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TheKnightOfNee
05/11/19 9:01:42 PM
#251:


Ah shoot, and Minnesota takes the lead in game 2 of the double header after I post that
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Nelson_Mandela
05/12/19 4:55:53 PM
#252:


How are the Yankees this good

This is basically The Replacements
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WiggumFan267
05/14/19 4:12:59 PM
#253:


Dunno if y'all will care, but I watched this interview of Howie Rose (the Mets radio announcer, who is a big fan favorite), and he told this funny story involving him and Keith Hernandez (and Tommy Hutton of the Phillies) and its pretty funny,i recommend listening to it imo.

I linked the timestamp where it happens, but the whole interview is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gn-7X0l0PoA" data-time="&start=2181


I also recommend the part (starting around 11:50 or so in the video) where he talks about balancing his own fandoms vs the professionalism of being a broadcaster (since he grew up a huge Mets fan himself, in the 60s when the Mets were born) and how he can remain fair yet still display a passion for wanting the Mets to win. I personally compare this to what I see from tons of other teams broadcasters where they are actively rooting for the team to win the game like a fan in lieu of professional broadcasting (ie, saying stuff like "Come on, Williams, hit it out of the park!"), which I really do hear way more than you'd think (I remember hearing this from the Pirates and Nats announcers in the past if I'm naming names).
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GeneralKenobi85
05/14/19 5:16:47 PM
#254:


Howie Rose is great. He always seems to have some fun little story like that to mix into the broadcast.
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WiggumFan267
05/15/19 10:56:24 AM
#255:


He's always entertaining, he knows how to make the game enjoyable to listen to even when there's a blowout, and he always has the right voice timbre for the situation. I usually know right after there is contact if it's going to be a hit or not depending on the tone he's using. He also is the kind of guy who seems to have perfect chemistry with whoever he's broadcasting with, usually when they on their own aren't great (I liked his previous partner, Josh Lewin. Current one Wayne Randazzo is eh but works well with Howie).

I say often how much I love the TV booth, but their Radio booth is really just as good
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WiggumFan267
05/16/19 12:06:45 PM
#256:


Didn't really make much sense to me why the Mets willingly chose to start Wilmer Font yesterday (as he's their fill in guy they traded for since they prefer him over Keuchel because you know why).

But the more manageable issue than he just sucks and the Mets cheaped out on trying to win this year is that they started him (on 2 extra days rest), when they could've just started Wheeler on normal rest yesterday, and deGrom on normal rest today, then Font on Friday- which , since when we aren't 100% sure when Matz will be back, gives them some extra room to work to minimize the amount of starts he makes... because every start he makes is literally an automatic loss.

I dunno. It really sucks the Mets are really going with this guy instead of actually paying for someone even just halfway decent while mind you they have started a 20-game stretch with no off days, with literally only 3 pitchers capable of starting a game (degrom, wheeler, syndergaard), since Vargas/Matz are sidelined... there is no one in the minors that can start. I'm sure they'll force someone in there when they have to (like they did with Font) but come on.
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WiggumFan267
05/16/19 4:46:44 PM
#257:


Mets lost the game 7-6 after a 9th inning comeback where they were down 7-4, get your hopes up and let you down anyway. so it's a day that ends in a Y.

but the real devastating news is conforto suffered a concussion colliding with cano, and he's probably going to miss a couple months.

why do the most gruesome and horrible and long-term, and literally career-alterting injuries happen to our best players
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GeneralKenobi85
05/16/19 5:49:52 PM
#258:


Surely now they'll have to put Dom Smith in the outfield right? I think they kinda need him in their lineup all the time at this point if Conforto and McNeil are out for an extended period of time.
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WiggumFan267
05/17/19 11:18:45 AM
#259:


nope, JD Davis in the outfield time cuz gotta get Frazier in the line up obviously fml

(McNeil shouldn't be out more than a couple days, but also, Mets)
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WiggumFan267
05/17/19 1:29:24 PM
#260:


https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1129229291248656384


Just to clear up a misconception of the Gio Gonzalez talks from a few weeks ago: the Mets never made him an offer. The two sides never found enough common ground for it to get that far.

when you have only 3 capable SPs, and you do this you're DEFINITELY "all in"
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WiggumFan267
05/17/19 3:23:58 PM
#261:


WiggumFan267 posted...
nope, JD Davis in the outfield time cuz gotta get Frazier in the line up obviously fml

(McNeil shouldn't be out more than a couple days, but also, Mets)


well now its going to be minor league call up CARLOS GOMEZ lol

this should be interesting. his first game with the Mets in 12 years
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GeneralKenobi85
05/17/19 8:32:01 PM
#262:


I totally forgot about Carlos Gomez
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 9:48:18 AM
#263:


The Wilpons must go.

Every failure is organizational and 100% squarely on them and not a single other individual.

Fire any manager. Hire any GM. It doesn't matter. All scapegoats. They're not in control. Only one person (or group of like 3 people) is.

That is all.
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GeneralKenobi85
05/20/19 12:03:28 PM
#264:


Just get super rich quickly and make them an offer they can't refuse.
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 12:12:59 PM
#265:


It will never happen. Nothing will ever happen to make them sell. The only escape is death. Jeff is not that old, sadly.

Unless you meant something else by "an offer they can't refuse".

Legit Q.

Do you think everyone in MLB already knows that Jeff and the rest of Mets ownership are unfit, meddlesome owners and they just dont care? Or are they unaware of how they are the sole reason for this organizations woes over the last 17 years?
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 2:40:07 PM
#266:


Wilmer Font will be starting again tonight. This was a decision that was made literally just now. It was slated to be Gagnon, but changed it up now. Either way, its an auto-loss, and wears out the bullpen for the next 3-4+ games.

But OBVIOUSLY this is Callaway's fault and he has to go. He's the one who didn't sign any starting pitching in the offseason. DUH. But firing him will fix these issues somehow, implies Ken Rosenthal.

Rosenthal's article this morning in The Athletic is so irresponsible. It's titled "The dysfunctional Mets, who are toxic from the top down, need an accomplished veteran manager"

If you are toxic from the "top down", why one earth would you follow that up with "they need a new manager", when the issue you JUST SAID 5 WORDS AGO, is above the manager? Like holy fucking shit.

The article goes on to make some legit jabs at the Wilpons, which BEG for more media attention, and pressure on the Wilpons, but it won't because the article is framed that the manager is "the issue" (and there's been tons of articles like that, and nothing happens). No one of significant clout, like Rosenthal, or even Stephen A Smith (lmao) has yet to write (or yell, in SAS's terms lol) an article like "The Wilpons Need To Sell The Team".

Some points in the article are legit points that should have people outraged, and things that should make MLB take action like

- But the #Mets, sources say, also have turned him (Callaway) into a puppet, telling him what to say and influencing who he plays.

- "...though sources continue to insist that Jeff, in particular, is a meddlesome presence, heavily involved in the day-to-day operation of the club."

- "Any managerial change particularly one that occurs early in the second season of a three-year contract represents an organizational failure.

but it doesn't follow up on any of these and proceeds to suggest just that the Mets need a new manager. What needs to happen is Ken, or another high-clout reporter needs to write a straight-up call-to-action demanding the Wilpons sell, that they are entirely unfit and meddlesome owners, who constantly lie to the fans, and use the people they hire strictly as puppets to do their bidding, and take the fall when things don't go right (all the time), when all the damage is self-imposing by Jeff and Jeff alone (and the rest of ownership group).

Why is this article is framed as "The Mets need a new manager" when it alludes to the fact that the issue is from above and calls Callaway a "puppet". If he is a puppet, why do they need a new manager?

Callaway is an issue, he's not a good manager, and probably should be fired (and the fact he barely would've lasted 1.5 years is a huge indictment on the Wilpons), but this is well down the list, like 30th, on problems with the Mets right now. It's clear what the issues are in Ken's article, yet its turned into a manager issue anyway. This is infuriating. JUST SAY THE WILPONS NEED TO GO.
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 2:44:28 PM
#267:


The Wilpons are the issue. Jeff is the issue.

Jeff Wilpon is the manager.
Jeff Wilpon is the GM.
Jeff Wilpon is the head trainer.
Jeff Wilpon is everything in the org that he chooses to be.

Your owner should not be meddling at all, even to a tiny modicum of what Jeff Wilpon does. Yet he meddles in EVERY SINGLE ASPECT. Look at this quote again.

- "...though sources continue to insist that Jeff, in particular, is a meddlesome presence, heavily involved in the day-to-day operation of the club."

HOW is this not a major point of contention????? How is this not something that nothing is done about? No one in charge (MLB) should allow anything to be run this way.

They are the ones who refuse to let the budget go beyond whatever arbitrary amount they feel like and smudge the numbers to make it look like they are selling. They are the ones who make moves like claiming "WIN NOW" by trading the future for Cano's awful contract and Diaz, but then not following it up by making any more win now moves. They are the ones who when you literally only have 3 SPs, refuse to spend $3M on one, and instead trade a legit prospect to get a guy with a 15 ERA go to make 3 starts for you, or use the AAA Express to start one of the same 4-5 guys as fill ins over and over when they have never worked out in any start in the past.
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GeneralKenobi85
05/20/19 3:13:05 PM
#268:


I think most people involved with MLB and baseball realize the Mets have awful owners. They just don't feel as strongly as you do about needing them to be ousted. Even if they did, how would anyone go about it? You're right, maybe all these writers should be calling out ownership more severely than they do, but that's not going to suddenly make the Wilpons sell the team.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/20/19 3:26:00 PM
#269:


WiggumFan267 posted...
Do you think everyone in MLB already knows that Jeff and the rest of Mets ownership are unfit, meddlesome owners and they just dont care? Or are they unaware of how they are the sole reason for this organizations woes over the last 17 years?

They won't care as long as the Mets are making money. You are personally giving them money by watching them and going to games. You have no one to blame but yourself and God.
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 3:36:04 PM
#270:


GeneralKenobi85 posted...
I think most people involved with MLB and baseball realize the Mets have awful owners. They just don't feel as strongly as you do about needing them to be ousted. Even if they did, how would anyone go about it? You're right, maybe all these writers should be calling out ownership more severely than they do, but that's not going to suddenly make the Wilpons sell the team.


me? This is about what owners should and shouldn't be allowed to do. But anyway, you're saying that MLB realizing there are awful owners and saying "well thats ok", and isn't that a major issue? What does this have to do with how I feel? If they think the owners are awful and not doing anything about it, what does that say? As for the writers, I don't know, no one has ever written those articles. It's not going to make them sell, but it might put pressure on MLB to actually do something. It probably won't, but it could. No one has ever called them out point-of-order, on a high enough level to know what would happen. Actually, weren't writers calling out MLB to handle the McCourt situation when that shit went down? I'm not sure, but MLB has forced owners to sell before in the face of a monetary scandal. And it didn't when the Wilpons went through one. And they haven't yet with it being directly reported that the Wilpons interfere with their own operations in a way they shouldn't be doing. I want to see some goddamn action. This BEGS more national attention.

Nelson_Mandela posted...
They won't care as long as the Mets are making money. You are personally giving them money by watching them and going to games. You have no one to blame but yourself and God.


they don't need me or the fans to turn a profit. They make way more on ad revenue and naming rights and their TV deal and the likes than any other team in MLB by far. Me not going doesn't change a goddamn thing. I do go to far fewer (home) games than what I used to anyway. I go to more away games now, so I feel like I've addressed this anyway.

Also btw, since when it rains it pours, not only did the Mets call a starter to start tonight, then retract that 6 hours before the game, and announce another one like just now (merry-go-round of it not mattering who of the fill-ins starts), but hey, Seth Lugo, their best reliever besides Diaz to the DL with shoulder tendinitis. He was massively overused each of the last several seasons, so not a surprise.
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 3:42:32 PM
#271:


You can't make this about the fans. Don't victim blame. Hold the ones committing the crimes responsible.

Pointing out this quote again too:

"Any managerial change particularly one that occurs early in the second season of a three-year contract represents an organizational failure.

Organizational failure. Rosenthal believes the organization has failed (he's right obv, and way more than in just this aspect). But nothing will be done. It's a miscarriage of justice. The appropriate parties are not accepting blame or taking responsibility and they never will, as long as no one bothers to actually ASSIGN THE BLAME TO THEM, where due.

Y'all say them calling out the Wilpons won't do anything but how do you know if it's never been done?

sidenote also:
Hector Santiago (lmao) is the callup for Seth Lugo. He gets a pro-rated $2 million now that hes called up, this is by their choosing.that 2M could have instead, literally just as easily been given to Gio Gonzalez. But they didn't because....?
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Nelson_Mandela
05/20/19 3:44:50 PM
#272:


WiggumFan267 posted...
they don't need me or the fans to turn a profit. They make way more on ad revenue and naming rights and their TV deal and the likes than any other team in MLB by far.

Do you understand how ad revenue works? They make a lot of money on selling ad space because there are a ton of TV viewers/radio listeners. Stop watching the games (legally, at least) and you sink the value of the ad space.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/20/19 3:46:30 PM
#273:


WiggumFan267 posted...
You can't make this about the fans. Don't victim blame. Hold the ones committing the crimes responsible.

I'm not actually blaming the fans. I'm just saying the fans are collectively preventing anything from being done from an ownership perspective because they are still giving the Wilpons tons of money.

That's like when people bitch about Apple products but then keep buying the new iPhone. You have to put your money where your mouth is at some point if you really want change.
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 3:57:19 PM
#274:


something like a huge wide boycott just won't ever happen though. it's completely out of the realm of possibility. the attendance numbers are small and have been going down. i really don't think it makes a big difference. i'm sure it affects them to some degree but in the end, I doubt it would even do anything, unless like not a single person went to a game for 3+ years. and then what's going to happen? they'd probably just move the team or something. I really don't think that is the solution and it only serves as self-imposed punishment. This should not be the responsibility of the fans to worry about. And like I said, I don't really think it would do anything. They're already too big for something like that to affect them. They're also immune to being ousted via scandal apparently as Madoff's has shown, and the sexual discrimination lawsuit has shown.

I personally am not going to give up something I still enjoy, something that still gives me happiness when they win, and even when they don't because I still like going to games and listening to the broadcasters, nor should we have to.
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 4:02:21 PM
#275:


https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1130563108450258944

BREAKING: Yoenis Cespedes fractured his ankle in an accident on his ranch in Florida. No more info for now.


LMFFFFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OH MY GOD YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS UP

no organization in history is more fucked up than this one. there is no debate.
This is an organizational issue.
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 4:33:01 PM
#276:


My biggest hope is that this Cespedes thing doesn't distract writers from keeping their focus on the Wilpon issue. He likely wasn't coming back this season anyway. Also his heel injury he was recovering from previously was likely going to cause him to be not the same player anymore anyway, so can't rely on him
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GeneralKenobi85
05/20/19 4:33:18 PM
#277:


Yeah you can't tell fans to just not go to baseball games. It's just not feasible.

By the way, I do 100% agree the that Wilpons need to go. And I'd absolutely love if MLB were the ones to intervene and kick them out. I'm just saying that I can't ever see it happening.

As for Cespedes, that's both hilarious and sad. Pretty typical for the Mets.
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 4:47:20 PM
#278:


He wasn't coming back in 2019 anyway, but I assume this affects him for 2020 now...
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 5:03:48 PM
#279:


Mickey Callaway on Cano the other day, after he didn't run out a double play because he thought it was foul - "something that happens all the time", defending, making excuses for him, etc.

Today: "Cano is not playing because him not running out a DP ball is unacceptable"

gee it's almost like someone else is pulling the strings here
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 5:14:24 PM
#280:


Van Wagenen, I will be the one, along with the rest of the front office team, that will continue to make improvements to this roster as we go forward like we have today with the purchase of Hector Santiagos contract."

thats a real quote!!! obvious sock puppet
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 5:17:03 PM
#281:


WiggumFan267 posted...
Mickey Callaway on Cano the other day, after he didn't run out a double play because he thought it was foul - "something that happens all the time", defending, making excuses for him, etc.

Today: "Cano is not playing because him not running out a DP ball is unacceptable"

gee it's almost like someone else is pulling the strings here


https://twitter.com/NYPost_Mets/status/1130581871694352385

Cano says it was never mentioned to him that hes on the bench tonight partly for failing to run, as, Callaway told reporters. Cano seems to be under the impression this was a prearranged day off.


THE PLOT THICKENS!!!!!!!
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 5:45:37 PM
#282:


"If the Mets go after Cespedes' contract, I was told it's not out of the realm of possibility - depending on how the agreement is written - that Cespedes' agent from the deal would have to forfeit part of his commission. That agent would be Brodie Van Wagenen."

if this happens.... lmao.
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davidponte
05/20/19 5:53:31 PM
#283:


Mets gonna Met
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ExThaNemesis
05/20/19 5:57:54 PM
#284:


oh my god I'm so sorry Wigs
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WiggumFan267
05/20/19 6:44:36 PM
#285:


ExThaNemesis posted...
oh my god I'm so sorry Wigs


the Wilpon news of the day is far worse than the Cespedes news, so keep that in mind, that was just the topper..... but thanks lol

edit: I mean i guess the wilpon stuff wasn't really news, it was all stuff we knew just repackaged into a different article... but the idea that the manager will be let go soon (as he should) without any nod to whose fault it REALLY is ok anyway thats it.

im still watching bc im a lunatic
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Meow1000
05/20/19 10:25:17 PM
#286:


The Orioles truly put on a showcase of why they're a 15-31 team.
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GeneralKenobi85
05/20/19 10:27:59 PM
#287:


Yankees did a damn good job of fighting back all game. That missed pop up was a major gift though. It's amazing how well this team is doing. When they go into the 9th inning down now it's pretty much expected that they'll make a comeback.

Also Mets got a needed win.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/20/19 11:44:09 PM
#288:


Yankees are so damn good right now. I'm terrified of what will happen when Stanton and Didi come back (I have no doubts about Captain Judge).
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ExThaNemesis
05/20/19 11:45:58 PM
#289:


I feel like the Yankees are playing above their heads right now and while this is fun, there's no way it's sustainable.
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Nelson_Mandela
05/20/19 11:54:32 PM
#290:


ExThaNemesis posted...
I feel like the Yankees are playing above their heads right now and while this is fun, there's no way it's sustainable.

Me too. But on paper, they have a fresh contender waiting to get off the IL.
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GeneralKenobi85
05/21/19 12:27:36 AM
#291:


Yeah even if the magic subsides, they eventually get back some significant players that they currently lack. The American League is going to be really tough regardless. The good teams are really good. I fully expect the Astros and Red Sox to be tough competition. And even the Twins could be a serious threat despite the Yankees' past success against them.
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WiggumFan267
05/21/19 11:54:07 AM
#292:


the AL also has 4 truly terrible teams, while the NL only has 1 (the Nats record is terrible but they're a better team than that)
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davidponte
05/21/19 6:03:49 PM
#293:


go my truly terrible team
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Xuxon
05/21/19 6:21:03 PM
#294:


White Sox are probably worse than the Jays tbqh. when 3 of the 5 worst teams in all MLB are in the same division, one is bound to look not quite as bad.
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05/21/19 6:31:25 PM
#295:


WiggumFan267 posted...
the AL also has 4 truly terrible teams,

It's actually amazing that there are enough terrible teams to make the fucking Rangers look like an 'ok' team.
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RPGlord95
05/21/19 6:39:23 PM
#296:


Poor Blue Jays
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WiggumFan267
05/22/19 10:31:38 AM
#297:


a good win for the mets last night

pete alonso is a monster
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WiggumFan267
05/22/19 4:22:44 PM
#298:


Callaway, Sometimes you perform better when you have a little nagging injury.

um.... scuzi?
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WiggumFan267
05/22/19 4:24:13 PM
#299:


Oh, I see. Callaway has realized he's gonna get fired and gone insane.
Like 3 weeks ago he said he will NEVER use diaz for 4+ outs under any circumstance as you may recall in here I said. He also said at one point Dom Smith won't play any OF this year.

Now...

https://twitter.com/AnthonyDiComo/status/1131292584456933376

Mets are changing their tune on basically everything.

-Dom Smith will receive OF reps

-J.D. Davis is also an outfielder

-Edwin Diaz will be used for multi-inning saves

-Tomas Nido is essentially deGrom's personal catcher

The team was on the record against all this in April.

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WiggumFan267
05/22/19 6:19:34 PM
#300:


also Nimmo to the DL today. He had a neck issue a couple weeks ago, sat out 1 game, then played more anyway. But today said it had been affecting his performance, yet he was still playing anyway. Now he is on the DL for that very issue.

"Hmmmm".
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