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red sox 777
04/15/19 6:20:36 PM
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Massachusetts governor? This is going to be ugly. The campaign is going to be all about how a governor of Massachusetts could not possibly be a real conservative, and yes, Trump will get away with having the most liberal policies for a Republican in decades because he is the best at insulting people.
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04/15/19 6:25:48 PM
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Weld was on the Libertarian ticket in 2016 (as VP IIRC) and I think in the later stages of the election he basically endorsed Clinton because Trump was grossly unqualified.
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SmartMuffin
04/15/19 6:54:03 PM
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Weld is the lowest of the low scumbags.
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Nrrr
04/15/19 6:57:22 PM
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Bernie Sanders finally leads in his first national poll, with him at 29% and Biden at 24%. No other candidates in double digits. Seems like an outlier right now but we will see.
kevwaffles
04/15/19 7:05:49 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
Weld is the lowest of the low scumbags.

Couldn't imagine a stronger endorsement.
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CelesMyUserName
04/15/19 7:06:22 PM
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as far as the primaries go I'm still waiting for the dead wait to drop off before I bother following the "race", but I'll always welcome news of Biden falling in any way

speaking of, Biden still not being "officially announced" is getting so ridiculous, his "slip-up" was a damn month ago
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ChaosTonyV4
04/16/19 4:20:32 AM
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/15/bernie-sanders-millionaire-no-apology-1277009

Sanders takes on Fox and emerges triumphant

The Democratic front-runner ventured where his rivals haven't dared, and notched an hour of positive publicity.

My man.
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SmartMuffin
04/16/19 8:20:22 AM
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I actually feel like he did well, yeah.

I mean his policies are still stupid, but he came across as genuine, like he had actually put some thought into them and truly believes in them. Most importantly, he showed that he understood the concept of tradeoffs, and that his platform is more than "if only we punish white men a little bit more, all of our problems will be magically solved," which automatically puts him in like the top 5% of Democrats.

He probably slots in right behind Tulsi and Yang on the "if someone was going to kill me for not voting Democrat, who would I pick" list.
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Espeon
04/16/19 9:18:05 AM
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Wouldnt a little bit more imply white men actually suffer in modern society? Like, at ALL?
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red sox 777
04/16/19 9:31:38 AM
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Espeon posted...
Wouldnt a little bit more imply white men actually suffer in modern society? Like, at ALL?


The mistake here is to compare the average white man to say, the average minority. Individual people can suffer from actions affecting a group, even if the average person in the group isn't affected.

Example: let's say Harvard puts in a racial quota on admissions (illegal, but schools can easily put in a soft quota and get away with it). The policy is for the Harvard class to reflect the demographics of the country as a whole. But, suppose it turns out that Harvard does nothing to change its policy of giving 30% of the seats to legacy students. And suppose it turns out that 98% of legacy admits are white.

What's the result here? For a white student who doesn't have family who went to Harvard, they are suffering in that they are competing for a much reduced number of seats (places going to white students who aren't legacy admits).

It's important to recognize that much of the advantages of white privilege are inextricably tied to wealth and class. Being a white man confers a big advantage if you want to be a CEO. If you are just trying to get hired at your local fast food restaurant, not so much. The problem with liberal elites, and why they are so unpopular, is they won't lift a finger to reduce the advantages of privilege that benefit themselves, while they advocate for heavy-handed measures with no precision that hurt people less well-off than them.
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Mr Lasastryke
04/16/19 12:36:17 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
I actually feel like he did well, yeah.

I mean his policies are still stupid, but he came across as genuine, like he had actually put some thought into them and truly believes in them. Most importantly, he showed that he understood the concept of tradeoffs, and that his platform is more than "if only we punish white men a little bit more, all of our problems will be magically solved," which automatically puts him in like the top 5% of Democrats.


god you're such a cuck
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GuessMyUserName
04/16/19 12:53:58 PM
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Trump in utter shock that his propaganda network had a positive reaction to Bernie

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1118155023849017345

also lmao I love that Muffin will now consider Bernie the "one good democrat" despite still being the democrat most diametrically opposed to Muffin's policies
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Mr Lasastryke
04/16/19 1:00:37 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
also lmao I love that Muffin will now consider Bernie the "one good democrat" despite still being the democrat most diametrically opposed to Muffin's policies


i mean, trump was one of the republican candidates most diametrically opposed to muffin and he still passionately supported him

it's been clear for a long time that "consistent political ideas" is not something we should be expecting from him
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GuessMyUserName
04/16/19 1:01:47 PM
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smartmuffin more like cuckmuffin ayyyy
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Nrrr
04/16/19 1:09:35 PM
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Implying smartmuffin actually believes the policies he supports are good lol

When right wingers respect Bernie the most it's because he is sincere and not some empty suit talking platitudes, because nobody likes letting someone pull a fast one on them, it's insulting when politicians think they can fake their way into your support. The right wing had the same thing with Trump, sociopaths like seph G couldn't stand that he was going mask off instead of pretending. Turns out the base of frothing angry terrified people respond well to the genuine display of their own feelings. Same thing with Bernie, people on the left want to help make a more just society and want someone who seems as passionate about it as they are, not some stuffy, condescending technocrat. People value it when you keep it real
Umitencho
04/16/19 1:15:16 PM
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red sox 777 posted...
Trump will get away with having the most liberal policies for a Republican in decades


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4" data-time="


Boy are you conservatives something else. Caught in a constant no true scotsman loop for all eternity.
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Mr Lasastryke
04/16/19 1:25:36 PM
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Nrrr posted...
When right wingers respect Bernie the most it's because he is sincere and not some empty suit talking platitudes,


this also goes for AOC and muffin despises her. so this explanation doesn't entirely work.
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Not_an_Owl
04/16/19 1:32:19 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Nrrr posted...
When right wingers respect Bernie the most it's because he is sincere and not some empty suit talking platitudes,


this also goes for AOC and muffin despises her. so this explanation doesn't entirely work.

AOC is neither white nor male.
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Jakyl25
04/16/19 1:32:33 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
Trump in utter shock that his propaganda network had a positive reaction to Bernie

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1118155023849017345

also lmao I love that Muffin will now consider Bernie the "one good democrat" despite still being the democrat most diametrically opposed to Muffin's policies


What is the conspiracy theory here? That Bret Baier is a liberal mole?
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LordoftheMorons
04/16/19 1:34:47 PM
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Oh JFC Alabama:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439063-poll-roy-moore-leading-alabama-gop-field
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red sox 777
04/16/19 1:34:48 PM
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Bernie isn't a Democrat. He recognized the rot in that party long ago.
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Nrrr
04/16/19 1:35:55 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Nrrr posted...
When right wingers respect Bernie the most it's because he is sincere and not some empty suit talking platitudes,


this also goes for AOC and muffin despises her. so this explanation doesn't entirely work.


He thinks Bernie and AOC are dumb, all he said positive about Bernie is that he is genuine. It's possible he would say the same about her. I am no expert on the psyche of smartmuffin and his particular hangups though.
Jakyl25
04/16/19 1:37:22 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Oh JFC Alabama:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439063-poll-roy-moore-leading-alabama-gop-field


More and more of his girlfriends are gaining the right to vote
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Mr Lasastryke
04/16/19 1:41:16 PM
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Nrrr posted...
He thinks Bernie and AOC are dumb, all he said positive about Bernie is that he is genuine. It's possible he would say the same about her.


lol no he would never say that about AOC.

it's funny because glenn beck said basically the exact same thing about AOC as muffin said about bernie ("her policies are fucking terrible but she seems like a nice girl who genuinely believes the policies that she advocates will help the poor") and of course when that happened, muffin was first in line to go "LOL BECK IS SUCH A CUCK."

right-wing people are only allowed to say nice things about bernie, apparently. say one nice thing about AOC and you're automatically a cuck.
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Xeybozn
04/16/19 1:49:38 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Oh JFC Alabama:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/439063-poll-roy-moore-leading-alabama-gop-field

Isn't that mostly just name recognition at this point? I can't imagine many voters have put serious thought into a primary happening a year from now, and the article points out more GOP voters have an unfavorable view of him than have him as their first choice.
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SmartMuffin
04/16/19 6:44:39 PM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
also lmao I love that Muffin will now consider Bernie the "one good democrat" despite still being the democrat most diametrically opposed to Muffin's policies


I mean I literally said he ranked third among current Dem presidential candidates, so...

But in any case, identity politics is the biggest threat to my safety, security, and future. Bernie shows little inclination to have me imprisoned, beaten, or killed, because of my race, gender, or even beliefs. That's becoming a rarer and rarer quality on the left.
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StealThisSheen
04/16/19 6:53:56 PM
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Anybody who genuinely says "As a white male, I fear being imprisoned or beaten because of my race and gender" is such a cuck
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Mr Lasastryke
04/16/19 6:54:41 PM
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SmartMuffin posted...
But in any case, identity politics is the biggest threat to my safety, security, and future. Bernie shows little inclination to have me imprisoned, beaten, or killed, because of my race, gender, or even beliefs. That's becoming a rarer and rarer quality on the left.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4" data-time="

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Inviso
04/16/19 6:59:50 PM
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What a fucking loser.
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red sox 777
04/17/19 12:35:19 PM
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Polling has started to be released for the upcoming European elections in the UK. Nigel Farage's Brexit Party is first with 27%, Labour is at 22%, and the Conservatives are at 15%. Looks like there isn't too much danger of vote splitting with UKIP.
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HanOfTheNekos
04/17/19 12:50:28 PM
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If y'all elect me, I will imprison Smuffin. Just him specifically.
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Not_an_Owl
04/17/19 12:57:02 PM
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HanOfTheNekos posted...
If y'all elect me, I will imprison Smuffin. Just him specifically.

Well I'm sold. #Han2020
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Jakyl25
04/17/19 6:18:44 PM
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https://www.gq.com/story/ky-republicans-aoc-coal-miners

Kentucky Republicans Worried Inviting AOC to Meet with Coal Miners Might Backfire
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Peace___Frog
04/17/19 6:23:33 PM
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The best part of that?

Uninviting Ocasio-Cortez is probably a smart move on Barr's part in the long run. For one thing, there aren't any active coal mines in Barr's district. And James Comer, another Republican representative from Kentucky, told local news that he didn't "see any upside" to having her come to Kentucky. "I think a lot of Republicans are making a mistake picking on her. I think we need to be very prepared when we debate her on issues that we're having a hard time with."


Emphasis my own.
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Umitencho
04/17/19 6:38:22 PM
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Also, she represents New York's 14th district. Trying to humiliate her in Kentucky is dumb. If it weren't for the presence of a large business class & wealthy families in NY, Republicans would get shut out of New York like what is happening with California. They are trying to paint DEMs as out of touch, but the REPS are telegraphing the most dumbest of moves that if I were a conservative voter in Kentucky, I would be offended by the attempt to whip me up in some mob frenzy. Stick to the facts, you have a 30 year record to fall back on for better or worse that you should be pulling from.
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Shaduln
04/17/19 10:16:24 PM
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It's so funny how the Republicans are almost grooming AOC to be president in a few years.
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red sox 777
04/18/19 2:14:11 AM
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Republicans want what's best for the country. We miscalculated a bit in thinking that Democrats could represent their half of the country, but it turns out they can't, so now we have to give them a nudge to help them choose better leaders like AOC.
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Mr Lasastryke
04/18/19 2:41:25 AM
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red sox 777 posted...
Republicans want what's best for themselves.


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LordoftheMorons
04/18/19 11:39:45 AM
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https://twitter.com/natesilver538/status/1118897406039461889?s=21
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LordoftheMorons
04/18/19 11:40:55 AM
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Also sounds like Mueller explicitly left the question of obstruction to Congress:

https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/1118898929444122624?s=21
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LordoftheMorons
04/18/19 11:42:53 AM
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Full does not exonerate quote:

https://twitter.com/arimelber/status/1118898565634568194?s=21
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Nelson_Mandela
04/18/19 11:49:55 AM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Also sounds like Mueller explicitly left the question of obstruction to Congress:

https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/1118898929444122624?s=21

Congress is literally the only body that can charge a president with a crime. This is 250 year old news.
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red sox 777
04/18/19 12:02:20 PM
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Yup, it's a nonjusticiable political question. Mueller has it right. The judiciary branch and executive branch do not and should not have the authority to prosecute a president for obstruction of justice, because all of the authority held by the justice department is delegated by the president and he has broad discretion to choose the priority of the laws to enforce and the strategies to do so (reminder: Obama unilaterally decided to stop enforcing immigration law for DACA). As Nixon said, inartfully, if the president does it, that means it is not illegal. A more artful formulation from England is that no indictment can lie against the king, they all going in his name.

Whether the president has faithfully performed his duty to enforce the laws is a political question, and only Congress and the voters at the next election have the power to pass judgment.
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red sox 777
04/18/19 12:06:57 PM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
red sox 777 posted...
Republicans want what's best for themselves.


fixed


I'm not sure about that. Lots of Republicans vote against their own interests. I would guess the majority do, actually, since there aren't many people in the 1%.
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LordoftheMorons
04/18/19 12:07:17 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Also sounds like Mueller explicitly left the question of obstruction to Congress:

https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/1118898929444122624?s=21

Congress is literally the only body that can charge a president with a crime. This is 250 year old news.

The point here is that as long as Mueller agrees with that view, the fact that he didnt charge Trump with anything is worth exactly nothing as a defense of the claim that Trump isnt guilty of anything (despite Barrs deliberate attempt to mislead people to that conclusion)
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Nelson_Mandela
04/18/19 12:09:18 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Also sounds like Mueller explicitly left the question of obstruction to Congress:

https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/1118898929444122624?s=21

Congress is literally the only body that can charge a president with a crime. This is 250 year old news.

The point here is that as long as Mueller agrees with that view, the fact that he didnt charge Trump with anything is worth exactly nothing as a defense of the claim that Trump isnt guilty of anything (despite Barrs deliberate attempt to mislead people to that conclusion)

Uh, no. He can certainly draw conclusions based on the evidence (as he did with the collusion charges). But he chose not to do so on obstruction because there isn't evidence one way or another for him to take a stance.
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red sox 777
04/18/19 12:11:02 PM
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If LordoftheMorons posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Also sounds like Mueller explicitly left the question of obstruction to Congress:

https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/1118898929444122624?s=21

Congress is literally the only body that can charge a president with a crime. This is 250 year old news.

The point here is that as long as Mueller agrees with that view, the fact that he didnt charge Trump with anything is worth exactly nothing as a defense of the claim that Trump isnt guilty of anything (despite Barrs deliberate attempt to mislead people to that conclusion)


If we're talking about obstruction, if that view is correct, then obstruction is a crime that is impossible for the president to commit, as a matter of law.
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LordoftheMorons
04/18/19 12:17:57 PM
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Theres plenty of evidence for obstruction. For example, you may have heard of this guy named James Comey that Trump asked if he could let this whole thing go, then fired, then went on TV and said he did so because of this whole Russia thing with Trump and Russia

red sox 777 posted...
If LordoftheMorons posted...
Nelson_Mandela posted...
LordoftheMorons posted...
Also sounds like Mueller explicitly left the question of obstruction to Congress:

https://twitter.com/juddlegum/status/1118898929444122624?s=21

Congress is literally the only body that can charge a president with a crime. This is 250 year old news.

The point here is that as long as Mueller agrees with that view, the fact that he didnt charge Trump with anything is worth exactly nothing as a defense of the claim that Trump isnt guilty of anything (despite Barrs deliberate attempt to mislead people to that conclusion)


If we're talking about obstruction, if that view is correct, then obstruction is a crime that is impossible for the president to commit, as a matter of law.

He can clearly obstruct an investigation in the plain English sense of the word, and Trump doing so (as he quite clearly did) would be entirely appropriate grounds for impeachment.
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LordoftheMorons
04/18/19 12:22:54 PM
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No, collusion!

https://twitter.com/mepfuller/status/1118899884256636928?s=21
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xp1337
04/18/19 12:23:54 PM
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It's probably going to take a while for WaPo and co. to get a good comprehensive summary of everything in this but just reading a bunch of quotes various reporters are highlighting holy **** this looks awful.

and this is the redacted version

like i'd try to give a bullet point version for the topic but it's just too much already and it's only been an hour

Nadler and Schiff have both sent letters/requests to Mueller to have him come to the House to testify.
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