Poll of the Day > BREAKING NEWS Notre Dame cathedral in Paris is engulfed in flames

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Zikten
04/15/19 1:35:37 PM
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RedPixel
04/15/19 1:38:26 PM
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Hope everyone's okay... yikes.
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Mead
04/15/19 1:38:35 PM
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According to CNNs video something went wrong during native playback

Hopefully the firemen there can handle that
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Golden Road
04/15/19 1:40:02 PM
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I'm actually watching my local news right now. Apparently telling us that the Mueller report would be released on Thursday counts as breaking news, but they have yet to say anything about actual breaking news =/
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Golden Road
04/15/19 1:45:48 PM
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OK, the local news finally reported on this. Took them a while.
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Zikten
04/15/19 1:45:50 PM
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on CNN they just show from far off but it looks like probably the entire inside of the bulding is just an inferno. I dont'; think they are gonna save it. which sucks. it's a historic relic. I hate when ancient things are destroyed. this hurts my heart. but at least I got to visit it once like 12 years ago
Mead
04/15/19 1:51:16 PM
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Thankfully trump suggested that they use flying water tankers
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Zikten
04/15/19 1:52:48 PM
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even if they magically got suddenly stop the fire now, I think it's too late. it looks like all the damage is done. I can't imagine that even if the fire just "turned off" right this second, that much would be left but a charred shell. it's fucking dead
Jen0125
04/15/19 1:53:34 PM
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This makes me so so sad
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papercup
04/15/19 1:54:54 PM
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Oh man. =/ I really wanted to see it one day.
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Zikten
04/15/19 1:56:52 PM
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papercup posted...
Oh man. =/ I really wanted to see it one day.

it was pretty impressive. the main room of the cathedral I think was the largest room I've ever been in. it's said they designed it like that to make people feel like they were looking up into the heavens.
wolfy42
04/15/19 2:03:14 PM
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and it wasn't my fault (dresden reference).
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Zikten
04/15/19 2:04:09 PM
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someone on CE said that the artifacts and relics and stuff might be safe in storage somewhere. so maybe the building is lost but maybe not everything was destroyed
wolfy42
04/15/19 2:05:36 PM
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I bet it was the hunchbacks fault.
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Ogurisama
04/15/19 2:08:40 PM
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redline65
04/15/19 2:12:54 PM
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Those poor firefighters, looks like they're trying to put it out with a garden hose. This is a really bad fire, I hope nobody gets hurt.
St_Kevin
04/15/19 2:32:55 PM
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oh no wow :o
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Far-Queue
04/15/19 2:34:18 PM
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I got to visit about 6 years ago or so. This is so sad :( beautiful place
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LeetCheet
04/15/19 2:41:10 PM
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Zeus
04/15/19 4:06:44 PM
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Supposedly the doors started to close on visitors:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/world/europe/notre-dame-fire.html

As the last rush of tourists were trying to get in for the day, the doors of Notre-Dame were abruptly shut without explanation, witnesses said. Within moments, tiny bits of white smoke started rising from the spire which, at 295 feet, was the highest part of the cathedral.


Kinda weird thing if it was truly accidental.
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Zikten
04/15/19 4:07:23 PM
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bizarre
adjl
04/15/19 4:16:00 PM
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As tragic as this is, realistically, Notre Dame is probably one of the best-studied pieces of architecture in the world. A replica obviously won't be the same as the real thing, but there's really nothing stopping them from rebuilding it.
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Sand_Flare
04/15/19 4:53:57 PM
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And from the ashes there shall arise a Chick-fil-A restaurant, the likes of which has never been seen before.
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aDirtyShisno
04/15/19 5:10:19 PM
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Zeus posted...
Supposedly the doors started to close on visitors:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/world/europe/notre-dame-fire.html

As the last rush of tourists were trying to get in for the day, the doors of Notre-Dame were abruptly shut without explanation, witnesses said. Within moments, tiny bits of white smoke started rising from the spire which, at 295 feet, was the highest part of the cathedral.


Kinda weird thing if it was truly accidental.

Not weird if they were retrofitted to be fire doors. Even historic structures get many modern safety features installed.
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Kyuubi4269
04/15/19 5:11:03 PM
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Zeus posted...
Supposedly the doors started to close on visitors:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/world/europe/notre-dame-fire.html

As the last rush of tourists were trying to get in for the day, the doors of Notre-Dame were abruptly shut without explanation, witnesses said. Within moments, tiny bits of white smoke started rising from the spire which, at 295 feet, was the highest part of the cathedral.


Kinda weird thing if it was truly accidental.

It's weird that they'd stop visitors getting caught in a fire?
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Zikten
04/15/19 5:12:12 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
It's weird that they'd stop visitors getting caught in a fire?

I think he's saying the doors started to close while people were still inside. I haven o idea if there are side doors or not.

apparently everyone got out somehow
Kyuubi4269
04/15/19 5:16:26 PM
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Zikten posted...
I think he's saying the doors started to close while people were still inside.

Zeus posted...
As the last rush of tourists were trying to get in for the day, the doors of Notre-Dame were abruptly shut.

They were shut out.
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MrMelodramatic
04/15/19 6:05:38 PM
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Main structure and towers are saved.

https://twitter.com/npr/status/1117907283382607877?s=21
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Ogurisama
04/15/19 6:08:07 PM
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dainkinkaide
04/15/19 6:46:25 PM
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The 16 statues that were in the spire (which collapsed) are fine, because they were taken out while the spire was under renovations (like 4 days ago).

So all that has been lost so far was the roof (most of which only dated back to the 19th century), the spire (which was being renovated anyway), and a single stained glass window.
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Nade Duck
04/15/19 6:48:05 PM
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yay, a sort of happy ending.
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Ogurisama
04/15/19 6:50:21 PM
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Nade Duck posted...
yay, a sort of happy ending.

Sad thing is, it will be hard to reproduce the colors on the stained glass
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redline65
04/15/19 7:12:00 PM
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Isnt it still burning though?
Lokarin
04/15/19 7:17:55 PM
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I couldn't get to the CNN article, I never actually been to the CNN website before but when I clicked the link in the OP it crashed ma firefox twice
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DirtBasedSoap
04/15/19 7:32:59 PM
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it makes me lol so hard that trump suggested dropping a shit ton of water on the roof from planes ... like dude that would make it so much worse and for sure ruin the art inside. lmao the dude is soooo fucking stupid
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adjl
04/15/19 7:53:45 PM
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DirtBasedSoap posted...
it makes me lol so hard that trump suggested dropping a shit ton of water on the roof from planes ... like dude that would make it so much worse and for sure ruin the art inside. lmao the dude is soooo fucking stupid


To say nothing of the sheer inanity of his apparent belief that the Parisian firefighters on the job were reading his twitter feed for advice instead of fighting the fire.
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Zeus
04/15/19 8:21:19 PM
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Kyuubi4269 posted...
Zeus posted...
Supposedly the doors started to close on visitors:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/15/world/europe/notre-dame-fire.html

As the last rush of tourists were trying to get in for the day, the doors of Notre-Dame were abruptly shut without explanation, witnesses said. Within moments, tiny bits of white smoke started rising from the spire which, at 295 feet, was the highest part of the cathedral.


Kinda weird thing if it was truly accidental.

It's weird that they'd stop visitors getting caught in a fire?


It's weird that they'd shut the doors before a fire started in another part of the building.

DirtBasedSoap posted...
it makes me lol so hard that trump suggested dropping a shit ton of water on the roof from planes ... like dude that would make it so much worse and for sure ruin the art inside. lmao the dude is soooo fucking stupid


Nothing wrong with... making it raaaaaaaaiiiiinnnnnn!!!
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WastelandCowboy
04/15/19 8:42:46 PM
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Zeus posted...
It's weird that they'd shut the doors before a fire started in another part of the building.

Somebody sees a fire starting in another part of the building, alerts the authorities, and the doors are closed per a likely-enforced protocol for fire. Not exactly weird, but just procedure.
Zeus
04/15/19 9:13:09 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
It's weird that they'd shut the doors before a fire started in another part of the building.

Somebody sees a fire starting in another part of the building, alerts the authorities, and the doors are closed per a likely-enforced protocol for fire. Not exactly weird, but just procedure.


That's still cause and effect. This has them do something before a problem happened.
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Mead
04/15/19 9:28:47 PM
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Sad that so much history burned away today

I also hope that god got out in time
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Miroku_of_Nite1
04/15/19 9:42:14 PM
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At least it wasn't a total lost. Like that museum in Brazil.
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_AdjI_
04/15/19 9:51:13 PM
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Zeus posted...
This has them do something before a problem happened.


Except that the fire likely started well before smoke was visible from the outside, especially given how far away the spire from the spire any onlookers would have been.

Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
At least it wasn't a total lost. Like that museum in Brazil.


That one was so horrible.
Zeus
04/15/19 9:55:38 PM
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Miroku_of_Nite1 posted...
At least it wasn't a total lost. Like that museum in Brazil.


Good gracious, that was a fucking trainwreck.

_AdjI_ posted...
Except that the fire likely started well before smoke was visible from the outside, especially given how far away the spire from the spire any onlookers would have been.


We're talking about i breaking out on a far, far upper level. The people near the door shouldn't have noticed any sooner than anybody outside.
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ParanoidObsessive
04/15/19 10:49:30 PM
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Mead posted...
Sad that so much history burned away today

It's kind of funny when you realize that the idea of preserving history is a very modern concept. Go back a few hundred years and most people didn't give much of a shit. In some parts of the world even today, people still don't.

For years people in Italy literally disassembled ancient Roman ruins and built their houses with the stones because it was easier to take the stone blocks from the ruins rather than quarry new stone. Old treasures get melted down or pried apart. Rulers deface historical inscriptions for ideological reasons. Shepherds find stashed away collections of ancient scrolls in a cave and use them for kindling.

It's sort of eerie when you think about just how much history has been destroyed forever because of one person or another's callous disregard for relics. And in the same vein, it's pretty amazing just how much historical evidence and artifacts we HAVE been able to preserve (and how much lost history we've been able to reconstruct) in just a few centuries worth of trying to maintain it.


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Zeus
04/15/19 11:01:04 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Mead posted...
Sad that so much history burned away today

It's kind of funny when you realize that the idea of preserving history is a very modern concept. Go back a few hundred years and most people didn't give much of a shit. In some parts of the world even today, people still don't.

For years people in Italy literally disassembled ancient Roman ruins and built their houses with the stones because it was easier to take the stone blocks from the ruins rather than quarry new stone. Old treasures get melted down or pried apart. Rulers deface historical inscriptions for ideological reasons. Shepherds find stashed away collections of ancient scrolls in a cave and use them for kindling.

It's sort of eerie when you think about just how much history has been destroyed forever because of one person or another's callous disregard for relics. And in the same vein, it's pretty amazing just how much historical evidence and artifacts we HAVE been able to preserve (and how much lost history we've been able to reconstruct) in just a few centuries worth of trying to maintain it.


I imagine that education and a sense of history has probably done the most to change that kind of a mindset since it conveys an implicit value to historical objects and sites. Otherwise, even a lack of preservation was enough to ruin countless other relics.

Granted, I imagine at least part of our reverence for historical objects comes from their perceived scarcity as well, which largely resulted from the destruction of other objects.
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_AdjI_
04/15/19 11:04:32 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
In some parts of the world even today, people still don't.


I'd argue most parts of the world. Just look at any development project in any city with any sort of history behind it: Unless required by law or provided with some kind of financial incentive, developers generally won't do any sort of archaeological survey of the site they're developing. During the initial excavation of such a site, if you can get a view of the work, you can watch workers literally throwing artifacts into dumpsters because they're being paid to not care. It's not on the same level as casual tomb robbery, of course, but it's far, far more common than anyone with an appreciation for preserving history is okay with.

Of course, it's not that that most "you can't destroy history" people are complaining about, it's the removal of statues of people who have been well-documented in dozens of other places. Almost like they don't actually care that much about history and are just trying to stick it to people who think racists are bad, but that's a discussion for another time.
Mead
04/15/19 11:14:34 PM
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Its hard for me to even imagine not valuing history
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Zeus
04/15/19 11:46:11 PM
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_AdjI_ posted...
ParanoidObsessive posted...
In some parts of the world even today, people still don't.


I'd argue most parts of the world. Just look at any development project in any city with any sort of history behind it: Unless required by law or provided with some kind of financial incentive, developers generally won't do any sort of archaeological survey of the site they're developing. During the initial excavation of such a site, if you can get a view of the work, you can watch workers literally throwing artifacts into dumpsters because they're being paid to not care. It's not on the same level as casual tomb robbery, of course, but it's far, far more common than anyone with an appreciation for preserving history is okay with.

Of course, it's not that that most "you can't destroy history" people are complaining about, it's the removal of statues of people who have been well-documented in dozens of other places. Almost like they don't actually care that much about history and are just trying to stick it to people who think racists are bad, but that's a discussion for another time.


A public statue has far more historic sentiment to it than decades-old newspapers from a hoarders' apartment. It's almost like you pretend otherwise because you don't care about good-faith arguments and are just trying to push your bullshit agenda in the most aggravating way imaginable, but that's a discussion for another topic.
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Lokarin
04/16/19 12:03:46 AM
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For anyone interested, which should be almost noone, there's a huge amount of SJW cringe on Twitter right now praising the fires...
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Yellow
04/16/19 12:06:43 AM
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Oh well. They'll rebuild it.
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