Poll of the Day > If abortions are illegal - Do you support coffin cribs for newborns to starve in

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Lokarin
05/23/19 6:37:20 PM
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I mean, that is the next best solution if you don't want the baby, but the public doesn't want to foot the bill of foster care.
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wwinterj25
05/23/19 6:38:48 PM
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That topic title is dark man.
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TheSlinja
05/23/19 6:45:30 PM
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we already have those, they are called orphanages
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Lokarin
05/23/19 6:45:45 PM
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wwinterj25 posted...
That topic title is dark man.


I think i'm in that weird phase where I get darker and darker until modded and then I smarten up again for a few weeks.
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zebatov
05/23/19 9:38:14 PM
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TheSlinja posted...
we already have those, they are called orphanages

People forget about those. Everyone wants their own.
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Mead
05/23/19 9:53:38 PM
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No.
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RoboXgp89
05/23/19 10:02:32 PM
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No, it's traumatizing to the women and the majority of these things dont' need coffins bigger than a cup
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miki_sauvester
05/24/19 1:37:10 AM
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Zeus
05/24/19 2:31:37 AM
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Lokarin posted...
I mean, that is the next best solution if you don't want the baby, but the public doesn't want to foot the bill of foster care.


Even among your usual smathering of stupid topics, this stands out as being particularly egregious. *Babies* are almost always in high demand. Finding a placement for a newborn is easy, it's placing older children that's hard.
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Lokarin
05/24/19 4:23:28 PM
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Zeus posted...
Lokarin posted...
I mean, that is the next best solution if you don't want the baby, but the public doesn't want to foot the bill of foster care.


Even among your usual smathering of stupid topics, this stands out as being particularly egregious. *Babies* are almost always in high demand. Finding a placement for a newborn is easy, it's placing older children that's hard.


ummm, you do know that babies become older children
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FrndNhbrHdCEman
05/24/19 4:26:21 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Zeus posted...
Lokarin posted...
I mean, that is the next best solution if you don't want the baby, but the public doesn't want to foot the bill of foster care.


Even among your usual smathering of stupid topics, this stands out as being particularly egregious. *Babies* are almost always in high demand. Finding a placement for a newborn is easy, it's placing older children that's hard.


ummm, you do know that babies become older children

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wolfy42
05/24/19 4:56:46 PM
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I am pro abortion unless A: You want the child, will take being a parent seriously and provide for it

or

B: You contact someone who wants the child and will take it, care for it, and be a good parent.

If neither of the above conditions are met, I find it cruel and unusual punishment to bring a life into this world that will not be loved and cared for. Every child should be cherished and given love it's entire life, it is far, far worse to give birth to a baby and then ignore it and let it suffer, then to ensure the baby is never born.

The obvious solution is to just make sure all children are adopted by loving parents, but since that has not worked throughout history, I suggest just ensuring no accidental pregnancies happen at all, and any aborptions that are performed include tying tubes etc, to ensure it does not happen again until desired.
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Lokarin
05/24/19 5:08:16 PM
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As an aside: I just realized that literal coffin cribs, like Adams Family style, might actually be cute - raise a little baby goth
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Zeus
05/25/19 1:27:41 AM
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Lokarin posted...
Zeus posted...
Lokarin posted...
I mean, that is the next best solution if you don't want the baby, but the public doesn't want to foot the bill of foster care.


Even among your usual smathering of stupid topics, this stands out as being particularly egregious. *Babies* are almost always in high demand. Finding a placement for a newborn is easy, it's placing older children that's hard.


ummm, you do know that babies become older children


ummm, you do know that adopted babies have families when they become older
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LinkPizza
05/25/19 1:38:51 AM
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Zeus posted...
Lokarin posted...
Zeus posted...
Lokarin posted...
I mean, that is the next best solution if you don't want the baby, but the public doesn't want to foot the bill of foster care.


Even among your usual smathering of stupid topics, this stands out as being particularly egregious. *Babies* are almost always in high demand. Finding a placement for a newborn is easy, it's placing older children that's hard.


ummm, you do know that babies become older children


ummm, you do know that adopted babies have families when they become older

I think hea trying to say most parents want babies, but not older kids. This can be for many reasons, but it is true that the older kids can sometimes get passed over when people wanting to be parents go to an orphanage or whatever... They do have a chance to be adopted, but usually if theyre younger.

Babies do go fast, but thats if they are adopted. If they get there at a bad time, they might be older than what the parent want. Not to mention that adoptions are a long process, IIRC...

wolfy42 posted...
I am pro abortion unless A: You want the child, will take being a parent seriously and provide for it

or

B: You contact someone who wants the child and will take it, care for it, and be a good parent.

If neither of the above conditions are met, I find it cruel and unusual punishment to bring a life into this world that will not be loved and cared for. Every child should be cherished and given love it's entire life, it is far, far worse to give birth to a baby and then ignore it and let it suffer, then to ensure the baby is never born.

The obvious solution is to just make sure all children are adopted by loving parents, but since that has not worked throughout history, I suggest just ensuring no accidental pregnancies happen at all, and any aborptions that are performed include tying tubes etc, to ensure it does not happen again until desired.

Personally, I wouldnt go that far. Just make sure they have ways to prevent it with birth control. If they wanted to give them the arm one, that would be fine, too. To actually tie her tubes would be weird... Unless they also gave the guy a vasectomy... Though, it would still be weird. Might as well do both people, right? Its not only one person making the baby... But I would go with arm birth control before tying tubes. Because even though its reversible, birth control would probably be better...
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Zeus
05/25/19 11:04:58 PM
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LinkPizza posted...
I think hea trying to say most parents want babies, but not older kids. This can be for many reasons, but it is true that the older kids can sometimes get passed over when people wanting to be parents go to an orphanage or whatever... They do have a chance to be adopted, but usually if theyre younger.


No, he's trying to be stupid again. He's making an insincere argument that overlooks the reality of the system. Most of the older kids in the system didn't come in as babies because, again, babies are in absurdly high demand -- such much so that many couples have to rely on surrogates from other nations.
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Zeus
05/26/19 12:30:45 AM
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Repost, since I got attacked by Foxx again. Removed the first sentence.

LinkPizza posted...
I think hea trying to say most parents want babies, but not older kids. This can be for many reasons, but it is true that the older kids can sometimes get passed over when people wanting to be parents go to an orphanage or whatever... They do have a chance to be adopted, but usually if theyre younger.

Babies do go fast, but thats if they are adopted. If they get there at a bad time, they might be older than what the parent want. Not to mention that adoptions are a long process, IIRC...


He's making an insincere argument that overlooks the reality of the system. Most of the older kids in the system didn't come in as babies because, again, babies are in absurdly high demand -- such much so that many couples have to rely on surrogates from other nations.
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dedbus
05/26/19 12:35:32 AM
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Custody should default to the parent who wants it.
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Lokarin
05/26/19 1:48:16 AM
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Zeus posted...
Repost, since I got attacked by Foxx again. Removed the first sentence.


I didn't mark it.

Anyways, you're right that I'm going about this in a disingenuously ingenious way... the point I'm trying to raise is that if someone is against abortions, they must by necessity be charged with the long term care of an unwanted child... whether this be via an increase in taxes to support foster care or whatever
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ClarkDuke
05/26/19 4:01:05 AM
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Zeus posted...
Repost, since I got attacked by Foxx again. Removed the first sentence.

relax, you're starting to sound paranoid, ok?
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Zareth
05/26/19 4:03:31 AM
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You got it wrong, it's the anti vaxxers who are pro tiny coffin.
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Zeus
05/27/19 1:19:45 AM
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Lokarin posted...
I didn't mark it.


I didn't accuse you.

Lokarin posted...
Anyways, you're right that I'm going about this in a disingenuously ingenious way... the point I'm trying to raise is that if someone is against abortions, they must by necessity be charged with the long term care of an unwanted child... whether this be via an increase in taxes to support foster care or whatever


Why should they? If other people are going to step up and care for the baby -- people who really want a child, often so badly that they need to pay a surrogate -- why would you cruelly shove the baby into a government-run center? And if you're making absurd points, why stop there? Why not force people in favor of Section-8 to give up their homes? And if you're not in favor of Section-8, then by that logic you should be forced to personally execute anybody who can't find a home, right? Let's keep that utterly disingenuous, bad faith argument ball rolling!
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Lokarin
05/27/19 2:33:02 AM
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Zeus posted...
Lokarin posted...
I didn't mark it.


I didn't accuse you.

Lokarin posted...
Anyways, you're right that I'm going about this in a disingenuously ingenious way... the point I'm trying to raise is that if someone is against abortions, they must by necessity be charged with the long term care of an unwanted child... whether this be via an increase in taxes to support foster care or whatever


Why should they? If other people are going to step up and care for the baby -- people who really want a child, often so badly that they need to pay a surrogate -- why would you cruelly shove the baby into a government-run center? And if you're making absurd points, why stop there? Why not force people in favor of Section-8 to give up their homes? And if you're not in favor of Section-8, then by that logic you should be forced to personally execute anybody who can't find a home, right? Let's keep that utterly disingenuous, bad faith argument ball rolling!


I don't have an answer for those questions, but they are in line with the spirit of the topic - so, why not?

Why not execute those who are unable of contributing? And the answer is simple, cost. It's cheaper to let people die than to do it yourself.

So now we have baby coffin cribs and section 8 coffin beds.
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gguirao
05/27/19 3:20:43 PM
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No, but I support birth control.
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