Current Events > Study: UBI does not make people less likely to work

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Garioshi
04/13/19 8:04:26 PM
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legendarylemur
04/13/19 8:06:15 PM
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Yeah well... probably because it's rarely gonna be enough to live off of, and the cost of everything else is likely to rise especially if min wage isn't gonna change along with UBI
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RedWhiteBlue
04/13/19 8:07:32 PM
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Didn't read article, but didn't canada have a program going but it got slashed and ended because of a right winged party? Wasn't it going well until then?

But yeah I want a UBI in the U.S., and I finally saw some of Andrew Yang's stuff and that Ben Shapiro podcast interview. My only complaint, under Yang, is allowing people to fuck themselves over and saying "oh well" if they spend wrong, which many people will do beyond obvious necessities, typically by falling prey to greedy, manipulative corporations.
s0nicfan
04/13/19 8:09:50 PM
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After the government chose 2,000 unemployed citizens


without making them any less likely to join the workforce.


Although this wasnt everything the Finnish government was hoping for its stated goal was to boost employment


The article states that the free money made people like government more... but it didn't actually do what they intended because it didn't actually help them become employed.
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Guide
04/15/19 5:55:30 PM
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Weird how something comes out so... neutrally.

Worthwhile experiment, though.
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Spooking
04/15/19 5:57:11 PM
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Of course it does. Did we really need a stu-... well, you do have people who defend UBI saying it wouldn't cause them to become disinterested in working. How does one come to that conclusion without being bias to the max... I just don't know.
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CanuckCowboy
04/15/19 5:57:19 PM
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RedWhiteBlue posted...
Didn't read article, but didn't canada have a program going but it got slashed and ended because of a right winged party? Wasn't it going well until then?

But yeah I want a UBI in the U.S., and I finally saw some of Andrew Yang's stuff and that Ben Shapiro podcast interview. My only complaint, under Yang, is allowing people to fuck themselves over and saying "oh well" if they spend wrong, which many people will do beyond obvious necessities, typically by falling prey to greedy, manipulative corporations.


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Hexenherz
04/15/19 5:59:03 PM
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I am dehydrated and for some reason I read "UBI" as Irritable Bowel Syndrome
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Jagr_68
04/15/19 5:59:55 PM
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Hexenherz posted...
I am dehydrated and for some reason I read "UBI" as Irritable Bowel Syndrome


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s0nicfan
04/15/19 6:00:21 PM
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RedWhiteBlue posted...
My only complaint, under Yang, is allowing people to fuck themselves over and saying "oh well" if they spend wrong


This is honestly a fundamental problem with UBI. If your safety net needs a safety net, then there is something deeply flawed with it. People who support UBI often argue that the costs are offset by removing existing welfare programs, but I have yet to see someone seriously address your point, because I'd argue the people fighting hardest for UBI are the least likely to be willing to let people fall on their own sword due to their own decisions.
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cerealbox760
04/15/19 6:01:08 PM
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We should probably ease into UBI and start with $500 first
Guide
04/15/19 6:36:20 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
My only complaint, under Yang, is allowing people to fuck themselves over and saying "oh well" if they spend wrong


This is honestly a fundamental problem with UBI. If your safety net needs a safety net, then there is something deeply flawed with it. People who support UBI often argue that the costs are offset by removing existing welfare programs, but I have yet to see someone seriously address your point, because I'd argue the people fighting hardest for UBI are the least likely to be willing to let people fall on their own sword due to their own decisions.


UBI should have a set of classes tied to it, but that would probably cost more than the UBI sum itself.
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s0nicfan
04/15/19 7:37:58 PM
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Guide posted...
s0nicfan posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
My only complaint, under Yang, is allowing people to fuck themselves over and saying "oh well" if they spend wrong


This is honestly a fundamental problem with UBI. If your safety net needs a safety net, then there is something deeply flawed with it. People who support UBI often argue that the costs are offset by removing existing welfare programs, but I have yet to see someone seriously address your point, because I'd argue the people fighting hardest for UBI are the least likely to be willing to let people fall on their own sword due to their own decisions.


UBI should have a set of classes tied to it, but that would probably cost more than the UBI sum itself.


Which still doesn't resolve the core problem: If someone is on UBI, AND has taken all the classes, AND they still blow their money on junk... do we let them die? At that point can society wash its hands and say "we did all you deserve"?
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cerealbox760
04/15/19 10:40:54 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
Guide posted...
s0nicfan posted...
RedWhiteBlue posted...
My only complaint, under Yang, is allowing people to fuck themselves over and saying "oh well" if they spend wrong


This is honestly a fundamental problem with UBI. If your safety net needs a safety net, then there is something deeply flawed with it. People who support UBI often argue that the costs are offset by removing existing welfare programs, but I have yet to see someone seriously address your point, because I'd argue the people fighting hardest for UBI are the least likely to be willing to let people fall on their own sword due to their own decisions.


UBI should have a set of classes tied to it, but that would probably cost more than the UBI sum itself.


Which still doesn't resolve the core problem: If someone is on UBI, AND has taken all the classes, AND they still blow their money on junk... do we let them die? At that point can society wash its hands and say "we did all you deserve"?

Yes. We let them die. Its hardly any different than what we are doing right now
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