Current Events > One of my wife's family members fell for the Vector Marketing scam

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MC_BatCommander 06/04/19 3:59:49 PM #1:	Do you know anyone that got suckered by them? He hasn't made any money but claims he's on fast track to management, it's weird how willingly he believes their promises of big earnings. He doesn't seem to care at all that it's clearly a MLM scheme --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:922785893] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>Do you know anyone that got suckered by them? He hasn't made any money but claims he's on fast track to management, it's weird how willingly he believes their promises of big earnings. He doesn't seem to care at all that it's clearly a MLM scheme</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:05:31 PM #2:	You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922786140] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Goats 06/04/19 4:06:38 PM #3:	I just don't get how they trick anyone. I went to one of their meetings and it was just a total bongshow. Garbage everywhere. Drowning everyone in fake niceness. Could see the tape holding up signs, etc. They didn't even look professional yet everyone there but a few people were just eating it up. Someone said I should try it for a job once when I was in between jobs and got all angry and self righteous when I said it was a scam. --- Sigless user alert <cite>Goats posted [p:922786179] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>I just don't get how they trick anyone. I went to one of their meetings and it was just a total bongshow. Garbage everywhere. Drowning everyone in fake niceness. Could see the tape holding up signs, etc. They didn't even look professional yet everyone there but a few people were just eating it up. Someone said I should try it for a job once when I was in between jobs and got all angry and self righteous when I said it was a scam.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 06/04/19 4:07:47 PM #4:	Dunno how people still fall for that shit, especially Vector. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:922786225] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>Dunno how people still fall for that shit, especially Vector.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Prestoff 06/04/19 4:09:38 PM #5:	They trick people by going after the ones that need a job. --- It's what all true warriors strive for! Switch FC: SW-0575-4758-7878 <cite>Prestoff posted [p:922786300] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>They trick people by going after the ones that need a job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 06/04/19 4:09:57 PM #6:	I listened to something on NPR about them. Apparently 92% go into debt or just break even --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:922786316] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>I listened to something on NPR about them. Apparently 92% go into debt or just break even</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 06/04/19 4:10:21 PM #7:	karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. It definitely is --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:922786327] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> It definitely is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MrToothHasYou 06/04/19 4:10:22 PM #8:	karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. lmao --- http://weareontherun.bandcamp.com ^^^^^ HEY! ^^^ LISTEN! ^^^^^ <cite>MrToothHasYou posted [p:922786328] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> lmao</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:10:35 PM #9:	Smashingpmkns posted... Dunno how people still fall for that shit, especially Vector. There's nothing to fall for. You sell products, and you make money. People in general simply can't sell (or persuade others) and therefore do not make any money. It's a commission based job. Now if you sell a product or get someone under you who sells, and you're not getting paid, then its a scam. But that's not what's actually happening in most every case. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922786337] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Dunno how people still fall for that shit, especially Vector.</quote> There's nothing to fall for. You sell products, and you make money. People in general simply can't sell (or persuade others) and therefore do not make any money. It's a commission based job. Now if you sell a product or get someone under you who sells, and you're not getting paid, then its a scam. But that's not what's actually happening in most every case.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Guide 06/04/19 4:10:40 PM #10:	Smashingpmkns posted... Dunno how people still fall for that shit, especially Vector. Some people, despite having almost all information available and curated for free in their pocket, just don't bother to take a minute to scan for criticisms. --- [break the meta] https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU <cite>Guide posted [p:922786338] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Dunno how people still fall for that shit, especially Vector.</quote> Some people, despite having almost all information available and curated for free in their pocket, just don't bother to take a minute to scan for criticisms.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:11:23 PM #11:	MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. It definitely is Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922786370] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> It definitely is</quote> Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mister_Spyker 06/04/19 4:13:59 PM #12:	I have a friend who is into Herbalife and she makes some really good money. More than double the living wage. I'm not sure how much but she's really really successful and has a lot of other people working for her now. It's one of those things that is amazing for a very particular sort of person. Like very outgoing people who manage to really influence the people around them and are able to manage themselves. It's definitely not a business for your average Joe. Plus, she lost a lot of weight and looked amazing after she did Herbalife for some months. Most people should just stay away from it, tho, unless they like the products, in which case just buy them, but don't quit your dayjob. --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:922786476] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>I have a friend who is into Herbalife and she makes some really good money. More than double the living wage. I'm not sure how much but she's really really successful and has a lot of other people working for her now. It's one of those things that is amazing for a very particular sort of person. Like very outgoing people who manage to really influence the people around them and are able to manage themselves. It's definitely not a business for your average Joe. Plus, she lost a lot of weight and looked amazing after she did Herbalife for some months. Most people should just stay away from it, tho, unless they like the products, in which case just buy them, but don't quit your dayjob.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/04/19 4:15:38 PM #13:	"It's not a scam as long as you're the kind of person that can scam others harder than the jerk that got you involved scams you." --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say 'Golly gee, I can't do that" Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:922786553] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>"It's not a scam as long as you're the kind of person that can scam others harder than the jerk that got you involved scams you."</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PiOverlord 06/04/19 4:16:08 PM #14:	My college has their job postings listed everywhere. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 28, 500th posts: 2; PiO ATTN: 5 RotM wins 1, LETTEN MY ARROW FLYEN TRUE <cite>PiOverlord posted [p:922786570] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>My college has their job postings listed everywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 06/04/19 4:18:06 PM #15:	ThePrinceFish posted... "It's not a scam as long as you're the kind of person that can scam others harder than the jerk that got you involved scams you." Lol pretty much. There are plenty of real sales jobs with hourly wages and benefits, idk how MLMs are so successful in recruiting people --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:922786639] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePrinceFish posted...</cite> <quote>"It's not a scam as long as you're the kind of person that can scam others harder than the jerk that got you involved scams you."</quote> Lol pretty much. There are plenty of real sales jobs with hourly wages and benefits, idk how MLMs are so successful in recruiting people</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mister_Spyker 06/04/19 4:18:28 PM #16:	ThePrinceFish posted... "It's not a scam as long as you're the kind of person that can scam others harder than the jerk that got you involved scams you." If you're selling a product that works and people buy it, then I don't think it's a scam. I think the Herbalife diet works. I'm not sure how, but people who follow it strictly get amazing results. --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:922786656] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>ThePrinceFish posted...</cite> <quote>"It's not a scam as long as you're the kind of person that can scam others harder than the jerk that got you involved scams you."</quote> If you're selling a product that works and people buy it, then I don't think it's a scam. I think the Herbalife diet works. I'm not sure how, but people who follow it strictly get amazing results.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:18:31 PM #17:	Mister_Spyker posted... I have a friend who is into Herbalife and she makes some really good money. More than double the living wage. I'm not sure how much but she's really really successful and has a lot of other people working for her now. It's one of those things that is amazing for a very particular sort of person. Like very outgoing people who manage to really influence the people around them and are able to manage themselves. It's definitely not a business for your average Joe. Plus, she lost a lot of weight and looked amazing after she did Herbalife for some months. Most people should just stay away from it, tho, unless they like the products, in which case just buy them, but don't quit your dayjob. Good post. It takes a mental shift to work on commission and essentially be on your own, selling. Most people can't handle that. But that doesn't make it a scam. A lot of people simply don't have the skills required to succeed in that business model. The people who do, can flourish. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922786659] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote>I have a friend who is into Herbalife and she makes some really good money. More than double the living wage. I'm not sure how much but she's really really successful and has a lot of other people working for her now. It's one of those things that is amazing for a very particular sort of person. Like very outgoing people who manage to really influence the people around them and are able to manage themselves. It's definitely not a business for your average Joe. Plus, she lost a lot of weight and looked amazing after she did Herbalife for some months. Most people should just stay away from it, tho, unless they like the products, in which case just buy them, but don't quit your dayjob.</quote> Good post. It takes a mental shift to work on commission and essentially be on your own, selling. Most people can't handle that. But that doesn't make it a scam. A lot of people simply don't have the skills required to succeed in that business model. The people who do, can flourish.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 06/04/19 4:29:33 PM #18:	karlpilkington4 posted... MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. It definitely is Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait. How about you explain in detail how its not a scam first --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:922787058] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> It definitely is</quote> Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait.</quote> How about you explain in detail how its not a scam first</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 06/04/19 4:30:47 PM #19:	Can't think of many real commission jobs that require sales people themselves recruiting in order to stay afloat. There's a documentary on Herbalife called Betting on Zero that goes into detail on how many lives have been ruined. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:922787114] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>Can't think of many real commission jobs that require sales people themselves recruiting in order to stay afloat. There's a documentary on Herbalife called Betting on Zero that goes into detail on how many lives have been ruined.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Umbreon 06/04/19 4:33:10 PM #20:	thronedfire2 posted... How about you explain in detail how its not a scam first Do you believe the person you're speaking to is sincere? --- This is a mobile account, forgive any errors. ~DYL~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTEX3YdEi7s <cite>Umbreon posted [p:922787216] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote> How about you explain in detail how its not a scam first </quote> Do you believe the person you're speaking to is sincere?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ocelot51 06/04/19 4:34:14 PM #21:	Not all MLMs are scams but most of them are exploitative. A very, very small subset of people make anything resembling decent income and it definitely takes real work to get anywhere with it. A far cry from how they're portrayed in the ads. <cite>ocelot51 posted [p:922787264] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>Not all MLMs are scams but most of them are exploitative. A very, very small subset of people make anything resembling decent income and it definitely takes real work to get anywhere with it. A far cry from how they're portrayed in the ads.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mister_Spyker 06/04/19 4:34:28 PM #22:	Smashingpmkns posted... Can't think of many real commission jobs that require sales people themselves recruiting in order to stay afloat. There's a documentary on Herbalife called Betting on Zero that goes into detail on how many lives have been ruined. Yeah, made by a guy who hates Herbalife. --- Dear lord, Spyker just ripped his entire life apart in nothing more than a few paragraphs. Ouch... - RexSilver <cite>Mister_Spyker posted [p:922787275] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Can't think of many real commission jobs that require sales people themselves recruiting in order to stay afloat. There's a documentary on Herbalife called Betting on Zero that goes into detail on how many lives have been ruined.</quote> Yeah, made by a guy who hates Herbalife.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 06/04/19 4:35:55 PM #23:	karlpilkington4 posted... MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. It definitely is Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait. It's a few people profiting by mass recruitment of naive and untrained "contractors". Basically you "hire" anyone that walks in the door, give them minimal (and unpaid) sales training, then have them pay you a "deposit" on the product. Any industry where 90%+ of the employees don't make money is a scam in my book --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:922787317] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> It definitely is</quote> Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait.</quote> It's a few people profiting by mass recruitment of naive and untrained "contractors". Basically you "hire" anyone that walks in the door, give them minimal (and unpaid) sales training, then have them pay you a "deposit" on the product. Any industry where 90%+ of the employees don't make money is a scam in my book</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:36:15 PM #24:	thronedfire2 posted... karlpilkington4 posted... MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. It definitely is Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait. How about you explain in detail how its not a scam first You sell their products, they pay you. If you get other people under you, and they sell, the company gives you a percentage of their sales too. How is any of that a scam? --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922787330] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> It definitely is</quote> Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait.</quote> How about you explain in detail how its not a scam first</quote> You sell their products, they pay you. If you get other people under you, and they sell, the company gives you a percentage of their sales too. How is any of that a scam?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 06/04/19 4:37:42 PM #25:	Mister_Spyker posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Can't think of many real commission jobs that require sales people themselves recruiting in order to stay afloat. There's a documentary on Herbalife called Betting on Zero that goes into detail on how many lives have been ruined. Yeah, made by a guy who hates Herbalife. It followed a Harvard graduate hedge fund manager, it was made by the dude who made Darfur Now. --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:922787390] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mister_Spyker posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Can't think of many real commission jobs that require sales people themselves recruiting in order to stay afloat. There's a documentary on Herbalife called Betting on Zero that goes into detail on how many lives have been ruined.</quote> Yeah, made by a guy who hates Herbalife.</quote> It followed a Harvard graduate hedge fund manager, it was made by the dude who made Darfur Now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:39:13 PM #26:	MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. It definitely is Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait. It's a few people profiting by mass recruitment of naive and untrained "contractors". Basically you "hire" anyone that walks in the door, give them minimal (and unpaid) sales training, then have them pay you a "deposit" on the product. Any industry where 90%+ of the employees don't make money is a scam in my book That doesn't make it a scam. There is a definition of scam, and "your book" is irrelevant to the actual definition. The amount of people failing at something is irrelevant to what makes something a scam or not. If you sell their products, they pay you. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922787451] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> It definitely is</quote> Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait.</quote> It's a few people profiting by mass recruitment of naive and untrained "contractors". Basically you "hire" anyone that walks in the door, give them minimal (and unpaid) sales training, then have them pay you a "deposit" on the product. Any industry where 90%+ of the employees don't make money is a scam in my book</quote> That doesn't make it a scam. There is a definition of scam, and "your book" is irrelevant to the actual definition. The amount of people failing at something is irrelevant to what makes something a scam or not. If you sell their products, they pay you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lincoln002 06/04/19 4:40:03 PM #27:	Mlms are no different than regular jobs, the thing about doing mlm that differs from doing other jobs is that you can build more skills doing mlm than being a cashier for instance. So the trade off you you don't get a comfy per hour rate cuz it's based on performance but you build skills that make you extremely valuable to almost any employer so if it doesn't work out you can go back to getting paid hourly or salary but with the mlm psychology to make you a more valuable employee. --- https://tinyurl.com/y8nh4ach <cite>lincoln002 posted [p:922787473] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>Mlms are no different than regular jobs, the thing about doing mlm that differs from doing other jobs is that you can build more skills doing mlm than being a cashier for instance. So the trade off you you don't get a comfy per hour rate cuz it's based on performance but you build skills that make you extremely valuable to almost any employer so if it doesn't work out you can go back to getting paid hourly or salary but with the mlm psychology to make you a more valuable employee.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 06/04/19 4:41:16 PM #28:	karlpilkington4 posted... MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. It definitely is Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait. It's a few people profiting by mass recruitment of naive and untrained "contractors". Basically you "hire" anyone that walks in the door, give them minimal (and unpaid) sales training, then have them pay you a "deposit" on the product. Any industry where 90%+ of the employees don't make money is a scam in my book That doesn't make it a scam. There is a definition of scam, and "your book" is irrelevant to the actual definition. The amount of people failing at something is irrelevant to what makes something a scam or not. If you sell their products, they pay you. Whatever you say man, I don't agree with you at all Any company that uses misleading recruiting tactics to make money definitely falls under the definition of scam, and Vector is for sure one of those. Idk about every MLM but Vector absolutely is one --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:922787525] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> It definitely is</quote> Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait.</quote> It's a few people profiting by mass recruitment of naive and untrained "contractors". Basically you "hire" anyone that walks in the door, give them minimal (and unpaid) sales training, then have them pay you a "deposit" on the product. Any industry where 90%+ of the employees don't make money is a scam in my book</quote> That doesn't make it a scam. There is a definition of scam, and "your book" is irrelevant to the actual definition. The amount of people failing at something is irrelevant to what makes something a scam or not. If you sell their products, they pay you.</quote> Whatever you say man, I don't agree with you at all Any company that uses misleading recruiting tactics to make money definitely falls under the definition of scam, and Vector is for sure one of those. Idk about every MLM but Vector absolutely is one</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 06/04/19 4:42:22 PM #29:	I've seen enough dudes renting fancy cars and clothes to project an aura of success to groups of rubes, I mean prospective "partners", to know that multilevel marketing is the biggest fucking scam imaginable. --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say 'Golly gee, I can't do that" Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:922787566] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>I've seen enough dudes renting fancy cars and clothes to project an aura of success to groups of rubes, I mean prospective "partners", to know that multilevel marketing is the biggest fucking scam imaginable.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Benify 06/04/19 4:45:32 PM #30:	So what do they sell? --- Certified Scorpion, Erron Black, and Noob Saibot expert in MK11. <cite>Benify posted [p:922787703] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>So what do they sell?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:46:18 PM #31:	MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. It definitely is Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait. It's a few people profiting by mass recruitment of naive and untrained "contractors". Basically you "hire" anyone that walks in the door, give them minimal (and unpaid) sales training, then have them pay you a "deposit" on the product. Any industry where 90%+ of the employees don't make money is a scam in my book That doesn't make it a scam. There is a definition of scam, and "your book" is irrelevant to the actual definition. The amount of people failing at something is irrelevant to what makes something a scam or not. If you sell their products, they pay you. Whatever you say man, I don't agree with you at all It's literally the definition of the word. There's nothing to disagree with. When you signup, you are told how to get paid and what's required. You sell their products, you get paid. You get people to sell on your team, you get paid. Just because people can't sell, doesn't make it a scam. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922787735] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> It definitely is</quote> Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait.</quote> It's a few people profiting by mass recruitment of naive and untrained "contractors". Basically you "hire" anyone that walks in the door, give them minimal (and unpaid) sales training, then have them pay you a "deposit" on the product. Any industry where 90%+ of the employees don't make money is a scam in my book</quote> That doesn't make it a scam. There is a definition of scam, and "your book" is irrelevant to the actual definition. The amount of people failing at something is irrelevant to what makes something a scam or not. If you sell their products, they pay you.</quote> Whatever you say man, I don't agree with you at all</quote> It's literally the definition of the word. There's nothing to disagree with. When you signup, you are told how to get paid and what's required. You sell their products, you get paid. You get people to sell on your team, you get paid. Just because people can't sell, doesn't make it a scam.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 06/04/19 4:47:02 PM #32:	Remember kids, it's not a real job if they have you buy products from them first. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:922787758] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>Remember kids, it's not a real job if they have you buy products from them first.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:47:15 PM #33:	Benify posted... So what do they sell? Each company has its own products. Health products, beauty products, knives, etc. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922787771] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Benify posted...</cite> <quote>So what do they sell?</quote> Each company has its own products. Health products, beauty products, knives, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 06/04/19 4:47:53 PM #34:	karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. Yes it is It's a pyramid scheme. The one only ones who make money are the ones who get cuts from the sales of their underlings. --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922787803] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> Yes it is It's a pyramid scheme. The one only ones who make money are the ones who get cuts from the sales of their underlings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:50:45 PM #36:	DarkRoast posted... karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. Yes it is It's a pyramid scheme. The one only ones who make money are the ones who get cuts from the sales of their underlings. That's not true at all, and even if it were, its not a scam if the company outlines that requirement in the beginning. Maybe learn what the word scam means. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922787909] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkRoast posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> Yes it is It's a pyramid scheme. The one only ones who make money are the ones who get cuts from the sales of their underlings.</quote> That's not true at all, and even if it were, its not a scam if the company outlines that requirement in the beginning. Maybe learn what the word scam means.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lincoln002 06/04/19 4:51:14 PM #37:	Master_Bass posted... Remember kids, it's not a real job if they have you buy products from them first. You mean kind of how you have to pay for bs certificates, degrees and further education for other jobs? LOL --- https://tinyurl.com/y8nh4ach <cite>lincoln002 posted [p:922787923] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote>Remember kids, it's not a real job if they have you buy products from them first.</quote> You mean kind of how you have to pay for bs certificates, degrees and further education for other jobs? LOL</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ArchiePeck 06/04/19 4:51:17 PM #38:	It's exploitative, but it's not a "scam" - no-one is getting cheated out of anything. If you are an extremely good and charismatic seller you will be able to make good money. Most people aren't, which is why I agree that seling them the idea is exploitative. <cite>ArchiePeck posted [p:922787926] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>It's exploitative, but it's not a "scam" - no-one is getting cheated out of anything. If you are an extremely good and charismatic seller you will be able to make good money. Most people aren't, which is why I agree that seling them the idea is exploitative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 06/04/19 4:52:01 PM #39:	The loss rate for MLMs is at least 99%. This means that less than one in 100 MLMparticipants make a clear profit, and at least 99 out of 100 participants actually losemoney, Taylor reports. Less than one in one hundred. Your odds of sleeping through the night with three-month-old triplets are higher.Aug 17, 2017 https://due.com/blog/3-mind-blowing-statistics-about-mlms/ 99% of MLM participants lose money According to research at the FTC, a whopping 99% of recruited sellers lose money in an MLM venture. That means just 1% actually turn a profit. That is generally just those at the very top of a recruitment structure. Because recruiters earn from their own sales and the sales of everyone they recruit, and their recruits, and so one, those at the top can earn a profit. But with 99% of people losing money, its hard to see why anyone would join this type of company. Its hard to succeed in any business, but the success rate is well over the 1% you see in MLMs. The same FTC report explains that 39% of legitimate small businesses ultimately earn a profit over time. Thats still less than a 50/50 success rate, but about 39x better than an MLM. Before starting in any business, regardless of the product or service, do your research and find hard numbers on your odds for success. There is risk in starting any business venture. As long as you understand and can afford those risks, thats okay. However, you should never start a business where the odds of success are better at a Vegas slot machine. 95% quit within ten years What happens in a business model where everyone loses money? Everyone quits. Well, not quite everyone. But close to it. The same FTC report from Jon Taylor explains that 95% of MLM participants quit within ten years. Around 30% of all small businesses survive at least ten years, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. That means the typical small business has 6x the longevity, when measured by whos around after 10 years, of MLMs. While it makes sense that people would get want to move on from some businesses after a period of time, the rate at which people flee MLMs are a testament to the 1% profitability rate above. According to another study, at least half of participants quit within one year. All businesses take a lot of work and there is no quick and easy path to success. If there were, everyone would be doing it! --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922787949] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>The loss rate for MLMs is at least 99%. This means that less than one in 100 MLMparticipants make a clear profit, and at least 99 out of 100 participants actually losemoney, Taylor reports. Less than one in one hundred. Your odds of sleeping through the night with three-month-old triplets are higher.Aug 17, 2017 https://due.com/blog/3-mind-blowing-statistics-about-mlms/ 99% of MLM participants lose money According to research at the FTC, a whopping 99% of recruited sellers lose money in an MLM venture. That means just 1% actually turn a profit. That is generally just those at the very top of a recruitment structure. Because recruiters earn from their own sales and the sales of everyone they recruit, and their recruits, and so one, those at the top can earn a profit. But with 99% of people losing money, its hard to see why anyone would join this type of company. Its hard to succeed in any business, but the success rate is well over the 1% you see in MLMs. The same FTC report explains that 39% of legitimate small businesses ultimately earn a profit over time. Thats still less than a 50/50 success rate, but about 39x better than an MLM. Before starting in any business, regardless of the product or service, do your research and find hard numbers on your odds for success. There is risk in starting any business venture. As long as you understand and can afford those risks, thats okay. However, you should never start a business where the odds of success are better at a Vegas slot machine. 95% quit within ten years What happens in a business model where everyone loses money? Everyone quits. Well, not quite everyone. But close to it. The same FTC report from Jon Taylor explains that 95% of MLM participants quit within ten years. Around 30% of all small businesses survive at least ten years, according to Bureau of Labor Statistics data. That means the typical small business has 6x the longevity, when measured by whos around after 10 years, of MLMs. While it makes sense that people would get want to move on from some businesses after a period of time, the rate at which people flee MLMs are a testament to the 1% profitability rate above. According to another study, at least half of participants quit within one year. All businesses take a lot of work and there is no quick and easy path to success. If there were, everyone would be doing it! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
lechaflan 06/04/19 4:52:07 PM #40:	I used to be part of Primerica for a few months. Went to all these meetings and whatnot thinking I could make money. The words they used and the way they said them were so pretty I was just like "fuck it, I'll try this". What I felt so uncomfortable about it was that as soon as I joined, they asked me for all my contacts and to schedule meetings with them. Needless to say, most of the people I contacted warned me offside not to deal with them so of course I couldn't produce results. I didn't listen and found myself miserable for the next few months. Is the potential to make money there? Of course but you have to either have the right attitude/mindset to grow/improve and really commit to it. I had neither, felt it just wasn't for me, and worst of all, felt like they were badgering me WAY too much for someone that didn't get results, and just stopped answering calls until my license expired. I'm all for positive energy support but it was so damn suffocating especially since I found no passion for the work. My trainer went as far as thinking of me as a little brother even though I only knew him for 2 months. Yea. No. Are such models scams? I'd imagine businesses for the most part follow a pyramidic model. The reason I say Primerica was a scam (at least the branch I worked for) was due to my personal experience and how I just ate up all these fancy way of wording things differently just to increase their marketability. Some people have the drive to succeed and I'm glad I realized before I spent too much money/gas that I didn't mind not succeeding in that company. .... TDLR... i don't know why I ranted on that lol but it was one of the most defeating times of my life. --- 3DS: 0275-8008-3626 <cite>lechaflan posted [p:922787958] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>I used to be part of Primerica for a few months. Went to all these meetings and whatnot thinking I could make money. The words they used and the way they said them were so pretty I was just like "fuck it, I'll try this". What I felt so uncomfortable about it was that as soon as I joined, they asked me for all my contacts and to schedule meetings with them. Needless to say, most of the people I contacted warned me offside not to deal with them so of course I couldn't produce results. I didn't listen and found myself miserable for the next few months. Is the potential to make money there? Of course but you have to either have the right attitude/mindset to grow/improve and really commit to it. I had neither, felt it just wasn't for me, and worst of all, felt like they were badgering me WAY too much for someone that didn't get results, and just stopped answering calls until my license expired. I'm all for positive energy support but it was so damn suffocating especially since I found no passion for the work. My trainer went as far as thinking of me as a little brother even though I only knew him for 2 months. Yea. No. Are such models scams? I'd imagine businesses for the most part follow a pyramidic model. The reason I say Primerica was a scam (at least the branch I worked for) was due to my personal experience and how I just ate up all these fancy way of wording things differently just to increase their marketability. Some people have the drive to succeed and I'm glad I realized before I spent too much money/gas that I didn't mind not succeeding in that company. .... TDLR... i don't know why I ranted on that lol but it was one of the most defeating times of my life.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 06/04/19 4:52:28 PM #41:	Pretty blatant scam --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:922787976] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>Pretty blatant scam</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 06/04/19 4:52:32 PM #42:	karlpilkington4 posted... MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. It definitely is Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:922787979] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> It definitely is</quote> Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:52:43 PM #43:	ArchiePeck posted... It's exploitative, but it's not a "scam" - no-one is getting cheated out of anything. If you are an extremely good and charismatic seller you will be able to make good money. Most people aren't, which is why I agree that seling them the idea is exploitative. I agree with this for some companies. They target poor people who definitely don't have the skills or mindset to do this --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922787983] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote>It's exploitative, but it's not a "scam" - no-one is getting cheated out of anything. If you are an extremely good and charismatic seller you will be able to make good money. Most people aren't, which is why I agree that seling them the idea is exploitative.</quote> I agree with this for some companies. They target poor people who definitely don't have the skills or mindset to do this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkRoast 06/04/19 4:53:27 PM #44:	ArchiePeck posted... It's exploitative, but it's not a "scam" - no-one is getting cheated out of anything. If you are an extremely good and charismatic seller you will be able to make good money. Most people aren't, which is why I agree that seling them the idea is exploitative. No, even if you sell balls to the wall, you won't make jack. The only way to actually make money in MLM is to recruit tons and tons of salespeople under you and get a cut of their sales (and then inherit their customers when they quit) --- Well allons-y, Alonso! <cite>DarkRoast posted [p:922788011] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>ArchiePeck posted...</cite> <quote>It's exploitative, but it's not a "scam" - no-one is getting cheated out of anything. If you are an extremely good and charismatic seller you will be able to make good money. Most people aren't, which is why I agree that seling them the idea is exploitative.</quote> No, even if you sell balls to the wall, you won't make jack. The only way to actually make money in MLM is to recruit tons and tons of salespeople under you and get a cut of their sales (and then inherit their customers when they quit)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 06/04/19 4:53:42 PM #45:	Not calling it a scam is semantics. But it's far from the only scam-like entity in the job sphere. Everybody's trying to get as much free money as possible from others looking to get as much free money as possible --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://i.imgtc.com/7dRrfE1.jpg <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:922788019] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>Not calling it a scam is semantics. But it's far from the only scam-like entity in the job sphere. Everybody's trying to get as much free money as possible from others looking to get as much free money as possible</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
karlpilkington4 06/04/19 4:53:52 PM #46:	Tyranthraxus posted... karlpilkington4 posted... MC_BatCommander posted... karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. It definitely is Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme None of that proved it was a scam. Nice attempt. Maybe try harder than a copy/paste next time. --- Is This The Krusty Krab? "No This Is Patrick!" <cite>karlpilkington4 posted [p:922788029] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> It definitely is</quote> Explain the scam in detail. I'll wait.</quote> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_scheme</quote> None of that proved it was a scam. Nice attempt. Maybe try harder than a copy/paste next time.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MacDaMurderer 06/04/19 4:54:57 PM #47:	Most of it is a scam because the products and services they sell are trash. My bro fell for one of them where he sold basically an AAA like car service for half the price of AAA. But if you look up the actual service it was fucking garbage. Most of the time you had to pay upfront for the service and the fake AAA company would reimburse you (they never did) Literally tried to get me to sign up and I told him it was a scam. He swore to me it wasnt. Two months later he was like well I only lost $250 so it wasnt really a scam --- @macdamurderer GT: Mac Da Murderer <cite>MacDaMurderer posted [p:922788075] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>Most of it is a scam because the products and services they sell are trash. My bro fell for one of them where he sold basically an AAA like car service for half the price of AAA. But if you look up the actual service it was fucking garbage. Most of the time you had to pay upfront for the service and the fake AAA company would reimburse you (they never did) Literally tried to get me to sign up and I told him it was a scam. He swore to me it wasnt. Two months later he was like well I only lost $250 so it wasnt really a scam </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tullock 06/04/19 4:55:33 PM #48:	karlpilkington4 posted... You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam. Of course you would say that --- ImgTC. https://discord.gg/PDTUWUC <cite>tullock posted [p:922788096] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>karlpilkington4 posted...</cite> <quote>You can make money in MLM. It's not a scam.</quote> Of course you would say that</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Master_Bass 06/04/19 4:55:47 PM #49:	lincoln002 posted... Master_Bass posted... Remember kids, it's not a real job if they have you buy products from them first. You mean kind of how you have to pay for bs certificates, degrees and further education for other jobs? LOL At least a lot of those will get you a decent job. All you get with an MLM is debt and some hideous leggings with essential oils smeared on them. --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. <cite>Master_Bass posted [p:922788107] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>lincoln002 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Master_Bass posted...</cite> <quote>Remember kids, it's not a real job if they have you buy products from them first.</quote> You mean kind of how you have to pay for bs certificates, degrees and further education for other jobs? LOL</quote> At least a lot of those will get you a decent job. All you get with an MLM is debt and some hideous leggings with essential oils smeared on them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
radical rhino 06/04/19 4:56:08 PM #50:	Holy shit this karl guy is so obviously part of a MLM company and desperately doesnt want to admit that he was scammed. Lol! --- .____ [____]===0 . . . . Ye olde beating stick. <cite>radical rhino posted [p:922788121] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote>Holy shit this karl guy is so obviously part of a MLM company and desperately doesnt want to admit that he was scammed. Lol!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bishop9800 06/04/19 4:56:33 PM #51:	radical rhino posted... Holy shit this karl guy is so obviously part of a MLM company and desperately doesnt want to admit that he was scammed. Lol! <cite>Bishop9800 posted [p:922788136] in One of my ... [t:77761805]...</cite> <quote><cite>radical rhino posted...</cite> <quote>Holy shit this karl guy is so obviously part of a MLM company and desperately doesnt want to admit that he was scammed. Lol!</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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