Current Events > Elizabeth Warren with that subtweet at Sanders & Buttigeig *eye emoji*

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1128314853595189249


No lies detected tho

I really fucking hate Twitter for stuff like this...

Very impressive statement though.
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I agree with what she's saying, but at the same time I feel as though appearing on FoxNews is the only way to penetrate that large section of their viewership that only watches FoxNews. Those people will only hear negative things about Warren, and won't hear any of her actual words
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Spooking posted...

Too scared to go on Fox News. I knew she was weak.

Yup.

She just confirmed she's not presidential material.
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eston posted...

I agree with what she's saying, but at the same time I feel as though appearing on FoxNews is the only way to penetrate that large section of their viewership that only watches FoxNews. Those people will only hear negative things about Warren, and won't hear any of her actual words

I guess shes gonna have to prove people wrong, because Im more on this side, but Im willing to let her try

That's a solid justification. But I'm also sympathetic to the argument that Fox News is the only way to reach some voters... not that it matters much for the primary, but the eventual Democratic nominee needs to start building name recognition across the entire electorate now (if they don't already have it).
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Why is this ok but people hate Trump for doing this to CNN?

I don't care for politics but remembered the reaction when Trump did this to CNN or some news company.
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Lebronwon posted...

Why is this ok but people hate Trump for doing this to CNN?

I don't care for politics but remembered the reaction when Trump did this to CNN or some news company.

CNN nor is MSNBC the equivalent of Fox News

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John_Galt posted...

Spooking posted...

Too scared to go on Fox News. I knew she was weak.

Yup.

She just confirmed she's not presidential material.

In addition to being a huge fucking racist herself. Her calling anyone else racist is 100% classic projection at its core.

Eye emoji, indeed
https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/1128323864784789504

Like, she's entirely correct not to want to go on the White Nationalist's Favorite Channel, but "Democrats boycotting Fox will cripple it" is not a good reason.
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Sounds like Warren doesn't tow party lines either, adding to the list of things she's screwed the pooch on.

Fox is normal GOP media.
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Eyeroll emoji
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Antifar posted...

Eye emoji, indeed
https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/1128323864784789504

Like, she's entirely correct not to want to go on the White Nationalist's Favorite Channel, but "Democrats boycotting Fox will cripple it" is not a good reason.

I don't think she's saying boycotting Fox for content cripples Fox, after all she still expects to see them at any public event any Democratic candidate hosts. She is saying don't give them exclusive content because they don't act in good faith and don't deserve the ad revenue.
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Annihilated posted...

John_Galt posted...

Spooking posted...

Too scared to go on Fox News. I knew she was weak.

Yup.

She just confirmed she's not presidential material.

In addition to being a huge fucking racist herself. Her calling anyone else racist is 100% classic projection at its core.

How is she a huge fucking racist?

Fox News is just as much trash as CNN and MSNBC.

Anyway, making this topic about Bernie and Buttigieg is weird, tc.
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Trump doesn't go on CNN, he's weak and scared.

Warren refuses to go on Fox News, she's strong and brave.

What a fucking country.
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eh, seems like a performative move to get attention and support in a crowded democratic field and nothing more to me
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Annihilated posted...

John_Galt posted...

Spooking posted...

Too scared to go on Fox News. I knew she was weak.

Yup.

She just confirmed she's not presidential material.

In addition to being a huge fucking racist herself. Her calling anyone else racist is 100% classic projection at its core.

Eyeroll emoji
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Balrog0 posted...

eh, seems like a performative move to get attention and support in a crowded democratic field and nothing more to me

It's definitely more than that. Many on the left are constantly wondering why our luminaries keep going on Fox in good faith and then get surprised to find the conversation isn't on the up and up. Few institutions have been as destructive to political discourse in America as Fox news and a big part of that is the impulse by politicians to legitimatize them as journalists and default to norms where they should probably leave them alone. Let their copy writers spin the narrative they were going to spin anyway.
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eston posted...

I agree with what she's saying, but at the same time I feel as though appearing on FoxNews is the only way to penetrate that large section of their viewership that only watches FoxNews. Those people will only hear negative things about Warren, and won't hear any of her actual words

This implies Fox News viewers would ever vote Democrat.
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hollow_shrine posted...

It's definitely more than that. Many on the left are constantly wondering why our luminaries keep going on Fox in good faith and then get surprised to find the conversation isn't on the up and up. Few institutions have been as destructive to political discourse in America as Fox news and a big part of that is the impulse by politicians to legitimatize them as journalists and default to norms where they should probably leave them alone. Let their copy writers spin the narrative they were going to spin anyway.

everything you just said makes me feel even more strongly that what I think is the case is the case, to be honest with you
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Balrog0 posted...

hollow_shrine posted...

It's definitely more than that. Many on the left are constantly wondering why our luminaries keep going on Fox in good faith and then get surprised to find the conversation isn't on the up and up. Few institutions have been as destructive to political discourse in America as Fox news and a big part of that is the impulse by politicians to legitimatize them as journalists and default to norms where they should probably leave them alone. Let their copy writers spin the narrative they were going to spin anyway.

everything you just said makes me feel even more strongly that what I think is the case is the case, to be honest with you

I think you'd have a stronger critical angle here attacking the cult of ideological purity as it manifests within the left and point to the clear success of the Sanders showing as evidence that there may be actual common ground that Dems can use to gain unlikely voters from Fox viewers. Implying that Warren in particular is purely playing for greater visibility kind of just handwaves Warren's reputation and approach to this race as the 'policy expert' candidate.

But Warren's been dealing with this from jump with people dismissing every headline she's made as a attention seeking political theatre. Your assessment is consistent with that. But then you have me wondering how many of us would bring the same skepticism to Sanders, or Booker, or current frontrunner Biden.
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She and Biden are the Democrats I will not vote for if either gets nominated. I will probably vote for any of the rest. But not those 2

Eeeeeh Bidens every fart is getting scrutiny on Twitter its getting exhausting.

And honestly I havent even heard anything organically about Booker other than when people summarize all candidates. Maybe its west coast bias

eston posted...

I agree with what she's saying, but at the same time I feel as though appearing on FoxNews is the only way to penetrate that large section of their viewership that only watches FoxNews. Those people will only hear negative things about Warren, and won't hear any of her actual words

those people are a lost cause, fuck em.
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Swagnificent119 posted...

Trump doesn't go on CNN, he's weak and scared.

Warren refuses to go on Fox News, she's strong and brave.

What a fucking country.

So which do you feel is true?
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Zikten posted...

She and Biden are the Democrats I will not vote for if either gets nominated. I will probably vote for any of the rest. But not those 2

Thats an odd ultimatum. Why so?

hollow_shrine posted...

Implying that Warren in particular is purely playing for greater visibility kind of just handwaves Warren's reputation and approach to this race as the 'policy expert' candidate.

this isn't a question of policy, so I'm unsure how I'm handwaving anything as far as how she's presented herself in this race

hollow_shrine posted...

But Warren's been dealing with this from jump with people dismissing every headline she's made as a attention seeking political theatre. Your assessment is consistent with that. But then you have me wondering how many of us would bring the same skepticism to Sanders, or Booker, or current frontrunner Biden.

Yeah, she is using her policy platform to get attention. There's nothing wrong with that, or with this, either. Saying this is about anything other than attention is just kind of weird, especially coming from movement leftists. Like, you guys already know how organizing and solidarity works, so it should be easy to see how this is a big nothing. It's like saying your personal decision not to shop at Walmart is meaningful, that's not how strikes or boycotts or anything works. It's not about an individual or individual organization, I know I am not telling you anything you don't know.

What have the other people done? Sanders and Biden don't need to grab for headlines, though yeah that is why Sanders cosponsored the credit card usury legislation he recently unveiled. He is mostly coasting on the good will he generated in 2016. Biden isn't running on anything except for name recognition and the good will he generated being Obama's VP. Cory Booker isn't doing anything, and when he tries, it's something that bites him in the ass like that crap he said about Sanders proposal to let inmates vote. But yes, he did say that for attention, too.
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CruelBuffalo posted...

Zikten posted...

She and Biden are the Democrats I will not vote for if either gets nominated. I will probably vote for any of the rest. But not those 2

Thats an odd ultimatum. Why so?

I hate them. Biden is a molester. Warren is racist and an idiot

w/r/t to the purity angle and the crossover voter, I would make that criticism, but I don't think it's a good one here. People overestimate how much policy matters to Sanders' popularity. His crossover appeal is due to not being a democrat and his willingness to criticize the 'elite' or the 'establishment.' Warren's appeal is totally different. While I do personally know people that like her despite their general political conservatism, I do not think she has the same path as Sanders in that way

which is another reason it makes sense to me that she's doing this for attention, actually. The alternative has no upside for her, but this does
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Zikten posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

Zikten posted...

She and Biden are the Democrats I will not vote for if either gets nominated. I will probably vote for any of the rest. But not those 2

Thats an odd ultimatum. Why so?

I hate them. Biden is a molester. Warren is racist and an idiot

How is Warren a racist tho?
Cory Booker isn't doing anything, and when he tries, it's something that bites him in the ass like that crap he said about Sanders proposal to let inmates vote. But yes, he did say that for attention, too.


Ooooh. This is some tea I need to look up

The whole pretending to be native American thing

Zikten posted...

The whole pretending to be native American thing

Idk if racist is the right term Id use, but to each their own

And @Balrog0 is this it?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/30/politics/cory-booker-bernie-sanders-felons-voting-rights/index.html

Im confused...CNN asked Sanders about restoring felon voting rights and it seems Booker response to Sanders is Playoffs!?!?!? He wants to talk about playoffs!?!?

I mean I believe Booker has walked the walk more on concrete actions for restoration but I think they both want to reduce mass incarcerations. What was peoples reaction?

among my social circles, it was seen as a silly statement that undercuts his long history of criminal justice reform work among activists in that area

I dont think it was some big thing in general though

but I mean this (warren not going on fox) isnt gonna be a big thing in general either ultimately lol
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Not to nitpick, but did she try to suggest Fox News is struggling?

Is it no longer the most successful/watched cable channel/news channel?

I mean, it just seems to ring hollow if they're still killing it in the ratings. Especially compared to their competitors like CNN and MSNBC.
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https://twitter.com/jordanuhl/status/1128366938894348291

Yup shes using this as a marketing ploy. Shes doing a good job of keeping her name in the news.