Poll of the Day > I'm watching Game of Thrones so I can join the finale hype *series spoilers*

(+) Yeah! (+)

Reasons why this was the most disappointing episode ever:

1. Longest episode so far with the longest battle scene ever. Basically it was supposed to be epic and it wasnt.

2. Couldnt see what was going on for a little more than half the episode. Very poor quality.

3. I like Lyanna Mormont as much as the next person, but her killing a giant is just silly.

4. The writers had no balls in terms of killing important characters. These writers shocked the world with Ned and then later Robb/Cat. Where are those writers? Cowards.

5. Beric survived for 8 years and was revived like 11 times just to save the girl who will kill the Night King? Seems like an underwhelming purpose for the Brothers Without Banners.

6. Plot armor for Jon, Dany, Brienne, Jamie, Sam, and a few others was just absurd.

7. Weve been hearing Winter is Coming for 8 years. Winter came and left in 80 minutes. No second part to the battle or anything. A little girl stabs NK and poof...done. Quite anti-climatic. They did very little damage that the viewers give a shit about.

8. Im literally not sure if another of Danys dragons is dead due to poor quality.

9. Im not sure I even understand what NKs end game was. Kill a cripple boy?

10. Literally Cersei and her obnoxious new lover Euron are the final bosses of the show.

If that episode was the most disappointing for you then I cant even imagine how disappointing most of life must feel to you. I was hyped to all hell so it would have been really easy for me to be disappointed but it kept me on the edge of my seat the entire time.
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Mead posted...

If that episode was the most disappointing for you then I cant even imagine how disappointing most of life must feel to you. I was hyped to all hell so it would have been really easy for me to be disappointed but it kept me on the edge of my seat the entire time.

I liked all of season 7 which everyone hated. I liked 8.1 which was hated. Im not one to complain and be snobby. But that truly was a letdown and I think Ill be holding the popular opinion on that honestly.

User728 posted...

Mead posted...

If that episode was the most disappointing for you then I cant even imagine how disappointing most of life must feel to you. I was hyped to all hell so it would have been really easy for me to be disappointed but it kept me on the edge of my seat the entire time.

I liked all of season 7 which everyone hated. I liked 8.1 which was hated. Im not one to complain and be snobby. But that truly was a letdown and I think Ill be holding the popular opinion on that honestly.

I disagree on 5, that is one of the most important things to happen in all of Westeros. That is definitely worth coming back for.
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Reason 11: Totally and pointlessly wasted the Dothraki

User728 posted...

Mead posted...

If that episode was the most disappointing for you then I cant even imagine how disappointing most of life must feel to you. I was hyped to all hell so it would have been really easy for me to be disappointed but it kept me on the edge of my seat the entire time.

I liked all of season 7 which everyone hated. I liked 8.1 which was hated. Im not one to complain and be snobby. But that truly was a letdown and I think Ill be holding the popular opinion on that honestly.

Maybe, Im baffled by it though
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User728 posted...

Reason 11: Totally and pointlessly wasted the Dothraki

They were utilized extremely well for the narrative of the episode
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Mead posted...

If that episode was the most disappointing for you then I cant even imagine how disappointing most of life must feel to you. I was hyped to all hell so it would have been really easy for me to be disappointed but it kept me on the edge of my seat the entire time.

In terms of thinking all is lost and then having that moment, that was definitely great to watch.

But it just feels underwhelming overall and a lame end to a major plot point over the past few seasons.
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Mead posted...

User728 posted...

Reason 11: Totally and pointlessly wasted the Dothraki

They were utilized extremely well for the narrative of the episode

Suiciding into blackness with plain metal weapons? They didnt know Melisandre would give them fire. Awful battle plan.

User728 posted...

Mead posted...

User728 posted...

Reason 11: Totally and pointlessly wasted the Dothraki

They were utilized extremely well for the narrative of the episode

Suiciding into blackness with plain metal weapons? They didnt know Melisandre would give them fire. Awful battle plan.

I mean, the Dothraki aren't known for being master tacticians, just being ruthless in battle.
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papercup posted...

User728 posted...

Mead posted...

User728 posted...

Reason 11: Totally and pointlessly wasted the Dothraki

They were utilized extremely well for the narrative of the episode

Suiciding into blackness with plain metal weapons? They didnt know Melisandre would give them fire. Awful battle plan.

I mean, the Dothraki aren't known for being master tacticians, just being ruthless in battle.

They were following Jons battle plan.

Loved the music towards the end.
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Few things were corny like Lyanna and Theon running towards them and screaming, a little dark, but I liked it.

Arya doing her thing was better than Jon instead too.
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User728 posted...

Mead posted...

User728 posted...

Reason 11: Totally and pointlessly wasted the Dothraki

They were utilized extremely well for the narrative of the episode

Suiciding into blackness with plain metal weapons? They didnt know Melisandre would give them fire. Awful battle plan.

Probably why it didnt work
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User728 posted...

The writers had no balls in terms of killing important characters. These writers shocked the world with Ned and then later Robb/Cat. Where are those writers? Cowards.

"Those writers" don't exist. George RR Martin is the one who killed those characters, in the books. And they left his plot behind like three seasons ago.

The show you've been watching for the last few years is an entirely different beast from the show you were watching for the first five seasons or so.



User728 posted...

Weve been hearing Winter is Coming for 8 years. Winter came and left in 80 minutes. No second part to the battle or anything. A little girl stabs NK and poof...done. Quite anti-climatic. They did very little damage that the viewers give a shit about.

The only real downside is that, if it's THAT easy to kill him/end winter forever, why was literally no one able to ever accomplish it before, across hundreds of years, when most of the time in the past the people opposed to him were stronger, better organized, usually had better intel, and weren't rent by civil war?


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about 10min wasted on "next on game of thrones"
the episode duration list was lies.

fat bastard gets his friend killed then runs away
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ParanoidObsessive posted...

The only real downside is that, if it's THAT easy to kill him/end winter forever, why was literally no one able to ever accomplish it before, across hundreds of years, when most of the time in the past the people opposed to him were stronger, better organized, usually had better intel, and weren't rent by civil war?

From my understanding it wasn't so much the no-one was able to, in so much that no-one tried to, once he was beyond the wall. If remember correctly there were also thousands of years between his attacks, I could be wrong though.
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Kinda expected the Stark and Targaryen forces to be decimated after all this. Not sure how they still have the resources and manpower to take on Cersei. Even with dragon(s) on their side they're still against the Golden Company and laying siege to a city/fortress.

ParanoidObsessive posted...

end winter forever

I can't help but feel the Westeros is still screwed. I can't recall if the Others follow in the wake of winter or if winter precedes them. If it is the latter, that means Westeros will still be hit with their traditionally long winter.
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lorekai posted...

ParanoidObsessive posted...

The only real downside is that, if it's THAT easy to kill him/end winter forever, why was literally no one able to ever accomplish it before, across hundreds of years, when most of the time in the past the people opposed to him were stronger, better organized, usually had better intel, and weren't rent by civil war?

From my understanding it wasn't so much the no-one was able to, in so much that no-one tried to, once he was beyond the wall. If remember correctly there were also thousands of years between his attacks, I could be wrong though.

If the lore is to be believe they did defeat him before, but that he comes back somehow just like Azor Ahai

Also its not like thousands of years later anyone believes in them anymore and the ones that do dont exactly have a gps locater on him

I swear some folks cant suspend disbelief even the slightest amount and just chill tf out and watch a show
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That was so bad.

So it was the necklace keeping her alive? Also the Night King's death was funny just because all he did was explode into ice.
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That was a good episode... it had a lot of great moments and the music was perfect (especially the piano scene)... but overall disappointing.

How the fuck did everyone survive? Grey Worm was at the frontlines. Sam is literally useless. Jaime has one hand. Brienne was boring torn apart. The only people lost were Theonabd Jorah - who were both easily expected to die - and C-listers like Edd and Lady Mormont who arent important to the plot. This was a huge letdown.

Why was the battle so dark for like 30 minutes?

Cersei and Euron are the final bosses? Really???

This episode was so so good. Like Arya killing the NK was rad af. And Jorah and Dany handling the dead on their own was good. The Red Womans scenes were lit.
But it ended up being way too predictable and... uneventful?

MrMelodramatic posted...

Sam is literally useless.

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Also the dothraki thing was dumb but not for the reasons that other person said. They're all powerful and brutal warriors and all died in 30 seconds.
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Glad to see Ghost got another 10 seconds of screen-time and is then gone again. The Dire-wolves are such a waste they should have cut them completely out way back in the beginning of the show honestly.

I agree with alot of the points here saying this was a lame episode, i wasn't surprised by any deaths and for a show known for that it's pretty dumb.

MrMelodramatic posted...

Sam is literally useless.

I legit want him to die, he's such a fat fuck.

Mead posted...

MrMelodramatic posted...

Sam is literally useless.

"like"
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episode was fine, but i do feel like it had way too much missed potential for me to not be at least a little let down

Disappointing.

It was too dark. The shaky cam was awful. The NK's ending was weak (I love ayra's story, but come on). The little girl killing a giant was an eye-roll moment. For all of the 'main characters' they had on the battlements, not very many of them seem to have suffered much at all.

The writing has definitely gone down hill since they ran out of source material.

I thought this was the best episode to date. However my only grips was how easy it was for the night king and the elders to be killed. Unless the night king isn't dead. Seems like he is though.
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wwinterj25 posted...

I thought this was the best episode to date. However my only grips was how easy it was for the night king and the elders to be killed. Unless the night king isn't dead. Seems like he is though.

He got overconfident.
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It was honestly really fucking bad.

Arya can somehow leap and sneak and the same time thru thousands or enemies.

Little girl killing a giant was fucking weak.

Sam being alive is just fucking stupid.

Honestly, idk if I am biased or something since they are not using any source material, but it just feels like another random TV Show. Before, it had it's moments in which it felt different from the usual (main characters dying out of nowhere, characters that seemed to learn and evolve, etc) but now it's just "plot armor" and the Stark are super heroes and the world revolves around them.

I mean, yeah, I can just shut "my brain and suspend belief" for a moment, but guess what. The same can be said about any show.

Mead posted...

I swear some folks cant suspend disbelief even the slightest amount and just chill tf out and watch a show

Same can be said about any show to make it sound "good"

I swear how people didn't like Jersey Shore. All you needed to really get that show is to suspend disbelief even the slightest amount and just chill tf out and watch a show

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Oh, and the best part is the people thinking they are deep and woke because they like the episode and the understand all the little warnings and "world building" they did since the beginning. Since you know, they had this ending planned the whole time. Even while working with source material and waiting on new source material to come out. This ending was planned even before the casting. Gosh I wish I was that smart.
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Viking_Mudcrap posted...

Little girl killing a giant was fucking weak.

I don't think it was that big a deal. she wouldn't have been able to kill it normally. only reason she did was cause she got in a death situation and was able to trade her life for a killing blow. you act like she straight up defeated it in standard combat. it brought her up to it's eye and she took the shot and then died. what is the big fucking deal?

Zikten posted...

Viking_Mudcrap posted...

Little girl killing a giant was fucking weak.

I don't think it was that big a deal. she wouldn't have been able to kill it normally. only reason she did was cause she got in a death situation and was able to trade her life for a killing blow. you act like she straight up defeated it in standard combat. it brought her up to it's eye and she took the shot and then died. what is the big fucking deal?

So, why did the Giant zombie decide to eat her?
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Cruddy_horse posted...

Glad to see Ghost got another 10 seconds of screen-time and is then gone again. The Dire-wolves are such a waste they should have cut them completely out way back in the beginning of the show honestly.

I agree with alot of the points here saying this was a lame episode, i wasn't surprised by any deaths and for a show known for that it's pretty dumb.

MrMelodramatic posted...

Sam is literally useless.

I legit want him to die, he's such a fat fuck.

Yeah the wolves play a bigger role in the books for sure. There's a giant pack of wolves in the books lead by Nymeria(Arya's wolf) that's probably going to storm The Twins and eat all the Freys. After all, you don't hang 10,000 wolves on the wall if you don't intend to use them.
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papercup posted...

Cruddy_horse posted...

Glad to see Ghost got another 10 seconds of screen-time and is then gone again. The Dire-wolves are such a waste they should have cut them completely out way back in the beginning of the show honestly.

I agree with alot of the points here saying this was a lame episode, i wasn't surprised by any deaths and for a show known for that it's pretty dumb.

MrMelodramatic posted...

Sam is literally useless.

I legit want him to die, he's such a fat fuck.

Yeah the wolves play a bigger role in the books for sure. There's a giant pack of wolves in the books lead by Nymeria(Arya's wolf) that's probably going to storm The Twins and eat all the Freys

Oh yeah, here is a question.

What was the point of Ghost rushing in with the Datrhaki.... I mean, unless they covered his paws and jaws with Dragon Glass, wtf is a Wolf going to accomplish.
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Viking_Mudcrap posted...

Zikten posted...

Viking_Mudcrap posted...

Little girl killing a giant was fucking weak.

I don't think it was that big a deal. she wouldn't have been able to kill it normally. only reason she did was cause she got in a death situation and was able to trade her life for a killing blow. you act like she straight up defeated it in standard combat. it brought her up to it's eye and she took the shot and then died. what is the big fucking deal?

So, why did the Giant zombie decide to eat her?

I don't know if it really meant to consume her for food or not. but I think it just was gonna kill her that way. before I even knew she was going to slay it through the eye, I assumed she was about to get her head bit off. literally. I was about ready to pause the scene cause that's exactly what I thought was gonna happen and I was getting too stressed out by it. but then she thrust out her sword

Zikten posted...

Viking_Mudcrap posted...

Zikten posted...

Viking_Mudcrap posted...

Little girl killing a giant was fucking weak.

I don't think it was that big a deal. she wouldn't have been able to kill it normally. only reason she did was cause she got in a death situation and was able to trade her life for a killing blow. you act like she straight up defeated it in standard combat. it brought her up to it's eye and she took the shot and then died. what is the big fucking deal?

So, why did the Giant zombie decide to eat her?

I don't know if it really meant to consume her for food or not. but I think it just was gonna kill her that way. before I even knew she was going to slay it through the eye, I assumed she was about to get her head bit off. literally. I was about ready to pause the scene cause that's exactly what I thought was gonna happen and I was getting too stressed out by it. but then she thrust out her sword

So, then every zombie we seen before in the (How many years has GoT been runing? Zombies were introduced in episode 1) has never tried to "eat" or go out of their way to kill a little girl (because obv a small child is the real treat, so instead of going and continue it's rampage, getting more kills. The only giant zombie [that we see] will stop dead on i's track [while massive fighting is going on] to kill this little girl.

It's fucking stupid. Has no consistency with story or the series itself. It's just more of the every main character is a fucking superhero.
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Viking_Mudcrap posted...

papercup posted...

Cruddy_horse posted...

Glad to see Ghost got another 10 seconds of screen-time and is then gone again. The Dire-wolves are such a waste they should have cut them completely out way back in the beginning of the show honestly.

I agree with alot of the points here saying this was a lame episode, i wasn't surprised by any deaths and for a show known for that it's pretty dumb.

MrMelodramatic posted...

Sam is literally useless.

I legit want him to die, he's such a fat fuck.

Yeah the wolves play a bigger role in the books for sure. There's a giant pack of wolves in the books lead by Nymeria(Arya's wolf) that's probably going to storm The Twins and eat all the Freys

Oh yeah, here is a question.

What was the point of Ghost rushing in with the Datrhaki.... I mean, unless they covered his paws and jaws with Dragon Glass, wtf is a Wolf going to accomplish.

The point was it looked cool, and the showrunners didn't really seem to understand his purpose in the books. Is he dead? Is he alive? idk. I kind of don't care lol. So in the books, all of the Stark children (except maybe Sansa? I can't remember), including Jon, exhibit warging abilities with their wolves. When Jon is betrayed and murdered at the end of A Dance With Dragons, it seems to imply that at the last moment before he died he warged into Ghost, and for the moment he's stuck there. So in the books Ghost is going to play a big part in bringing Jon back. Maybe. It's just speculation at this point.
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What I hate most about this episode is how much it cheapens S8E2. If everyone who was around the fire lived (with no major injuries, even), what was the point of the episode? Why would they complete Briennes arc, or make Grey Worm seem so vulnerable? The pre-battle could have been kept to one episode, and these character moments could have been saved for before the big fight against Cersei

papercup posted...

Viking_Mudcrap posted...

papercup posted...

Cruddy_horse posted...

Glad to see Ghost got another 10 seconds of screen-time and is then gone again. The Dire-wolves are such a waste they should have cut them completely out way back in the beginning of the show honestly.

I agree with alot of the points here saying this was a lame episode, i wasn't surprised by any deaths and for a show known for that it's pretty dumb.

MrMelodramatic posted...

Sam is literally useless.

I legit want him to die, he's such a fat fuck.

Yeah the wolves play a bigger role in the books for sure. There's a giant pack of wolves in the books lead by Nymeria(Arya's wolf) that's probably going to storm The Twins and eat all the Freys

Oh yeah, here is a question.

What was the point of Ghost rushing in with the Datrhaki.... I mean, unless they covered his paws and jaws with Dragon Glass, wtf is a Wolf going to accomplish.

The point was it looked cool, and the showrunners didn't really seem to understand his purpose in the books. Is he dead? Is he alive? idk. I kind of don't care lol. So in the books, all of the Stark children (except maybe Sansa? I can't remember), including Jon, exhibit warging abilities with their wolves. When Jon is betrayed and murdered at the end of A Dance With Dragons, it seems to imply that at the last moment before he died he warged into Ghost, and for the moment he's stuck there. So in the books Ghost is going to play a big part in bringing Jon back. Maybe. It's just speculation at this point.

I am actually just finished the 3rd book (well like 3 months ago) haven't started the 4th one since I heard it was better to read the side stories first,, so I am not all that current on books. I gotta pick up all the sidestories first.
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MrMelodramatic posted...

What I hate most about this episode is how much it cheapens S8E2. If everyone who was around the fire lived (with no major injuries, even), what was the point of the episode? Why would they complete Briennes arc, or make Grey Worm seem so vulnerable? The pre-battle could have been kept to one episode, and these character moments could have been saved for before the big fight against Cersei

Because they need padding. Look how it takes a good 15 minutes before the "fight" to start. I get it, you want tension, but it doesn't feel like tension... It feels like they only have 8 episodes to conclude a series of many years and they don't really know what to do, so they pad episodes with useless shit.
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Oh, and who planned this battle?

So, the plan was to trap the zombies behind the wall of fire right... why didn't they keep the catapults inside the castle and bombarded the zombies when they stopped at the first. What was the strategy here? Hope it burns forever and they don't walk past it? Why didn't they take this chance to counter attack. Why was there no strategy when they were rushing the walls and pilling on top of each other? Is there no flammable liquid in the GoT world? Like, they used to throw burning oil on people trying to climb a wall/siege a castle. No one though they should have something flammable to kill the zombies? What about Wildfire? Why didn't they pick up some when they went to visit Cersie? If she did use it all on to blow up the city, is there no other flammable liquid?
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Viking_Mudcrap posted...

MrMelodramatic posted...

What I hate most about this episode is how much it cheapens S8E2. If everyone who was around the fire lived (with no major injuries, even), what was the point of the episode? Why would they complete Briennes arc, or make Grey Worm seem so vulnerable? The pre-battle could have been kept to one episode, and these character moments could have been saved for before the big fight against Cersei

Because they need padding. Look how it takes a good 15 minutes before the "fight" to start. I get it, you want tension, but it doesn't feel like tension... It feels like they only have 8 episodes to conclude a series of many years and they don't really know what to do, so they pad episodes with useless shit.

Isn't it just 6 episodes this season?

I didn't like the fight. The tactics were bad and you couldn't see shit
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Cruddy_horse posted...

MrMelodramatic posted...

Sam is literally useless.

I legit want him to die, he's such a fat fuck.

He's Martin's self-insert character. If every single human in the entire Seven Kingdoms dies and only two humans survive, there is a 100% chance that those survivors will be Sam and Arya (because Martin's wife loves her as a character and has supposedly threatened him and told him he better not kill her). Sam is the only person in the entire series who will literally never die.

(It's also been assumed/implied that the entire story as you read it in the books is the story as told/written by Sam after everything is over - again, making him the Martin analogue - so he basically has to survive so that he can write it.)

It's possible he can die in the show because the show writers don't necessarily give a shit about which characters Martin wants to protect (they've already killed people in the show who are still alive in the books), but they're also WAY more wary of pulling the trigger on important characters so you can probably give up on hoping to see Sam die.

There's at least a 70% chance the series ends with a bit of a flash-forward epilogue sort of thing where you see an older Jon sitting on the throne with Sam as the Grand Maester standing by his side (with bonus points if you also see Tyrion on his other side as the Hand).


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Viking_Mudcrap posted...

It's just more of the every main character is a fucking superhero.

LOL
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Ned Stark said that a man can only be brave when he is afraid

Samwell is the bravest man in the Seven Kingdoms
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Mead posted...

Ned Stark said that a man can only be brave when he is afraid

Samwell is the bravest man in the Seven Kingdoms

A man who is never afraid is an idiot. A man who is terrified but still does what needs to be done is brave.


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I just talked with my grandparents who watch it and they are LIVID

Ha, my grandpa was complaining about all the darkness and how nothing happened and it was all one big fight the whole time and it was boring, etc, etc

Viking_Mudcrap posted...

MrMelodramatic posted...

What I hate most about this episode is how much it cheapens S8E2. If everyone who was around the fire lived (with no major injuries, even), what was the point of the episode? Why would they complete Briennes arc, or make Grey Worm seem so vulnerable? The pre-battle could have been kept to one episode, and these character moments could have been saved for before the big fight against Cersei

Because they need padding. Look how it takes a good 15 minutes before the "fight" to start. I get it, you want tension, but it doesn't feel like tension... It feels like they only have 8 episodes to conclude a series of many years and they don't really know what to do, so they pad episodes with useless shit.

Yeah. Thats exactly what Ive been thinking. I think D and D are really good at adapting stuff, but when it comes to writing their own shit, they obvious flaws with their writing shines through it all.

Man, the battle for Winterfell shouldve fucking killed everyone hiding in the crypts, at least. Instead we get the wights popping up and surprising everyone and then... nobody of importance dies. Sansa and Tyrion just had to hide behind a tombstone and... held hands? Misandei and Gilly didnt even do anything at all.

Ugh. Everyone down there shouldve died. The innocents are always the ones who suffer the most. But nope, everyone basically walks out of what is possibly the hardest battle ever with... no real losses beyond 4 dudes
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Revelation34 posted...

He got overconfident.

You seem to think their death is a issue. That isn't my problem here. The anticlimactic end to a long-running story arc is the issue.
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