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nemu
04/15/19 5:39:03 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
But it wasn't intended to offend and I don't see anyone itt who is offended (apparently including you) ... So how did you come to decide that it is objectively offensive?

We really need to have a discussion about why blackface is inherently offensive due to its history?

Alright then tell me why swastikas are seen as symbols of hate instead of just another symbol? Assume someone didn't know the history and started putting them up, what would be the reaction from others? Would that reaction be proper?

It's not inherently a symbol of hate. Asia still largely uses the it and the manji without too much issue as far as I'm aware. It's really only a problem when someone from the west cries afoul like with the Pokemon card with the manji way back. Obviously that doesn't mean it's not going to be used as a pure hate symbol 99.9% of the time in the west.
Mr_Karate_II
04/15/19 5:39:12 PM
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The outfit alone would be enough for people to know who she is cosplaying as.
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TheDrivingForce
04/15/19 5:40:03 PM
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Vyrulisse posted...
Oh she only had 160 or so viewers? Twitch won't think twice about banning if your numbers are that low. If she wanted to be safe she needs Alinity numbers or at least do a few lingerie squats for Twitch admins to fap over so she could be protected

lol, this.
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Freddie_Mercury
04/15/19 5:44:32 PM
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nemu posted...
If the blackface phenomenon in America never happened, there would be no particular stigma against it.



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nemu
04/15/19 5:50:57 PM
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Freddie_Mercury posted...
nemu posted...
If the blackface phenomenon in America never happened, there would be no particular stigma against it.



The point is circular logic like "painting your face black is literally always 100% offensive because it's offensive" makes no sense when you're basing that logic off of a regional thing from one country.
Makeveli_lives
04/15/19 6:02:46 PM
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Lol this topic is going nowhere.
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 6:04:00 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
Lol this topic is going nowhere.


You: I'm not offended, no one else seems offended, and it clearly wasn't meant to offend anyone.

Also you: this is inherently offensive.

What did you expect?
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Makeveli_lives
04/15/19 6:05:26 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
Lol this topic is going nowhere.


You: I'm offended no one else seems offended and it clearly wasn't meant to offend anyone.

Also you: this is inherently offensive.

What did you expect?

I never said I was offended by the streamer, I said the act of black face was offensive because she felt she couldn't channel the character without painting her skin.
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 6:07:02 PM
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Typo. I edited it.
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joe40001
04/15/19 6:08:03 PM
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I am so sick of this. This is not blackface. Blackface has a delibrate racist element. This is just skin tone changing makeup and thinking it's offensive is more offensive that the makeup is.
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joe40001
04/15/19 6:09:54 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
Lol this topic is going nowhere.


You: I'm offended no one else seems offended and it clearly wasn't meant to offend anyone.

Also you: this is inherently offensive.

What did you expect?

I never said I was offended by the streamer, I said the act of black face was offensive because she felt she couldn't channel the character without painting her skin.


It is no more offensive that changing her clothes or hair. Cosplaying tries to look like the person. It is racially inclusive, the opposite of racist.
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 6:11:39 PM
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joe40001 posted...
I am so sick of this. This is not blackface. Blackface has a delibrate racist element. This is just skin tone changing makeup and thinking it's offensive is more offensive that the makeup is.


Exactly.

The idea that this is anymore offensive than if she'd been green or pink is just silly. It was pulled off well and obviously was not done maliciously. I see nothing wrong with it.
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DezDroppedFreak
04/15/19 6:13:59 PM
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Idk regardless if its not meant to offend I think its dumb as fuck to paint your skin up like another ethnicity
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 6:16:38 PM
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DezDroppedFreak posted...
Idk regardless if its not meant to offend I think its dumb as fuck to paint your skin up like another ethnicity


Is it equally dumb to go green like picollo?

If not why?

Because to me the idea that one is automatically worse because of the actions of racists in the past is as nonsensical as banning the ok sign or clowns tbh.
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nemu
04/15/19 6:18:42 PM
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DezDroppedFreak posted...
Idk regardless if its not meant to offend I think its dumb as fuck to paint your skin up like another ethnicity

Why? What is inherently wrong with making yourself look like another race if you're not intentionally or unintentionally mocking characteristics of that race? I feel like this whole argument stems from some kind of collective guilt over blackface or something.

This is like how some people will say a caricature of an accent is racist if that accent belongs to someone of another race.
Machete
04/15/19 6:21:07 PM
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Is it actual blackface or is it fake black face like people were trying to shit on Jimmy Kimmel for?
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DezDroppedFreak
04/15/19 6:31:07 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
DezDroppedFreak posted...
Idk regardless if its not meant to offend I think its dumb as fuck to paint your skin up like another ethnicity


Is it equally dumb to go green like picollo?

If not why?

Because to me the idea that one is automatically worse because of the actions of racists in the past is as nonsensical as banning the ok sign or clowns tbh.


youre comparing fantasy-ass shit to real people
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 6:33:18 PM
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You're missing the point.

If it is not intentionally offensive, nor unintentionally offensive, why is it inherently wrong? (asked that question like 4 times now btw).

Is it wrong because of racists past? And why would people in many countries even be expected to know about blackface in that context?
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Unsugarized_Foo
04/15/19 6:34:26 PM
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Machete posted...
Is it actual blackface or is it fake black face like people were trying to shit on Jimmy Kimmel for?


Jimmy's was worse cause he's not a chick
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Sayoria
04/15/19 8:39:18 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
You're missing the point.

If it is not intentionally offensive, nor unintentionally offensive, why is it inherently wrong? (asked that question like 4 times now btw).

Is it wrong because of racists past? And why would people in many countries even be expected to know about blackface in that context?


It's so stupid. The people who dress like that are clearly respectful. One of my favorite Japanese comedians got shit on by American media outlets because he dressed as Eddie Murphy from Time Cop. His face wasn't pitch black. They matched his pigment and hair to the character as a homage for the show. Same with, as said, Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon.

I will say though that was Sarah Silverman wore was indeed, Blackface. Again the Mammy thing, that was blackface. People have a right to be up in arms about the old Looney Tunes cartoons that stereotyped black people with the "black Elmer Fudd" and that Coal Black cartoon. Those are black face and insults to the culture and identity.

There's a great difference between making fun of a culture and paying respect to a character. This is the key too. Many of these non-blackface people are dressing up as SPECIFIC characters. This girl was an Apex character. Kimmel was a basketball player. My comedian was Eddie Murphy. They drew no focus on stereotypical black features in these costumes. They did their absolute best to portray these characters with respect to their character. If I was Murphy or that Basketball Player or even that video game character (if they could speak), I'd actually be honored they'd go that far to stay true to everything I am. If they used a sharpie for their skin coloration though, then I'd be upset.

It's so out of hand really. There IS a massive difference here.
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ViewtifulGrave
04/15/19 10:06:25 PM
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Makeveli_lives posted...
Alright then tell me why swastikas are seen as symbols of hate instead of just another symbol? Assume someone didn't know the history and started putting them up, what would be the reaction from others? Would that reaction be proper?

Bad example because the swastika is a stolen symbol originally known as a manji.

In Japanese Buddhism, the Manji is an ancient and important spiritual symbol. The Manji (Sanscrit: Svastika) represents the harmonious interplay of the many opposites in life heaven and earth, day and night, etc
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ModLogic
04/15/19 11:51:52 PM
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ViewtifulGrave posted...
Makeveli_lives posted...
Alright then tell me why swastikas are seen as symbols of hate instead of just another symbol? Assume someone didn't know the history and started putting them up, what would be the reaction from others? Would that reaction be proper?

Bad example because the swastika is a stolen symbol originally known as a manji.

In Japanese Buddhism, the Manji is an ancient and important spiritual symbol. The Manji (Sanscrit: Svastika) represents the harmonious interplay of the many opposites in life heaven and earth, day and night, etc

this very website blindly discriminates against the symbol
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CanuckCowboy
04/16/19 12:00:51 AM
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@Sayoria posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
You're missing the point.

If it is not intentionally offensive, nor unintentionally offensive, why is it inherently wrong? (asked that question like 4 times now btw).

Is it wrong because of racists past? And why would people in many countries even be expected to know about blackface in that context?


It's so stupid. The people who dress like that are clearly respectful. One of my favorite Japanese comedians got shit on by American media outlets because he dressed as Eddie Murphy from Time Cop. His face wasn't pitch black. They matched his pigment and hair to the character as a homage for the show. Same with, as said, Jimmy Kimmel and Jimmy Fallon.

I will say though that was Sarah Silverman wore was indeed, Blackface. Again the Mammy thing, that was blackface. People have a right to be up in arms about the old Looney Tunes cartoons that stereotyped black people with the "black Elmer Fudd" and that Coal Black cartoon. Those are black face and insults to the culture and identity.

There's a great difference between making fun of a culture and paying respect to a character. This is the key too. Many of these non-blackface people are dressing up as SPECIFIC characters. This girl was an Apex character. Kimmel was a basketball player. My comedian was Eddie Murphy. They drew no focus on stereotypical black features in these costumes. They did their absolute best to portray these characters with respect to their character. If I was Murphy or that Basketball Player or even that video game character (if they could speak), I'd actually be honored they'd go that far to stay true to everything I am. If they used a sharpie for their skin coloration though, then I'd be upset.

It's so out of hand really. There IS a massive difference here.


So well said.

Don't have anything to add but I agree entirely
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user78
04/16/19 5:00:47 AM
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Foppe posted...
Be careful, seems like somebody marks posts that doesnt agree that it is offensive.

No, they only mark posts where you say it.
TwoDoorPunkCab
04/16/19 6:10:30 AM
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i don't doubt that if she didn't change her skin tone she'd be accused of white washing the character
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