" triangle.

Millea posted...

I mean I am thinking about resubbing for Shadowbringers but I probably will stop as soon as WoW Classic comes out. Gotta do those sweet BRD runs.

Also Nade Duck

milley? :<
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agesboy posted...

https://i.gyazo.com/d1437cfc01118a7b33b78ce6403e38ef.jpg

hohohohohohohohoho got our 8 clears we're done till the 30th

what server were yall on btw

i'm on hyperion (primal)

Grats!

I'm on Gilgamesh(Aether)

So my raid group really only has 4 core people. We still haven't cleared Final because 1) Pugs are bad and 2) Pugs are BAD. Even when we pull people in who have clears, they have to learn the pug strats, and then we can't clear because "their way is better" or some bullshit. No. When you clicked "Join Party" and the PF says "Pug strats" you're telling us "I agree to do things your way".
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miki_sauvester posted...

FFXIV is lame because every class is basically a cookie cutter skin of one of three real "classes", tank, healer, and dps. Basically any tank class is replaceable with any other tank class, any healer class can substitute for another healer class, etc. No true class variety. After discovering this, it kind of turned me off from the game.

this was less so before but absolutely so in shadowbringers with healers, it makes me really sad

scholars are losing like 80% of their damaging toolkit including their most used aetherflow ability energy drain...

papercup posted...

So my raid group really only has 4 core people. We still haven't cleared Final because 1) Pugs are bad and 2) Pugs are BAD. Even when we pull people in who have clears, they have to learn the pug strats, and then we can't clear because "their way is better" or some bullshit. No. When you clicked "Join Party" and the PF says "Pug strats" you're telling us "I agree to do things your way".

yeah, my raid group has tried messing with pugs in wow and we all agree thats trash and we'd rather just take the day off if someone's missing and we can't get a replacement we personally know

my group literally does things inverted from pug strats (in HW healers run left dps run right to drop defamations) but meh its still fundamentally the same thing and we run no pugs so we have no problems
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miki_sauvester posted...

Also, to highlight the rigidity of the fact that any new job HAS to fit into one of the three archetypes, they made bards and dancers DPS in this game. Seems silly to completely kill the identity of a job just so you can force it into the "tank/healer/dps" triangle.

Great point. To add, all gear progression in this game is vertical in nature - that is, the only function of gear is to increase your various numbers, so as a consequence there will always be a best in slot. The game does not encourage build diversity; it stifles it. Every class will always have optimal gear and an optimal rotation. A black mage cannot specialize in either fire or ice spells; every single black mage will follow the same rotation. What, then, separates two players playing the same job?

Worse, what separates one melee dps from another when damage output takes precedence over utility? You run a parser, see which jobs have the greatest damage output, and create the exact same party compositions for raid progression as everyone else. Every raid group will look the same and act the same. Since thats the case, why have jobs at all?

This new expansion is planning to homogenize jobs further - an attempt to lessen the communitys attachment to preferred jobs for raids. Due to the nature of skill properties and combos, this is a goal that is impossible to reach without distilling the game to exactly three jobs and eliminating the rest. Square Enixs stubborn adherence to the formulaic 2 tanks/2 healers/4 dps party composition is stifling game design and creativity. And people have argued with me throughout the years that they dont care - the game is fun, and theyre having fun playing dress up. Its one thing to appreciate a game for its depth of cosmetic customization, but when I play a computer game, Im looking for gameplay depth, which to say FFXIV lacks is an understatement.

Raganork posted...

What, then, separates two players playing the same job?

skill and experience

Raganork posted...

Worse, what separates one melee dps from another when damage output takes precedence over utility? You run a parcer, see which jobs have the greatest damage output, and create the exact same party compositions for raid progression as everyone else. Every raid group will look the same and act the same. Since thats the case, why have jobs at all?

this realistically only an issue for people trying to clear day 1 undergeared; no fights in xiv are actually overtuned to the point where composition actually matters all that much. fights are designed around handling mechanics correctly, mitigating at the right times, and healing at the right times efficiently. raw numbers will generally not be the reason for failure.

of course, some jobs just feel like absolute ass and nobody wants to play them sometimes. in no world should one button on a *tank* with a 30s recast eclipse the culmination of a machinist's entire burst phase that they revolve their entire rotation around. https://puu.sh/DDuXa.png
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Oh here, I do have this guy.
https://imgur.com/a/xavTlCA

So I swear I can do Savage. lol I actually cleared a4s and a12s at the end of HW, and I did o4s when it was still current.
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Does 14 not have support classes at all? Just asking from what the other guy said about there only being 3 roles for classes

There's no dedicated support/buffing/debuffing role, no. Most classes have varying levels of party support (samurai has no support but is pure damage; bard/machinist have lower dps but high mobility and more support), but at the end of the day you're either damaging, healing, or tanking.

If you want esoteric but vital support roles, FFXI is still kicking. Every party pretty much needs a corsair (role the dice for different magnitudes on buffs), bard (song buffs), and geomancer (buffs/debuffs specific stats by proximity) in the current meta. And while they might open skillchains, pull/debuff mobs, etc, their damage doesn't actually matter too much.

There's no pure support in XIV because everything is tightly designed. FFXI literally had unclearable fights that people spent days STRAIGHT fighting before people passed out from exhaustion. They weren't nearly as concerned with balance.
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ReggieTheReckless posted...

Does 14 not have support classes at all? Just asking from what the other guy said about there only being 3 roles for classes

No there are support-like classes, they're just lumped into DPS. But there is no pure support role.
Dragoon
Bard
Ninja
Red Mage all have support utility.
and Summoner can heal and rez
Machinist can use some of the same support abilities Bard can

And of course healers can do things beyond heal. Like Astrologian has buff cards it can give people to attack faster or deal more damage or whatever. But sadly these are kinda getting nerfed in ShB. I wish they took it the other way and made the cards more interesting.

And in Shadowbringers Dancer will be support.
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which class has the best outfits in today's skimpy focused meta
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Dancer has you covered

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I don't think dancer's support capabilities will be any more impactful than other ranged dps, though.

Current meta is basically just don't repeat dps classes, don't use machinist if possible, run astrologian plus scholar, and run paladin plus warrior. My group cleared the current standard hard endgame raid with machinist and dark knight though. No one class is especially op, and you're encouraged to use a variety.

Also, as an addendum to what I said before, almost every class but samurai, white mage, and black mage (iirc on the last two anyways) has some kind of unique (though, sometimes only stylistically so) support capability. Monk has brotherhood, red mage has embolden, ninja has trick attack, summoner has both a buff and a debuff depending on pet out, bard has foes requiem, scholar has chain stratagem, astrologian has cards, machinist has hypercharge, etc. How good each one is varies, though. Like hypercharge is ass compared to trick attack.

You want different classes so you can synchronize these support buffs to happen at the same time and multiply their effectiveness.
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