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05/14/19 6:25:50 PM
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I've been playing through the series in the originally intended order by the developers (5-3-4), making topics as I go along, and it's finally time for P4. First we had Brent Johnson (P5) and his lover Makoto, then we had Frank Svensson and his lovers Yukari, Aigis, Chihiro, and Maya (I'd have had Mitsuru in that harem as well but for the reversal mechanic), and soon there will be another high schooler with a clearly Japanese name and a girlfriend. I'll post my thoughts and opinions as I go along. I am playing the PS2 version, not the Vita version, because I don't own a Vita. I know there's extra content in it, but I'll just have to miss it.

Please don't post spoilers until I reach the appropriate part of the game. However, I will spoil P3 and P5 freely.

Full disclosure, I know the following things:
- Its color is yellow, whereas P3's is blue and P5's is red.
- People call it the Scooby-Doo game.
- The main villain is the scruffy-looking guy, I don't know his name but I know he's a meme on 4chan. I considered lying and pretending I didn't know this so that I could 'figure it out' early on and impress everyone with my mystery solving skills, but after screwing up so badly on P3 and P5's mysteries, I don't think there's any redeeming myself anyway.
- It takes place in a rural town instead of a big city like the other games.
- The Morgana of this game is a talking teddy bear who turns into a human.
- There's a fat ugly schoolgirl.
- The Lovers arcana girl has the same hairstyle as Ann.
- There's a girl named Marie whom fans complain doesn't fit in with the rest of the game, but I don't know why.

Questions I have:
1. Is any of the added content in P4G significant?
2. Are girls automatically romanced once you hit the appropriate social link rank, or do you have to make it happen on purpose? I don't want awkward Valentine's Day stuff happening, so I need to know in advance if I should stop after a certain rank.
3. Are the dungeons better than P3's? Because that's not a high bar.
4. Does knowing who the villain is in advance ruin the game's story?

And because people asked in the previous topics,
Makoto >= Kawakami > Aigis > Shadow Sae > Sae > Haru > Yukari > Futaba > Toriumi > Mitsuru > Tae > Hifumi > Ann > Chihiro > Fuuka > Chihaya > Yuko > Ohya

The game is currently paused on the title screen, so now it's time to begin.
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05/14/19 6:31:32 PM
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I've been playing through the series in the originally intended order by the developers (5-3-4),


What?
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Sceptilesolar
05/14/19 6:34:51 PM
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1. Is any of the added content in P4G significant?
2. Are girls automatically romanced once you hit the appropriate social link rank, or do you have to make it happen on purpose? I don't want awkward Valentine's Day stuff happening, so I need to know in advance if I should stop after a certain rank.
3. Are the dungeons better than P3's? Because that's not a high bar.
4. Does knowing who the villain is in advance ruin the game's story?


1. Significant? Sure. The most significant addition is a new dungeon revolving around the Golden-exclusive Marie, and a month and a bit of extra days for those events.
2. You can choose to romance or reject them, like P5.
3. Yes, but they're not great still. They at least have a clear theme and some gimmicks, but a lot closer to P3 than P5.
4. It's a shame, but it's not going to ruin things, certainly.
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05/14/19 6:49:27 PM
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I've been playing through the series in the originally intended order by the developers (5-3-4),


What?

That is what is called a joke, since I obviously played the games in the wrong order.

- Normal difficulty chosen, but can I say how weird it is that the options are laid out as Normal-Beginner-Expert instead of Beginner-Normal-Expert?
- "Please sit back and enjoy the game," this is an odd way to open the game.
- Whenever I see one of these "purely a work of fiction" title screens, I always think of Assassin's Creed 1's talking about how the team that made the game is diverse.

- Igor and his attendant (who looks like an adult-ass woman, as opposed to Elizabeth and the Twins) are on a train? I didn't expect he'd be the first thing I see in the game, that's a change from P3 and P5.
- I notice Igor gives me the opportunity to name myself before I get to see the P4 protagonist, is this some kind of meta thing?
- Like Brent Johnson and Frank Svensson before him, so now begin the adventures of Greg Carlson.
- Igor pulls out some cards and tells me that a terrible catastrophe is imminent. Well I didn't need the cards to tell me that, the game has to have some kind of plot about a godlike creature ending humanity, this is a JRPG, after all. He tells me there'll be a misfortune and mystery at my destination, hm. After I enter into a contract, I'll return to the Velvet Room. I wonder what counts as a contract in the Personaverse. Isn't using a credit card technically a contract with whomever you're using it with?
- The assistant is Margaret, and she does indeed look way older than Elizabeth and the Twins.
- An anime cutscene starts by immediately thrusting teenage boobs in my face. This turns out to be a commercial for soda.
- We learn that Greg transferred to a new school a little while ago. He also owns a modern-looking smartphone, that's not bad for 2008.
- We learn that there's a politician who's having an affair, and this is apparently major news? I've gotta say, that seems incredibly stupid. I guess it's Japan and not America, are affairs taken that seriously over there?
- Greg gets off the train at a dumpy-looking station (apparently by himself) and meets an older guy named Ryotaro Dojima and his little daughter Nadako. He tells Greg that he's his uncle, but uh, wouldn't Greg already know that?
- We get a little cutscene of the area, and it's definitely less glitzy than P5's areas, though I'm not sure about P3's.
- Japanese gas stations have attendants who fuel up your car?!
- "There's so little to do, I'm sure you'll get bored fast. You'll either be hanging out with your friends or getting a job." This was true in Tokyo in P5, too, though!
- Finally we reach Dojima's house and have dinner sitting on our knees on the floor. That looks really uncomfortable. Dojima says we'll have a toast, but then we drink without toasting to anything in particular. Dojima says it's rough to be stuck in this town because of his parents' work right next to his daughter.
- Dojima gets a call. Just from the tone of voice and his tie, I'm guessing he's a cop. I ask Nanako about it and she says he's a detective, nailed it!
- "You can save the game by using the calendar in the living room." Jesus Christ, even in 2008, no one used wall calendars and you damn well know it.
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LeonhartFour
05/14/19 6:54:02 PM
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1. Is any of the added content in P4G significant?
2. Are girls automatically romanced once you hit the appropriate social link rank, or do you have to make it happen on purpose? I don't want awkward Valentine's Day stuff happening, so I need to know in advance if I should stop after a certain rank.
3. Are the dungeons better than P3's? Because that's not a high bar.
4. Does knowing who the villain is in advance ruin the game's story?


1. Depends on your definition of "significant." It does add a couple of extra S. Links, an extra dungeon, and a bunch of (mostly for fun) events.
2. You can choose friends or lovers in P4, but the Valentine's Day thing is only in Golden, so there are no consequences for romancing all the girls in this one (Reversing Arcanas is--for the most part--not a thing in P4).
3. They're not great, but if you hated Tartarus, they're at least better than that. The first couple are the worst though, just as fair warning. They mostly get better as the game goes along.
4. Eh, I don't think so. There is a pretty satisfying "aha!" feeling once you figure it out, but there's enough content elsewhere to keep you into it.

P4 is my favorite of the three, so good luck!
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LeonhartFour
05/14/19 6:57:43 PM
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- Igor and his attendant (who looks like an adult-ass woman, as opposed to Elizabeth and the Twins) are on a train?


I think it's a limo, actually.

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Greg gets off the train at a dumpy-looking station (apparently by himself) and meets an older guy named Ryotaro Dojima and his little daughter Nadako. He tells Greg that he's his uncle, but uh, wouldn't Greg already know that?


I think the implication is that he hasn't seen Dojima since he was really little so he probably barely remembers him.

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- Japanese gas stations have attendants who fuel up your car?!


In some countries, you are not allowed to pump your own gas, yes.
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05/14/19 7:23:42 PM
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- Greg does not eat the fried rice in the fridge.
- Greg goes up to his room and finds that it's a third the size of convicted felon Brent Johnson's.
- Greg has a dream where he's in a foggy area with a door that I know is a door only because of the text box, and otherwise looks like a carpet hanging on a wall. Anyway, I continue through the door and get into a fight with a shadowy figure, complete with my katana, but lose because I can't see through the fog.
- I'm just going to say here, this opening is incredibly confusing compared to P3's and P5's. The first time I'm seeing the word 'persona' is in the battle menu.
- The next morning, Nanko has made breakfast because her dad's a deadbeat. Will this drama be resolved by the end of the game with the aid of Greg Carlson after a crazy adventure involving the inner demons of humanity?! Who can say...
- On the way to school, Greg encounters a clumsy guy on a bicycle with a character portrait. Gee, I wonder if this is the Junpei/Ryuji of the game, I can't possssssssiiiiibbbbbbbllllllyyyyyyy guess. I like how I don't even get the opportunity to ask him if I can help, though, I just move on without a word.
- In class, there's the clumsy guy and two girls with unique models wearing red and green while everyone else is in uniforms. It's good that this game about mysteries is making it so hard to guess who will be important to the plot.
- Oh my God, this teacher's teeth, he's my new favorite character. He's such a dick, I love it. He even makes a reference to MySpace, what a timely reference that will never get old.
- I just realized none of the students have backpacks.
- After class, all of the kids are put into their classrooms, the teachers get called away, and we can hear cop cars through fog but not see them. Could this be related to the mysterious foggy dream? I wonder...
- We learn that the mistress in the political affair is staying at an inn owned by black-haired girl's family.
- All of the students are kicked out of the school grounds. But the most important part of this is that one of the characters is listed as "Girl's friend" even though she is also a girl.
- We finally learn brown-haired girl is Chie and black-haired girl is Yukiko. First impressions: Chie is more interesting, but Yukiko is clearly way prettier, sorry. Chie's hair is really bad.
- Soon we meet a weird-looking student with black pupils who gets angry Yukiko won't go out with him. He sounds unimportant to the story, I won't pay attention to him further.
- Greg and the girls stumble on a crime scene, but the cops already removed the body. Dojima tells us to go home, but we see the scruffy-looking detective Adachi at the scene vomiting. Argh, I wish I hadn't known in advance that he's the villain, it would have been fun to see if I could figure it out.
- At home, Nanako and I are watching TV. We learn that the dead body was the mistress in the political affair, dun dun dun. The cops are unsure if the death is an accident or a homicide. Yes, this death where a woman in a scandalous affair was found hanging from an antenna in a suburb might easily be an accident, I can see that.
- We get another ad for Junes, they'll be a villain as well, I'm sure of it. There wouldn't need to be such an emphasis on them otherwise.
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Anagram
05/14/19 7:25:07 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
I think the implication is that he hasn't seen Dojima since he was really little so he probably barely remembers him.

Yeah, I guess.
LeonhartFour posted...
In some countries, you are not allowed to pump your own gas, yes.

I knew that's the law in some US state (New Jersey?), but I had no idea that was true in Japan.

And I don't get Marie in this game? Is she anything interesting?
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Xiahou Shake
05/14/19 7:26:20 PM
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LeonhartFour posted...
In some countries, you are not allowed to pump your own gas, yes.

This is also the case in New Jersey and, until very recently, Oregon, believe it or not! (Tag)
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Sceptilesolar
05/14/19 7:27:31 PM
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I don't hate Marie, but she's pretty much a boilerplate tsundere character.
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Reg
05/14/19 7:27:42 PM
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Marie is pretty divisive. Some people greatly enjoy her, but at least as many don't care for her.

You are definitely missing out by not playing Golden regardless, but not by enough to justify not playing the game
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05/14/19 7:30:28 PM
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Reg posted...
Marie is pretty divisive. Some people greatly enjoy her, but at least as many don't care for her.

You are definitely missing out by not playing Golden regardless, but not by enough to justify not playing the game

This. All of this.
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LeonhartFour
05/14/19 7:44:03 PM
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I like how I don't even get the opportunity to ask him if I can help, though, I just move on without a word.


You should leave them be.

Also, Golden is totally worth it if you end up loving the game.
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xp1337
05/14/19 7:55:04 PM
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Yes, this death where a woman in a scandalous affair was found hanging from an antenna in a suburb might easily be an accident, I can see that.

maybe she was an avid skydiver you don't know!

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05/14/19 8:09:10 PM
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- The next day, clumsy guy introduces himself as Yosuke.
- Mr. Morooka is such an unrelenting dick, I love it. But it's really weird that the entire game up to this point is voiced, that scene (which is maybe 20 seconds long) is unvoiced, and then the scene after is voiced again.
- Yosuke, Chie, and Greg decide to go out for food after school. We go to Junes, the local mall, and learn that Yosuke's dad manages it. We see Saki, and I know she's not going to be a party member solely because her eyes are too narrow. She gives me 'murdered girl' vibes, don't know why.
- Chie tells us to look into a blank TV at midnight on a rainy night to see another person who will your soulmate.
- Okay, sorry, upon watching the news, apparently the affair was between the murdered woman and the secretary of a city councilman? That seems like the most non-newsworthy story of all time.
- The news puts on an interview with the girl who found the body, but the image is blurred and her voice is messed up. But from the fact that I know three girls so far, and two of them cannot be it, it must be Saki. Even the narration just flat-out tells me it's Saki.
- The news complains that the cops can't figure out if it's an accident or a homicide, come on, guys, it's been two days. Even Fox isn't this ridiculous.
- That night, Greg stays up to try looking into the TV. We know it's important because it's an anime cutscene. Holy *** Greg's eyes are so far apart on his face, this is so poorly drawn.
- The TV flashes to life and we briefly see a female figure on it, and someone starts talking about how I am thou and thou are I, and thou art the one who opens the door. Gotta say, that's an odd way to introduce us to personas in this game. Greg touches the TV and gets sucked into it, and I literally laughed out loud when the cutscene ended and I saw Greg head inside of the TV while he struggled because his shoulders were too big to fit through the screen, I don't know why that was so funny. Anyway, Greg frees himself from the TV.
- The next day, we have world history class. The teacher introduces herself, but isn't this the third day of school?
- After that, everyone assembles to talk about looking into the TV at midnight. Chie asks what it means that her soulmate is a girl. I, uh... I've heard of denial, but, uh...
- They refuse to believe that I got sucked into a TV, but they're fine with seeing the same girl on their magical TVs?
- Chie talks about how the TV at the department store is 'huge.' It's almost exactly the size of the TV I am playing the game on right now. Meta.
- Greg touches the TV for no reason and gets his arm sucked in. The others are amazed. Completely logically, Greg just climbs inside. Everyone panics when customers show up and get dragged into the TV together.
- "Ow, I landed right on my wallet!"
- Everyone lands in a studio masked by yellow fog. Everyone quickly realizes that there's nowhere in Inaba like this.
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05/14/19 8:09:12 PM
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- I actually really like how Chie was assertive before and is now freaked out, it adds a lot to her character.
- We wander around until we find a scary door with black and red swirls. I'm just saying, if I'm a freaked-out sixteen year-old, I'm not going near that door.
- Through the door, the fog becomes lighter. We find ourselves in a room covered in blood and posters with their faces cut out. There's a scarf noose and a chair in the middle of the room, suicide-style.
- Yosuke tries to pee in the creepy murder room. He can't not because it's covered in blood, but because Chie watches him.
- We meet Teddy, and no one is afraid of him. I'm just saying, this thing is way more terrifying than the murder room. We soon learn that Teddy lives here and is annoyed that "someone's been throwing people in here." Teddy summons some TVs and pushes us out back into the real world.
- In the real world, we learn that the posters with their faces cut out were of Misuzu Hiiragi, the woman whose husband cheated on her. Yosuke quickly puts together that the creepy murder room might be related to a murder. I can tell this guy is a real genius. Everyone agrees to stop talking about this for now and go home.
- At home, Dojima tells Greg that Saki disappeared. I can see why a detective would tell his unrelated nephew about a missing person case related to a murder. From the news, we learn that the murdered mistress was staying at the inn run by Yukiko's family. "The manager's teenage daughter is rumored to take over the inn this spring" WHAT why would you entrust your only tourist attraction to a sixteen year-old? I would barely consider entrusting a car to a sixteen year-old.
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profDEADPOOL
05/14/19 8:15:44 PM
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- The next day, we have world history class. The teacher introduces herself, but isn't this the third day of school?

You don't necessarily have the same classes every day of the week???

Seems extremely likely that was the first day to have the world history class.
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05/14/19 8:22:44 PM
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profDEADPOOL posted...
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- The next day, we have world history class. The teacher introduces herself, but isn't this the third day of school?

You don't necessarily have the same classes every day of the week???

Seems extremely likely that was the first day to have the world history class.

There are such things as block schedules, but those are every other day, not every three days, dammit.
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profDEADPOOL
05/14/19 8:24:03 PM
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- The next day, we have world history class. The teacher introduces herself, but isn't this the third day of school?

You don't necessarily have the same classes every day of the week???

Seems extremely likely that was the first day to have the world history class.

There are such things as block schedules, but those are every other day, not every three days, dammit.

How do you know that's not the case in Japan exactly, esp since they tend to have school on Saturdays also for high school.
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05/14/19 9:31:18 PM
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profDEADPOOL posted...

How do you know that's not the case in Japan exactly, esp since they tend to have school on Saturdays also for high school.

I guess I technically don't, but it would surprise me.
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05/14/19 10:42:49 PM
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It just occurred to me how quickly you get to know all of your classmates. It takes a really long time for P3's and P5's classmates to warm up to you, but here everyone is just immediately friends.

- Anyway, the next day, another girl is hung from a telephone pole. There's a school assembly, and Principal Charles Darwin (he looks exactly like Charles Darwin) tells us that it was Saki. Yesssssss, I nailed that ****. He tells us that bullying wasn't involved in the incident. I would be impressed if it was, that's some impressive bullying if it ends with someone hanging from a telephone pole.
- Antenna, telephone pole... Both have to do with modern information technology. Important? I dunno.
- Yosuke thinks the girl on the screen was Saki, which I'd already guessed. He puts together that both murdered women were on the Midnight Channel before they died. Maybe I undersold him by calling him the Junpei/Ryuji of the game. I like how Chie is momentarily surprised by the idea of supernatural stuff after traveling to a TV dimension and meeting a talking teddie bear.
- Yosuke's plan is to have Chie wait with a rope in the real world to act as a lifeline, while he and Greg go into the TV dimension armed with... a golf club. I love how Chie is just left in the real world holding a rope awkwardly dangling into the TV, though it quickly gets cut off. I'm also surprised by how whiny she's gotten all of a sudden. Who knew adolescent children would have a hard time adapting to the supernatural?
- Yosuke is happy when he learns that the TVs are connected to specific locations in the TV dimension, but uh... He's never been through another TV, right? So how does he know this place extends beyond what he saw earlier?
- We learn from Teddie that someone's been throwing people into this dimension and causing it to get messed up, that if it's foggy in the real world, the fog lifts in this dimension and causes Shadows to appear. Yosuke also puts together that this is where the Midnight Channel is filmed. I've gotta say, he's basically proven to be the smartest Persona party member ever so far. We also learn that Teddie's head can come off, and that is just terrifying.
- Teddie makes us promise to find the culprit. I like how my only choices are "I promise" and "We've got no choice..." At least give me a "No" option that forces me to redo the dialogue until I say yes, dammit!
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05/14/19 10:42:51 PM
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- He gives us each a pair of glasses that lift the fog. I assume all of this will be explained later.
- We move on and Teddie tells us that "weird places" have appeared recently. One of them replicated the shopping district from town. Yosuke quickly puts together that we're near Saki's parents' store and we find another mysterious doorway. We get attacked by some shadows, and this triggers George's persona. Rock music plays as his hand explodes into flame, and a persona, Izanagi, appears behind him. Can I just say that if I hadn't played P3 and P5, I would have no idea what's happening?
- Actually, I'll also say that I remember Izanagi. Isn't he that Japanese god who traveled into the Underworld to find his dead wife, then rejected her when he saw she was ugly now that she was dead?
- After the battle, we hear peoples' thoughts about how they wish Junes would fail. Don't worry, folks. I'm in 2019, and I can tell you that malls are going under all the time. Just hold out until then!
- We put together that this place is reality for the people who live here. So this is how Saki saw things, and even her father complains about her working at the mall.
- Saki's voice complains about Yosuke, and we learn that she was depressed and angry.
- We meet a doppelganger of Yosuke who has the same the digitized voice as the Saki had on the news clip. So obviously the news clip of Saki was Shadow Saki, got it.
- The other Yosuke says he's Yosuke's shadow, then turns into a monster. Gotta say, that's a much bigger monster than I expected from Yosuke's inner darkness or whatever. I fight the boss, and embarrassingly, I have to use a medicine to get through it. Not my finest moment.
- Yosuke accepts that the shadow is him, and gains the persona Jiraiya. That one is too obscure for me, though, sorry.
- We figure out that the shopping district formed because of the people who entered the world knowing it. The people are thrown into the TV dimension, wander around until the fog clears, and get killed by their shadow selves. I especially like how Yosuke repeats the plot like three times to make absolutely sure the audience gets it.
- We decide to save anyone else who gets thrown in here, and Teddie starts asking questions about where he came from. I didn't realize how much Morgana was ripping off this guy.
- Teddie summons a way out for us, and after a Samurai Jack opening sequence, we fall back into the real world. Chie is mad at us and runs off.
- At home, we watch TV. I like how the creepy news reporter is basically hitting on a teenager.
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LeonhartFour
05/15/19 1:19:49 AM
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Maybe I undersold him by calling him the Junpei/Ryuji of the game.


Oh, he definitely still is, but he's also gotta be smarter than them because this is a murder mystery with a silent protagonist, so he gets to be the Sherlock and the Watson rolled into one, at least for now.

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Actually, I'll also say that I remember Izanagi. Isn't he that Japanese god who traveled into the Underworld to find his dead wife, then rejected her when he saw she was ugly now that she was dead?


You are correct. The story is told in a classroom lecture later on for the benefit of those who didn't already know this.

Also Shadow Yosuke is great.
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05/15/19 1:44:47 AM
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LeonhartFour posted...
Oh, he definitely still is, but he's also gotta be smarter than them because this is a murder mystery with a silent protagonist, so he gets to be the Sherlock and the Watson rolled into one, at least for now.

Makes sense.

LeonhartFour posted...
You are correct. The story is told in a classroom lecture later on for the benefit of those who didn't already know this.

This reminds me of MGS3 explaining Adam and Eve but not Volgin's obscure reference.
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05/15/19 3:17:47 AM
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Neato, I just finished my fourth playthrough of the game about a week ago! It was Golden, though, and it does change up some gameplay stuff. I haven't played base Persona 4 in about a decade. I hope you enjoy my favorite RPG of all-time!

Also, putting Yosuke in the same class as Junpei/Ryuji is a massive insult to Yosuke.
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05/15/19 10:06:07 AM
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This reminds me of MGS3 explaining Adam and Eve but not Volgin's obscure reference.


I almost said this so you didn't have to talk about this for the billionth time.
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05/15/19 10:25:42 AM
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LeonhartFour posted...
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This reminds me of MGS3 explaining Adam and Eve but not Volgin's obscure reference.


I almost said this so you didn't have to talk about this for the billionth time.

I will never stop thinking its funny.
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05/15/19 10:26:13 AM
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Also, Im surprised by how many people consider this to be their favorite Persona. Ive heard that from a bunch of people now.
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05/15/19 10:32:56 AM
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05/15/19 10:34:02 AM
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05/15/19 10:47:09 AM
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It's actually the worst of the modern era Persona games!
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05/15/19 11:32:48 AM
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5>4>3 tbh
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05/15/19 11:41:54 AM
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5 > 3 > 4 for me.

They're all good and 5 and 3 switch places every few weeks. 4 is solidly on the bottom though!
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05/15/19 11:46:24 AM
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profDEADPOOL posted...
5>4>3 tbh

(They're all real good though, and tbh 4 and 5 are both top 10 games ever made)
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05/15/19 11:53:53 AM
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4 >= 3 >>>>>> 5 imo. 4 & 3 are top two all time for me and 5 is considerably lower. Dunno where exactly, but probably not even top 30
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05/15/19 12:11:42 PM
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No one's ever told me to play 1 or 2. I know they don't have the life sim aspect, what are they even like? Are they just not worth playing at all?
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LeonhartFour
05/15/19 12:41:53 PM
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People say good things about 2, but I haven't heard much positive about the original.
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05/15/19 1:33:57 PM
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Actually, I asked this in an earlier topic but forgot the answer, are SMT and Persona canon with each other? I know they both involve fighting demons.
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05/15/19 1:59:24 PM
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I ran a Persona ranking topic a few weeks ago, and the results were pretty split on what people thought of the series. The one thing that was fairly clear was that 3 was pretty definitively the weakest. The gap between 4 and 5 was pretty minuscule; 5 just barely edged out 4 for the top spot.
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05/15/19 2:29:49 PM
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Actually, I asked this in an earlier topic but forgot the answer, are SMT and Persona canon with each other? I know they both involve fighting demons.

SMT is canonically a multiverse, so no reason why it wouldn't be <_<

They have no real plot connections (or even easter eggs, besides the demon/persona rosters themselves) though iirc. Outside of things like P5 DLC costumes.
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05/15/19 3:30:31 PM
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P4 is a top ten game, especially when paired with the improvements from Golden. P5 is a top 50 game. P3 is a top 75ish game.

I think in terms of cast chemistry (which is a big factor for me in RPGs), P4 might have the best in any game I've played.
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05/15/19 6:18:35 PM
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Tonight.
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05/16/19 10:34:01 AM
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- That night, Greg goes to his room and watches the Midnight Channel again. He sees another girl, this one looks exactly like the girl from The Ring but no one else seems to think so. He tries to go into the TV, wondering if he can reach the girl, but again it's too small. Hey, uh... I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be THAT hard to find a larger TV, there's literally one downstairs.
- That night, Igor tells him to show up in the Velvet Room whenever he needs to fuse personas or whatever, yeah, yeah, I get the gist, I've danced this dance before, Igor.
- The next day, Yosuke is all "We can't prove to the cops that the murderer throws people into the TV" even though there's a TV in the living room in the house you stay in with a cop. I mean obviously there'd be huge consequences for showing Dojima that, but still! We also learn that all persona-users can travel into TVs. Dammit! I predicted Fool card, but Yosuke is Magician.
- Chie tells us that the person on TV was probably Yukiko, and she's absent today. Eventually Chie calls Yukiko and learns she's fine, so Yosuke begins to suspect something is up.
- There are too many customers at Junes to go into the TV, including a couple literally ten feet away. Yosuke's clever plan? Stand between the couple and the TV while Greg sticks his head inside. I mean, even if they looked directly into Yosuke's back, you could still easily see Greg in the TV, I'm just saying. Anyway, they confirm with Teddie that no one's inside. Chie decides to warn Yukiko anyway.
- By the way, the most unrealistic thing in this entire game is that a group of teenagers only exchange cell numbers on the fourth day they know each other.
- That night, the cops discuss how these murders can't be related to the love triangle and the bodies were meant to be found. I'd just like to say that even if I didn't know it's Detective Bad Guy, I would still probably think it's him at this point. He's the only character introduced so far who's an adult with mysterious motives and an unknown background, and there's no other reason to give him a unique character portrait.
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05/16/19 11:18:20 AM
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Persona 4 is my favorite too. It's lighter on plot and lighter on atmosphere, and to compensate for this it goes all-in on characters, but thankfully the characters are all A+ so it works out.
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- That night on the Midnight Channel, we have an anime cutscene of Yukiko dressed in a pink dress and running into an evil portal while talking about how she's going to find a bunch of studs. I'm guessing Detective Bad Guy hates women who reject men or otherwise have unusual sexual lives.
- The next day, Nanako tells Greg to leave her alone. Responsible teenager that he is, he leaves the six year-old alone in the house. I'm just riffing on him, given the circumstances that's obviously the only real option, but it's still funny.
- Yosuke has two fake weapons. I mean, I know that fake weapons work in the cognitive realms or whatever, but no one told him that! Some cops arrest us for having real-looking swords. At the station, we meet Detective Bad Guy and learn that Yukiko is gone and some stuff about her private life that I'm sure will have no importance.
- Chie meets up with us and takes us to a guy who sells weapons. I like how we have a long conversation about concealing weapons right next to the clerk. Afterwards, Igor says here's the Velvet Room, etc.
- Finally the world opens up slightly, in that I can walk around the shopping district. After spending almost all of my money on items, we head to Junes. I like how we had to split up because the cops would be suspicious, but then we all just go to the exact same table that the cop originally arrested us at.
- We go into the TV Dimension, Chie included, and meet Teddie. He takes us to a castle, and we discuss how Yukiko was on the Midnight Channel before she disappeared. Teddie guesses that these "programs" are created by the people themselves, then Chie runs in by herself to separate herself from the people who can protect her. I also notice that this area is called "Yukiko's Castle," interesting.
- Eventually I realize I can switch party members to be controlled instead of acting on their own, which makes the battles run more smoothly.
- Oh god, this card drawing mechanic is way more difficult than P3's.
- Can I still sneak up on shadows like in P3? Because I swear they always see me even when I sneak up from behind.
- Eventually we find Chie, but she's distracted by hearing Yukiko's inner thoughts about her own worthlessness. Shadow Chie appears and says that we need to fight her if we want her to join the party, so Greg says okay.
- "I can't win as a girl, let alone as a person."
- Okay, this is a pretty imaginative boss, a KKK dominatrix sitting on top of a tower of schoolgirls holding her up. I give this a 10/10 for inner demon measurement.
- Ever notice how everyone's personas are gender-appropriate? Just once, I'd like to see a girl with a boy persona.
- Oh god, are all of the character personas based on Japanese mythology? Because I know Izanagi, Izunami, Amaterasu, and Susano-o, and nothing else.
- Teddie tells us that Yukiko will be safe here until the fog lifts because she's a normal person. His knowledge of the TV Dimension sure seems to come and go as convenient for the plot!
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05/16/19 11:42:33 AM
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- We go back to the entrance. I like how Teddie gives Chie a different pair of glasses, as if he's aware that male and female glasses have different styles.
- Everyone appoints Greg as leader because "you're way better in a fight than either of us" despite no one having seen Chie fight before.
- Investigation Team social link: established. Why did P5 cut out team or group-based confidants?
- I accidentally skip too fast through the text box that explains when I'm allowed to go to Junes, is it just saying that I can only go after school and on Sundays?
- Afterwards, Dojima says not to get myself into trouble. He seems like he knows a lot about how teenage boys operate.

I've enjoyed the game so far.
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05/16/19 12:15:13 PM
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- The next day, everyone agrees that it's interesting that Greg didn't have a shadow, and decide it's because he's already an open guy who draws people to him.
- Funky Student and his 70s afro is now my favorite character.
- "I want to be a meteorologist when I get older!" said no one ever.
- Interesting, I can go to the shopping district and other places, but the mall isn't explorable.
- I have barely enough money to buy chain mail and weapons for Greg and Yosuke and a bunch of healing items. I actually debated about this because Chie's new weapon is much, much better than theirs, but it's more expensive and there's only one of her.

Stopping for now, will continue later.
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05/16/19 1:46:40 PM
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Some impressions so far:
- I like P4's cast so far, especially Yosuke.
- It's soooo nice to be able to control your allies, that alone makes the battles a million times easier to deal with. I don't know why they even include the option to not control them.
- Teddie's more annoying than Morgana.
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05/16/19 1:49:31 PM
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- Investigation Team social link: established. Why did P5 cut out team or group-based confidants?

Persona 5 had the twins as one S Link tho?
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05/16/19 1:52:24 PM
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profDEADPOOL posted...
Persona 5 had the twins as one S Link tho?

Even that is still technically one person!
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