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Zangulus
04/13/19 12:16:24 AM
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Lily.

We got her from the shelter in 2012. She was estimated to be at least 5 years old but they couldnt be exact since they got her from the pound.

When she was at the shelter she was never happy. You could pet her but if you did anything wrong she would bleed you.

Over the course of multiple visits she decided she liked me and would follow me until I sat down and make me pet her. So I decided I wanted her.

My wife said we couldnt have another cat unless I got a bigger place. So I moved from an upstairs one bedroom to a duplex with two bedrooms and a laundry room.

When we went to pick he up, we walked in with the cage and told them we were here for her. They told us she had been adopted... but they had brought her back the day before. It was an elderly lady and she was hoping being in a single cat home Lily would come out and maybe just lay on the bed or something. They had her for 2 weeks and Lily hid under the bed the whole time. So they were worried she wasnt eating and decided to bring her back.

So I took the cage into the back room, picked Lily up and put her in the cage. One of the volunteers gawked at me and asked me how I managed that. Anytime they had to touch her she would go ballistic.

So weve given her almost 7 years. In that time she went from 7.9 pounds to 11. I could pick her up, flip her over and hold her like a football. She didnt mind. You can pet her as rough as you want and anywhere. She doesnt mind. She loves it.

The beginning of the year we noticed she was losing some weight. We had just switched cat foods. We went back and she gained wait... for awhile.

After awhile she was super thin. We took her to the vet last Friday, she was 7 pounds. They did blood tests... nothing conclusive.

Today we took her in to get X-rays and possible ultrasound.

When we went to pick her up, they said the vet wanted to discharge us personally...

He came in and said there is a substantial growth on her stomach were it meets the upper intestines. They also checked her lungs and it looks like its spread there too.

No medication can help at this point. An exploratory surgery they might be able to remove the tumor, and that could potentially give her another year. But then again it could be in places where they cant remove it.

So weve brought her home and we will have to put her down sometime soon. He said when she gets to 5 pounds it will be about time.

Shes super happy and playful and snuggly and she eats like mad.

Heres her eating her own private can of cat food in the bathroom:
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A few minutes ago she was grumping on the back of the couch waiting for my wife to sit so she could take over her lap:
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So yeah. This week has fucking sucked.

I bought myself a bottle of bourbon.
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Keebs05
04/13/19 12:21:00 AM
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That fucking sucks man. Nothing hurts quite like having to make that decision. You gave her 7 years of happiness though. She'll go out being loved.
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ReggieTheReckless
04/13/19 12:36:06 AM
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My grandparents little black kitty just died 2 days ago and it sucks and we are all terribly shaken. He was nice and cuddly and adorable (he was a pure black japanese bobtail). He was only 3 or 4, but he was a leukemia cat and he just.. got sick and couldn't come out of it. Had him at the vet on IVs and he just couldn't make it :(
Mead
04/13/19 12:48:38 AM
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Sorry man

Seems like you gave her a good home
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DPsx7
04/13/19 1:15:49 AM
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I wouldn't give up yet. My short story is I rescued a stray from work and because she was born feral with some interaction from us she was very skittish. Took a long time to warm up of course. One winter there was a growth on her 'ankle' and of course it wasn't good. Vet removed it and it came back after a year. Did this twice. I hesitated for amputation because I wasn't sure how she'd get along. Anyway it got to a point where the vet did a scan and assumed it reached her lungs so it wasn't worth putting her through the stress of surgery.

Something told me no. Despite the problem she ate, ran, was social and was dumb as ever. For the hell of it we went for a second opinion and the new doc said no it looked like scarring from a bronchial infection. Had the surgery and it's been many years since the old vet said '6 months'. Our pets can tell us things (if that makes sense) and depending what you see it may be worth exploring options besides the worst.

Not that I want to give false hope either, it's hard to offer advice in these situations. For me a year is a lot, I'd do almost anything for my cats. In fact I have several times.
Zangulus
04/13/19 1:39:35 AM
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DPsx7 posted...
I wouldn't give up yet. My short story is I rescued a stray from work and because she was born feral with some interaction from us she was very skittish. Took a long time to warm up of course. One winter there was a growth on her 'ankle' and of course it wasn't good. Vet removed it and it came back after a year. Did this twice. I hesitated for amputation because I wasn't sure how she'd get along. Anyway it got to a point where the vet did a scan and assumed it reached her lungs so it wasn't worth putting her through the stress of surgery.

Something told me no. Despite the problem she ate, ran, was social and was dumb as ever. For the hell of it we went for a second opinion and the new doc said no it looked like scarring from a bronchial infection. Had the surgery and it's been many years since the old vet said '6 months'. Our pets can tell us things (if that makes sense) and depending what you see it may be worth exploring options besides the worst.

Not that I want to give false hope either, it's hard to offer advice in these situations. For me a year is a lot, I'd do almost anything for my cats. In fact I have several times.


Well with the growth where it is, its a bad spot. Even if I could afford the surgery it would be rough regardless on her.

If I had the money I would definitely drop it on any of my cats.
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DPsx7
04/13/19 2:32:44 AM
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I don't suppose the vet offers payment plans or something. It sucks that money is the obstacle, if I ever had to my pets would be one of the very few reasons I'd sell my games. It's just that a happy, playful cat doesn't seem to be saying things are so bad. And after my experience there's always the what-if that makes me hate reading things like this. I dunno.
Zangulus
04/13/19 3:11:10 AM
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DPsx7 posted...
I don't suppose the vet offers payment plans or something. It sucks that money is the obstacle, if I ever had to my pets would be one of the very few reasons I'd sell my games. It's just that a happy, playful cat doesn't seem to be saying things are so bad. And after my experience there's always the what-if that makes me hate reading things like this. I dunno.


They wont do payment plans for that amount. And due to financial difficulties recently I cant get any sort of loan for it.

I do what I can for my animals, but I have limits.

I dont think about what ifs. I dont feel regret.
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adjl
04/13/19 9:37:36 AM
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Honestly, even if you had the money, it doesn't sound like it'd be worthwhile, given what a long shot it is. You've given her a good, happy life, and 12+ isn't exactly young for a cat. That doesn't make it suck any less, but I think you can be satisfied with how much you've done for her. *e-huggle*
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LeetCheet
04/13/19 9:55:55 AM
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I'm so sorry : (
Having to put down pets is one of the most heartbreaking things in life.
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SkynyrdRocker
04/13/19 10:03:14 AM
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I'm so sorry. You gave her a great home for many years though, it sounds like
Zangulus
04/13/19 11:56:06 AM
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adjl posted...
Honestly, even if you had the money, it doesn't sound like it'd be worthwhile, given what a long shot it is. You've given her a good, happy life, and 12+ isn't exactly young for a cat. That doesn't make it suck any less, but I think you can be satisfied with how much you've done for her. *e-huggle*


That's basically what I try to think. We gave them good homes.
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SunWuKung420
04/13/19 1:26:24 PM
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My condolences.
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Doctor Foxx
04/13/19 1:50:29 PM
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adjl posted...
Honestly, even if you had the money, it doesn't sound like it'd be worthwhile, given what a long shot it is. You've given her a good, happy life, and 12+ isn't exactly young for a cat. That doesn't make it suck any less, but I think you can be satisfied with how much you've done for her. *e-huggle*

Indeed. This is so hard Zang and I'm really sorry that you're at that point with Lily.

Surgery so extensive on a cat that old is not a good idea even if you have money. Anesthesia is hard, significantly more on older animals.

You gave her a great life, and she still has you until it's her time to go.
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04/13/19 1:52:46 PM
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Zangulus
04/15/19 8:50:59 AM
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She seemed very upbeat Satuday, but yesterday she wasnt as much.
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DPsx7
04/15/19 9:42:54 AM
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Zangulus posted...
She seemed very upbeat Satuday, but yesterday she wasnt as much.


Just don't rush things. Cats have good days and bad days too. They'll let you know if they really feel bad. You know, not eating or hiding a lot.
Zangulus
04/15/19 9:43:44 AM
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DPsx7 posted...
Zangulus posted...
She seemed very upbeat Satuday, but yesterday she wasnt as much.


Just don't rush things. Cats have good days and bad days too. They'll let you know if they really feel bad. You know, not eating or hiding a lot.


She hasnt hid at all. Not in a long time. Were going to give her more canned food. The vet said that eating is probably pretty painful for her.
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SunWuKung420
04/15/19 11:23:01 AM
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I'm taking care of my friend's cats while he and his wife are away.

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04/15/19 11:50:52 AM
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peanutt121
04/15/19 4:31:43 PM
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Zangulus posted...
I could pick her up, flip her over and hold her like a football. She didnt mind.


Last year in April I lost the best dog I've ever had. Like you I could pick him up and flip him on his back and also toss him up and catch with no fear and no squirming. He loved doing it lol. On April 22, 2018 after getting over a mild upper respiratory infection he was romping around the house and jumped up in my lap. He rarely got in my lap so I was thrilled. 20 minutes later he just dropped dead in my lap at age 14. 7 months later his wife died curled next to me sleeping. She was still warm when I woke up so I thought she was still sleeping. When I pushed her to wake her up she just flopped over and I knew she was gone. It broke my heart both times, they were the best buddies I've ever had over my 64 years. I still have their 12 yo daughter thank god.

My sincerest condolences Zangulus. I truly feel your pain.
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DPsx7
04/15/19 4:50:13 PM
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Zangulus posted...
She hasnt hid at all. Not in a long time. Were going to give her more canned food. The vet said that eating is probably pretty painful for her.


Probably? I hope for both your sake the vet isn't just guessing. I mean if eating hurts would the cat be eating like she used to? Some tumors are very slow.

I read on some site that vets can be careless. Shit like an older relative dies and since siblings want nothing to do with the pets they have them put down for no other reason. Like who could be THAT senseless? They couldn't do their job if they got attached to every 'patient' but still, sheeze. Only reason I say this is it relates to my story before with our old vet. Hope it's not making things harder for you... Just monitor the situation and enjoy every day you get.
Doctor Foxx
04/15/19 8:30:23 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Zangulus posted...
She hasnt hid at all. Not in a long time. Were going to give her more canned food. The vet said that eating is probably pretty painful for her.


Probably? I hope for both your sake the vet isn't just guessing. I mean if eating hurts would the cat be eating like she used to? Some tumors are very slow.

I read on some site that vets can be careless. Shit like an older relative dies and since siblings want nothing to do with the pets they have them put down for no other reason. Like who could be THAT senseless? They couldn't do their job if they got attached to every 'patient' but still, sheeze. Only reason I say this is it relates to my story before with our old vet. Hope it's not making things harder for you... Just monitor the situation and enjoy every day you get.

Dude. It's not the vets being careless and requesting that healthy animals are put down. It's the shitty family members that don't want to take on the responsibility asking a vet to do put them down. It happens a lot.

Vets have the highest suicide rate of any profession, they didn't get into their careers to put down healthy animals
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DrPrimemaster
04/15/19 8:40:54 PM
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Sounds like you gave Lily a good seven years she wouldnt have gotten anywhere else.
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DPsx7
04/15/19 9:26:16 PM
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Dude. It's not the vets being careless and requesting that healthy animals are put down. It's the shitty family members that don't want to take on the responsibility asking a vet to do put them down. It happens a lot.

Vets have the highest suicide rate of any profession, they didn't get into their careers to put down healthy animals


They are careless if the animal is otherwise healthy. Sure the family is the shittiest part but if a vet is only worried about earning another payment then that's not the kind of person I want to deal with. Of course this goes for any doctor or caregiver.
LinkPizza
04/15/19 9:58:17 PM
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I couldnt be a vet. I wouldnt put a healthy animal down, I dont think. Id probably end up adopting it from the family...
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Doctor Foxx
04/15/19 10:43:35 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...

Dude. It's not the vets being careless and requesting that healthy animals are put down. It's the shitty family members that don't want to take on the responsibility asking a vet to do put them down. It happens a lot.

Vets have the highest suicide rate of any profession, they didn't get into their careers to put down healthy animals


They are careless if the animal is otherwise healthy. Sure the family is the shittiest part but if a vet is only worried about earning another payment then that's not the kind of person I want to deal with. Of course this goes for any doctor or caregiver.

I'm sorry that you don't have experience with animal care and rescue. That's the sad reality, animals are legally property and owners can request to put down healthy animals. The vet's option is to comply or refuse which means losing business and possibly having to deal with animal abandonment, and there's not homes enough for every animal that needs one. Vets try all they can for healthy animals and most will turn convenience euthanasia requests away, but most pets that are put down are treatable or capable of rehabilitation. Even ignoring convenience euthanasia.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/healthy-pets-sometimes-euthanized-for-owners-convenience-veterinary-groups/article35078438/

Remember people can declaw cats and cosmetically dock dogs just because they want to, and they're within the law. Bad treatment comes down to bad owners. Vets make their money on repeat business, which means keeping animals seen regularly and in healthy shape, and they are not keen to suggest euthanasia unless there's truly a problem. A second opinion is always an option.
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04/15/19 10:46:07 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...

Dude. It's not the vets being careless and requesting that healthy animals are put down. It's the shitty family members that don't want to take on the responsibility asking a vet to do put them down. It happens a lot.

Vets have the highest suicide rate of any profession, they didn't get into their careers to put down healthy animals


They are careless if the animal is otherwise healthy. Sure the family is the shittiest part but if a vet is only worried about earning another payment then that's not the kind of person I want to deal with. Of course this goes for any doctor or caregiver.


The alternative in that case is usually going to be the family either killing the animal themselves (which isn't likely to be as humane as the vet doing it) or - more likely - setting the animal loose to fend for itself on the streets. For a household pet, the latter isn't likely to end particularly well for the animal (again, not particularly humanely), or if it does survive, it adds to the problem of stray animals in the area (potential capture, sheltering, and rehoming/euthanasia costs, possibly attacks if the animal is dangerous enough, etc.). In that scenario, euthanising the animal is very often going to be the better, more humane choice, even if that seems unreasonable for such a healthy animal.

Trust me, no vet is going to suggest putting down a pet you want to keep unless they really believe there's no other choice. Even if we do presume they're all heartless and immoral and just out to make an easy buck (which is baseless and paranoid), they stand to make substantially more money treating your pets' health problems for another couple years than charging you to kill them prematurely.
Zangulus
04/15/19 11:04:28 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Zangulus posted...
She hasnt hid at all. Not in a long time. Were going to give her more canned food. The vet said that eating is probably pretty painful for her.


Probably? I hope for both your sake the vet isn't just guessing. I mean if eating hurts would the cat be eating like she used to? Some tumors are very slow.

I read on some site that vets can be careless. Shit like an older relative dies and since siblings want nothing to do with the pets they have them put down for no other reason. Like who could be THAT senseless? They couldn't do their job if they got attached to every 'patient' but still, sheeze. Only reason I say this is it relates to my story before with our old vet. Hope it's not making things harder for you... Just monitor the situation and enjoy every day you get.


Considering the location of the tumor, it's probably pretty reasonable that it hurts to eat. Well, to be more precise, digest. And she isn't eating like she used to... she's already started to eat less.

I trust my vets, we've been going there for 15 years. They've never once suggested euthanasia for simple things. The two cats I have put down had renal failure, and FIP. Neither could barely walk anymore... and I would not be putting an animal down if there was something I could do.

The cat we had to put down due to renal failure actually showed the same symptoms two years before, and a round of antibiotics helped him. The problem with him is that he was not food motivated, so he wouldn't eat unless he needed too, and he'd go until it was almost too late. As soon as we saw him having the same symptoms we called the vet's office and told them, and they didn't even make us come in (it was 2 years later) for an office visit, they just prescribed the same medication. He actually started to do better for a couple of weeks and then crashed. We called the vet and got in that day, she took one look in his mouth and saw he had jaundice. He wasn't going to survive the day at that rate, the only option would be to force feed him with a tube to the cost of thousands, which I couldn't afford. And it might not have worked. It might have only delayed the inevitable and caused him more undue pain.

Which is exactly what surgery would do to Lily. It might work, she might go through terror and pain and die on the operating table. She was scared and trembling when we went to pick her up. And the first thing she did when she calmed down was climb into my wife's lap. And even if Lily does survive, he said it was probable the tumor would be back in a year based on previous experience with such cases.

I don't have any real reason to doubt my vets, and I know for a fact they're incredibly compassionate when it comes to dealing with having to put down animals. They wouldn't have even suggested it unless it was about the only possible way to go.
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LinkPizza
04/15/19 11:09:10 PM
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I cant even imagine what youre going through. I was crying when my older dog wouldnt stop shaking some months ago. I was terrified. I didnt know what was wrong or how to help. And trying to explain to the vet what was going on. The problem was, it wasnt his primary vet, but his secondary one. I couldnt reach his primary one. The secondary vet thought I was a druggie or something...
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Zangulus
04/16/19 1:01:31 AM
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She was just in the kitchen looking shitty (as in playful). So thats nice.

Weighed her and shes about 6Lbs 4-5oz. Which is several ounces down from Friday.

The vet said about 5 pounds will be around time..
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DPsx7
04/16/19 1:07:20 AM
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Doctor Foxx posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Doctor Foxx posted...

Dude. It's not the vets being careless and requesting that healthy animals are put down. It's the shitty family members that don't want to take on the responsibility asking a vet to do put them down. It happens a lot.

Vets have the highest suicide rate of any profession, they didn't get into their careers to put down healthy animals


They are careless if the animal is otherwise healthy. Sure the family is the shittiest part but if a vet is only worried about earning another payment then that's not the kind of person I want to deal with. Of course this goes for any doctor or caregiver.

I'm sorry that you don't have experience with animal care and rescue. That's the sad reality, animals are legally property and owners can request to put down healthy animals. The vet's option is to comply or refuse which means losing business and possibly having to deal with animal abandonment, and there's not homes enough for every animal that needs one. Vets try all they can for healthy animals and most will turn convenience euthanasia requests away, but most pets that are put down are treatable or capable of rehabilitation. Even ignoring convenience euthanasia.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/healthy-pets-sometimes-euthanized-for-owners-convenience-veterinary-groups/article35078438/

Remember people can declaw cats and cosmetically dock dogs just because they want to, and they're within the law. Bad treatment comes down to bad owners. Vets make their money on repeat business, which means keeping animals seen regularly and in healthy shape, and they are not keen to suggest euthanasia unless there's truly a problem. A second opinion is always an option.


Better idea - kill the owner then. Want to put down a healthy animal because you're lazy? Let's go out back for a sec... Wouldn't even convict them.

*Um, this is sorta separate from the main topic. Like to think Zang and vet are good.
Zangulus
04/16/19 2:32:31 AM
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This is what the hallway looks like as my wife gives Lily her dinner:

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peanutt121
04/16/19 4:36:57 PM
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That's quite a pack, Zangulus. At least you won't be left kittyless.

There are good and bad Vets just like every other facet of life, but it sounds like you found a very good one. At one point I had a couple of good ones. One sadly died of old age and the ones here in New Hampshire are all kinda sketchy. Lakes Region used to be an independent vet but is now owned by VCA and they are just criminally horrid. All about the money and no compassion. The 2 vets that were good there have left and VCA won't tell me where to find them. I had been doing business there for nearly 14 years and when Merlynn (died in April 2108) was ill in late 2017 they wouldn't even look at him without payment in full up front. This after paying thousands in full over 13 years and the previous last time I paid off a 12 month agreement in 3 months. Disgusting if you ask me.

Good luck and I hope Lily fools everyone and lives 10 more years.
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Moonjay
04/16/19 4:38:43 PM
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People at our vet have cried for us, grieved for us, allowed us to pay later for euthanasia, and sent us sympathy cards. I definitely know that they care.
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adjl
04/16/19 4:44:10 PM
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peanutt121 posted...
The 2 vets that were good there have left and VCA won't tell me where to find them.


Have you tried using social media to track them down? Could see if they're on LinkedIn, or try making a Facebook post asking if anyone's heard of them. These days, it's pretty easy to find somebody who isn't actively hiding, even if their former boss is trying to keep you from following them with your business.
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DPsx7
04/16/19 4:47:56 PM
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Moonjay posted...
People at our vet have cried for us, grieved for us, allowed us to pay later for euthanasia, and sent us sympathy cards. I definitely know that they care.


Our new one did that for a previous cat. Some care, some don't. My intent wasn't to derail anything by bringing it up.

Holy shit Zang, I thought you only had a couple. Lol.
adjl
04/16/19 4:53:09 PM
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DPsx7 posted...
Holy s*** Zang, I thought you only had a couple. Lol.


His signature is a list of his cats' names. Some of those names are more than one word long, and I'm not sure why he hasn't employed commas to clarify it, but it still nicely captures just how much of a crazy cat lady man he is.
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gguirao
04/16/19 5:18:10 PM
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Sorry for your loss.
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Zangulus
04/16/19 7:15:32 PM
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peanutt121 posted...
That's quite a pack, Zangulus. At least you won't be left kittyless.


I plan to never be without cats ever again.

DPsx7 posted...
Holy shit Zang, I thought you only had a couple. Lol.


We were supposed to stop at 6...

adjl posted...
His signature is a list of his cats' names. Some of those names are more than one word long, and I'm not sure why he hasn't employed commas to clarify it, but it still nicely captures just how much of a crazy cat lady man he is.


When I did my signature commas counted as 4 characters so I couldnt fit them in.

gguirao posted...
Sorry for your loss.


Well, she isnt gone yet... but thanks.
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DPsx7
04/16/19 7:30:35 PM
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adjl posted...
DPsx7 posted...
Holy s*** Zang, I thought you only had a couple. Lol.


His signature is a list of his cats' names. Some of those names are more than one word long, and I'm not sure why he hasn't employed commas to clarify it, but it still nicely captures just how much of a crazy cat lady man he is.


Huh. I never knew they were pet names. It looked like, I dunno, someone had a mild stroke while typing or something. Makes me look tame with just 3.

*Must collect more kitties...*
Zangulus
04/16/19 7:35:56 PM
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I just went and looked, and the commas now count as 1 character again. But I only have 1 character free. Lol
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Bug Doughnut Penelope Lily Fudge Zinnia Tillamook Cotton Duchess Mallory Von Fluffenbottom Lupine Lovesong Lavender Harmony Dandelion Potato
malignantmouse
04/16/19 7:37:08 PM
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Zangulus posted...
When I did my signature commas counted as 4 characters so I couldnt fit them in.


I made some guesses, but you can do CamelCase and semi colons
CrazyCatLady;ManBug;Doughnut;Penelope;Lily;Fudge;Zinnia;Tillamook;Cotton;
DuchessMalloryVonFluffenbottom;Lupine;Lovesong;Lavender;Harmony;Dandelion; Potato
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LinkPizza
04/16/19 7:37:40 PM
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Zangulus posted...
I just went and looked, and the commas now count as 1 character again. But I only have 1 character free. Lol

Im guessing you need 9 commas. Which would mean 8 more spaces. Hmmm... A dilemma we are in... Maybe make it CCLM... Idk...
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Zangulus
04/16/19 9:04:54 PM
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malignantmouse posted...
Zangulus posted...
When I did my signature commas counted as 4 characters so I couldnt fit them in.


I made some guesses, but you can do CamelCase and semi colons
CrazyCatLady;ManBug;Doughnut;Penelope;Lily;Fudge;Zinnia;Tillamook;Cotton;
DuchessMalloryVonFluffenbottom;Lupine;Lovesong;Lavender;Harmony;Dandelion; Potato


You hit it pretty close.

Bug
Doughnut
Penelope
Lily
Fudge
Zinnia
Tillamook
Cotton
Duchess Mallory Von Fluffenbottom
Lupine Lovesong
Lavender Harmony
Dandelion Potato

LinkPizza posted...
Zangulus posted...
I just went and looked, and the commas now count as 1 character again. But I only have 1 character free. Lol

Im guessing you need 9 commas. Which would mean 8 more spaces. Hmmm... A dilemma we are in... Maybe make it CCLM... Idk...


11 commas. Im not a huge fan of esoteric acronyms. Ill think about it.
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Crazy Cat Lady Man
Bug Doughnut Penelope Lily Fudge Zinnia Tillamook Cotton Duchess Mallory Von Fluffenbottom Lupine Lovesong Lavender Harmony Dandelion Potato
peanutt121
04/16/19 9:30:13 PM
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Zangulus posted...
I plan to never be without cats ever again.


@Zangulus
Same for me, but dogs. I've got a great Humane Society that will be supplying my future dogs lol. I don't know why but they get quite a few mini-dachshunds to adopt out, and every one I've worked with to socialize are great and easy to work with. If I could have more than one at my complex I'd have a herd of em like your cats :)
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