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Lopen
04/13/19 2:00:09 PM
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Angels aren't really a must they're just the best option on a lot of melee damage units. If you've been focusing lance aniki hard it may not be worth it to plow into them immediately. But if you've got and are using Leon then they're one of the best options for him. Them or bats.

The big thing I would say for melee units (horse/spear/sword) is it's useful to have your support not match the main type. So if you're running Leon giving him something that isn't a horse as his backup is nice as it means he isn't hard countered by lances so much. Tanks it matters a bit less-- mostly cause it's harder to run mixed there since most non-lance units are not viable as tanks... unless you're weird like me and are running like Bernhardt as your tank, but yeah.
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ShatteredElysium
04/13/19 2:05:05 PM
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Map events are basically always worthwhile unless you're swimming in crafting mats (possible after dragon farming) or have everyone leveled

Gold you always need

Armor ones are worthwhile at high levels for the slim chance of an SSR

Bonding mats seem like an easy pass but you get big bonuses from bonds and you will basically always needs them. I really regret ignoring them earlier

Crystals/Tickets are a limited resource so always worth doing

Crafting mats will vary based on how much you farm dragons but eventually you'll ignore them

Potion map events seem really rare to me but you will want everyone leveled for guild wars eventually but you can ignore them if you dont care about that
masterplum
04/13/19 8:15:45 PM
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masterplum
04/13/19 8:18:53 PM
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Im starting to think Bats might just be better than angel in PVE btw

Sceptilesolar posted...
I just mastered Luna's flying class. The next thing ought to be switching her to archer, but it feels like Ullr's is essentially mandatory. Otherwise I guess I'm using Nighthawk? Real lack of options due to atk being useless.


This actually is why she is good. If you have great Mdef armor she can basically go in with no weapon and still have 1000 attack
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ShatteredElysium
04/13/19 8:28:37 PM
155
I use Bats all the time on Leon. It just makes for lazier clears. If I ever had trouble with something and magic damage was involved I'd switch to angels
Sceptilesolar
04/13/19 8:51:06 PM
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masterplum posted...
This actually is why she is good. If you have great Mdef armor she can basically go in with no weapon and still have 1000 attack


Yeah, that makes sense too. It's a little painful giving up the Barrier Lance's additional boost, but I guess Luna not having to run into enemies all the time will make up for it.
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PrivateBiscuit1
04/14/19 10:43:31 AM
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I looked at the prospect of a princess team. The only character I have who can give me a princess buff is Shelfaniel, and while I keep her stats up, I find that she's not particularly a "use in a majority of situations" sort of character. My only other option is Luna, but I have her in the Bow Master class right now.

My other options for another team are the Legion of glory, but without Ledin or Elwin it feels like that might not be the best team to build around. There's also an Origins of Light team, in which the only thing I'm really missing to make that a great team are Tiaris and Dieharte, but I have plenty of other units I can boost. My issue with both of those is that Freya or Grenier would be my only buffers for that, and it feels like maybe they shouldn't since they'd both be my chief tanks and that wasting a the slot on a faction buff might not be the right choice for them?

Of course, I can be totally off base here. So I'm open to being corrected.
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ShatteredElysium
04/14/19 11:08:56 AM
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Bow Master Luna is optimal Luna and she's the ideal Princess buffer. Basically she's a prime runestone candidate. The Princess buff she gives lets you whittle people down via fixed damage so Shelfaniel AoEing shit is pretty good.
Sceptilesolar
04/14/19 11:38:56 AM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I looked at the prospect of a princess team. The only character I have who can give me a princess buff is Shelfaniel, and while I keep her stats up, I find that she's not particularly a "use in a majority of situations" sort of character. My only other option is Luna, but I have her in the Bow Master class right now.

My other options for another team are the Legion of glory, but without Ledin or Elwin it feels like that might not be the best team to build around. There's also an Origins of Light team, in which the only thing I'm really missing to make that a great team are Tiaris and Dieharte, but I have plenty of other units I can boost. My issue with both of those is that Freya or Grenier would be my only buffers for that, and it feels like maybe they shouldn't since they'd both be my chief tanks and that wasting a the slot on a faction buff might not be the right choice for them?

Of course, I can be totally off base here. So I'm open to being corrected.


I think Origins of Light is supposed to be pretty bad. It sounds like you definitely have the tools for Princess, and as you get up to 60 you'll want to start preparing for a second team, but I wouldn't drop what you have or waste resources trying to raise both teams at once. Especially since it sounds like Luna will require runestones (which she always does, obviously, but even more urgently so if you put her on archer tree first).
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masterplum
04/14/19 1:38:30 PM
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I Really Like bow Luna. She probably is my favorite hero

Shes an incredible support. With move again and upgraded demon hunters she gets in, blows up soldiers, and gets out. Her magic defense aura keeps everyone alive, and her princess buff enables two of the best damage dealers in the game in Cherie and Lana

She cant carry all by herself, but she enables all sorts of strategies
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Yankees
04/14/19 1:45:52 PM
161
I'd like to switch over to bow Luna, but I've completely neglected archer training, and lack Ullr's Bow. Now that I can beat 60 dark dragon, I'm dumping some stamina into it and hoping for the best.

I think the equipment map events are worth doing. I mostly neglected them before I unlocked the level 52 ones, and I believe I've hit four or five SSRs on it since.
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Tom Bombadil
04/14/19 2:37:25 PM
162
is it just me or does putting non-matching soldier types on your heroes kinda suck? I envisioned it leading to interesting strategic space but it seems to hurt me in optimal matches more than it helps me in sub-optimal ones (mayyyybe with the exception of letting my cavalry hit from range)
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Lopen
04/14/19 2:57:48 PM
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I swear by putting non matching soldier types. I mean yeah if you wanna one shot enemies it's gonna be harder but imo surviving more matchups is better most of the time. Maybe I'm just skewed because I tend to leave the one shotting to my mages and just want the melee units to not die, generally.
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Sceptilesolar
04/14/19 3:01:27 PM
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It feels like you generally want to gravitate towards the highest quality troop available to the hero for their role, and not care that much about whether its type matches or not. I don't find myself changing my hero's attached troop from map to map ever.
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ChaosTonyV4
04/14/19 3:54:27 PM
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I find switching Ledins attached troop to be incredibly effective.
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ShatteredElysium
04/15/19 5:15:46 AM
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It's entirely dependent on the unit. Ledin massively benefits from Phalanx. Leon massively benefits from Angels/Bats. Sonya massively benefits from Bats. Most of the time you are going for the troop perk and/or training investment rather than the typing.

Also decent start to the week for me. This is all today since reset (I did get a Hydra bow just before reset too)

Elven Ring from Macho Lotto
Gargoyle Jacket from 65 Fire Dragon (my first solo 65 win)
Extreme Magic Bow, Wind Cutter Dagger and Frostrend from store

The bow is obviously awesome. Gargoyle Jacket is pretty great too. Elven Ring is meh but at least usable and SSR accessories are hard to come by. Wind Cutter Dagger is probably ore. Frostrent will be ore in the long run but for now may as well 40 one and have an okayish option at Sword until I find something better
SythaWarrior
04/15/19 10:53:46 AM
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My streak of no SSR on pulls ended at 130 pulls for Bernhardt. Who honestly I can't be mad with but I wanted Atlmuller or Bozel.
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Lopen
04/15/19 11:50:13 AM
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We should get Bozel's quest again in a few months if we follow China's schedule, so maybe for the best you didn't get him.
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Lopen
04/16/19 5:39:33 PM
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My motivation to play this game has really gone down since hitting level 60 now that the progression rush is gone. I've missed two daily 30s so far.

Probably for the best. It was a little high maintenance.
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masterplum
04/16/19 8:23:35 PM
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Beat level 65 ice dragon on a crit counterattack of the last turn

Granted I screwed up my positioning earlier and probably could have pulled it off a turn sooner if Lana didnt die prematurely but still.

First 65 dragon. Woo
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PrivateBiscuit1
04/18/19 8:57:57 AM
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New update with two new characters!

New dungeons!

But they mark your Heroes as pinging for a possible update now if they have a single equipment that can be leveled up. Ugh.

Also, how do you earn egg coins? And what is the best get with those?
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ShatteredElysium
04/18/19 9:01:53 AM
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Used 30 tickets and got Listell. Now for reals I need to start saving for collab

Eggs come from doing basically anything in Secret Realm. Well, not sure about Goblins but everything else. I'm doing my goblin runs right now so will have an answer to that in a few mins
ShatteredElysium
04/18/19 9:11:03 AM
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No eggs for Goblins. So you get eggs for

Anikis
Dragons
Bond Realm
Exp Dungeon
Joint Realm
Eternal Dungeon

I'm not sure on best way but they're probably about even with a bit of variance on the drop. I got 3 from Aniki 60, 4 from Bond Realm, 1 and 2 from Exp Dungeon. Dragon I did before update so not sure on that.

It's probably 1-2 eggs can drop per 10 stamina (8 if joint) used. So exp is 1-2, Bond is 3-4, Aniki is 3-4 and Dragon is probably 5-6
Luis_Sera89
04/18/19 9:25:12 AM
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30 tickets got me David Lee Roth, who wasn't the one I was hoping for, but at least he has a faction buff for Strategic Masters, which gives me something new to think about.

Come to think of it, all but one of the SSR's I've pulled have come within the first 20-30 tickets spent on a banner. If I'd stopped after each one my rate would be 5 SSR's from roughly 150 tickets rather than 6 from 347 (not including free units).
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HashtagSEP
04/18/19 9:39:49 AM
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Is there seriously no pity mechanic at ALL in this game? I just used another 70 tickets since I haven't in awhile and still haven't gotten an SSR. I've got to be up over 300 used by now and haven't gotten one since the very first time.
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Lopen
04/18/19 10:18:40 AM
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If you go to feats under challenges you can see your SSR rate vs pull rate since both tallies are tracked.

The only thing resembling a pity mechanic is I've heard if you contact support with your rate being sufficiently low they'll give you a free random SSR, but I've also heard people say that's nonsense so I don't know.
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ShatteredElysium
04/18/19 10:19:38 AM
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There's no pity mechanic but you can see your pull rate

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ShatteredElysium
04/18/19 10:20:53 AM
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Lopen posted...
If you go to feats under challenges you can see your SSR rate vs pull rate since both tallies are tracked.

The only thing resembling a pity mechanic is I've heard if you contact support with your rate being sufficiently low they'll give you a free random SSR, but I've also heard people say that's nonsense so I don't know.


When I did the latter I basically got told random is random and that the SR heroes are good / usable
Lopen
04/18/19 11:45:52 AM
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I decided to do one 10x draw just for fun and because I felt like Listell might be kind to me because Dark Cycle often has been.

I actually got a SSR. Also got Imelda and Freya what a draw.

But it was Shelfaniel. Which... I don't mind this! I may even appreciate getting her more than Listell really.
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Lopen
04/18/19 12:37:09 PM
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Also side note we have 18 Gate of Fates for a while. I didn't notice this in the patch notes anywhere. Possible I glossed over it but it's also possible someone else did too so worth mentioning.
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Sceptilesolar
04/18/19 12:47:49 PM
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That part is nice. I can keep getting 3 shards daily for Shelf, Liana, and Cherie, get some of the ones who don't need stars as badly, and maybe unlock some bond gates for others as well.
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HashtagSEP
04/18/19 12:54:18 PM
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1/237

Okay so it wasn't 300 but still
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Lopen
04/18/19 12:55:08 PM
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1/237 is very severe. You may have a bit more luck with support than SE did. I'd contact them. No harm, at least.
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PrivateBiscuit1
04/18/19 1:08:53 PM
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Damnit server maintenance during my lunch break.
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ShatteredElysium
04/18/19 2:15:15 PM
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Lopen posted...
1/237 is very severe. You may have a bit more luck with support than SE did. I'd contact them. No harm, at least.


Yeah may also have more luck because he has only 1 too. Me complaining about rates to them whilst having 7 SSR (I think at the time) probably doesn't look as bad because even if my rate is shitty I still had 7 SSRs (10 including freebies). I also wasn't anywhere near as bad rate as him
masterplum
04/18/19 9:58:00 PM
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After briefly flirting with 2%, I went 0fer today after 60 pulls and am down to 10/617

Great.

I also went overboard farming today because I was sick and got over 200 Easter coins....

Yeah that wasnt necessary
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PrivateBiscuit1
04/18/19 10:38:47 PM
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I bought an egg with the coins and got 150,000 gold out of the deal.

Not bad.
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ShatteredElysium
04/18/19 10:40:05 PM
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Eggs give gold, crystals or trinity vouchers so are definitely worth buying.
PrivateBiscuit1
04/19/19 1:13:05 AM
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I am stuck on 5-2 Elite. Bozel is my least favorite ever to go up against. I just can't beat it. Every single time, he uses Black Hole and that's the end of my team. I have tried so many times and I have no issues until I run into Bozel and he just saunters up with Black Hole and then takes somebody out immediately with a Dark Reaper. And after that, anyone who attacks him just gets shredded. And these are my units who have the most Magic Resist on my team.

So frustrating. And I would level up my class for my healer to get the AOE Magic Resist, but all of the tokens are on stages AFTER that level. So I can't even get what I need to level her up for that. Extremely frustrating.
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Lopen
04/19/19 1:33:05 AM
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Yeah I had trouble with that one too. How I eventually did it was just ran up immediately, basically speed blitzing and ignoring all the enemies below you. Bait out the attackers that aren't Bozel. Kill them. Then just slam into Bozel with everything you have. Respect Bozel's Black Hole range and don't let him open with that. If you have a stun or high movement attackers that should be what you need. Attack with ranged first to pick off gargoyles then get to work on melee. He's durable but he won't kill you on counters unless you've been softened with Black Hole because his troops aren't ranged
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ShatteredElysium
04/19/19 8:12:35 AM
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I think that's the first backbreaker for everyone. I remember I struggled with it too and I couldn't get the class materials to get stronger because they were hated behind it. I think I just waited an extra level or 2 and possibly upgraded gear/soldiers.

It's all about not getting black holed before you are able to pummel him.

Or using a stun / sleep probably helps too but I didn't go that route.
ShatteredElysium
04/19/19 8:50:57 AM
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Also, this is why the Langrisser devs are the best. They could have half assed the skins being usable by every class thing and just had them always look the same. Instead they went whole hog and modified all the additional skins to suit and we are now blessed with glorious things like this

OvRM89R
Sceptilesolar
04/19/19 10:35:17 AM
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Spewed some tickets on the new banner and got Listell on the 3rd 10. It'll be a while before I can make use of her but she seems cool. I wonder if the Legends faction is at all functional once you add in some of the unreleased characters.

Also team level 57. Not far now.
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ShatteredElysium
04/19/19 10:37:00 AM
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Listell is basically PVP only from what I understand
Sceptilesolar
04/19/19 10:38:59 AM
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Oh right the thing where they ridiculously powercreep PVP and don't do much for PVE. That part sucks.
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Lopen
04/19/19 11:25:38 AM
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I could see some uses to her kit for PVE. The big concern is there are limited character slots and for PVE she seems kinda outclassed by Bozel and Lana and running 3 mages is suspicious.
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ShatteredElysium
04/19/19 11:35:30 AM
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Yeah that's the problem. Even Egbert does very similar things to her for PVE and Bozel/Lana flat out do everything better.

But what she does in PVP is T0 and is unmatched.
Lopen
04/19/19 11:41:12 AM
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If I got her I'd still use her and run 3 mages sometimes to be honest. I think at high level running weird teamcomps tends to work a bit better in general because things hit so hard your typical "bait with tank and counter" strategy is questionable for a lot of stuff since the stuff hits so hard.

But yeah there's a reason I only gave her one draw. Maybe someday if she gets a focus I'll once again have the full Dark Reincarnation.
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Yankees
04/19/19 12:13:44 PM
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I gave the banner a few draws and got a dupe Elwin. I have not been fortunate in pulling banner units when it isn't guaranteed.
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