Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic 519 - The Rise of the Mech

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davidponte
05/22/19 2:01:44 PM
#1:


Nerfs are live!

Buffs are coming!

Free legendary!

Who is this Blizzard and what have they done with the real Blizzard?
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Camden
05/22/19 2:48:34 PM
#2:


Dust refunds are live! The 11,000+ dust I already have just sitting there doing absolutely nothing isn't enough, I need more! More! More!
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ShatteredElysium
05/22/19 3:22:02 PM
#3:


I see the game is just as reliable as ever. Haven't played since Frozen Throne outside a few arena runs (I still have all the solo content from Frozen Throne onwards incomplete). Just logged in earlier to do an Arena run and in only my second match it kicks me out mid run to let me know the app had updated and I had to restart. Really game? You couldn't wait until the end of the match?

Managed to get back in and win the game anyway but that's just awful design
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ShatteredElysium
05/22/19 3:24:58 PM
#4:


Actually I remember why I stopped playing now. It gave me some awful solo content quests which overwrote all my normal quests. So I was stuck with 3 special quests that needed clearing that would take some time to clear and I couldn't get any normal quests until I was done. And when I looked into it apparently when you cleared them it just gave you more anyway. So I just thought fuck this and stopped logging in as it waa basically forcing me to do hours of solo content before I could do anything else
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NewerShadow
05/22/19 3:42:09 PM
#5:


ShatteredElysium posted...
Actually I remember why I stopped playing now. It gave me some awful solo content quests which overwrote all my normal quests. So I was stuck with 3 special quests that needed clearing that would take some time to clear and I couldn't get any normal quests until I was done. And when I looked into it apparently when you cleared them it just gave you more anyway. So I just thought fuck this and stopped logging in as it waa basically forcing me to do hours of solo content before I could do anything else

I think they changed it at the start of this rotation to allow you to reroll those quests.
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ShatteredElysium
05/22/19 5:32:03 PM
#6:


Bleh, just lost a game in Arena because I'm rusty and assumed mechanics would operate slightly differently.

Opponent had the mech 2/6 taunt out that gets +2 attack when there's nothing else on his side so it was a 4/6
I used Kooky Chemist to swap attack/health
I thought it would change to an 8/2 (or worst case 6/4)
It actually changed to an 8/4

Like it being a 6/4 post swap I get. But 8/4? Why does the +2 attack get applied again. Like if it was going to get applied again surely it should have gone 8/2 not 8/4
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ShatteredElysium
05/22/19 5:44:59 PM
#7:


Also the hell is this bug. Doesn't matter what screen I click to, stays blurred like this

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Chaeix
05/22/19 9:18:54 PM
#8:


It has something to do with the popups for quests/nerfs etc
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ShatteredElysium
05/22/19 9:32:30 PM
#9:


It happened every single time I cleared a quest that then refreshed into a new quest. Was annoying as hell.

Managed to clear all the quests in 3 arena runs. Only legendary I got from them and all the packs was Vereesa Windrunner. Oh well, I have 10k dust and a shit ton of cards I could dust if necessary since my entire collection is basically wild now.

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NewerShadow
05/22/19 10:24:49 PM
#10:


I took Midrange Hunter from low 8 to 5 in a single winstreak over the last couple days. The list I ran (from Vicious Syndicate) isn't too expensive, with just 4 total epics (2x2) and one legendary, and there are cheaper builds out there without Rat Trap.

### Rat Trap Midrange Hunter
# Class: Hunter
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Dragon
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# 2x (1) Shimmerfly
# 2x (1) Springpaw
# 2x (1) Timber Wolf
# 2x (1) Tracking
# 2x (2) Rat Trap
# 2x (2) Scavenging Hyena
# 2x (2) Vicious Scalehide
# 2x (3) Animal Companion
# 2x (3) Deadly Shot
# 2x (3) Kill Command
# 2x (3) Master's Call
# 2x (3) Unleash the Hounds
# 2x (4) Dire Frenzy
# 1x (5) Tundra Rhino
# 2x (6) Unleash the Beast
# 1x (10) Zul'jin
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone

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metroid composite
05/22/19 11:10:10 PM
#11:


ShatteredElysium posted...
Bleh, just lost a game in Arena because I'm rusty and assumed mechanics would operate slightly differently.

Opponent had the mech 2/6 taunt out that gets +2 attack when there's nothing else on his side so it was a 4/6
I used Kooky Chemist to swap attack/health
I thought it would change to an 8/2 (or worst case 6/4)
It actually changed to an 8/4

Like it being a 6/4 post swap I get. But 8/4? Why does the +2 attack get applied again. Like if it was going to get applied again surely it should have gone 8/2 not 8/4

It swaps to 6/4 as its new base stats.

And then your opponent only has one creature in play, so it gets +2 attack bringing it up to 8/4.

(This isn't even the weirdest interaction like this. Let's say you have a 1/1 that's pumped to a 2/2 by Stormwind Champion. If you swap its attack and health, then its new base stats get snapshotted at 2/2, and then Stormwind Champion makes it into a 3/3).
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metroid composite
05/22/19 11:39:37 PM
#12:


ShatteredElysium posted...
Also the hell is this bug. Doesn't matter what screen I click to, stays blurred like this

Hate that bug. Just restart the client, but yeah, they really need to fix that.
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metroid composite
05/23/19 1:47:03 AM
#13:


So...there was a bug where a few people opened Zayle from a pack (which was supposed to be impossible, and also a waste when you get it for beating the singleplayer).

Blizzard gave affected people a free legendary and removed the Zayle:

https://old.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/brs4ji/for_those_that_unpacked_zayle_early/

EDIT: oh also, since I know people were discussing this one and not sure, but more arms from extra arms will also cost 2:

https://twitter.com/LegendaryFerret/status/1130924176758362112
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metroid composite
05/23/19 2:33:53 AM
#14:


ShatteredElysium posted...
Any cheap deck suggestions?

Cheap decks right now are like...

Midrange Hunter
Token Druid
Silence Priest
Murloc Shaman
Mech Paladin
Zoo Warlock
Surprisingly some builds of resurrect/wall priest (mass resurrection is a rare, mass hysteria is rare, and a lot of cards like witchwood grizzly and damage stegotron are rare or common)
Some builds of Chef Nomi Priest
Probably some Rogue decks, but nobody's sure what Rogue decks are going to look like post nerf.
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KokoroAkechi
05/23/19 8:29:35 AM
#15:


I dont think murloc shaman is cheap. Recent versions of the deck I've seen run a pretty heavy epic package and a bunch of legendaries now.
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MrSmartGuy
05/23/19 9:28:26 AM
#16:


Decided to disenchant my Preps and Raiding Parties so I could craft Kandor's Endless Army, which was the last piece I needed to play Kibler's Handbuff Mech Paladin. Ended up going 8-1 in the limited time I had, then used the 100 gold to buy one pack, and it was a doozy...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162396569289752576/581108295868088331/unknown.png

Post-nerf Hearthstone is treating me pretty well right now.
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azuarc
05/23/19 11:33:38 AM
#17:


That is certainly a pack.
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Camden
05/23/19 2:51:48 PM
#18:


My Shaman deck is a little lacking in variety.

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HanOfTheNekos
05/23/19 3:08:39 PM
#19:


Feels good to pop a zuljin and annihilate the enemy's board with a Vereesa powered fan of knives
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NewerShadow
05/24/19 4:00:20 PM
#20:


Reckless Experimenter is going to get nerfed along with the mech update to get a restriction like Summoning Portal (cost cant be reduced below 1).

https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms/content_folder_media/y2/Y2MTE5J7H8JD1558723107958.png

https://www.reddit.com/r/hearthstone/comments/bsknod/upcoming_reckless_experimenter_card_change/

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HanOfTheNekos
05/24/19 4:02:54 PM
#21:


Just drew Heistbaron Togwaggle.

Game's like "hey, you always play Rogue, so here, have more Rogue cards"
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KokoroAkechi
05/24/19 4:30:15 PM
#22:


I think I'm going to start exclusively start to play on an alt to mix things up. Not sure yet. I'm borderline ready to leave the game.
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Camden
05/24/19 10:25:59 PM
#23:


Just started playing the third wing, and Bob has apparently been replaced with Bartendotron? It seems like the same thing so I'm not sure if this is somehow significant or not.
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HanOfTheNekos
05/24/19 10:31:02 PM
#24:


It's only sometimes
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davidponte
05/24/19 11:04:33 PM
#25:


I've gotten the robot bartender in the second wing as well a few times.
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Camden
05/25/19 12:04:31 AM
#26:


Thankfully Jepetto is a pushover on the third wing, otherwise I would have been in real trouble when I managed to get myself two copies of The Darkness during the match and was playing with just two minions.
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Peridiam
05/25/19 1:18:55 AM
#27:


I love Dalaran Heist. From having not played Hearthstone in years, I've now gone full speed ahead.

Boss Kill Count:
Mage: 31
Shaman: 23
Hunter: 33
Priest: 22
Rogue: 8
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KokoroAkechi
05/25/19 6:16:28 PM
#28:


btw if anyone wants to add my alt

Akane#12742

I have both Play a friend and watch a friend on it.
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KokoroAkechi
05/25/19 7:30:25 PM
#29:


nevermind i dont have those. for whatever reason when i logged back in just now my quests completely changed
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Camden
05/25/19 7:32:32 PM
#30:


wgX84pu

After losing to this damn boss six or seven times now, I was finally able to get my first win against him. I needed to be playing the stat swap hero power for Priest, which I wouldn't recommend, along with the broken Robes treasure, and have the opponent make poor trades on the last two turns in a row... but a win is a win.

I'm going to be salty now if I lose to Jepetto in the final match.

Edit: No salt, rng was on my side the last few turns. Rag dodged hitting Sylvanas two turns in a row, while my 1/4 taunt held off the regular Sylvanas from triggering and the 1/1 copy only stole an 11/11 Velen.
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KokoroAkechi
05/25/19 8:24:46 PM
#31:


Hit rank 15 on the alt (from the bottom of rank 25). Using Token druid because i just happened to open up Stalladris from my adventure packs today and i had the dust to make the other cards.

Currently 17-0 (according to deck tracker). Almost lost to a shark rogue but managed to find lethal just in time for it.
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HanOfTheNekos
05/25/19 9:27:54 PM
#32:


Does Wondrous Wisdomball do anything helpful?
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MrSmartGuy
05/25/19 9:34:43 PM
#33:


Wisdomball is an auto-pick for me every time because I love his shenanigans. Occasionally he's super helpful: he can summon three taunts for you, give you like 5 copies of your next drawn card, let you draw two cards at once, give you extra mana crystals at the start of the game vs an opponent that has a head start, heal your hero back up if you get low, reset your fatigue or even add cards to your deck when you first get to fatigue.

But a lot of the time, he's super dumb. One of the things he does is change a minion you play into a random legendary; "Random legendaries are always good!". Which can be nice, but also detrimental. Another thing he does is double the last spell you cast. Which would be nice if you're using Flamestrike or something, but he'll also do it with Arcane Intellect when you're holding 9 cards and just burn 2 for no reason. Or try and cast a secret again totally unsuccessfully. Another thing he does is take a minion that just died and add it back into your deck. No Wisdomball, I'd rather not draw a 1-mana vanilla 1/1 later.

It's still really fun, though, so I take him every time.
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Camden
05/25/19 9:42:34 PM
#34:


Wondrous Wisdomball things I've had happen...

I've had it draw a second card for me.
I've had it give me three or so additional copies of a minion after drawing it.
I've had it reduce a minions cost when I draw it, usually severely.
I've had it cast a spell a second time for me.
I've had it shuffle a minion back into my deck after it dies.
I've had it add cards to my deck when I hit fatigue.
I've had it freeze the opponents entire board.
I've had it destroy the entire board.
I've had it give me an extra turn.

On the other hand, I've also had it increase the mana cost of a cheap minion after drawing it, just as severely as the reduced situation so that the minion was essentially unplayable. Also, it's turned a minion I've played into a legendary right after I played it three times, but all three times the legendary has been worse than the card I wanted to play. Theoretically it's another positive situation but it hasn't worked out well for me so far.
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KokoroAkechi
05/25/19 9:45:02 PM
#35:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
Does Wondrous Wisdomball do anything helpful?


He does cool things like cast iceblock on you before you die or freeze the enemy board. He can also give you an extra turn etc. But he also does dumb stuff like change the cost of a card, but its always to like 10 mana.
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MrSmartGuy
05/25/19 10:04:37 PM
#36:


Yeah, I had that 4-mana wolf that deathrattles into 1/1s in my deck once. Then when the 1/1s died, he shoved one of those back into my deck, and when I drew it, he changed it into 7-mana. So that was cool.
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HanOfTheNekos
05/26/19 12:12:11 AM
#37:


hes just trying his best
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metroid composite
05/26/19 10:08:28 PM
#38:


Soup Vendor being played in Grandmasters!
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UltimaterializerX
05/26/19 10:33:36 PM
#39:


metroid composite posted...
Soup Vendor being played in Grandmasters!

haha WHAT?
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metroid composite
05/26/19 10:40:48 PM
#40:


UltimaterializerX posted...
metroid composite posted...
Soup Vendor being played in Grandmasters!

haha WHAT?

It was in a Paladin combo deck with Flash of Light and Zilliax to help draw through the deck.
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Camden
05/27/19 12:02:58 AM
#41:


Is that the same Paladin deck running Elven Archer?
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05/27/19 12:20:18 AM
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Emeraldegg
05/28/19 12:39:46 AM
#43:


So I started playing again, pulled scargil, so I decided to craft hagatha and some murlocs and go full murloc shaman. It's pretty fun so far! This is my first time playing such a straightforward aggro deck. Went from 20 to 13 with little difficulty so far. I'm sure that won't last long but drawing the nuts on an opening hand is a great feeling.
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KokoroAkechi
05/28/19 10:52:08 AM
#44:


The alt is at rank 4 now (64-20). I have 3 quests that I have to do arena for though and I already tried to reroll
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metroid composite
05/29/19 1:52:38 AM
#45:


NPH's specialist format review:

https://noproshere.com/2019/05/27/team-noproshere-specialist-meta-report-10/

Hunter and Warrior on top, which is a bit of a surprise given how many mages we saw in Grandmasters.

Rogue appears to be doing fine, with two tier 2 decks, both running EVIL Miscreant and Prep. (No Raiding Party in sight, though).
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KokoroAkechi
05/29/19 5:37:10 PM
#46:


The alt hit rank 2 (84-30) so now I'm considering trying to hit legend with it since I have a couple of days to do so.
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Camden
05/29/19 8:52:12 PM
#47:


Opponent just played Book of Specters on turn 2, and drew the second one and both Conjurers Callings. You can guess how fast the concede came out. The rng gods must have been incredibly displeased with their choices lately.
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Camden
05/30/19 3:37:58 PM
#48:


It might not be good, but the treasure that allows you to use your hero power twice and changes it to cost 1 pairs nicely with the Warrior bomb hero power. Shuffling 12 damage worth of bombs every turn is fun.
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metroid composite
05/31/19 12:43:42 AM
#49:


Camden posted...
It might not be good, but the treasure that allows you to use your hero power twice and changes it to cost 1 pairs nicely with the Warrior bomb hero power. Shuffling 12 damage worth of bombs every turn is fun.

I dunno about the bomb hero power specifically, but I think that's an extremely strong treasure in general. With any decent hero power guarantees that you don't have a bad opening, and opens up a lot of synergistic cards to be absurd (basically anything that says inspire).

I got that with just vanilla mage ping, and it was great. Picked up some inspire cards and frost lich jaina.

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MrSmartGuy
05/31/19 7:33:35 AM
#50:


I posted this in the previous topic, but that treasure when your hero power is the 1-mana discount a card in hand by 2-mana one is absolutely absurd.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162396569289752576/580572261023744010/unknown.png
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