Poll of the Day > Do you think the idea of free college is a good idea for the u.s.?

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Yellow
04/08/19 2:33:14 AM
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Moneymoney posted...
What this got to do about the subject?

Income inequity is at an all time high since the great depression, Millenials graduated into a recession, and it all could have been avoided if Millenials had any say in it.

Changing anything about the system is an uphill battle against people fundamentally attached to trickle down economics, stuck in the 70/80s, where hard work was an actual guarantee to success, and not an occasional $30k dead end field with occasional random bankruptcies due to lack of welfare found in every other modern society, people who insist we spend multitudes of any welfare program on overseas offensive wars on countries that didn't attack us.

Conflicts of interest aren't a concept they accept, they don't know the meaning of the word corruption.
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Moneymoney
04/08/19 2:34:00 AM
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Not really apprentice, job fairs you really don't need college. Really is a scam. Everyone looking for help and shit semis will just pay for your license to learn and cnas will pay as well cause there in need. I just think they made college cause kids getting out of the pad and now on there own. Just some where to be to get use to life on there own.
Yellow
04/08/19 2:38:01 AM
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Moneymoney posted...
Not really apprentice, job fairs you really don't need college. Really is a scam. Everyone looking for help and shit semis will just pay for your license to learn and cnas will pay as well cause there in need. I just think they made college cause kids getting out of the pad and now on there own. Just some where to be to get use to life on there own.

Of course that's not the case for every field.

My field as a programmer, sure, I can make it without any certification even. Doctor? Nurse? Engineer? Hell no. My sister's got a $30k she'll pay off in a couple of decades from nursing school. Knowing her she probably doesn't even like her job at all.
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Moneymoney
04/08/19 2:45:02 AM
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You brain dead? Can join the military they will teach you to be a doctor. Oh my want free nursing shit open up a news paper they will apprentice you with a bonus cause there in need oh my engineer still jobs will just teach you than hire you on.
SideshowBob311
04/08/19 8:56:55 AM
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Or people could stop going hundreds of thousands of dollars into debt to get vanity degrees that will not provide the means to recover that cost?

Nah, that's too logical.....free stuff for everybody! Better raise taxes, Johnny needs that Art History / Gender Studies double major!
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BeerOnTap
04/08/19 9:03:58 AM
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Free is the wrong word. Subsidized would be more fitting. Its not free when the money used to pay for it has been stolen from taxpayers by force.
retro_9980
04/08/19 10:54:37 AM
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Ive always thought college should be free. It is in some European countries, and in the USA, public high school is free, so why cant college be.
Mead
04/08/19 10:58:36 AM
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The absurd pricing of tuition, healthcare, and pharmaceuticals in the US are exactly what you get when you apply nearly unfettered capitalism to industries that need a more socialist approach by their very nature
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WastelandCowboy
04/08/19 1:22:11 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Zeus posted...
which is only a relatively small percentage of the total costs. And more importantly, it's not just state dollars, it's also federal dollars. Ergo, I'm impacted regardless of state. Argo, Ben Affleck.

and how exactly are you, yourself, impacted by the usage of federal dollars?

Also, you seemed to have convienently ignored the other responses. Why?

WastelandCowboy posted...
You and everyone else in the country can bitch and moan about what the government should and shouldnt fund with their tax dollars. At the end of the day, though, nobody gives a shit what you and everybody else feels.


Zeus posted...
Why would you provide free college for everybody?

We already established this. No. Free college is dumb, but apparently you're incapable of reading past your own thoughts and personal agenda so I'll repost what I said earlier...

WastelandCowboy posted...
It sounds great, but in practicality, no.

College shouldn't be the next thing after high school anyway. Young adults should think about what they want to do, checking out career and trade fairs, instead of college fairs. If you want to learn more, great, then go to college. If you're just going to college to get a degree for a job, then you're going for the wrong reason and just throwing away money that could be better spent on certifications, job training, apprenticeships, etc.


Zeus posted...
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You're not great. You're just some [word] on PotD that foolishly-thinks he's a god just because your account is named Zeus. Grow the fuck up dude and get your head out of your ass.

Reposting cause apparently using that word is flaming.
Yellow
04/08/19 4:58:12 PM
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Moneymoney posted...
You brain dead? Can join the military they will teach you to be a doctor. Oh my want free nursing shit open up a news paper they will apprentice you with a bonus cause there in need oh my engineer still jobs will just teach you than hire you on.

Yeah I talked to my friend about this today, you need all kinds of degrees to be an engineer, chemistry, physics, you can't just take an apprenticeship with a high school diploma.

The nursing program is new, wasn't available when my sister started and is only available in Kentucky. If she could see into the future she definitely could have avoided $30k of debt.
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Zeus
04/12/19 2:32:22 AM
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I gotta catch up on this shit later, but figured I'd finally post the things I started the other day.

WastelandCowboy posted...
It's just always funny, how, when you're called-out on something, you have a history of not responding to it.

When I commented on free college, it just would have been, I dunno, a common courtesy to respond and admit fault that "oh shit, sorry. apparently you're not for free college. my bad." instead, you just project.


That's not "calling out on something." And when there's something worth noting, I note it. However, you're simultaneously arguing that you don't support a thing while making arguments for said thing so you should be able to understand why somebody could misconstrue you as supporting it.

WastelandCowboy posted...
I'm not "obsessed" with you, like you are with Mead. The two of you need to just fuck and move on.


You're clearly more obsessed with me than any feud with Mead on my side.

Yellow posted...
Zeus posted...
...again, most of those European countries with free college have *less* enrollment than the US. And lol? You're touting public high schools -- with their innumerable problems -- as a success? >_> In addition to the US's public high schools offering dismal results, they're also a massive tax burden and you just want to tack another and another burden onto it.

society would literally fall apart without public high school

Or at least, we'd be back in 19th century poverty.


lolwut? There's relatively little basis to either claim. Hell, there are guys who I *know* have graduated college yet still spell worse than a middle schooler. And, like I've mentioned many times already, I had kids in my study period who couldn't answer basic facts concerning WWII -- again, something covered in middle school -- despite attending a CT high school, which is supposed to have a good education system.

And, having attended schools throughout the US, I have very little faith in our public education system, which has largely been subverted by unions working in the interests of teachers rather than students or parents.
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ShadosAtPhoenix
04/12/19 8:34:45 AM
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Education and such opportunities should be free and available to all.

However, the US's fetishism over college is toxic. Being a plumber shouldn't be looked down upon. Tradeschool and associate degrees should be viable options. Not everyone needs to be a software engineer. You didn't fail at life because you decided an extra 4 years of school isn't for you.

Right now, without a massive culture shift, free college in the US would just mean a lot of people with 4 year degrees without jobs to go with it and no idea what to do with their lives (which is still better than the exact same things PLUS 120k worth of debt, mind you)
GastroFan
04/12/19 8:45:22 AM
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If you want a person to have a college degree before you hire them, then why shouldn't people be able to get that college degree for free? After all you have to pay a tax so that everyone can get a (supposedly free) high school diploma; so why would giving everyone a free college degree (if they want it) be any different? Of course the banks and other organizations that provide student loans won't like having their 'captive' market taken from them (since you wouldn't need a student loan); that's why all the uproar.
Kyuubi4269
04/12/19 9:02:07 AM
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GastroFan posted...
you have to pay a tax so that everyone can get a (supposedly free) high school diploma; so why would giving everyone a free college degree (if they want it) be any different?

Because high school diploma means you can work the basic service jobs and not be a drain, college degrees don't offset as much cost.
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Revelation34
04/12/19 2:54:14 PM
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ShadosAtPhoenix posted...
Right now, without a massive culture shift, free college in the US would just mean a lot of people with 4 year degrees without jobs to go with it and no idea what to do with their lives (which is still better than the exact same things PLUS 120k worth of debt, mind you)


That already happens when they major in something like liberal arts.
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ClarkDuke
04/12/19 8:37:46 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Reposting cause apparently using that word is flaming.

he's uneducated, unemployed, and persecuted, ok?
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WastelandCowboy
04/12/19 9:15:17 PM
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ClarkDuke posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Reposting cause apparently using that word is flaming.

he's uneducated, unemployed, and persecuted, ok?

Also has a god complex.

Zeus posted...
I gotta catch up on this shit later, but figured I'd finally post the things I started the other day.

WastelandCowboy posted...
It's just always funny, how, when you're called-out on something, you have a history of not responding to it.

When I commented on free college, it just would have been, I dunno, a common courtesy to respond and admit fault that "oh shit, sorry. apparently you're not for free college. my bad." instead, you just project.


That's not "calling out on something." And when there's something worth noting, I note it. However, you're simultaneously arguing that you don't support a thing while making arguments for said thing so you should be able to understand why somebody could misconstrue you as supporting it.

WastelandCowboy posted...
I'm not "obsessed" with you, like you are with Mead. The two of you need to just fuck and move on.
You're clearly more obsessed with me than any feud with Mead on my side.
So you just cherrypick whatever you want to respond to as long as it fits your narrative.

So I cant see both sides and be bipartisan to the issue? The world isnt just black and white, old man.

Not in the least. You just think I do, because in your head, the world revolves around you.
ClarkDuke
04/13/19 11:06:01 PM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Reposting cause apparently using that word is flaming.

he's uneducated, unemployed, and persecuted, ok?

Also has a god complex.

he really does. he still brought up, "but Hilary was worse", last month, ok?

believing he has some moral high ground, because even though he voted for him, he never "liked" him, ok?
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Zeus
04/14/19 12:44:06 AM
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ShadosAtPhoenix posted...
Education and such opportunities should be free and available to all.


Why? It's not like teachers work for free. It's not like the makers of textbooks work for free or get their product for free.

ShadosAtPhoenix posted...
However, the US's fetishism over college is toxic. Being a plumber shouldn't be looked down upon. Tradeschool and associate degrees should be viable options. Not everyone needs to be a software engineer. You didn't fail at life because you decided an extra 4 years of school isn't for you.


And I absolutely agree, although unfortunately a bachelors has become the equivalent of a high school degree years ago -- it's seen as basically a given and, consequently, it doesn't confer the same value it once did.

GastroFan posted...
If you want a person to have a college degree before you hire them, then why shouldn't people be able to get that college degree for free? After all you have to pay a tax so that everyone can get a (supposedly free) high school diploma; so why would giving everyone a free college degree (if they want it) be any different?


Because why should they? Companies want employees to have reliable transportation, but that doesn't mean they should get free cars.

WastelandCowboy posted...
ClarkDuke posted...
WastelandCowboy posted...
Reposting cause apparently using that word is flaming.

he's uneducated, unemployed, and persecuted, ok?

Also has a god complex.


All of which is untrue (well, "persecuted" isn't too far of a stretch for all the harassment that the Zeus-Haters Club engages in), although it's more than fitting that you you choose to quote and associate with posters whose entire existences are fixated around me.
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Zeus
04/14/19 12:44:10 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
So you just cherrypick whatever you want to respond to as long as it fits your narrative.


Which is both ridiculous and hypocritical, but par for the course with you.

WastelandCowboy posted...
So I cant see both sides and be bipartisan to the issue?


I'm not entirely sure I've seen you be bipartisan on anything, unless you mean "left," "further left," and "socialist."

WastelandCowboy posted...
Not in the least. You just think I do, because in your head, the world revolves around you.


Perhaps not the world, but Clarkduke, his other alts, and your lives all seem to revolve around me -- which is understandable, given how little else you have going on.
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WastelandCowboy
04/14/19 12:53:50 AM
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Zeus posted...
All of which is untrue (well, "persecuted" isn't too far of a stretch for all the harassment that the Zeus-Haters Club engages in), although it's more than fitting that you you choose to quote and associate with posters whose entire existences are fixated around me.

Oh no, people don't like me. They must be the wrong ones and it's all just a conspiracy. So much collusion.

Zeus posted...
Which is both ridiculous and hypocritical, but par for the course with you.

Same goes for you, old man.

Zeus posted...
I'm not entirely sure I've seen you be bipartisan on anything, unless you mean "left," "further left," and "socialist."

Then you should start paying attention more instead of ogling yourself in the mirror.

Zeus posted...
Perhaps not the world, but Clarkduke, his other alts, and your lives all seem to revolve around me -- which is understandable, given how little else you have going on.

How typical of you to assume I/we have nothing else going on. Nice projection, though.
Zeus
04/14/19 1:39:03 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Oh no, people don't like me. They must be the wrong ones and it's all just a conspiracy. So much collusion.


I know that you're politically illiterate, but collusion requires some measure of secrecy.

WastelandCowboy posted...
Then you should start paying attention more instead of ogling yourself in the mirror.


I suppose witty comebacks are too much to expect from a man lacking wit.

WastelandCowboy posted...
How typical of you to assume I/we have nothing else going on. Nice projection, though.


Hardly need to assume given that your conduct apes his. If the both of you had anything else going on in your lives, you wouldn't have nearly as much time for mischief. As it is, nobody can reasonably hope to keep up with even half the shit you churn out on a daily basis.
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WastelandCowboy
04/14/19 1:54:39 AM
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Zeus posted...
I know that you're politically illiterate, but collusion requires some measure of secrecy.

Explain to me exactly, how I'm "politically illiterate".

Zeus posted...
I suppose witty comebacks are too much to expect from a man lacking wit.

And I suppose projections are all you're capable of, instead of admitting fault that you're wrongly-assuming and might not have seen everything a person has ever posted.

Zeus posted...
Hardly need to assume given that your conduct apes his. If the both of you had anything else going on in your lives, you wouldn't have nearly as much time for mischief. As it is, nobody can reasonably hope to keep up with even half the shit you churn out on a daily basis.

Appearances can be deceiving.

It's not mischief. It's just a different opinion. I can see why that may confuse you. You live your life inside an echo chamber, listening to everyone agreeing with you and the second someone else doesn't agree with you or share your sentiments, they're trolling and wrong.

I don't "churn out" shit. As I said, it's a different opinion.
FrndNhbrHdCEman
04/14/19 3:35:46 AM
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Zeus still can't debate without insults. Shocking. /s
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Revelation34
04/14/19 6:14:08 AM
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Zeus posted...
And I absolutely agree, although unfortunately a bachelors has become the equivalent of a high school degree years ago -- it's seen as basically a given and, consequently, it doesn't confer the same value it once did.


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Kyuubi4269
04/14/19 7:02:46 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
Zeus posted...
And I absolutely agree, although unfortunately a bachelors has become the equivalent of a high school degree years ago -- it's seen as basically a given and, consequently, it doesn't confer the same value it once did.


gUFKYXR

Agreed, high school degrees are basically just proof you can read, write and count now.
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gguirao
04/14/19 1:03:07 PM
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There's nothing wrong with schools making a profit, as long as they don't leave students with massive amounts of debt and irrelevant degrees that won't help them find jobs.
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mooreandrew58
04/15/19 12:11:34 PM
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gguirao posted...
There's nothing wrong with schools making a profit, as long as they don't leave students with massive amounts of debt and irrelevant degrees that won't help them find jobs.


thats why I wouldn't mind going the route of making useful (as in to the country/world, not you personally) degrees free, but others cost. let lawyers doctors teachers etc be free, but anything thats like for the entertainment industry cost.

I think I mentioned this already in this topic not positive my memory is shit today.
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Zeus
04/17/19 2:10:00 AM
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WastelandCowboy posted...
Explain to me exactly, how I'm "politically illiterate".


You may have countless free hours on your hand, but I don't. However, a good case-in-point is the fact that you apparently have no understanding as to the meaning of "collusion."

WastelandCowboy posted...
And I suppose projections are all you're capable of, instead of admitting fault that you're wrongly-assuming and might not have seen everything a person has ever posted.


"Projections, projections, projections!" Well, I suppose when all you're only equipped with a hammer, you're stuck responding to every problem as though it were a nail.

And if you have a single conservative opinion, you must be posting it solely elsewhere.

WastelandCowboy posted...
It's not mischief. It's just a different opinion. I can see why that may confuse you. You live your life inside an echo chamber, listening to everyone agreeing with you and the second someone else doesn't agree with you or share your sentiments, they're trolling and wrong.


Because creating an account to mock somebody for having a relative who had cancer, creating a bizarre narrative (including a fake name) around another poster that you spam on boards, and then creating more alts to bypass an ignore list is just "having other opinions"? That's one hell of a convoluted excuse for propping up and supporting CD. Ultimately all you've done is demonstrate that you don't even know what the fuck trolling is.

WastelandCowboy posted...
I don't "churn out" shit. As I said, it's a different opinion.


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ClarkDuke
04/17/19 2:18:24 AM
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Zeus posted...
You may have countless free hours on your hand, but I don't.

you could save precious time, your state deposits your unemployment checks automatically, you don't have to cash by hand, ok?

unless you don't have a checking account, ok?
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WastelandCowboy
04/17/19 2:26:26 AM
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Zeus posted...
You may have countless free hours on your hand, but I don't. However, a good case-in-point is the fact that you apparently have no understanding as to the meaning of "collusion."

Not answering the question, but just deflecting with a jab to me.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collusion

collusion noun
col lu sion | \ k-l-zhn \
Definition of collusion
: secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose
acting in collusion with the enemy


My job isn't that complicated and some days are slower than others. This allows me time to post on PotD during work hours as I usually post when I get home. You're unemployed, right? So you must have more time than I do.

Zeus posted...
"Projections, projections, projections!" Well, I suppose when all you're only equipped with a hammer, you're stuck responding to every problem as though it were a nail.

And if you have a single conservative opinion, you must be posting it solely elsewhere.

Still not admitting that you were wrong? And trying to deflect on me again, to steer the conversation away from being pointed at you.

I have many conservative opinions and have posted them on PotD many times. Either you didn't see them or are just choosing to ignore them.

Zeus posted...
Because creating an account to mock somebody for having a relative who had cancer, creating a bizarre narrative (including a fake name) around another poster that you spam on boards, and then creating more alts to bypass an ignore list is just "having other opinions"? That's one hell of a convoluted excuse for propping up and supporting CD. Ultimately all you've done is demonstrate that you don't even know what the fuck trolling is.

What are you talking about now? I'm not propping up and supporting "CD" whomever this is.

I know what trolling is. I spent a bit of my early 20's and teens trolling. Being a douchebag to people online, insulting them, lying about myself, etc. I'm not proud of it and I've admitted fault many times as I was an immature prat with a lot of growing up to do. This is how you grow as a person - admitting fault. Can you say the same?

Am I still "churning out shit" or am I making sense to you?
FrndNhbrHdCEman
04/17/19 3:15:07 PM
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Zeus calling someone else politically illiterate jfc.
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kukukupo
04/17/19 4:44:29 PM
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Some places already have free college.

I know the school district I'm in has a 5 year high school, you basically go for 3 years at the HS, then spend most of your final 2 at the local community college, and you graduate with an Associate's degree.

Programs like that should be free.

Programs for medical, laywers, etc? I'm not so sure those should be free, but they certainly don't have to cost what they do now.
FrndNhbrHdCEman
04/17/19 9:48:51 PM
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kukukupo posted...
Some places already have free college.

I know the school district I'm in has a 5 year high school, you basically go for 3 years at the HS, then spend most of your final 2 at the local community college, and you graduate with an Associate's degree.

Programs like that should be free.

Programs for medical, laywers, etc? I'm not so sure those should be free, but they certainly don't have to cost what they do now.

Where do ya live? Sounds nice tbh.
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Gunsandredroses
04/17/19 11:19:33 PM
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Yellow posted...
Moneymoney posted...
What this got to do about the subject?

Income inequity is at an all time high since the great depression, Millenials graduated into a recession, and it all could have been avoided if Millenials had any say in it.

Changing anything about the system is an uphill battle against people fundamentally attached to trickle down economics, stuck in the 70/80s, where hard work was an actual guarantee to success, and not an occasional $30k dead end field with occasional random bankruptcies due to lack of welfare found in every other modern society, people who insist we spend multitudes of any welfare program on overseas offensive wars on countries that didn't attack us.

Conflicts of interest aren't a concept they accept, they don't know the meaning of the word corruption.


Income inequality, yes, but the percentage of people earning a minimum of a living wage is also at an all-time high.

In regards to the actual issue at hand, though, we're currently living in a world where you need a college degree to be a salesman and there are people with PhD's working at Dunkin' Donuts. We have too many people going to school and earning degrees they will never be able to use for anything. We have too many graduates and not enough tradesman. If our current climate cannot support the number of people graduating nowadays by giving them an actual job to use that degree for, how can we support a society where almost everyone will have a useless degree?
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Revelation34
04/17/19 11:34:34 PM
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Gunsandredroses posted...
Income inequality, yes, but the percentage of people earning a minimum of a living wage is also at an all-time high.

In regards to the actual issue at hand, though, we're currently living in a world where you need a college degree to be a salesman and there are people with PhD's working at Dunkin' Donuts. We have too many people going to school and earning degrees they will never be able to use for anything. We have too many graduates and not enough tradesman. If our current climate cannot support the number of people graduating nowadays by giving them an actual job to use that degree for, how can we support a society where almost everyone will have a useless degree?


You can only blame those people for getting the useless degrees.
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