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GrapeDrink
04/15/19 5:05:00 PM
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The timing on this is odd. Notre Dame usually doesn't collapse until the College Football Playoffs.
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MrK3V
04/15/19 5:05:10 PM
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At least Fyre Festival finally happened
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GrapeDrink
04/15/19 5:05:29 PM
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EternalDivide posted...
It's horrible. Not just as a catholic but just for the wider history of it.
At the very least I hope they got the relics out.
100% genuine or debated it held what the church believes to be the True Crown of Thorns and a part of the True Cross.


Saw a few news reports saying the relics and artwork have been saved.
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Zikten
04/15/19 5:05:44 PM
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to be fair at least on the True Cross thing...so many churches around the world claim to have pieces of it, so many that some of them have to be fake. cause there is more wood involved in these claims, than would be in a single cross. so who knows....
WizardofHoth
04/15/19 5:05:56 PM
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They can rebuild or make a new Notre Dame cathedral.

Not that hard to do anyway
MrK3V
04/15/19 5:06:26 PM
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GrapeDrink posted...
The timing on this is odd. Notre Dame usually doesn't collapse until the College Football Playoffs.


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GS4Life
04/15/19 5:07:06 PM
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Is it confirmed if Quasimodo is okay?
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treewojima
04/15/19 5:10:04 PM
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GrapeDrink posted...
The timing on this is odd. Notre Dame usually doesn't collapse until the College Football Playoffs.


okay, I laughed
spikethedevil
04/15/19 5:15:01 PM
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WizardofHoth posted...
They can rebuild or make a new Notre Dame cathedral.

Not that hard to do anyway


I really hope youre trolling and arent really this wilfully ignorant.
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Leanaunfurled
04/15/19 5:16:12 PM
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You know, can someone answer if they can rebuild? I'm not assuming they can or can't, but I'm completely ignorant when it comes to architecture and construction.
Taharqa_
04/15/19 5:16:42 PM
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spikethedevil posted...
WizardofHoth posted...
They can rebuild or make a new Notre Dame cathedral.

Not that hard to do anyway


I really hope youre trolling and arent really this wilfully ignorant.


It's Hoth, nuff said
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Zikten
04/15/19 5:18:04 PM
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Leanaunfurled posted...
You know, can someone answer if they can rebuild? I'm not assuming they can or can't, but I'm completely ignorant when it comes to architecture and construction.

if the stone shell stays standing, they can try to rebuild some of it. but it will never be like it was
spikethedevil
04/15/19 5:19:14 PM
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Taharqa_ posted...
spikethedevil posted...
WizardofHoth posted...
They can rebuild or make a new Notre Dame cathedral.

Not that hard to do anyway


I really hope youre trolling and arent really this wilfully ignorant.


It's Hoth, nuff said


Ah fair enough.
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El Marsh
04/15/19 5:20:41 PM
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EternalDivide posted...
It's horrible. Not just as a catholic but just for the wider history of it.
At the very least I hope they got the relics out.
100% genuine or debated it held what the church believes to be the True Crown of Thorns and a part of the True Cross.

Yeah, it's always a tremendous loss whenever a centuries' old cultural landmark meets its end. I ertainly don't want to compare the gravity of each loss but I felt the same about the devastating fire in the National Museum of Brazil last year, the destruction of the Bamyan Buddhas by the Taliban almost 20 years ago, and the horrific and systematic destruction of cultural artifacts by Al Qaeda throughout the Muslim world over the same time period (though as far as horrors perpetrated by that network go, it's rather low on the list).

Although the items lost are ultimately just "things," they can't be replaced and the direct connection to countless generations past can't be replicated.
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Zikten
04/15/19 5:22:13 PM
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CNN just showed crowds singing emotional hymns of prayer outside the building. it sounded really sad
CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 5:23:27 PM
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Zikten posted...
CNN just showed crowds singing emotional hymns of prayer outside the building. it sounded really sad


That was incredibly moving.

Sad for sure but also a certain strength that was really powerful too.
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TreyFlowers
04/15/19 5:28:07 PM
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They can rebuild. But the reason why old buildings are so grand and epic is because trade labour was so cheap back in the day. It was a peasants job so people could pay for intricate, labour intensive design.

Nowadays because trade labour is a lot more expensive and a skilled trade, to build something like those buildings would be astronomical in value.

That said, it's Notre Dame so I would expect Paris and France would spare no expense to rebuild it.
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 5:30:57 PM
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TreyFlowers posted...
They can rebuild. But the reason why old buildings are so grand and epic is because trade labour was so cheap back in the day. It was a peasants job so people could pay for intricate, labour intensive design.

Nowadays because trade labour is a lot more expensive and a skilled trade, to build something like those buildings would be astronomical in value.

That said, it's Notre Dame so I would expect Paris and France would spare no expense to rebuild it.


Yeah.

They can make it look the same but they can't build it the same if that makes sense. Modern codes and safety laws and many other factors basically mean it can't ever be replicated truly.... Just given a similar end appearance.

And the money and materials and time necessary to build it as it was would be astronomical.

And even if you fully commuted to the incredible difficulties inherent in trying to build with all the same methods and materials it's still not the same building obviously.
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ROBANN_88
04/15/19 5:33:47 PM
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Leanaunfurled posted...
You know, can someone answer if they can rebuild? I'm not assuming they can or can't, but I'm completely ignorant when it comes to architecture and construction.


if there is every any point in history where a tragedy like this could just be reversed, it would be now.

we have the records, and we have the technology to build it up again.
hell, someone could probably 3d print it from the ground uo if they wanted to.

the real question is whether or not they'll have to tear down the rest of whatever is left stabding before they can build
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UnholyMudcrab
04/15/19 5:36:16 PM
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Reuters is reporting that the structure has been saved. They'll have to totally rebuild the interior and the roof, but it looks like they will be able to rebuild.
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Kittenman0_0
04/15/19 5:38:26 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Reuters is reporting that the structure has been saved. They'll have to totally rebuild the interior and the roof, but it looks like they will be able to rebuild.

We have technology
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DarthWendy
04/15/19 5:38:33 PM
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Leanaunfurled posted...
You know, can someone answer if they can rebuild? I'm not assuming they can or can't, but I'm completely ignorant when it comes to architecture and construction.

Yes it will be rebuilt, first of all because it would seem the stone structure has been saved and is intact. The wooden structure, roof and spire will have to be rebuilt, regardless of the cost. We're all pretty much determined to contribute financially if needed, the idea of a national jackpot is already circulating.

Edit : Macron just states as we speak that this symbol of our country will be rebuilt, no matter the cost and duration.
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TreyFlowers
04/15/19 5:38:55 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
TreyFlowers posted...
They can rebuild. But the reason why old buildings are so grand and epic is because trade labour was so cheap back in the day. It was a peasants job so people could pay for intricate, labour intensive design.

Nowadays because trade labour is a lot more expensive and a skilled trade, to build something like those buildings would be astronomical in value.

That said, it's Notre Dame so I would expect Paris and France would spare no expense to rebuild it.


Yeah.

They can make it look the same but they can't build it the same if that makes sense. Modern codes and safety laws and many other factors basically mean it can't ever be replicated truly.... Just given a similar end appearance.

And the money and materials and time necessary to build it as it was would be astronomical.

And even if you fully commuted to the incredible difficulties inherent in trying to build with all the same methods and materials it's still not the same building obviously.


Didn't even consider current building codes and standards. And I heard on the news that there were something like 13,000 oak trees used in construction of the roof.

It can be similar but will never be the same.
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Kafkaf
04/15/19 5:39:48 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Modern codes and safety laws and many other factors basically mean it can't ever be replicated truly

Doesnt that make it a ticking time bomb
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 5:40:36 PM
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Kafkaf posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
Modern codes and safety laws and many other factors basically mean it can't ever be replicated truly

Doesnt that make it a ticking time bomb


I mean the safety of workers doing the building.

I'm sure the building itself was more than safe.
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MegaTech
04/15/19 5:40:54 PM
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GrapeDrink posted...
The timing on this is odd. Notre Dame usually doesn't collapse until the College Football Playoffs.

@MacadamianNut3
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DarthWendy
04/15/19 5:41:19 PM
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Something you guys don't know, all distances in France and all the km markers on all roads in France are counted from Notre Dame de Paris, where it is considered to be km 0.
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 5:42:18 PM
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TreyFlowers posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
TreyFlowers posted...
They can rebuild. But the reason why old buildings are so grand and epic is because trade labour was so cheap back in the day. It was a peasants job so people could pay for intricate, labour intensive design.

Nowadays because trade labour is a lot more expensive and a skilled trade, to build something like those buildings would be astronomical in value.

That said, it's Notre Dame so I would expect Paris and France would spare no expense to rebuild it.


Yeah.

They can make it look the same but they can't build it the same if that makes sense. Modern codes and safety laws and many other factors basically mean it can't ever be replicated truly.... Just given a similar end appearance.

And the money and materials and time necessary to build it as it was would be astronomical.

And even if you fully commuted to the incredible difficulties inherent in trying to build with all the same methods and materials it's still not the same building obviously.


Didn't even consider current building codes and standards. And I heard on the news that there were something like 13,000 oak trees used in construction of the roof.

It can be similar but will never be the same.


Exactly.

A lot of people seem to think that we can currently easily recreate anything we've done in the past just because technology has advanced so much but that's really not the case.
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MacadamianNut3
04/15/19 5:46:12 PM
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MegaTech posted...
GrapeDrink posted...
The timing on this is odd. Notre Dame usually doesn't collapse until the College Football Playoffs.

@MacadamianNut3

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Crystal_pony
04/15/19 5:48:07 PM
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Is it bad that I started singing hellfire from Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame?
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PrideOfLion
04/15/19 5:49:21 PM
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DarthWendy posted...
Edit : Macron just states as we speak that this symbol of our country will be rebuilt, no matter the cost and duration.

That's pretty good
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Questionmarktarius
04/15/19 5:52:22 PM
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Seems like the building wasn't in the best of shape anyway.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/28/world/europe/paris-notre-dame-renovation.html
s0nicfan
04/15/19 5:54:26 PM
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In case it hasn't been posted here yet, it looks so much worse from above:
Y2Y6Cde
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 5:56:25 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
In case it hasn't been posted here yet, it looks so much worse from above:
Y2Y6Cde


Omg.

That really does look worse than any other angle I've seen today. Sounds like the stonework is still sound though so that goes a long way to rebuilding efforts.
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WizardofHoth
04/15/19 5:59:55 PM
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600 year old buildings....

its a sign telling you that its time to keep up with today's architecture.

600 year old buildings etc might as well let them all burn to the ground and rebuild anyway
obeseexplosive
04/15/19 6:00:54 PM
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Crystal_pony posted...
Is it bad that I started singing hellfire from Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame?

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s0nicfan
04/15/19 6:01:54 PM
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WizardofHoth posted...
600 year old buildings....

its a sign telling you that its time to keep up with today's architecture.

600 year old buildings etc might as well let them all burn to the ground and rebuild anyway


The only reason its still standing is because of 600 year old architecture. Modern architecture is cheap and easily destroyed.
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Zikten
04/15/19 6:03:39 PM
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WizardofHoth posted...
600 year old buildings....

its a sign telling you that its time to keep up with today's architecture.

600 year old buildings etc might as well let them all burn to the ground and rebuild anyway

it's actually 800 years old
WizardofHoth
04/15/19 6:03:42 PM
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it burned to the ground because its old as heck.

also why the hell you care about 600+ year old stuff anyway? Youre not from France or whatever anyway.
Questionmarktarius
04/15/19 6:04:32 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
The only reason its still standing is because of 600 year old architecture. Modern architecture is cheap and easily destroyed.

Just look at that aerial view a few posts up.
The wood may burn away, but the stone remains.
Zikten
04/15/19 6:05:16 PM
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WizardofHoth posted...
it burned to the ground because its old as heck.

also why the hell you care about 600+ year old stuff anyway? Youre not from France or whatever anyway.


I was raised catholic and even though I no longer believe in it, it's still sad to see this go. also from just a fan of history standpoint. but yea, this cathedral was very important to Catholics. I think it might have been the most sacred building in Europe outside of the Vatican City
UnholyMudcrab
04/15/19 6:05:30 PM
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 6:06:18 PM
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Can people just not engage hoth?

Better yet can they go back in time and start doing that a few years ago?
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Vertania
04/15/19 6:06:58 PM
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Zikten posted...
it's actually 800 years old

It was started ~850 years ago but wasn't finished until ~650 years ago.
Banana_Cyanide
04/15/19 6:08:14 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Exactly.

A lot of people seem to think that we can currently easily recreate anything we've done in the past just because technology has advanced so much but that's really not the case.

The Taj Mahal is a prime example of this because after it was finished Shah Jahan had all the plans/schematics/blueprints destroyed and had the architects either executed or mutilated (finger tips cut off or tongue cut out) so that the mausoleum can never be recreated.
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obeseexplosive
04/15/19 6:08:58 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
Please stop feeding Hoth

CanuckCowboy posted...
Can people just not engage hoth?

Better yet can they go back in time and start doing that a few years ago?

He going to shitposting alot more now.

Be awhile before he can ring the bell again
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ThyCorndog
04/15/19 6:09:37 PM
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obeseexplosive posted...
Be awhile before he can ring the bell again

just like the notre dame
sorry
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Correct_Facts
04/15/19 6:10:45 PM
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Banana_Cyanide posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
Exactly.

A lot of people seem to think that we can currently easily recreate anything we've done in the past just because technology has advanced so much but that's really not the case.

The Taj Mahal is a prime example of this because after it was finished Shah Jahan had all the plans/schematics/blueprints destroyed and had the architects either executed or mutilated (finger tips cut off or tongue cut out) so that the mausoleum can never be recreated.

Except that is a legend and no proof of that exists. Do you really think modern engineers and architects would not be able to recreate something like that or Notre Dame? LOL
CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 6:13:05 PM
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Correct_Facts posted...
Banana_Cyanide posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
Exactly.

A lot of people seem to think that we can currently easily recreate anything we've done in the past just because technology has advanced so much but that's really not the case.

The Taj Mahal is a prime example of this because after it was finished Shah Jahan had all the plans/schematics/blueprints destroyed and had the architects either executed or mutilated (finger tips cut off or tongue cut out) so that the mausoleum can never be recreated.

Except that is a legend and no proof of that exists. Do you really think modern engineers and architects would not be able to recreate something like that or Notre Dame? LOL


Spoken like someone with no experience whatsoever ins new construction or renos.

Its not as simple as you think. At all.
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Correct_Facts
04/15/19 6:17:09 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
Correct_Facts posted...
Banana_Cyanide posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
Exactly.

A lot of people seem to think that we can currently easily recreate anything we've done in the past just because technology has advanced so much but that's really not the case.

The Taj Mahal is a prime example of this because after it was finished Shah Jahan had all the plans/schematics/blueprints destroyed and had the architects either executed or mutilated (finger tips cut off or tongue cut out) so that the mausoleum can never be recreated.

Except that is a legend and no proof of that exists. Do you really think modern engineers and architects would not be able to recreate something like that or Notre Dame? LOL


Spoken like someone with no experience whatsoever ins new construction or renos.

Its not as simple as you think. At all.

Nobody said it would be simple but you'd have to be a fucking fool to think that architects from a millennia ago are somehow smarter or more resourceful than architects now, considering today's architects have had the luxury of being able to study the architecture of a millennia ago.
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