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WiggumFan267
06/16/19 2:50:31 PM
#401:


They entered the season with exactly 5 MLB starting pitchers at every level of the organization. There were plenty of depth guys they could've signed. They chose to sign 0. They instead chose to sign like 6 backup infielders/
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WiggumFan267
06/16/19 2:52:27 PM
#402:


the injury is apparently just a cramp so you can now leave the DH boner out of it lol (i wont back off on ownership obv)

(noting of course he probably is not properly diagnosed yet)
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WiggumFan267
06/16/19 3:55:06 PM
#403:


paul dejong is the most purely met killer there is. 9 homers in 82 AB. feels like every AB he's ever had the cardinals take the lead.
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WiggumFan267
06/16/19 4:38:15 PM
#404:


the mets bullpen blew 2 late leads and one late tie game this series and lost 2 starters to injury and have no suitable replacements, doesn't get much worse than that
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WiggumFan267
06/17/19 11:29:34 AM
#405:


Apparently, Brandon Nimmo is in Los Angeles to see specialist Dr. Robert Watkins for second opinion on his neck.

god fucking dammit. When it rains, it pours (and it's always raining).

His career is in jeopardy.

Please keep in mind, after he crashed into a wall trying to make a catch like a month ago, and complained of neck soreness, they still continued to play him through this neck injury they knew about for like a week before putting him on the IL.
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WiggumFan267
06/17/19 11:56:44 AM
#406:


https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1140647487746838528

Weekend with #mets: The GM won't say if Jed Lowrie has a new injury, despite suggesting there is one; Brandon Nimmo now seeing neck specialists for injury team has said was merely "soreness"; and team won't reveal MRI results for Noah Syndergaard that was taken Sunday AM


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WiggumFan267
06/17/19 12:13:12 PM
#407:


BTW, my jersey purchasing luck is absolutely horrendous. I really need to stop. I'd say these injuries are all my fault, except it's really the Wilpons being incompetent scum for forcing players to play through injury for personal profit...

But, whenever I buy a Mets player jersey (which I wasn't really into until more recently, I was always more of a shirsey guy), they suffer a significant, devastating and/or career-altering injury within MONTHS of me buying the jersey, and in some cases weeks or DAYS.

Harvey's in 2013 right around the All-Star game (he had a torn UCL a month later, and got Tommy John)

I had an old Wright one forever, but it was getting small so I got a new one before 2015 season (spinal stenosis ending his career like 2 months later)

Syndergaard near the end of the 2015 season (early in 2016 he tore his lat and was out the whole year)

Cespedes after they re-signed him the first time in 2016 (he was fine that year, but then was out for most of 2017, and almost all of 2018 when they mishandled his Calcified Heel surgery... similar situation as Nimmo. they know he had it and needed surgery, but they activated him anyway vs the Yankees in particular (to draw ratings) and played one game and went on the DL and he's been there since. Plus the whole stepping into a hole thing).

Michael Conforto one of those cool little league weekend Nickname jerseys right before that weekend happened in 2017 (literally 3 days later he tore his shoulder capsule swinging and missing at a pitch)

Brandon Nimmo the start of 2019 (then his neck issues, as I already mentioned, again, being forced to play through injury that they supposedly misdiagnosed).
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RPGlord95
06/17/19 12:22:22 PM
#408:


Buy a Wilpons Jersey?
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GeneralKenobi85
06/17/19 12:24:25 PM
#409:


Maybe you should buy a Jeff Wilpon jersey then.

Looks like RPGlord and I were on the same wavelength there lol.
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RPGlord95
06/17/19 12:44:52 PM
#410:


General Kenobi, you are a bold one
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WiggumFan267
06/17/19 12:59:35 PM
#411:


it doesn't work that way sadly, it's like Nick calls. it has to be genuine. You can't try to game the system. I'm afraid me buying a Jeff Wilpon jersey will make him immortal.
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WiggumFan267
06/17/19 10:51:13 PM
#412:


mets got destroyed by the braves today. wheeler did ok but his defense did him dirty and the bullpen came in and made a mess. seems to be pretty much most games.

this season is gonna get real dirty and dark real fast. especially down 1, possibly 2 starters.
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 4:38:18 PM
#413:


Nimmo has been shut down for another month. No baseball activities for 30 days.

It really fucking sucks the wilpons persistence to force players to play through injuries might cost nimmo his entire career. Not like this is the firts time this has happened. It's a recurring theme. This happens all the time. They called this "just neck soreness" when it first happened. They intentionally downplay everything in order so it doesn't look bad when they bring back guys sooner than expected.

THEY LITERALLY DID THIS WITH CANO A WEEK AGO? REMEMBER? when he was on the DL and they said he'll miss the minimum and came back and played 3 innings AND WENT RIGHT BACK ON THE DL

Last year, after Cespedes already missed 2 months, he said "I need surgery on my calcified heels, it has 8 month recovery time". They activated him from the DL the next day. He re-tore something. He went back on the DL the next day. They knew he needed surgery when he went on the DL 2 months prior.

This is only the high level shit. This shit happens all the motherfucking time. Syndergaard- you saw he had a hammy strain. It looked bad. They said "its minor he'll just miss one start". Vargas appeared to have a back issue. You saw it. You were watching. It didnt look great. "Just a cramp, will make his next start"

THEY DO THIS SHIT. ALL. THE. FUCKING. TIME.AND. NO. ONE. DOES> ANYTHING. ABOUT IT.

They are LITERALLY FUCKING ENDANGERING THE HEALTH AND CAREER OF EVERY SINGLE FUCKING ONE OF THEIR PLAYERS

THIS HAPPENS TO LITERALLY LIKE FIVE GUYS A YEAR

MAKE IT FUCKING STOP
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 4:56:48 PM
#414:


Like, I just want to make sure I stress enough that this is not an exaggeration. They do this with nearly every single player. They always either rush them back too early or force them to play through injury. They bring them off the DL while they are still hurt. I am guaranteeing you this is a Wilpon thing, because it fits their MO of being $ driven, and they've been doing it through at least 6 different GMs , or however many they've had since they took over. They are the issue.

And it has varying degrees of how bad it is. From getting lucky that nothing comes ofit, to cases like teh Cano thing where they go right back on the DL the day of being activated, to cases like Cespedes where it literally affects his career because they knew about it months prior and ACTIVATED HIM ANYWAY ON THE DAY HE SAYS HE NEEDS SURGERY AND THEN WENT BACK ON THE DL THE NEXT DAY, to literally forcing Pedro Martinez to pitch when fully injured at the end of a meaningless season just for box profits.

This is a fucking pandemic, no exaggeration. They had Nimmo sit for like 3 days and brought him back without a DL stint because it was "just some neck soreness".

Please just understand how bad this, how often the Wilpons do this, how much this is squarely 100% their fault, how this has NOTHING to do with bad luck, this is the cause of them ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS downplaying injures so they cna bring them back before they are ready to, and of course they get re-hurt, and often as a result hurt way worse.... Please understand so I don't have to keep repeating it.
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 4:57:45 PM
#415:


It is completely unethical how they handle injuries. They do this nonstop. They are literally ruining careers.
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 5:08:53 PM
#416:


The Mets forced Pedro to pitch hurt, effectively ending his career. They forbid Beltran from getting surgery that saved his career. They let Noah decline an MRI, leading him to miss half a season. They rushed Cano and Cespedes back. Rushing Cespedes back likely led to the end of his career. They rushed Nimmo back from "neck soreness" and now he appears to have a significant career-threatening issue.

Of all the stupidity, incompetence, and greed that the Mets are capable of, of all the "rub some dirt on it" false machismo that they try to exude, are even they so bad as to put a player's career in jeopardy again by trying to rush him back before he sees specialists? (yes)

Mets 2019 injury rushing back too soon issues

Nimmo - neck stiffness on April 16, continues to play then finally hits IL. Scratched from rehab, shutdown for month

Lowrie - knee soreness on Feb 20, starts rehab only to be shutdown on May 11, not close to return

Justin Wilson - hit IL, returns, IL again

Cano - Hits IL with quad strain, comes back with rehab stint. Misses three game with same injury. Goes back to IL with same injury.

fired Ray Ramirez. Issues still happening.

fired Terry Collins. Still happening.

fired Sandy Alderson. Still happening.

Jeff Wilpon still here: Issues still happening. He is the one constant.


This is completely unethical. How has the MLBPA literally done nothing about this for so long? This shit happens EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR.
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GeneralKenobi85
06/18/19 5:15:17 PM
#417:


What would the Mets gain by running Nimmo out there injured though? I understand why they would for Cespedes and Cano since they're big names. Nimmo is popular and had a good year last season, but is Jeff Wilpon literally standing in the shadows with dollar signs in his eyes telling them to send Nimmo back out there anyway? That said, I do think you're right for the most part that it all stems from them. I'm just not sure if you can attribute it to every single player. But maybe that is indeed the case.

Also we all know you're gonna keep repeating this regardless of whether anyone understands or not.
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 5:29:17 PM
#418:


GeneralKenobi85 posted...
but is Jeff Wilpon literally standing in the shadows with dollar signs in his eyes telling them to send Nimmo back out there anyway?


Yes. He is the GM. he makes all the decisions. In the case of someone like Nimmo, no its not necessarily ticket-driven (although Nimmo is a fan favorite, so maybe) but the fact they have a "machismo" organizational philosophy. This has been reported. He thinks all these players should be able to play depsite their injury "just rub some dirt on it". The reasoning why he does this doesn't reallymatter.

First you need to accept, yes, this is 100% his doing. This has happened through every staff change imaginable and it still happens. He has players come back as soon as he thinks they are able to. He's not a medical expert yet hes still making these decisions. He wants them in the lineup for his own reasons, be they good-intentioned or not, it doesn't matter.

These players get hurt, they do NOT go on the DL immediately, its always called "minor" and they play through it. I don't know if they don't get the proper medical attention or they make up lies to the media, or what but this is a CONSTANT. And the player will play a couple games or less and get hurt worse. And they go on the DL and get activated before they are fully recovered.

All the Whys don't really matter. It can make the situation worse I guess, but no reason is a good reason. The fact is, it has been happening forever and there is only one constant and all the puzzle pieces fit.
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 5:30:44 PM
#419:


so, Yes. It is Jeff making these decisions. He is the one endangering the health of these players. Even if you think its not him (and you would be very very wrong) than that means every single GM and trainer the mets have ever had are making these decisions, and theres been a number of them and this keeps happening anyway and I dont see as often as I should about anyone suffering any consequences or any national media articles calling ANYONE out for this terrible injury mismanagement. Articles I guess are written maybe, but no one is called out or taking any responsibility for this issue happening.

Whoever the issue lies with (and its Jeff), why is no one ever givne ANY responsibility for this? If this were the GM's issue for bringing a player back too soon, don't you think they'd have to take the brunt of that issue? How come that doesn't happen then?

It's because everyone knows its the owner, and they won't take the responsibility for this happening over and over, because they don't have to take any, as owners. Or if they did, they'd risk losing the team.
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GeneralKenobi85
06/18/19 5:32:58 PM
#420:


Ah I did not know that about him. I mean I know how much control he has of course I just didn't know about his bizarre opinion on injuries.
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 5:37:34 PM
#421:


For Nimmo, they probably realize he is at least Nimmo is a good player who they want in their lineup, so they're trying to get him in the lineup as much as they can. They have plenty to gain by having Nimmo in the lineup because they see him as a good player (he is... despite his struggles this year, which by the way are likely related to his neck, to some degree). They just don't care that they cause him risk of significant injury by continuing to have him play after he sustains an potentially serious neck injury. The thought process probably went like "eh, yeah he hurt his neck but it's probably not that bad, despite what the doctors say. He can tough it out, hes a tough kid. He needs to break out of his slump, keep playing him"

GeneralKenobi85 posted...
Ah I did not know that about him. I mean I know how much control he has of course I just didn't know about his bizarre opinion on injuries.


Yeah it's pretty known they have that organizational philosophy. I was trying to find an article where it's mentioned but it's hard because it's never the focal point of the article, it's always thrown in there, but yes, they definitely run with a very toxic mentality as it relates to "toughing it out"
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 5:45:59 PM
#422:


plenty of examples

https://www.si.com/mlb/2015/05/05/pedro-martinez-book-jeff-wilpon-forced-pitch-injured

Martinez writes that his toe was hurt and that manager Willie Randolph had told him he was done for the season. But, he said, Wilpon, now the Mets' chief operating officer, wanted to sell tickets for a matchup against the star Marlins left-hander Dontrelle Willis. Martinez said he protested the order and offered to give back the rest of his contract.

"While I'm the boss here, you're going to have to do what I say," Wilpon said, according to Martinez, who gave in and pitched. He lost the game, which drew 25,093 fans, and said the injury prolonged the toe problem. Other parts of his body broke down the next season, and Martinez was inactive for the Mets' run to Game 7 of the 2006 National League Championship Series.


https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/19404194/new-york-mets-injury-issues-go-far-disabled-list

Multiple people familiar with the Mets' operation -- most of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity -- say the team has a less-than-optimal command structure that allows routine problems to fester until they become major conflagrations. Too often, the Mets' approach leads to communication breakdowns, mixed signals or a lack of trust between the team and its players.

"It's the same old, same old mistakes,'' one industry source said. "The Mets are a successful, profitable organization. But no organization, over a protracted period of time, has more significant players on the disabled list. There's a failing across the board. And what changes have been instituted, if any?''


So who's in charge? Multiple sources said the lack of a single medical point person allows for greater involvement by COO Jeff Wilpon in areas where he's lacking in professional expertise. They describe Wilpon as a micromanager who creates an environment in which the Mets simply whipsaw from one crisis to the next and are too often governed by how their decisions will be publicly perceived.

"Jeff gets in the middle of everything that's going on, and he ends up doing more damage,'' said a person who has been involved in the Mets' internal operation. "He meddles. I can't come up with a more appropriate term.''


Like 6 years ago, they hired this Barwis gym to do strength and conditioning and he's like a full-on Football bodybuilder, muscles only kind of guy. It's not routines that are necessarily the right set for baseball where its about more than just bodybuilding
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 5:46:07 PM
#423:


https://www.amazinavenue.com/2018/6/18/17469102/yoenis-cespedes-mets-blaming-athletes-for-being-hurt-sandy-alderson-jeff-wilpon-lebron-james

Baseball, like most sports, has an affinity for toxic masculinity that manifests itself most often in players playing through injuries. But that often comes with a cost. For example, Pedro Martinez in 2005.

Martinez alleges in his book Pedro that Jeff Wilpon forced him to pitch injured in a meaningless September game to sell tickets for a match-up against the Florida Marlins Dontrelle Willis (Wilpon flatly denied this). After having to wait to get surgery, his recovery time was shortened and, after breaking down the next year, he was never the same Pedro.

While that story may or may not be true, his quote to The New York Times also illustrates this culture: I was paid to pitch, so I went and did that, he said. I did it whenever you asked me, whenever I could. I wanted to do it for as long as I could, and that was my limit.

Pedros contract? It was for four years, just like Cespedess.

Would Alderson, manager Mickey Callaway, and the Wilpons prefer to have what would probably be a mirror of Jay Brucea clearly hurt player just grinding through it in left field instead of that player trying to get right? Apparently so.

This displeasure with Cespedes has also extended to the media, who just simply cant believe that a player would have the audacity to not speak with them. And when the media is displeased, it often gets reflected in its coverage, leading to fans being upset with Cespedes not being back either, as if he is purposefully remaining injured.


https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/53vaqb/jeff-wilpon-is-a-piece-of-shit-according-to-lawsuit

Just when it seemed like the New York Mets co-owners couldn't get any more detestable, the Wilpons have, according to an astounding legal document, managed to outdo themselves. Former Senior Vice President for Ticket Sales and Services Leigh Castergine is suing Jeffrey Wilpon and Sterling Mets Front Office, LLC for wrongful termination. The complaint alleges that Wilpon repeatedly chastised and humiliated Castergine for being an unmarried pregnant woman and ultimately fired her for having a baby out of wedlock.



so yeah shouldnt be surprising he's got a toxic masculinity mindset when it comes to this stuff
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 5:52:18 PM
#424:


OH MY GOD IT JUST HAPPENED AGAIN IM NOT EVEN KIDDING

https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1141096662254964736
Mickey Callaway, asked if he's sure Jeurys Familia is healthy:

"It seems like his stuff is in the right place. We'll have conversations with him daily. We'll see how he bounced back today from last night, and continue to do our daily due diligence on everybody on their health."


This tweet was at 5:33.

LITERALLY 12 MINUTES LATER:

https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1141099605423271938

Source: the Mets plan to place Jeurys Familia on the injured list today with a shoulder injury.


5:45 pm

YOU CANNOT. Make this up. it's like mickey callaway didn't even know anything was wrong with him. Why is that do you think?

Also I was wrong on the time frame on Nimmo, btw. He was playing with a Bulging Disc in his neck (which he sustained when he crashed into the wall and continued to play) for LITERALLY SIX WEEKS. but that's the ailment he went on the DL with, and it was clearly affecting his play.
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GeneralKenobi85
06/18/19 5:59:19 PM
#425:


You know I thought that pregnancy firing was related to maternity leave or something. I didn't realize it was apparently about her having a baby out of wedlock. That's so ridiculous it's almost comical.
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 6:03:36 PM
#426:


if that incident didnt cause them to sell , nothing will probably.

I am just truly appalled that the MLBPA knows about all this horrible injury misnamangement (I assume they know), that they put guys on the DL long after they need to be, and are activated way too soon, with serious consequence, and they don't do anything about it. You don't even HEAR about it that much. I feel like national outlets rarely pick this shit up for baseball
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 6:04:36 PM
#427:


i just feel like its not talked about or reported enough, to ge shit to happen. like i bet a ton of people who matter in this kind of thing think the issue is much less worse off than it actually is.

Jeff wilpon is 100% that toxic machismo mentality guy, and the fact your OWNER is like that permeates it throughout the club.
This is the kind of shit that makes me say wilpon is by far the worst owner in sports, It goes far beyond just being cheap , stupid, incompetent, ego-driven, etc
His actions are explicitly harmful to his players, and are legitimately career-threatening. I will never be shocked when this happens because it happens all the time, but I will always be shocked it's ALLOWED to happen with not just no repercussion, but no responsibility or little media reaction
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 6:15:08 PM
#428:


LIKE SERIOUSLY THOUGH LOOK AT THESE TIMESTAMPS

https://twitter.com/EricBien/status/1141100536613281793
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WiggumFan267
06/18/19 7:46:49 PM
#429:


https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1141127273845837827

More Mets injury news: reliever Justin Wilson was scratched from his rehab appearance tonight due to left elbow tightness. He had been getting close to activation.


another player who was activated from the IL and went back on a week later.
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WiggumFan267
06/19/19 9:57:16 AM
#430:


[of course btw they had a dominant win on a day when they have a huge controversy... their record on those kind of days is actually pretty good]
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WiggumFan267
06/19/19 1:40:52 PM
#431:


heres something pretty jarring i read lately:

The '96 Yankees had 13 players w/ 2+ bWAR. Pettite, Mo, Bernie & Jeter were the only farm hands. They totaled 17.9 bWAR.

The '18 Mets had 7 players w/ 2+ bWAR, all farm hands: Jake, Noah, Zack, Lugo, Nimmo, Conforto, McNeil. They totaled 29.4 bWAR. That same Mets squad in 2019 ADDED Pete Alonso, a full season of McNeil, and the now-productive Dom Smith... and yet they're still a 3rd place team under .500

That is criminally awful team building

So the 2018 mets had a stronger core of younger players contributing more value to their team than the 1996 yankees, all of those young players not being paid a ton (except deGrom). They just bombed offseason additions so hard as they always do, as you do when you don't spend or trade wisely.

When you have that much young cheap talent, not being able to produce a contender, let alone a team with a winning record, is truly embarrassing
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SmartMuffin
06/19/19 7:48:14 PM
#432:


muh Stros literally swept by the Reds
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Nelson_Mandela
06/19/19 8:09:02 PM
#433:


Yankees almost at full power

12 runs in 2 innings against a contender... Without Judge
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KCF0107
06/20/19 1:56:13 PM
#434:


Rays looking into the possibility of playing in two cities with them playing the majority of their games in this second city. If this plan comes to fruition, Montreal is seen as the frontrunner.
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GeneralKenobi85
06/20/19 2:04:04 PM
#435:


https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1141761834434871297?s=19

Yeah very strange. If they actually did play in Montreal for the latter half of a season, does that include postseason as well? Would suck for the few fans in Tampa who do actually go to games.
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WiggumFan267
06/20/19 2:25:25 PM
#436:


UM EXCUSE ME WHAT

this can't and won't work. they're just gonna play 1 game there 3 years from now and go "hey wouldnt it be easier if we just played ALL our games in Montreal"

MLBPA is not going to allow its players to have to have residence in two cities.

But then again, they are okay allowing one of MLB's teams to force its players to play through injuries, and play coming off the IL before they are fully healed so...
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Nelson_Mandela
06/20/19 2:59:08 PM
#437:


If it gets rid of their stadium then I am all for it
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06/20/19 3:02:42 PM
#438:


Yeah I think it's more likely they'll just permanently move there. This kind of thing would only be feasible in the very short term. And even then, probably not.
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WiggumFan267
06/20/19 3:30:39 PM
#439:


Also all this is is MLB 'giving permission to explore'
That means 5 years to explore, 5 years to lay out a plan, 5 years to implement, etc etc
Plus it could get shot down at anytime. The most likely scenario is nothing ever comes of this.

ALSO.

Mets fired Dave Eiland (the pitching coach) today and also the BP Coach. We know it's not gonna do anything because we know what the real issue is. The "real" pitching coach.

But the Mets firing their pitching & bullpen coaches because Brodie failed to finish building a pitching staff is very Mets on-brand
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SmartMuffin
06/20/19 6:24:51 PM
#440:


All teams should have snowbird schedules! March and April is too cold to be playing up north, so be in Florida then. Then move up north for the summer. Return down south for the playoffs in October. Perfect system!
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Jakyl25
06/21/19 10:29:53 AM
#441:


https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/1141793288690765827?s=21

The man the Mets just hired as their pitching coach is 82 years old. He was a very well-respected pitching coach in the 1980's and an All-Star in the 1960's, but this is a level of Wilpon Shit that I honestly did not think was attainable.


I was reminded of this topic
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WiggumFan267
06/21/19 12:48:43 PM
#442:


Jakyl25 posted...
https://twitter.com/david_j_roth/status/1141793288690765827?s=21

The man the Mets just hired as their pitching coach is 82 years old. He was a very well-respected pitching coach in the 1980's and an All-Star in the 1960's, but this is a level of Wilpon Shit that I honestly did not think was attainable.


I was reminded of this topic


Take issue with the fact they fired their pitching coach because their bullpen has pitched like shit the entire year, despite producing a the Cy Young last year. This has literally nothing to do with the pitching coach. Jeff Wilpon and Brodie did not do enough to address the glaring bullpen issues, and it showed. Their response for their own failure to build an even subpar bullpen was to fire coaches. They were presened with solutions to fix this problem all offseason, and all the way through June until Kimbrel and Keuchel and Gio signed. They took none of these opportunities. Yes, those last 2 are not bullpen but obviously signing starters give you room to add from starting depth (which they also do not have) to relief depth. This happened because THEY REFUSED TO INCREASE THE BUDGET FROM LAST YEAR DESPITE PROMISING WIN NOW. THEY STEAL INSURANCE MONEY AND DONT REINVEST IT BACK IN THE TEAM.

Dont focus on the wrong shit @Jakyl25 This. Is. Only. On. Jeff. Wilpon.
It literlaly makes no difference who the hell the pitching coahc is when you DO NOT SIGN ANY VIABLE PITCHING DEPTH , especially for an injury prone crew.

They went into the season with literally 3-4 question marks in the bullpen, and literally no one in the ENTIRE SYSTEM who can fill in if ANY PITCHER GOT HURT AT ALL.

Putting an 82 year old as your interim pitching coach is far far from the most "wilpon shit" thing ever.
The most Wilpon Shit thing ever is literally every single fucking other thing they've done to dismember this team over the last 27 fucking years

I say all this also really liking the content David Roth puts out there. He is staunchy anti-Wilpon and calls him out on all his shit. Yes this is a bit of an odd decision, and its probably laden in the fact he played with Sandy Koufax and the dodgers, who was Fred Wilpon's childhood team, but it literally affects team performance 0. it's a waste of time to focus on that.

Focus on their failure to build a bullpen out of cheapness, ineptitude, lying, and lack of caring. Focus on the fact that they intentionally FORCE THEIR PLAYERS TO PITCH THROUGH INJUIRES.

Focus on the fact that they RUN EVERY ASPECT OF THE CLUB. THEY MEDDLE IN EVERYTHNG. I am not just saying this. This is literally reported like anywhere you can find.

Fuck sake, look at this article from 2003-
http://a.espncdn.com/mlb/news/2003/0721/1583481.html
"Mr. Jeff Wilpon has decided that he's going to learn how to run a baseball team and take over at the end of the year," Doubleday told the newspaper. "Run for the hills, boys. I think probably all those baseball people will bail."


(Doubleday, the former part-owner who left it in full to Wilpons).

Jeff Wilpon is one of the worst things to ever happen to any sports team.
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WiggumFan267
06/21/19 12:50:31 PM
#443:


also sorry that is not meant to be a lash out at you I just want the right issues at hand to be focused on. and the reasoning why. scapegoat firings happen all the time sure. but its obvious what the issue is when everyone under the sun has been fired for the last 27 years under this regime and only one constant has remained.

seriously, just google Jeff Wilpon meddling and click literlaly any article. This is criminal.
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davidponte
06/21/19 12:57:00 PM
#444:


Can I get a TL;DR on that post
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WiggumFan267
06/21/19 1:01:08 PM
#445:


I have no issue with Phil Regan being named the interim because
A) it doesn't matter who the PC is, the bullpen will continue to suck no matter who is in charge of it (and the pitching coach, along with every other position is Jeff anyway)

B) the players all love this guy, which is important for a PC in an org where it doesn't matter who the PC is that much- he's been at the minors forever and molded each and every pitcher thats come up, no one has bad things to say about him.

C) this season is lost anyway, so who cares who it is.

The season was ruined by the
-failure to sign depth in the right spots to protect from injury
-ruined by forcing hurt players to play through injury, thus making their injuries go from minor to significant, if not career-threatening in some cases
-DESPITE having an incredible young talented core of players who you don't need to pay much, not surrounding them with good FA talent. They save so much money by having guys like Alonso, McNeil, Conforto, Dom Smith, etc being a part of this team on non-contratcs. Its inexcusible they can't and/or won't build around that properly.

and guess what . these 3 things happen EVERY. SINGLE. YEAR. The team is always built in half-measures. built to be "good enough to get by" as a 70-79 win team every year. this is done intentionally so people say "well at least theyre not as bad as team X that is winning 60 games". just like they count insurance money saved (on cespedes/wright/etc) towards payroll, and then dont actually re-invest that money in the team, just so they can see "look see we're top 10 in payroll" (they're bottom 10 in payroll if you subtract the money they don't have to pay to ces and wright). The wilpons operate for the back pages and the ego. Thats why they won't trade to the yankees and 'get pissed' when the yankees do well and make big signings (dead serious, there's articles about that). Everything they do is a completely unacceptable way to run a club
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Jakyl25
06/21/19 1:43:45 PM
#446:


WiggumFan267 posted...
also sorry that is not meant to be a lash out at you I just want the right issues at hand to be focused on. and the reasoning why. scapegoat firings happen all the time sure. but its obvious what the issue is when everyone under the sun has been fired for the last 27 years under this regime and only one constant has remained.

seriously, just google Jeff Wilpon meddling and click literlaly any article. This is criminal.


No by all means, rant away
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Nelson_Mandela
06/21/19 4:38:21 PM
#447:


Judge is back :)
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WiggumFan267
06/22/19 10:28:51 AM
#448:


All Star balloting is so stupid.
Hopefully Alonso and conforto make the team via fan vote but it's stupid of Mets fans to have McNeil over conforto. Conforto has had a better year than like half of the NL final 9 OF. Including McNeil, who's been great but man does this fanbase underappreciate conforto
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WiggumFan267
06/23/19 6:03:21 PM
#449:


Way away most of the weekend and didn't get to see most of Saturday's nice win (and Alonso setting the Mets rookie HR record today... and 1 shy of the Rookie HR record in MLB before July 1, set by McGwire).

Mets lost a tough one today because they did not have Diaz ready to go in the 8th/9th when Lugo was struggling. Callaway's fault. But...

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1142913840679739392

Callaway told the public relations staff to Get this motherf-er out of the clubhouse and when Healey didnt leave, Vargas got into a stare down with him. Words were exchanged and Vargas had to be restrained from him.


this ain't good and I blame this more on the media because I guarantee it's about them trying to stir shit up. they're gonna make a huge deal out of this, of something they caused- I just wish it was because they grilled the team about its shit ownership, as opposed to its bad managerial decisions...but clearly Mickey Callaway can't take any criticism himself. Sounds like Vargas was just defending his manager.

i just hate shit like this that detracts from what the real issue is.

Anyway, fuck the NY media. Be curious to hear Mickey's side as to why he blew up at him
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WiggumFan267
06/23/19 6:05:58 PM
#450:


(Unless of course they did comment on ownership which got them riled up, in which case, go media)
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