Board 8 > Hearthstone Discussion Topic 493 - Rise of Shadows Is Upon Us

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MrSmartGuy
04/11/19 3:05:55 PM
#151:


Took a Give Your Opponents Shitty Minions Mage deck into Wild to fuck with Big Priests and now the 5 losses to not-priests before this have been validated and totally worth it.

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Camden
04/11/19 3:17:03 PM
#152:


Teching solely to fuck over one deck at the expense of losing to every other possible deck is my kind of deckbuilding.
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HanOfTheNekos
04/11/19 3:29:27 PM
#153:


I took the past two expansions off, so if anyone wants to give me priority on play a friend quests, I'd be grateful. Don't plan on dropping money on the game, just earning through play.
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Camden
04/11/19 3:36:53 PM
#154:


Even though you can't have more than seven minions outside of the game breaking, I'm kind of upset that Rafaam's Scheme stops counting at seven.
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UltimaterializerX
04/11/19 3:55:52 PM
#155:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I took the past two expansions off, so if anyone wants to give me priority on play a friend quests, I'd be grateful. Don't plan on dropping money on the game, just earning through play.

You got it. I rarely get that quest though. I think in my 5 years of playing Ive seen it 10 times total.
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ColZach
04/11/19 4:04:42 PM
#156:


Camden posted...
Even though you can't have more than seven minions outside of the game breaking, I'm kind of upset that Rafaam's Scheme stops counting at seven.


Gotta be wary of the knife juggler + animated bezerker scheme OTK
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Camden
04/11/19 4:12:58 PM
#157:


https://imgur.com/TJhRBo7

Rather expensive hand.
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HeroDelTiempo17
04/11/19 8:27:21 PM
#158:


Token Druid seems sick but theres a lot of different builds that are all cool. I've been playing a pretty normal midrange version that runs Stelladris and a small package of choose spells (Raptors, wrath, power). There's the heavy treant synergy build, a super aggro build with Magic carpet, and my friend got 12-2 in Brawl with a build that has a light treant package (basically just enough to make Mulchmuncher good). I've also seen versions that run the healing package for the stag and dormant legendary. So many moving parts and I dont know what I want to take into brawliseum yet.

There are some heavy aoe matchups like Shaman and Mage that are a real pain, though.
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MrSmartGuy
04/11/19 8:39:13 PM
#159:


I've had some pretty good luck with Control Warrior. Ran up against a Token Druid and the poor guy had no chance. Turn 2 Weapons Project, turn 3 Shield Block, kill another minion with weapon, turn 4 Warpath x2 for full board clear, turn 5 Dyn-o-matic full clear, turn 6 Dragonmaw Scorcher full clear, turn 7 Crowd Roaster full clear, Turn 8 Supercollider full clear, Turn 9 he was dead.
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KokoroAkechi
04/11/19 9:14:06 PM
#160:


My game stopped responding and then when I tried to log back in it said the wait was astronomically long.

Servers be fucked.
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Wedge Antilles
04/12/19 1:39:48 AM
#161:


Win an amazing come from behind victory in arena.

"A recent opponent would like to be your friend"

Nope.
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metroid composite
04/12/19 8:31:03 AM
#162:


Adding to the list of cards that are like rare and which I have yet to pull a single copy: Underbelly Fence. Exotic Mountseller. Have 5 copies of some rares though.

Also a common I somehow haven't pulled 2 of somehow: EVIL Cable rat.
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azuarc
04/12/19 10:12:03 AM
#163:


Camden posted...
Teching solely to fuck over one deck at the expense of losing to every other possible deck is my kind of deckbuilding.

When it's big priest on the wild ladder, anything to check it is completely worth it. Such an obnoxious deck.
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Camden
04/12/19 3:54:02 PM
#164:


metroid composite posted...
Wow, I want to make a shaman deck, of various varieties, but pack RNG really hasn't given me shaman cards.

I don't mean just legendaries either. Zero Sludge Slurpers. Zero Hagatha's Scheme. Zero Muckmorphers. And, from last set, Zero Haunting Visions.

(Two underbelly Anglers, all the commons, and I do have 2x Big Bad Archmage if Muckmorpher into BBA turns out to be good).


The one thing I can always count on, every single expansion, is to open Shaman cards. Do I want to play Shaman? Great, the game gives me most of what I need to do so. Is something like Freeze Shaman being printed? Shit, I'm going to open the entire decklist in my first 20 packs. I don't think there's been an expansion where I didn't open a Shaman legendary, opened Scargil this time around.

Here's the cards I've got for each class this expansion.

Druid: 7/18
Hunter: 9/18
Mage: 13/18
Paladin: 11/18
Priest: 9/18
Rogue: 13/18
Shaman: 17/18
Warlock: 11/18
Warrior: 7/18
Neutral: 67/85
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VeryInsane
04/12/19 5:31:35 PM
#165:


Man in a meta without spreading plague I forgot how stupid Whispering Woods is
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azuarc
04/12/19 11:00:06 PM
#166:


Magic Trick (1 mana) -> gift Backstab (0) -> Vendetta (0) -> cost-reduced Ooze (0) -> Shadowstep (0) -> Ethereal Lackey (0) -> Shiv (2) -> 16/16 Van Cleef (3)

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UltimaterializerX
04/12/19 11:30:38 PM
#167:


VeryInsane posted...
Man in a meta without spreading plague I forgot how stupid Whispering Woods is

Not even close to the biggest problem in that deck. My biggest prediction this set was token druid being busted because of that twinspell bullshit. I wish I had saved my entry on reddit for the contest.

If you get that neutral copy spell guy out you just auto win.
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KokoroAkechi
04/13/19 12:56:38 AM
#168:


I hit legend with murlocs. I tried a lot of builds but here's the one I finished with.

### Overload Murlocs
# Class: Shaman
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Dragon
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# 2x (0) Zap!
# 2x (1) Lightning Bolt
# 2x (1) Murloc Tidecaller
# 2x (1) Sludge Slurper
# 2x (1) Toxfin
# 1x (2) Ghost Light Angler
# 2x (2) Likkim
# 2x (2) Murloc Tidehunter
# 1x (2) Soul of the Murloc
# 2x (2) Underbelly Angler
# 2x (3) Coldlight Seer
# 2x (3) Lightning Storm
# 2x (3) Murloc Warleader
# 2x (4) Murloc Tastyfin
# 2x (4) Thunderhead
# 1x (5) Bloodlust
# 1x (8) Hagatha the Witch
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SaintAkira7
04/13/19 1:13:53 AM
#169:


KokoroAkechi posted...
hit legend with murlocs. I tried a lot of builds but here's the one I finished with.


Glad to see you got legend with Murlocs. Sad to see Scargill didn't make the cut, but glad again that you got Tastyfin in there.
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KokoroAkechi
04/13/19 12:09:12 PM
#170:


I am platinum mad.

I was in arena and i had a decent (but not insane) warlock deck. First game I lose to a priest who had 2 cards in hand and one of them is mind control. I actually could have won still but was 1 mana off of a board clear on another key turn.

second game I lost to a paladin with just insane cards.

third game I beat a hunter (I went first).

While I was queueing for my fourth game I get a "you disconnected from the server message" and my game reloads and I check and nothing happens. So I'm able to re-queue and find a match. It's against a Shaman who has an insane deck. Like multiple 4 mana 7/7s, fire elemental, that new rager (which he used on the 7/7, etc. Just like a very powerful deck. I was like "HOW DID HE LOSE 2 GAMES ALREADY?" and then he hit a 2/2 with a 7/7 instead of going face and it was like "Oh he's just bad." In any case I won the game (some of it due to good luck) but the quality of his deck was so high.

After I win I am taken to the results screen where my run just ends. I go to check to see what happened and a few minutes later when I log back in to play a couple of ranked games i get a notice "You lost your recent arena run to a disconnect". What game? You mean that time where the server disconnected me and then found me a completely new game? That nonexisting game I never got into? Blizzard use some of that fucking money you saved by firing over 9000 employees on better servers.
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HanOfTheNekos
04/13/19 12:49:44 PM
#171:


I'm of course running Tess Rogue because why not, but I'm looking to flesh out my deck options. I prefer fun, less popular decks. Haven't spent like anything on Rastakhan or Shadows packs, and just a bit on boom. Have a good amount of Witchwood.

Suggest me some decks.
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metroid composite
04/13/19 4:18:08 PM
#172:


HanOfTheNekos posted...
I'm of course running Tess Rogue because why not, but I'm looking to flesh out my deck options. I prefer fun, less popular decks. Haven't spent like anything on Rastakhan or Shadows packs, and just a bit on boom. Have a good amount of Witchwood.

Suggest me some decks.

I mean, Tess Rogue got a bunch of support in Rise of Shadows.

Hench-Clan Burglar: 4 mana 4/3 discover a spell from another class.
This guarantees you something off-class.even if you face a Rogue. (It's also a pirate so you can search for it with Raiding Party).

Vendetta: deal 4 damage to a minion (costs 0 if you're holding a card from another class)

Underbelly Fence: 2 mana 2/3 gains +1/+1 and rush if you're holding a card from another class.

Waggle Pick: 4 mana 4/2 weapon, deathrattle return a minion to your hand, it costs 2 less. (basically a Truesliver for rogue with an attached shadowstep instead of attached healing).

For other archetypes that are like Thief Rogue...there's the generate lots of mage spells decks. You run Mana Cyclone, which is "for each spell you cast this turn, add a random mage spell to your hand". And then set up a massive turn where you cast a ton of spells, and play it. It's an elemental, so you can play the "innervate for elementals spell."
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GANON1025
04/13/19 4:20:08 PM
#173:


I'm glad Silence Priest is back and its good, and now I finally have a reason to use my Golden Bwonsamdi.
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Camden
04/13/19 6:24:22 PM
#174:


I sat on this card for quite a while.

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ColZach
04/13/19 7:53:17 PM
#175:


Seriously, fuck bomb warrior. Good luck winning a control matchup if you dont also have a broken hero card.
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UltimaterializerX
04/13/19 7:57:20 PM
#176:


ColZach posted...
Seriously, fuck bomb warrior. Good luck winning a control matchup if you dont also have a broken hero card.

Control Shaman. I'm telling you bro, it shits all over that deck. The issue is the meta being so quick everywhere else that overload costs slow you down against the hyper-fast stuff.
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HanOfTheNekos
04/13/19 9:08:21 PM
#177:


Actually had a game where my Tess play was 100% necessary for me to win.

Was going against a Heal Druid and had to keep getting through the walls of Lucentbark. A mass hysteria off a Burglar earned me some much needed stall, but my Tess play resulted in that, card draw, heal, a bunch of tokens on board, AND I drew into a Savage Roar.

Hit him for 29 damage. And his wall of taunts was down.
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ColZach
04/13/19 9:11:59 PM
#178:


UltimaterializerX posted...
ColZach posted...
Seriously, fuck bomb warrior. Good luck winning a control matchup if you dont also have a broken hero card.

Control Shaman. I'm telling you bro, it shits all over that deck. The issue is the meta being so quick everywhere else that overload costs slow you down against the hyper-fast stuff.


I believe it, but it still doesnt change that if you want to play control, you have to have a hero card.
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UltimaterializerX
04/13/19 9:14:07 PM
#179:


I completely misread your post. Yeah if you don't have Hagatha it's rough. I wish this game offered trading or something, I'd just give you my non-gold one. It's doable without her though, you really just win on attrition.

Fell out of the meta really quick with Zoo and Token Druid coming back though, good hell. I've had to outright play Token Druid. The deck is nuts.
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LiquidOshawott
04/13/19 9:38:41 PM
#180:


ColZach posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
ColZach posted...
Seriously, fuck bomb warrior. Good luck winning a control matchup if you dont also have a broken hero card.

Control Shaman. I'm telling you bro, it shits all over that deck. The issue is the meta being so quick everywhere else that overload costs slow you down against the hyper-fast stuff.


I believe it, but it still doesnt change that if you want to play control, you have to have a hero card.


I feel like Mage can make stuff work but the current Khadgar version with dragon synergy feels more midrange
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KokoroAkechi
04/14/19 5:46:07 AM
#181:


the thing is. I believe the control warrior (without bombs. the one running hecklebot and stuff). Is much better against aggro than dragon mage or control shaman. Like im 11-0 against mage with my current murloc list (which did change the 2 storms for a voltaic burst and a hex). Like I know 11 games is a small sample but I've won games where I didnt even play anything until turn 3. And control shaman really relies on that scheme most of the time. But control warrior has enough armor gain and such with things like weapons project being able to bridge into a warpath/brawl/hecklebot etc.
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KokoroAkechi
04/14/19 12:56:56 PM
#182:


I've been testing a new build. Really puts the hurt on druid but still has issues with warrior (the control lists). Elysiana is there for warriors as runs without her have often gone to fatigue where I feel like I could have won if I had 10 more cards too. I might swap a seer for another gate keeper. Nightmare amalgam being a mech AND a murloc is like why the deck even exists.

### mechlocs
# Class: Shaman
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Dragon
#
# 2x (1) Mecharoo
# 2x (1) Murloc Tidecaller
# 2x (1) Sludge Slurper
# 2x (1) Toxfin
# 1x (2) Ghost Light Angler
# 2x (2) Murloc Tidehunter
# 1x (2) Soul of the Murloc
# 2x (2) Underbelly Angler
# 1x (3) Bronze Gatekeeper
# 2x (3) Coldlight Seer
# 2x (3) Murloc Warleader
# 2x (3) Nightmare Amalgam
# 2x (4) Replicating Menace
# 1x (5) Bloodlust
# 1x (5) Wargear
# 1x (5) Zilliax
# 1x (8) Archivist Elysiana
# 1x (8) Hagatha the Witch
# 2x (8) Sea Giant
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UltimaterializerX
04/14/19 1:29:21 PM
#183:


I think Shudderwock in place of the Wargear could work in there if Warrior is your problem.
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LiquidOshawott
04/14/19 3:29:13 PM
#184:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I think Shudderwock in place of the Wargear could work in there if Warrior is your problem.


I thought the whole purpose of the Mech package is to make Dynomatic near useless
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UltimaterializerX
04/14/19 3:41:11 PM
#185:


Control Warrior without bombs wins on attrition. If he can only play Elysiana once and you play it twice, you win.
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KokoroAkechi
04/14/19 3:43:03 PM
#186:


LiquidOshawott posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
I think Shudderwock in place of the Wargear could work in there if Warrior is your problem.


I thought the whole purpose of the Mech package is to make Dynomatic near useless


That's part of it yeah. another is to be able to use zillax more effectively for othermatchups. But Wargear was like the 30th card and some changes were already made. I need to run a silence and I cut the sea giants because I think they are only good against druid (and zoo but thats not common enough), for a silence, another 1/5 taunt guy, and something else I can't remember. The silence basically exclusively for edwin.
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KokoroAkechi
04/14/19 3:47:40 PM
#187:


Oh, while testing the deck in brawl (like not the best testing ground but I didn't want to jam it on ladder right away) I was against a paladin at like 5 wins or so. So at this point the other guy should know what he's doing.

I had a really good start but he had more value than I was counting on after he played Liam and got some really good legendaries but I managed to get him to 1 HP and had lethal set up. He has no cards in hand, but a decent top deck would allow him to try to stave off lethal.

He top decks "A new challenger" and looks at his taunt options. HE CHOOSES MISSILE LAUNCHER. Let me remind you he's at one HP. Like and after he played it he even played out the entire turn like he was going to not die. Didn't even rope all the way or anything, like I legitimately think he thought it was a good play.
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UltimaterializerX
04/14/19 3:54:09 PM
#188:


KokoroAkechi posted...
Oh, while testing the deck in brawl (like not the best testing ground but I didn't want to jam it on ladder right away) I was against a paladin at like 5 wins or so. So at this point the other guy should know what he's doing.

I had a really good start but he had more value than I was counting on after he played Liam and got some really good legendaries but I managed to get him to 1 HP and had lethal set up. He has no cards in hand, but a decent top deck would allow him to try to stave off lethal.

He top decks "A new challenger" and looks at his taunt options. HE CHOOSES MISSILE LAUNCHER. Let me remind you he's at one HP. Like and after he played it he even played out the entire turn like he was going to not die. Didn't even rope all the way or anything, like I legitimately think he thought it was a good play.

Have you considered he was just conceding with style?
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KokoroAkechi
04/14/19 3:59:20 PM
#189:


He didn't even emote
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metroid composite
04/14/19 5:22:02 PM
#190:


OK, now that I'm not forgetting key cards like giants, I went 9-3, 5-3, 9-3, 12-2 in Tavern Brawl. Good brawl for farming gold/packs.
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azuarc
04/14/19 6:09:12 PM
#191:


I went 7-3 on my free run with rogue.
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metroid composite
04/15/19 2:59:53 AM
#192:


Just hit my next legendary (scargill), pity timer reset, and now I need to decide if I'm opening more.

Probably I think? Still missing a lot of rares, and relevant ones at that.

1x Sunreaver Warmage
1x Hecklebot
1x Plot Twist
1x Sludge Slurper
0x Hagatha's Scheme
0x Underbelly Fence
1x Convincing Infiltrator
1x Mysterious Blade
1x Magic Trick

Time to open packs until another legendary, I think.
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UltimaterializerX
04/15/19 3:16:26 AM
#193:


metroid composite posted...
Just hit my next legendary (scargill), pity timer reset, and now I need to decide if I'm opening more.

Probably I think? Still missing a lot of rares, and relevant ones at that.

1x Sunreaver Warmage
1x Hecklebot
1x Plot Twist
1x Sludge Slurper
0x Hagatha's Scheme
0x Underbelly Fence
1x Convincing Infiltrator
1x Mysterious Blade
1x Magic Trick

Time to open packs until another legendary, I think.

This game needs a trade function. I would just hand you all of that.
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metroid composite
04/15/19 11:02:40 AM
#194:


UltimaterializerX posted...
This game needs a trade function. I would just hand you all of that.

That would be cool :)

Anyhow...so remember how last year I made a dragon hunter with Emeriss and a secret package to stay alive until I could start dropping dragons? Remember also how last year I made a Kangor's Endless Army Odd Paladin, which used Odd Paladin stuff to contest the board earlygame and stay alive until I could drop Mechano-Eggs?

So...apparently right now there's a deck called Mech paladin which is a Kangor's Endless Army deck that uses Secret Paladin stuff to stay alive in the earlygame, and then drops 4-6 mana mechs. I feel like the Hearthstone deckbuilding community just looked at my deckbuilding style and said "this but unironically".

Anyway, finally opened my second Mysterious Blade, so obviously I needed to try it. Missing quite a few cards. Crafted a second Bellringer Sentry. And...deck was not really functioning (lacked card draw). OK fine, crafted Prismatic Lens. Now the deck works! Nice. (Did not craft: Hidden Wisdom, Commander Rhyssa, Tirion. I can see why each of these would be solid, but the deck synergy functions without them, they're just high value plays. Replaced with 2x Truesilver and 1x Desperate Measures. Truesilver isn't great since this deck already has like 10 four drops and a couple weapons...yeah, ok, going to test cutting a truesilver for Aldor Peacekeeper).
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davidponte
04/15/19 3:36:26 PM
#195:


I've been having the most fun with Mech Hunter so far after trying most of what are perceived to be the 'good' decks early on.
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UltimaterializerX
04/16/19 1:19:09 AM
#196:


I havent hit rank 5 this fast without odd paladin in awhile. Started at 9.

Token Druid with Doomsayers for the mirror and for aggro is no joke. Shits on Rogue. Shits on Carpetlock. Shits on Murlocs. Warrior and Shaman run out of removal.

My worst matchup by far is Buffadin and Deathrattle Hunter. Everything else just loses unless I draw a bad mix of tokens and buffs. Its nice having Token Druid back. I missed it.

As for why I put Doomsayers in, this explains it: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/bd4kmk/building_and_optimising_token_druid_a_case_for/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app

It shores up the decks one big weakness.
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metroid composite
04/16/19 11:06:49 AM
#197:


Yeah, I definitely think some of the adaptations made to token druid in that topic are quite good. Not just the doomsayer. Like...running more minions such as Microtech controller, and not runnung mark of the loa cause it sucks. Keeping Swipe over wrath cause this is a meta with lots of 1/1s. Not running Crystalsong Portal cause it doesn't really fit the deck.

I do disagree with the guy on competitiveHS about one point which is that dendrologist has been pretty good for me. Discovers a spell way more often than I thought it would, like almost every time I've played it, and druid spells are highly likely to be good for you. (He's not wrong about eccentric scribe in this deck though--in addition to being kinda slow, often my opponent can kill it on a full board giving me only one scroll.

At some point, if this becomes the standard list, then Keeper Stalladris will need to be cut, since it literally only interacts with the two Power of the Wilds and nothing else in the deck. For now it's probably fine, just because people will freak out killing it thinking it is a must kill and not a river crocolisk 80% of the time.
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UltimaterializerX
04/16/19 11:16:55 AM
#198:


Dendrologist is trash. Doesn't give me good spells and relies too much on other cards. Stalladris is absurd with Power of the Wild. It gives the deck a third 6 mana +2/2 all minions combo.
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metroid composite
04/16/19 11:51:07 AM
#199:


I mean, last time I used Dendrologist I got three removal cards (claw, bite, and Savagery). Took Savagery, used Savage Roar, and dealt three damage for 1 mana clearing a 4/3. I suppose you'd call these discover options "trash cards" but it let me win a token druid mirror. (Sure, I would have liked to discover a second Savage Roar and win on the spot, but whatever; still won).

Obviously Stalladris is great with Power of the Wild, but that's literally two cards in your deck, also PotW is a 2 drops so you're probably not holding it for very long.

Usually getting some value off of "trash discovers" to me is preferable to occasionally getting big value; less RNG cause you usually get something instead of usually getting nothing.

Maybe I'm wrong though; maybe if you get PotW and Stalladris together your winrate jumps to 90%, making it still better for your overall winrate?

(I'm not planning on cutting Stalladris for a while though; as long as most token lists run a bunch of choose 1 effects, Stalladris has like...super taunt and they'll blow their whole hand trying to kill it).
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LiquidOshawott
04/16/19 3:23:48 PM
#200:


Im way too good at getting Acornbearer on one so Ive barely even really tweaked the early game at all
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