Poll of the Day > Why are people freaking out over Alabama?

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Sulugnaz posted...

If a man doesnt fuck up the he wont go to jail. Dont want to be responsible for child support, dont make a child. Dont want to go to jail for not paying child support, pay your child support.

Women can "unmake" a child for 6 months, a man need only fuck up once. That fuck up can even be trusting your partner knowing where you keep your condoms.

You're giving women a free pass to reflect on their choices but holding both to the same punishment.

Sulugnaz posted...

You may argue the semantics of fuck up real hard. But if hes doing what hes supposed to be doing hes not going to be sent to jail.

Ultimate argument of the dictatorship "submit or get fucked for the rest of your life".

Sulugnaz posted...

The next argument, which Kyuubi already stated was being trapped by a woman in pregnancy.

Which that pregnancy is still half of the mans fault. The man is just as culpable for the childs creation. You can very easily not create a child by not fucking a woman.

Both responsible for creation, only one responsible for coming to term, where it matters.

Sulugnaz posted...

Yeah theres the argument that the man cant force her to get an abortion or disavow a child if she wants to keep it, but thats the way the system is. Its not perfect. But a man still has to actively create the child, and then he should do the right thing.

"It's not perfect, but only men are getting fucked so it's fine."
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Zangulus posted...

Im going to look bad for saying the men shouldnt fuck up

You look bad for telling men they deserve to suffer for having sex, much like how Alabama's government look brain dead for saying the same to women.
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Zangulus posted...

OhhhJa posted...

https://dadsdivorce.com/articles/dads-represent-85-of-child-support-providers-pay-more-than-female-payers/

Deflection. Actually try to respond to what I am saying instead of trying to point out what Ive already admitted happens.

I've already responded my dude. You just dont wanna admit that there is a serious imbalance there. You wanna cry about women being victims and I'm pointing out that men are victimized to a much higher degree in regards to divorce and custody

Sulugnaz posted...

Yeah. Thats not what I said, but go ahead and think whatever you want. Ill be over here looking bad and not caring.

We have one point to fuck up, so there's nothing else you could be saying.
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Sulugnaz posted...

Lol. You cant read for s***. Im not crying and Ive already said, at least once its not equitable. You keep trying to deflect from what Im actually saying by not actually addressing it and continuing to bring up other things.

Dont want to respond to what Ive actually said? Thats fine. But it doesnt mean Im going to continue down your busted ass road of s*** thats irrelevant to what Ive said

I'm confused are you zangulus or someone else. Is this like your schizophrenic alter ego? You keep quoting my responses to zangulus like they're your own

I mean I get that it's your username backwards but I'm confused why you're switching accounts

I mean I stand with thanos so I'm for abortion

OhhhJa posted...

There is actually data to back that up though. For instance, stem is dominated by men because men choose to go into stem and not because men are pushing them out. And there are far more women nurses, housekeepers, and babysitters for that very reason as well

So it's sexist when it's taken into account in determining who will be more inclined to be a good parent, but not when it's taken into account when choosing a career?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Because it's an attempt to bypass the law. You're allowed to under eat, you're not allowed to attempt to kill the fetus.

And what if you under eat because you just don't want to have to budget more for food, with the fetus' health being entirely ancillary to that? Oh hey the law restricts your freedom in that regard because being pregnant means no more autonomy for you.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

The process does.

You're strongly encouraged physically to get it out so no sane person is just going to sit and wait, but there was that woman with a bike handle in her vag for 2 years so clearly there are some people that insane. Considering they exist, don't you think it's odd that there's no case of a person keep their baby inside forever? It would certainly be newsworthy, but it never has and never will happen.

That woman didn't seek medical attention because husband explicitly threatened to hurt her if she did (since you supposedly read the article, you should know this). Blaming her failure to seek medical attention on her sanity is rather foolish of you.

As for childbirth, I sincerely hope you don't think that lying there and letting it happen is a viable enough option to insist that the whole process is passive. Even if it can technically work that way, calling that a viable option is indeed truly insane, and I'm deeply concerned that you brought it up.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Whether you feel the need or not is irrelevant. If you go to a doctor for a problem that doesn't exist, they will turn you away.

The entire concept of elective surgery says hi.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Are you seriously implying that the force of a falling skyscraper has agency? Because it don't.

The agency we ascribe to a conscious, sentient being? No. Enough agency to be the subject of a verb? Yes. The passive/active distinction is typically applied specifically to identifying whether or not a human participated consciously in the process, but if you shift your perspective appropriately, nothing is truly passive because every process and action is performed by some entity.

_AdjI_ posted...

So it's sexist when it's taken into account in determining who will be more inclined to be a good parent, but not when it's taken into account when choosing a career?

False equivalency. It's not like men are systematically forcing women out of stem. They just arent interested in it generally as much as men are. But plenty of potentially good fathers are screwed over in court just because

OhhhJa posted...

It's not like men are systematically forcing women out of stem.

If you ignore the broader cultural trends that influence women's (and men's) career choices, sure (though pinning that entirely on men would be unreasonable, since men are only ~half of the society that provides those cultural trends). I saw a study done a while back where they assessed boys' and girls' performance on something stem-related and found that boys performed better in the control group, but when the experimental group was given lego to play with for a while before being tested, most (if not all) of the gender bias disappeared.

Really, the only difference is that it's a lot harder to pin down specific people or laws to point fingers at if we talk about the wage gap than if we talk about biased custody proceedings. In both cases, the idea that parenting/nurturing is women's work is the central motivator for the trend, it's just being practiced a lot more insidiously in the former case.

_AdjI_ posted...

Really, the only difference is that it's a lot harder to pin down specific people or laws to point fingers at if we talk about the wage gap than if we talk about biased custody proceedings. In both cases, the idea that parenting/nurturing is women's work is the central motivator for the trend, it's just being practiced a lot more insidiously in the former case.

Or what about the fact that women, despite being given overwhelming amounts of financial subsidies, law privileges, obvious biases in terms of the criminal and educational system, are barely able to keep up and STILL seem to be allergic to jobs with any amount of risk or harsh working conditions? I won't even go into details about this idiotic image of society about women being good and nurturing, while men are toxic and mean that is being pushed by all the feminists, white knights, and soy boys that is going around for the last 10 years.
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The_tall_midget posted...

I won't even go into details about this idiotic image of society about women being good and nurturing, while men are toxic and mean that is being pushed by all the feminists, white knights, and soy boys that is going around for the last 10 years.

You think "toxic masculinity" means "all masculinity is toxic," don't you?

_AdjI_ posted...

The_tall_midget posted...

I won't even go into details about this idiotic image of society about women being good and nurturing, while men are toxic and mean that is being pushed by all the feminists, white knights, and soy boys that is going around for the last 10 years.

You think "toxic masculinity" means "all masculinity is toxic," don't you?

Isn't it odd how every solution to "toxic masculinity" is to make men more like women?
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Wild that schmen thinks men are oppressed and women need to be put in their place

Im absolutely shocked
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ninja_lootz posted...

_AdjI_ posted...

The_tall_midget posted...

I won't even go into details about this idiotic image of society about women being good and nurturing, while men are toxic and mean that is being pushed by all the feminists, white knights, and soy boys that is going around for the last 10 years.

You think "toxic masculinity" means "all masculinity is toxic," don't you?

Isn't it odd how every solution to "toxic masculinity" is to make men more like women?

If you're the sort of person who considers the toxic behaviours in question to be manly, and avoiding them to be feminine, then I suppose that is a true statement. But then you're just part of the problem, so...

Mead posted...

Wild that schmen thinks men are oppressed and women need to be put in their place

Im absolutely shocked

And the typical, idiotic, leftist analysis by Mead.

I do not believe women need to be put in their place. I believe society needs to stop pushing false ideas, which happens to often be feminist ideas. Because, as we all know, concepts such as rape culture, toxic masculinity, and the wage gap are 100% factual and out of control in the west, right? It couldn't possibly be that feminists are just opportunistic morons who saw that simps and white knights would give women the worls and then some if they just kept saying they're victims about everything, right? It couldn't possibly be because those feminists at the top make ridiculous sums of money from all their activism, right? Useful idiots indeed.

Please, PLEASE say that those concepts are real and rampant so I can publicly show that you are EXACTLY what I've said you were all along.
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The_tall_midget posted...

Mead posted...

Wild that schmen thinks men are oppressed and women need to be put in their place

Im absolutely shocked

And the typical, idiotic, leftist analysis by Mead.

I do not believe women need to be put in their place. I believe society needs to stop pushing false ideas, which happens to often be feminist ideas. Because, as we all know, concepts such as rape culture, toxic masculinity, and the wage gap are 100% factual and out of control in the west, right? It couldn't possibly be that feminists are just opportunistic morons who saw that simps and white knights would give women the worls and then some if they just kept saying they're victims about everything, right? It couldn't possibly be because those feminists at the top make ridiculous sums of money from all their activism, right? Useful idiots indeed.

Please, PLEASE say that those concepts are real and rampant so I can publicly show that you are EXACTLY what I've said you were all along.

Given how poorly you understand the concept of toxic masculinity (I'll take your refusal to answer me as a concession that I'm right), I'm going to presume that you also think that "rape culture" means "a culture where raping people is normal" and "wage gap" means "women are legally prevented from making as much money as men," and that any attempt to engage you on this is going to result in you disproving the terms under your exceedingly rigid interpretations while refusing to acknowledge more nuanced interpretations that actually reflect reality.

Am I wrong?

I wonder how much daily energy he spends being upset about feminists
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Hard to say. He's openly stated that his entire online personality is dedicated to pissing off feminists and SJW's with no regard for what's actually correct, which pretty strongly implies he's just trolling, but he does seem rather dedicated to that trollery.

_AdjI_ posted...

And what if you under eat because you just don't want to have to budget more for food, with the fetus' health being entirely ancillary to that? Oh hey the law restricts your freedom in that regard because being pregnant means no more autonomy for you.

You're also not allowed to kill your child because you don't want to spend money on it.

_AdjI_ posted...

That woman didn't seek medical attention because husband explicitly threatened to hurt her if she did (since you supposedly read the article, you should know this). Blaming her failure to seek medical attention on her sanity is rather foolish of you.

As for childbirth, I sincerely hope you don't think that lying there and letting it happen is a viable enough option to insist that the whole process is passive. Even if it can technically work that way, calling that a viable option is indeed truly insane, and I'm deeply concerned that you brought it up.

Do you really think no mad man has ever threatened a woman to not give birth?

It's viable to let it happen, it's just highly undesirable. You can wash yourself by catching overspray from someone washing their car and rubbing yourself with it, but it's highly undesirable.

It is a passive action, you don't have to help but sane people will.

_AdjI_ posted...

The entire concept of elective surgery says hi.

Cosmetic plastic surgery would've been a "better" example as it's "fixing" a non-existent problem.

You still cannot go to a doctor and say "I don't want my healthy arm, do you mind removing it?" as it's not a medical problem.

_AdjI_ posted...

if you shift your perspective appropriately, nothing is truly passive because every process and action is performed by some entity.

If you shift your perspective enough, we're bobbles in a 9D fabric energy mesh blipping in and out of reality randomly.

In the perspective of non-sunnys, inanimate objects, physical presence and bodily spasms have no agency.
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_AdjI_ posted...

I'm going to presume that you also think that "rape culture" means "a culture where raping people is normal"

Rape culture would indeed be a culture of rape. When you misuse words, people don't understand what you mean.

_AdjI_ posted...

"wage gap" means "women are legally prevented from making as much money as men,"

That's the only one that requires intervention; the fact it's being complained about suggests that is what is meant.

_AdjI_ posted...

any attempt to engage you on this is going to result in you disproving the terms under your exceedingly rigid interpretations while refusing to acknowledge more nuanced interpretations that actually reflect reality.

If reality is that feminists engage in a postmodern "words mean what I want, and if you don't understand me then you're being malicious" mindset.
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I mean stuff like rape culture and wage gap is stupid but I don't know what it has to do with abortion.

I am for euthanasia so I don't see why abortion shouldn't be allowed. It's only going to take nine months to make another one any way

Masturbation kills millions of unborn babies every day, sometimes MULTIPLE times a day!

But go ahead, keep arguing about abortion!
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Mead posted...

Wild that schmen thinks men are oppressed and women need to be put in their place

Im absolutely shocked

Yeah men are so privileged. That's why men make up the overwhelming majority of suicides, homeless, workplace deaths, prison inmates, murder victims, and military casualties

There's no reason to freak out over it since it will just get overturned once it goes to the supreme court since they already ruled on it with Roe vs Wade.
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OhhhJa posted...

Yeah men are so privileged. That's why men make up the overwhelming majority of suicides, homeless, workplace deaths, prison inmates, murder victims, and military casualties

Careful, Mead will ride on his white horse to save muhladies against the horrible oppression they suffer at the hand of men...

Such as these: https://imgur.com/YnNWgnl
Or these: https://img.techpowerup.org/180607/justice-really.jpg
Or these:

I could go on.

In before "FOUNDZ THE INCELZ, LULZ." Followed by 0 argument.
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dioxxys posted...

I mean stuff like rape culture and wage gap is stupid but I don't know what it has to do with abortion.

They are dumb concepts and usually based on misinformation, which makes it all the more funny how some dudes get absolutely obsessed about stuff like that
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The_tall_midget posted...

OhhhJa posted...

Yeah men are so privileged. That's why men make up the overwhelming majority of suicides, homeless, workplace deaths, prison inmates, murder victims, and military casualties

Careful, Mead will ride on his white horse to save muhladies against the horrible oppression they suffer at the hand of men...

Such as these: https://imgur.com/YnNWgnl
Or these: https://img.techpowerup.org/180607/justice-really.jpg
Or these:

I could go on.

In before "FOUNDZ THE INCELZ, LULZ." Followed by 0 argument.

Oh wow, an analysis of the taxes from one year in New Zealand, how applicable to the rest of the world. /sarcasm

Also any research summary that uses the term "Our supreme feminist leaders. . ." is clearly not unbiased and cannot be taken seriously.

Also lol at showing the ratio of deaths by suicide as an argument. Women attempt suicide far more often than men. Men are just better at it, to put it bluntly.

Also, average jail sentence comparisons? Could that be perhaps because men are far more likely to commit violent crimes? Let's not use any logic and instead just blindly share statistics, which is what every idiot does who hasn't actually taken statistics and doesn't understand how easy it is to manipulate them to fit any argument.
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man101 posted...

Also lol at showing the ratio of deaths by suicide as an argument. Women attempt suicide far more often than men. Men are just better at it, to put it bluntly.

And most people that fail at it arent really wanting to. It's a cry for help

man101 posted...

Also, average jail sentence comparisons? Could that be perhaps because men are far more likely to commit violent crimes? Let's not use any logic and instead just blindly share statistics, which is what every idiot does who hasn't actually taken statistics and doesn't understand how easy it is to manipulate them to fit any argument.

There have been studies that show women get lesser sentences for the same crime. Anyway, I like you picked out just a couple of the stats I posted and just made some off the wall hypothesis based on zero research about the sentencing disparity

Wake up sheeple its obvious that the femoids are using unfair tactics in the ancient battle of men vs women
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Mead posted...

Wake up sheeple its obvious that the femoids are using unfair tactics in the ancient battle of men vs women

Mead always resorts to shitty satire when he's been proven wrong. Unfortunately, you arent Stephen Colbert and will never have your own TV show

Ive read that most snarky folk online are just compensating for the fact that theyre desperate to have their own tv shows

Its sad really, we need them in the battle against the femoids
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OhhhJa posted...

man101 posted...

Also lol at showing the ratio of deaths by suicide as an argument. Women attempt suicide far more often than men. Men are just better at it, to put it bluntly.

And most people that fail at it arent really wanting to. It's a cry for help

man101 posted...

Also, average jail sentence comparisons? Could that be perhaps because men are far more likely to commit violent crimes? Let's not use any logic and instead just blindly share statistics, which is what every idiot does who hasn't actually taken statistics and doesn't understand how easy it is to manipulate them to fit any argument.

There have been studies that show women get lesser sentences for the same crime. Anyway, I like you picked out just a couple of the stats I posted and just made some off the wall hypothesis based on zero research about the sentencing disparity

Did you really just try to use the fact that more women attempt suicide as an argument that they are somehow more privileged? What the fuck

Mentioning that men are more likely to commit violent crimes is not an off the wall hypothesis. It's a fact. And I clearly explained why your New Zealand citation is not a good example, for the same reasons as everything else you posted. Out of context statistics clearly twisted to try to show a particular trend.
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man101 posted...

Did you really just try to use the fact that more women attempt suicide as an argument that they are somehow more privileged? What the f***

No? You twisted what I said to try and support your shitty argument

man101 posted...

Mentioning that men are more likely to commit violent crimes is not an off the wall hypothesis. It's a fact. And I clearly explained why your New Zealand citation is not a good example, for the same reasons as everything else you posted. Out of context statistics clearly twisted to try to show a particular trend.

So.youre doubling down on being wrong?

OhhhJa posted...

man101 posted...

Did you really just try to use the fact that more women attempt suicide as an argument that they are somehow more privileged? What the f***

No? You twisted what I said to try and support your shitty argument

man101 posted...

Mentioning that men are more likely to commit violent crimes is not an off the wall hypothesis. It's a fact. And I clearly explained why your New Zealand citation is not a good example, for the same reasons as everything else you posted. Out of context statistics clearly twisted to try to show a particular trend.

So.youre doubling down on being wrong?

I don't even know how to respond to you because I can't tell if your reading comprehension is horrendous or if you're so angrily desperate to prove that women are the cause of all your problems that you're just suppressing your ability to apply logic to a situation. I explained as clearly as I could and you don't seem to understand.
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man101 posted...

I don't even know how to respond to you because I can't tell if your reading comprehension is horrendous or if you're so angrily desperate to prove that women are the cause of all your problems that you're just suppressing your ability to apply logic to a situation. I explained as clearly as I could and you don't seem to understand.

Ahhh we've moved on to ad hominem now. The classic go to of an angry man losing a debate. I've had a kickass gf for over two years and will probably be engaged later this year but yeah I'm a woman hater and women are causing me problems

Careful now @OhhhJa is just a couple steps away from busting out the monkey emojis again
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OhhhJa posted...

man101 posted...

I don't even know how to respond to you because I can't tell if your reading comprehension is horrendous or if you're so angrily desperate to prove that women are the cause of all your problems that you're just suppressing your ability to apply logic to a situation. I explained as clearly as I could and you don't seem to understand.

Ahhh we've moved on to ad hominem now. The classic go to of an angry man losing a debate. I've had a kickass gf for over two years and will probably be engaged later this year but yeah I'm a woman hater and women are causing me problems

And have you shown this women who is going to be engaged to you your nice little collection of statistics that accuse women of being a burden on the tax system for things like daring to have to care for children and all that vile women stuff? Oh, and for having the audacity to not die as much as men in war?
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man101 posted...

And have you shown this women who is going to be engaged to you your nice little collection of statistics that accuse women of being a burden on the tax system for things like daring to have to care for children and all that vile women stuff? Oh, and for having the audacity to not die as much as men in war?

You do realize I didnt post that dont you?

Dang mead why dont you dispute my facts with some of your own? Oh that's right, you dont have any. Damn how does it feel to have such strong beliefs that you cant even back up with anything?

Kyuubi4269 posted...

You're also not allowed to kill your child because you don't want to spend money on it.

Ergo, women lose the ability to legally choose to eat less than their appetite demands once they become pregnant, thereby infringing on their bodily autonomy.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Do you really think no mad man has ever threatened a woman to not give birth?

In a clearly-documented case? I doubt it. If she's delivering in a hospital setting or with any other sort of assistance, that means he's not going to be able to follow through on that threat due to the presence of witnesses. If she's forced to deliver at home while he whacks off to her not pushing, odds are she and the baby will just end up another "died in childbirth" statistic.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

It's viable to let it happen, it's just highly undesirable.

"Viable" and "technically possible" are not the same thing.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Cosmetic plastic surgery would've been a "better" example as it's "fixing" a non-existent problem.

No, any elective surgery works. You have something going on with your body that you feel impedes your ability to live life as you desire, so you get it fixed, even though it's not life-threatening. This describes the abortion of an unwanted pregnancy quite accurately.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

If you shift your perspective enough, we're bobbles in a 9D fabric energy mesh blipping in and out of reality randomly.

Sure, but that's getting away from "semantic reductionism" territory and into "making up nonsense because you don't understand the point territory," so I can't say I really see much reason to consider that angle.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

Rape culture would indeed be a culture of rape.

Much like "hydrophobic" means that the tails of phospholipids contain tiny amygdalas that generate a fear response, right?

Sometimes, concepts are described using terms which most closely summarize them, even if that means there's some room for interpretation. "Culture that is too permissive of and too willing to normalize sexual violence and harassment" doesn't really roll off the tongue as well.

Kyuubi4269 posted...

That's the only one that requires intervention; the fact it's being complained about suggests that is what is meant.

That's... really not how language works. But I'll humour you by saying that it's not the only one that requires intervention, but rather the only one that's easy to intervene in. The actual wage gap is a consequence of deep-seeded cultural trends and attitudes that influence career choices, which many people are happy to hand-wave away instead of trying to do something about it by changing their own attitudes. That's what's being complained about.

Kyuubi4269 posted...
If reality is that feminists engage in a postmodern "words mean what I want, and if you don't understand me then you're being malicious" mindset.

Yes, feminists invented the concept of connotations, and the people deliberately ignoring connotations are the real victims of undeserved character assassination.

Now, that's not to say a great many SJW-types don't make far too many assumptions about how well-understood their choice of jargon is and/or become defensive and presume malice instead of explaining themselves when questioned. As a whole, people are often pretty bad at communicating concepts they feel should be self-evident. But you're kidding yourself if you don't think many of the people doing the questioning are being deliberately obtuse and refuse to listen to those explanations or address the actual point being said instead of quibbling over terminology.