Board 8 > Shazam was fun. (No spoilers in OP)

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GenesisSaga
04/04/19 2:39:47 AM
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It wasn't afraid to go dark- like ridiculously dark, and yet it still managed to find that balance where the film as a whole came across as lighthearted. I give it a solid 9 out of 10. Between this and Aquaman I feel like DC is really starting to find its cinematic footing.
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MajinZidane
04/04/19 11:48:39 AM
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okay fine I'll watch it
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GenesisSaga
04/05/19 1:10:59 PM
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I don't know if I would call it a must-see film, especially not necessarily opening weekend but damned if it wasn't a hella fun ride. If you've got the time I'd definitely check it out.
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PrivateBiscuit1
04/05/19 1:14:27 PM
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I love Zachary Levi so I'm excited to see this regardless. I figured it would be really good.
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Punnyz
04/05/19 1:14:36 PM
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Aecioo
04/05/19 2:25:14 PM
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GenesisSaga posted...
I don't know if I would call it a must-see film, especially not necessarily opening weekend but damned if it wasn't a hella fun ride. If you've got the time I'd definitely check it out.


So if it's a 9/10, what constitutes a must see
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Safer_777
04/05/19 2:32:21 PM
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Obviously a 10/10.
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HeroDelTiempo17
04/07/19 12:45:14 PM
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People are sleeping on this for sure
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Wizardsfan1000
04/07/19 12:57:14 PM
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Best Captain Marvel movie in theater right now
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GenesisSaga
04/08/19 10:17:27 AM
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Oops I forgot to come back and engage in my own topic

Aecioo posted...
GenesisSaga posted...
I don't know if I would call it a must-see film, especially not necessarily opening weekend but damned if it wasn't a hella fun ride. If you've got the time I'd definitely check it out.


So if it's a 9/10, what constitutes a must see

Anything in the 9.5-10 range and MOST movies that rank 9.0-9.4. The reason I wouldn't say Shazam is a must see 2019 film is because I don't know if DC is truly going to integrate it into their cinematic universe canon yet. There's a good three references to other recent DC movies (four if you count the after credit scene), and the mid-credit scene seems to imply they want to expand on this universe in a sequel, but I wasn't sure if Shazam was going to hold up well enough with audiences to warrant it.

Looks like it's doing great though, so go see it if you're interested. I still don't know if I'd call it a must-see personally, but it's a very unique film in the superhero genre and quite fun despite tackling some very mature themes. Now that opening weekend is over I wouldn't mind talking spoilers with anyone that didn't take my advice ha.
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HeroDelTiempo17
04/08/19 10:53:17 AM
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Well the "DCEU" as something similar to the MCU is finished. They're going for something different now, seemingly focused on standalone stories that take place in the same world when it makes sense. It also seems like they're letting the directors have more leeway. They've announced a couple spin-offs to flesh out related aspects of the world (The Trench for Aquaman and Black Adam for Shazam), and they're doing crossovers when appropriate (Margot Robbie Harley Quinn in the upcoming Birds of Prey), but you can finally stop thinking about DC movies doing the knockoff MCU thing.

Personally, if it results in more Shazam, Wonder Woman, and (to a lesser extent) Aquaman quality movies I'm all for this.
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Maniac64
04/08/19 12:03:39 PM
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My wife and I saw it this weekend and really enjoyed it.

Nice to have a funny DC movie.
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Popcorn_Fairy
04/08/19 1:02:15 PM
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It's one of my favorite super hero movies I've seen. Like goddamn was it fucking good.
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Raka_Putra
04/08/19 1:29:48 PM
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It's the most enjoyable movie I've watched in a looong while, in term of pure fun.
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JackMan
04/08/19 1:58:42 PM
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I really liked the Big reference.
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Wanglicious
04/08/19 2:29:24 PM
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yeah, it was a really good movie. the serious parts hit hard, the jokes usually landed, and the idea of what a hero is was executed well.
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ZeldaTPLink
04/08/19 4:23:11 PM
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I'd say it's worth seeing because it's different from any super-hero film I've seen in this century.

Not that it's a super unique thing on its own, it reminds me of television-only films made for children. But it's that while also being a super-hero blockbuster with quality fight scenes that's part of a comics universe, so it feels fresh.

It feels like a light-hearted version of Deadpool, in the sense that it has zero intent of integrating with the main universe and just wants to see how silly it can be.

That said I did notice the writing was not super strong at points, and the villain is a bit generic. Billy Batson's acting is also weak, though adult Shazam is great.
Cybat
04/08/19 5:16:47 PM
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I enjoyed it, although I feel like all the funniest jokes were in the trailers. I was also a little underwhelmed by the action scenes overall, especially since they were the one thing that almost everyone liked in Man of Steel and BvS.

Awesome casting all around, though. Glad Mark Strong got a chance to be a real DC villain.
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scarletspeed7
04/08/19 5:19:14 PM
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Meagan Good KILLED it with the adult Darla character. And Adam Brody was brilliant CM3 casting.
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5tarscream
04/08/19 9:02:41 PM
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I liked it. Weirdly though I thought the action scene and build towards the end dragged. Maybe it was because it seemed a pretty big ontrast to mnost of the film but it felt longer than it was to me. A good film but not amazing. I think better than the Batman and JL films maybe on a level with Aquaman and a little below WW in my estimation.
Natwaf_akidna
04/14/19 11:58:03 PM
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Did they ever settle on a name?
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v_charon
04/15/19 12:09:23 AM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
and the villain is a bit generic.


I've seen a ton of people say this, but I really liked the villain. Granted he doesn't get enough screentime for his backstory but as far as his origin goes, I think the way they set it up with the intro scene in the film was great. Sivana is a really conflicted, tormented type of villain which I really tend to like. Plus his scene when he reveals the extent of his powers to his family is terrifyingly wicked and dark. I would have liked to see more of the villain, that's my only real gripe about him. I think as a concept though it's extremely gripping and relatable.
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Kinglicious
04/15/19 1:18:44 AM
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Most compelling part about the villain is that he's dressed like Greed from FMA.
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ScareChan
04/15/19 1:22:44 AM
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JackMan posted...
I really liked the Big reference.


man Im so dumb. I recognized this but didnt put it together the significance. Nice touch

Also I liked the twist and didnt expect it. I expected something to come of it but not how it was
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Raka_Putra
04/15/19 1:23:39 AM
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I'd like it better if each sin had more unique design/powers related to their...sin.
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ScareChan
04/15/19 1:23:51 AM
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scarletspeed7 posted...
Meagan Good KILLED it with the adult Darla character. And Adam Brody was brilliant CM3 casting.


I felt bad because I was like "Hey she is kinda hot.... wait she is like technically six nevermind"
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Kinglicious
04/15/19 1:24:51 AM
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https://boundingintocomics.com/files/2019/03/2019.03.24-03.59-boundingintocomics-5c970095d5d59.png

https://www.usajacket.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/Shazam-Dr-Thaddeus-Sivana-Leather-Coat.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/cc/36/96/cc3696e92ee5920fe4dd1742c8554279.jpg

It ain't exact but the entire time that's all I could think.
Especially when he wore the glasses.
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scarletspeed7
04/15/19 2:04:48 AM
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Raka_Putra posted...
I'd like it better if each sin had more unique design/powers related to their...sin.

Go check out JLA/JSA: Virtue and Vice for the most brilliant usage of the sins in comics. It's kind of what you're looking for.
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GenesisSaga
04/15/19 11:15:00 AM
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ZeldaTPLink posted...
That said I did notice the writing was not super strong at points, and the villain is a bit generic.

I can agree with the writing, but why do people keep calling Sivana generic? What other super villain do you know of whose origin story is defined by literally being a victim of toxic masculinity at a very impressionable young age? That alone, particularly in our current PC climate should be worth some brownie points. Plus his opening act as a newfound villain is to dissociate himself with his own family by defenestrating one and having the other presumably torn to ribbons by a demon he thought represented him best. That's pretty fucking rad! Go Thad! I mean... I didn't root for the villain over Shazam or anything, but damned if he didn't deserve to at least take some form of revenge over his "family" that essentially ruined his childhood and drove his adulthood obsession.
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Punnyz
04/15/19 11:24:52 AM
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I saw it yesterday

Its pretty damn good! Its just...different, I don't think I can compare it to others and say "Its better than X"

it was just good fun

I liked the, villain, I Can SEE people saying hes generic. "Blarg, Old bald guy with daddy issues"

but he had cool powers and he had a presence everytime he was on screen. I enjoyed watching him

Do you know who WAS generic?

The fucking gargoyle demon things. They were barely distinguishable from each other, hardly resembled the sin they were represented, they were just "rawr I'm scary, kids'

and thats it

I Did like how they deconstructed the whole "Chosen one" thing

there does run the risk of you not being worthy, but jesus wouldn't that fuck a kid up if that happens?
And come on, buddy. Theres nobody thats truly pure hearted. Of course that test ran on for decades. And yea, I found it that he created his own "Mass Hysteria" phenomenon and people were able to piece it together. It was kinda funny actually

and that he was like "Okay Billy ur kinda cool but I'm more desperate than you are worthy so fuck it"

also, I had NO idea the Marvel Family was gonna be in this movie. I figured they were setting it up for the next one, but it blew me away when they arrived at the end

Mary was a bit underused considering shes more prominent in the source material. And I don't understand them having to hire an "Adult" version for her super powered side when she was already an adult going into college

but meh, its fine. Its their money to waste

and yes, I smiled when the kid was like HADOUKEN



the movie was a good time, for reals
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redrocket
04/15/19 11:28:40 AM
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His family deserved some comeuppance for sure. They didnt deserve to be brutally murdered. The rest of the board certainly didnt deserve to be murdered. And thats not even getting into how he was casually willing to hold hostage/kill innocents to force Billys hand. I wouldnt call him generic, but he definitely was not sympathetic at all. He was a complete dick.
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hombad46
04/15/19 11:46:39 AM
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Natwaf_akidna posted...
Did they ever settle on a name?


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GenesisSaga
04/15/19 12:01:29 PM
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redrocket posted...
His family deserved some comeuppance for sure. They didnt deserve to be brutally murdered. The rest of the board certainly didnt deserve to be murdered.

Of course not. That's what makes him a villain and not a hero! See, that's why Sivana is a great antithesis to Billy Batson. Sivana commits just (and quite unjust) actions for completely selfish irrational reasons while Billy does... pretty much the same thing, but is a lot more lawful about it. Let's see:

Billy uses his street smarts to steal from cops, he uses his superpowers for personal gain, distances himself from his adoptive family in pursuit of his definition an ideal mother, abandons his family multiple times (when he runs away, when he leaves Freddy to own up to his lies, and when he knowingly leaves them when a super villain is on his trail to find his birth mom- WHICH EUGENE LOCATED FOR HIM IN THE FIRST PLACE), would've sold Freddy's superman bullet for cash he could use to skip town, was kind of a dick to Darla and his adoptive parents initially despite their every effort to include him, and the list friggin' goes on. So you see on a surface level they're very similar in that they both commit selfish acts because they think the world owes them something. The only thing that really distinguishes them is that one has a moral compass, while the other lost theirs long ago.

Had they been tested in reverse aka born in opposite generations their roles could well have been reversed. Thad was deemed unworthy of inheriting the wizard's power because he failed a test at a time when the wizard assumed he could afford to keep looking for the perfect successor, strong of will and "pure of heart". He then gives Billy Batson that same power because he "is all [the wizard] has", despite Billy himself admitting such a person probably doesn't even exist. The movie implies right there that Billy is likely no worthier than Thaddeus, but because the wizard is now desperate to name a successor because of the actions Sivana took, and because beggars can't be choosers, Billy had to be the chosen one.

redrocket posted...
And thats not even getting into how he was casually willing to hold hostage/kill innocents to force Billys hand. I wouldnt call him generic, but he definitely was not sympathetic at all. He was a complete dick.

Oh he's definitely not sympathetic in his old age. This doesn't change the fact that in his youth Thad was extremely sympathetic. The point shortly after he confronts his father and the board members is the exact point where you're supposed to lose all sympathy for him. There's the immediate gratification of him finally making his father and brother pay for making him what he is. Then there's the gradual realization that the means didn't justify the end at all because wait shit those other people didn't do anything but help his father accumulate a fortune and I'm kind of a monster if I keep rooting for him. The movie is brilliant in that regard.
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Cybat
04/15/19 12:47:20 PM
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Natwaf_akidna posted...
Did they ever settle on a name?


I think the closest we got to a resolution on this was when he invited the rest of the family to hold the staff to gain his powers, he said "Say my name." Yeah, this was mostly just setting up the "Billy" joke, and it wasn't established anywhere else that this had been chosen as his name, but, whatever I guess.
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ZeldaTPLink
04/15/19 3:15:04 PM
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GenesisSaga posted...
ZeldaTPLink posted...
That said I did notice the writing was not super strong at points, and the villain is a bit generic.

I can agree with the writing, but why do people keep calling Sivana generic? What other super villain do you know of whose origin story is defined by literally being a victim of toxic masculinity at a very impressionable young age? That alone, particularly in our current PC climate should be worth some brownie points. Plus his opening act as a newfound villain is to dissociate himself with his own family by defenestrating one and having the other presumably torn to ribbons by a demon he thought represented him best. That's pretty fucking rad! Go Thad! I mean... I didn't root for the villain over Shazam or anything, but damned if he didn't deserve to at least take some form of revenge over his "family" that essentially ruined his childhood and drove his adulthood obsession.


His origin is great.

Then he starts chasing Shazam and becomes really boring until the end of the film.
HeroDelTiempo17
04/15/19 3:55:41 PM
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I completely agree with GenesisSaga on this. Sivana is meant to be an unrepentantly evil dude to compare Shazam to, not a complex sympathetic villain. And he is great in that role, I'll certainly take him over the mid tier MCU villains for sure. My only complaint is that his dialogue often fell a little flat and maybe that contributes to his perceived lack of personality.

I particularly like the swerve of the movie leading you to believe his father died in the crash and he blames himself for it, followed by the board room scene. It's a clever and effective way to show what a total piece of shit he is.
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Lopen
04/15/19 5:39:57 PM
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5tarscream posted...
I liked it. Weirdly though I thought the action scene and build towards the end dragged.


Yeah this was my only problem with it as well. Great movie otherwise. Good humor and felt different from the standard superhero fare as of late
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Waluigi1
04/15/19 7:34:24 PM
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Yeah his motive after he dealt with his family was just kinda whatever.
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