Poll of the Day > MAGA Alert: Captain America reacts to guys throwing 'Straight Pride' Parade...

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darkknight109 posted...

Noop_Noop posted...

you do understand that not having shame, and having pride are two very different things right? pride is something you should have in your accomplishments, and unless we are suddenly taking the stance that being gay IS a choice, then its not an accomplishment.

For whatever reason, I don't think "Gay Contentment Parade" has quite the same ring to it.

how about "Gay Rights Pride Parade"?

not gonna lie, when i hear myself say it, i like it a lot more. they overcame adversity and some hateful ignorant people and they should be proud of that because THAT is a fucking accomplishment.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

That's not how it's presented.

It is if you pay attention. Again, try to keep up.

Krazy_Kirby posted...

if you can't be proud to be straight then whats left?
ashamed?
embarrassed?

Ambivalent? Perhaps relieved, since it means you're extremely unlikely to ever face any sort of hardship as a consequence of your orientation? It's not really something that warrants a particularly active emotional response. It's simply a part of who you are that doesn't deviate sufficiently from the status quo to have any remarkable impact on your life.

Noop_Noop posted...

singling out anything that youre born with is indeed stupid. you should be proud of what you accomplish.

Hence everything else I've posted in this topic.

Noop_Noop posted...

you do understand that not having shame, and having pride are two very different things right? pride is something you should have in your accomplishments, and unless we are suddenly taking the stance that being gay IS a choice, then its not an accomplishment.

Shame and pride are opposite ends of a spectrum. If you're not being ashamed of something when you're being told to, then you're having more pride than is expected of you, therefore you are relatively proud. Not feeling shame when the world around you tries to force you to can also definitely qualify as an accomplishment worthy of pride in a more absolute sense, though obviously that's going to depend on exactly why people want you to feel ashamed (e.g. Hitler should have been ashamed of Hitlering).

Really, though, the word choice doesn't matter. Gay Pride's existence serves to inspire and comfort LGBT people living in fear of coming out or feeling despair over how their life is going by showing them that there is a supportive community out there that has experienced the same things they have and overcome them. Diminishing that because the word "pride" might not technically be the most accurate term to use is a level of self-gratifying pedantry that even I can't get behind.

pionear posted...

Do you think it's a homophobic thing for them to do? (Poll Question)

Not sure how it would be. It's more getting at the need to feel pride in ones sexuality and feeling the need to tell everyone about it not the sexuality itself. It's however ignorant.
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EvilMegas posted...

Why would you need to be other than to throw it in gray people's face?

Those fucking Grays deserve it, abducting our cows and probing our anuses!
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darkknight109 posted...

Or that string of businesses that insists its their right to refuse to serve straight people?

If a dude says "sorry, we don't serve straight people" the obvious reply is to offer to suck his peen.
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So people who dont give a shit about other peoples sexuality are automatically bigots for not caring?
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LeetCheet posted...

So people who dont give a shit about other peoples sexuality are automatically bigots for not caring?

If theyre throwing counter-parades its hard to say they dont care

It seems like theyre fundamentally bothered by the fact that gay pride even exists, despite the fact that its really only a thing because of the historic and modern bigotry towards people who arent straight.

The moment a minority group is told they cant express pride is the same moment other groups try to force them to be ashamed.
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There's like a 99% chance this straight-pride parade is snarky bullshit anti-gay people will use to get up on their soap boxes and pretend their existence somehow conflicts with homosexuals. If it's not, then I eat my words. But I doubt it.

But fuck Chris Evans still. He's super centrist and against anything that actually helps poor people while pretending he's progressive. He puts down politicians that want to do basic things like ending illegal US wars, so there's a reason we're hearing all these contrived articles about his brilliant political insight. It's like news outlets know young people hate them, so they have to find someone every hipster and their mother loves.

"Homophobes bad, racists bad. Privatized healthcare good"

He's a butterface too. As in, "She's good looking everywhere but her face."

It's better than Robert's opinion at least, which is literally "I'm a Republican because the drug war is bad"
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I think most people are just getting sick of hearing about gay pride and all that.

I mean, yeah it used to be bad for homosexuals but its much better now.
And being told how bigoted you are for not caring enough are getting on many peoples nerves.

Not aimed at anyone here, but no one wants to hear about how more morally superior they are than you.
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LeetCheet posted...

I think most people are just getting sick of hearing about gay pride and all that.

I mean, yeah it used to be bad for homosexuals but its much better now.
And being told how bigoted you are for not caring enough are getting on many peoples nerves.

Not aimed at anyone here, but no one wants to hear about how more morally superior they are than you.

Who exactly is calling anyone a bigot for not caring about pride parades

People get upset about the dumbest things nowadays
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_AdjI_ posted...

Really, though, the word choice doesn't matter.

Wording is extremely important.

_AdjI_ posted...

Gay Pride's existence serves to inspire and comfort LGBT people living in fear of coming out or feeling despair over how their life is going by showing them that there is a supportive community out there that has experienced the same things they have and overcome them.

Yeah um, personally I don't feel supported by gayness being represented as extremely flamboyant guys expressing in the most attention-seeking way possible. It's a horrible stereotype I don't want associated with me.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

Gay Pride's existence serves to inspire and comfort LGBT people living in fear of coming out or feeling despair over how their life is going by showing them that there is a supportive community out there that has experienced the same things they have and overcome them.

Yeah um, personally I don't feel supported by gayness being represented as extremely flamboyant guys expressing in the most attention-seeking way possible. It's a horrible stereotype I don't want associated with me.

There's also a lot of people just wearing normal clothes, too. Maybe sometimes, they;ll get a hat or face painting or something. Like you would do at a fair. But people do dress normally there, too. Usually, people most see the ones dressing up because they are the ones who are more fun to take pictures of.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

_AdjI_ posted...
Really, though, the word choice doesn't matter.

Wording is extremely important.

Coming from a pedantic fucker like adjl that is a goddamn joke. This kinda shit is why I usually just skim past his posts. Dude just like to flap around whichever way the wind blows. That's what happens when most of the dog shit you post is copied off of Wikipedia.

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/07/gay-couple-beaten-refusing-kiss-mens-entertainment-9854367/

If you're still confused why Pride is a thing then just accept your brain is weak and stupid and move on.
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FinalFantasyIV posted...

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/07/gay-couple-beaten-refusing-kiss-mens-entertainment-9854367/

If you're still confused why Pride is a thing then just accept your brain is weak and stupid and move on.

Nobody said that though dum dum. God you guys really do love your strawmans dont you.

They implied it multiple times the state of being you were born is nothing to be proud of, stupid stupid. You love your denial of reality don't you?
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FinalFantasyIV posted...

https://metro.co.uk/2019/06/07/gay-couple-beaten-refusing-kiss-mens-entertainment-9854367/

If you're still confused why Pride is a thing then just accept your brain is weak and stupid and move on.

Wanting to see lesbians kiss isn't homophobic. It's a brutal attack, but it's standard london thuggery.
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LinkPizza posted...

There's also a lot of people just wearing normal clothes, too. Maybe sometimes, they;ll get a hat or face painting or something. Like you would do at a fair. But people do dress normally there, too. Usually, people most see the ones dressing up because they are the ones who are more fun to take pictures of.

The ones dressing up are the public face of gay pride.

It's hard to say "we're normal!" while being outrageously camp.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Wanting to see lesbians kiss isn't homophobic. It's a brutal attack, but it's standard london thuggery.

Wow a semantic argument. Done with you brainlets. Naruto is fuckin lame too.
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FinalFantasyIV posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Wanting to see lesbians kiss isn't homophobic. It's a brutal attack, but it's standard london thuggery.

Wow a semantic argument. Done with you brainlets. Naruto is fuckin lame too.

It's hardly semantic. It's like how everything bad that happens to a black person isn't racist and every bad thing to happen to a woman isn't the patriarchy.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

There's also a lot of people just wearing normal clothes, too. Maybe sometimes, they;ll get a hat or face painting or something. Like you would do at a fair. But people do dress normally there, too. Usually, people most see the ones dressing up because they are the ones who are more fun to take pictures of.

The ones dressing up are the public face of gay pride.

It's hard to say "we're normal!" while being outrageously camp.

Except people know that some will be dressed up for the parade. They know that the public face they see doesnt represent everyone. Because, just like with any group, its hard for a single person, or small group, to represent everyone.
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FinalFantasyIV posted...

They implied it multiple times the state of being you were born is nothing to be proud of, stupid stupid. You love your denial of reality don't you?

So wait, you DO think people should be proud of the things they are born with? So this straight pride parade is no problem to you, right?

I'm trying to figure out what the fuck you are trying to say. Maybe stop frothing at the mouth long enough to write a coherent post?

FinalFantasyIV posted...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Wanting to see lesbians kiss isn't homophobic. It's a brutal attack, but it's standard london thuggery.

Wow a semantic argument. Done with you brainlets. Naruto is fuckin lame too.

Words are important when youre trying to get people to accept and understand you, you donkey.

LinkPizza posted...

Except people know that some will be dressed up for the parade.

Still not appropriate to dress up as the homophobes boogeyman, it's a bad image.

LinkPizza posted...

. They know that the public face they see doesnt represent everyone.

You think too highly of people, the Republicans are Trump, Hilary is the democrats, Bernie is Socialism incarnate, etc., etc., etc..

What you show is what people see, and since homosexuality is invisible, what you see are the hyper camp representatives (and aggressive LGBT activists to an extent).

LinkPizza posted...

just like with any group, its hard for a single person, or small group, to represent everyone.

It is hard, which is why we are supposed to pick our representatives carefully and try to hold them to a higher standard. If you are poorly represented then your image is harmed, so it's very important to control your image with quality representatives.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Wording is extremely important.

Not when it's a concept that's going to require clarification no matter how carefully you word a snappy title.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Yeah um, personally I don't feel supported by gayness being represented as extremely flamboyant guys expressing in the most attention-seeking way possible. It's a horrible stereotype I don't want associated with me.

The people that form those stereotypes based on a handful of the most extreme people seen in a celebratory parade that happens once a year are going to form those stereotypes regardless, because frankly, they aren't bright enough to have a more nuanced opinion. The fact that people can be that flamboyant is exactly what Pride is celebrating, so it's only natural that that freedom is exercised.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Wanting to see lesbians kiss isn't homophobic. It's a brutal attack, but it's standard london thuggery.

Can you reasonably say that the same group would have similarly attacked a straight couple? If not, then it was a homophobic attack, since it was done on the basis of their sexuality.

Noop_Noop posted...

Nobody said that though dum dum.

That they're confused why Pride is a thing? The mere existence of "straight pride" represents people being confused why Pride is a thing, and those who don't understand the difference are similarly confused.

_AdjI_ posted...

Not when it's a concept that's going to require clarification no matter how carefully you word a snappy title.

No.

_AdjI_ posted...

The people that form those stereotypes based on a handful of the most extreme people seen in a celebratory parade that happens once a year are going to form those stereotypes regardless, because frankly, they aren't bright enough to have a more nuanced opinion. The fact that people can be that flamboyant is exactly what Pride is celebrating, so it's only natural that that freedom is exercised.

These are stereotypes older than any expression of gay pride, let alone the parades. The stereotypes were preexisting and the parades reinforced them.

I also don't see how you intend to end homophobia when you consider homophobes too stupid to think.

_AdjI_ posted...

Can you reasonably say that the same group would have similarly attacked a straight couple? If not, then it was a homophobic attack, since it was done on the basis of their sexuality.

On a straight couple they would've just hit on the woman directly. This may surprise you but straight men are attracted to women, and sociopaths commit sex crimes casually.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

No.

Then by all means, please explain how "Google" and "Amazon" have managed to become successful with such non-representative titles in a world where wording is so extremely important.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

I also don't see how you intend to end homophobia when you consider homophobes too stupid to think.

By surrounding them with people who consider them to be completely and utterly wrong until they either get tired of being so wrong and change their minds, or die as a lonely and bitter old person that nobody likes. Homophobes that aren't too stupid to think stop being homophobes the second they start thinking. The only ones left are idiots, and can be treated accordingly: strip them of any power they might have had and leave them to rot.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

On a straight couple they would've just hit on the woman directly.

Meaning their treatment of their victims changed because of their victims' sexuality. Whee!

_AdjI_ posted...

Then by all means, please explain how "Google" and "Amazon" have managed to become successful with such non-representative titles in a world where wording is so extremely important.

No preexisting relevant meaning in the case of Google, while Amazon is a neat name for a company selling all kinds of stuff you don't normally see from the outside world.

_AdjI_ posted...

By surrounding them with people who consider them to be completely and utterly wrong until they either get tired of being so wrong and change their minds, or die as a lonely and bitter old person that nobody likes. Homophobes that aren't too stupid to think stop being homophobes the second they start thinking. The only ones left are idiots, and can be treated accordingly: strip them of any power they might have had and leave them to rot.

All that ostracizng a group like that does is lead to a violent rebellion. When communication breaks down you get fighting, and you're dragging gay people on to the front lines to spew your dehumanising hatred.

_AdjI_ posted...

Meaning their treatment of their victims changed because of their victims' sexuality. Whee!

The treatment is the same, playthings for the group, but different people call for different actions.

If there was two men they'd just mug them as there's no sexual interest, do you consider that sexist because straight men get nothing out of men making out?
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

No preexisting relevant meaning in the case of Google

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googol

Kyuubi4269 posted...

while Amazon is a neat name for a company selling all kinds of stuff you don't normally see from the outside world

And also not what the word "Amazon" actually means, which was exactly adjl's point.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

All that ostracizng a group like that does is lead to a violent rebellion.

Weird, then, how a century of social progress in the developed world over gay rights has led to precisely zero violent rebellions.

Pandering to hate has literally never worked. You stand up and fight it and sooner or later all but a lunatic fringe of the people standing by it realize it's a dumb view and abandon it. It worked that way for women's rights, it worked that way for black rights, it worked that way for LGBTQ rights.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If there was two men they'd just mug them as there's no sexual interest

Sounds like you've just laid out three different scenarios based on the sexual orientation of the victims.

Hmm.......
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darkknight109 posted...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Googol

The name is Google, it has no inherent meaning.

darkknight109 posted...

And also not what the word "Amazon" actually means, which was exactly adjl's point.

It casts an image in the right direction, there's no room for confusion. Gay Pride that is explicitly not about pride in gay is misleading.

darkknight109 posted...

Weird, then, how a century of social progress in the developed world over gay rights has led to precisely zero violent rebellions.

It's as though society was progressing in that direction and appropriate exposure and communication swayed people.

darkknight109 posted...

Pandering to hate has literally never worked. You stand up and fight it and sooner or later all but a lunatic fringe of the people standing by it realize it's a dumb view and abandon it. It worked that way for women's rights, it worked that way for black rights, it worked that way for LGBTQ rights.

Dehumanising actions are hateful, you don't get to be a shit because shit things have happened to you.

darkknight109 posted...

Sounds like you've just laid out three different scenarios based on the sexual orientation of the victims.

Hmm.......

Yup, just as you would use he or she to refer to a man or woman respectively.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Still not appropriate to dress up as the homophobes boogeyman, it's a bad image.

I guess it depends on what the homophobes boogey man is...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

You think too highly of people, the Republicans are Trump, Hilary is the democrats, Bernie is Socialism incarnate, etc., etc., etc..

What you show is what people see, and since homosexuality is invisible, what you see are the hyper camp representatives (and aggressive LGBT activists to an extent).

That depends on the person. That view can change based on different things. Like if they know a gay person.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It is hard, which is why we are supposed to pick our representatives carefully and try to hold them to a higher standard. If you are poorly represented then your image is harmed, so it's very important to control your image with quality representatives.

Except we never really got to choose a representative. Not as a whole, at least, IIRC. Plus, just because people like their flashy costume doesn't mean they are out representative...
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LeetCheet posted...

I think most people are just getting sick of hearing about gay pride and all that.

Basically. Nothing to do with homophobia. Folk like to throw around words these days though so it's not a shock if some folk are calling it that.
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I don't have anything against gay pride, but if straight people aren't able to be proud of their sexuality, then it's not really equality

I also love that on their website theyre using the happy troll smiley and everyone is taking them so seriously.

Edit: Meant to post this in duckbears thread.
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So where's the blackjack and hookers?
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wwinterj25 posted...

LeetCheet posted...

I think most people are just getting sick of hearing about gay pride and all that.

Basically. Nothing to do with homophobia. Folk like to throw around words these days though so it's not a shock if some folk are calling it that.

People might have enough food to eat and not have to worry about dying from typhoid nowadays, but modern folks hear about politically correct things often enough that it annoys them. Each era has its own horrifying challenges to overcome.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

No preexisting relevant meaning in the case of Google, while Amazon is a neat name for a company selling all kinds of stuff you don't normally see from the outside world.

Both explanations are significantly more contrived than "Gay pride is pride in having endured and overcome the challenges associated with being openly gay." I think you might want to abandon that particular line of reasoning, lest you delve into ErikP levels of questionable argument strategies.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The treatment is the same, playthings for the group, but different people call for different actions.

So... the actions they take toward the victims change based on the victims' sexuality. Whee!

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's as though society was progressing in that direction and appropriate exposure and communication swayed people.

And society continues to progress in this direction and the issues are being appropriately exposed and communicated, swaying people. For people who genuinely don't understand Pride and are open to fixing that, the information is readily available even if it's not comprehensibly self-evident from the name (which, as we've established, is an unrealistic and unnecessary expectation). For those who want to be good people but don't understand how, the information's there. It's only people that refuse to understand the issue and have no interest in becoming better people that won't be able to figure it out, and even a comprehensively self-evident title wouldn't convince them because they wouldn't bother reading it.

There's no point trying to actively reach out to those people. Let them wallow in their ignorance. If they get tired of their hatred turning them into social pariahs, the option will continue to exist for them to learn why they're wrong, and there's no shortage of people in the world willing to help them with that (see: everyone in this topic clarifying what gay pride is for people that think straight pride is equivalent). If not, then they have nobody to blame for how unlikable they are but themselves.

Mead posted...

People might have enough food to eat and not have to worry about dying from typhoid nowadays, but modern folks hear about politically correct things often enough that it annoys them. Each era has its own horrifying challenges to overcome.

I don't know man. Folk throwing around words without actually using them in the right context has probably happened for longer than I've been alive. I just seem to notice it more these days.
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In regards to the straight pride parade...

Don't feed the trolls!
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