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WiggumFan267
05/04/19 7:09:56 PM
#201:


GeneralKenobi85 posted...
At least Hechevarria should help out a bit with the Mets' atrocious defense. Dom's just been in an unfortunate situation this year. He's been good as a pinch hitter, but he's shown he deserves more than that. But there's just no room.


he'd settled very nicely into is PH role. He will never be a starter as long as Alonso is here. Putting him in the minors doesn't do anything.
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WiggumFan267
05/04/19 8:11:43 PM
#202:


and yeah Rosario has been a mess defensively. the offense has been struggling more lately though so now is not the time
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guffguy89
05/04/19 10:59:11 PM
#203:


nothing like a good, long extra inning game on Star Wars night. The kind that feel extra good when you win and extra bad when you lose.
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WiggumFan267
05/04/19 11:20:04 PM
#204:


WiggumFan267 posted...
and yeah Rosario has been a mess defensively.

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WiggumFan267
05/04/19 11:20:55 PM
#205:


guffguy89 posted...
nothing like a good, long extra inning game on Star Wars night. The kind that feel extra good when you win and extra bad when you lose.


these are the games I actually don't feel extra good either way. It's more like "ah its finally over" once you get to these points. I just marvel in the length cuz weird shit starts to happen. unless of course the loss comes on a frustrating error or something........
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WiggumFan267
05/04/19 11:36:30 PM
#206:


WiggumFan267 posted...
WiggumFan267 posted...
and yeah Rosario has been a mess defensively.

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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 12:33:47 AM
#207:


WiggumFan267 posted...
these are the games I actually don't feel extra good either way. It's more like "ah its finally over" once you get to these points. I just marvel in the length cuz weird shit starts to happen. unless of course the loss comes on a frustrating error or something........

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GeneralKenobi85
05/05/19 12:35:26 AM
#208:


Well that was a pretty brutal loss.
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 12:36:20 AM
#209:


GeneralKenobi85 posted...
Well that was a pretty brutal loss.

welcome to the life of a mets fan

fuck angel hernandez
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GeneralKenobi85
05/05/19 12:38:18 AM
#210:


Yeah Angel's strike zone seemed fine earlier and all of the sudden it just changed completely.
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guffguy89
05/05/19 12:50:45 AM
#211:


wow, what an exciting way to end it! 6 hit night for Ryan Braun!

Though that strike zone shrunk for us in our favor that inning.

That was officially the longest game at Miller Park.
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 12:33:10 PM
#212:


Holy shit, this is quite literally the single worst possible lineup the Mets could possibly run out there. Especially after a night like last night. Like I can't fucking even.

Hechavarria 4
Rosario 6
Nimmo 7
Alonso 3
Frazier 5
Broxton 9
Lagares 8
Nido 2
Vargas 1

I just want to be happy is that so much to ask
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GeneralKenobi85
05/05/19 1:18:27 PM
#213:


Are they just giving some of those players a break after last night? I don't see why they need to give both Conforto and McNeil a day off. And Rosario should have the day off as well, but I guess they preferred to give it to Cano instead. Weird lineup.
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 3:03:22 PM
#214:


indeed its a bad idea to give off days to multiple of your best players on the same day. but the mets only do things that are bad ideas.

also Frazier goddamn sucks, I hate his contract so much. He bobbled that throw from Nimmo on the sac fly play, would've had the runner nailed at 2nd if he didn't bobble it and ended the inning, of course yelich went deep very next AB.

and it will forever bother me that runs like these gets attributed to the pitcher and aren't considered "errors"
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 3:52:17 PM
#215:


Callaway before the game "we need to use Vargas to his maximum possible usage today to help save our bullpen"

Vargas is pinch hit for with 50 pitches in the 5th inning because of a hamstring injury.

See this rotten luck? on a day when the bullpen is completely taxed and need everything from their starter, after a huge long game for both teams, the Brewers get to have one of their best pitchers go and the mets have their worst, and he gets injured 50 pitches in and are gonna have to rely on their already taxed bullpen, and this will probably affect them for the next 3-4 games now.

so we got that going for us.
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 3:58:01 PM
#216:


not great news for the brewers either with Cain coming out after that HBP

was a spectacular catch he had before though. he literally makes one every game vs us. (i really wanted the mets to sign him when he was a FA but he costs $). nice for brewers fans they decided to go for it though when they got him and yelich
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 4:33:54 PM
#217:


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not great news for the brewers either with Cain coming out after that HBP

was a spectacular catch he had before though. he literally makes one every game vs us. (i really wanted the mets to sign him when he was a FA but he costs $). nice for brewers fans they decided to go for it though when they got him and yelich


x-rays neg btw
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 4:55:56 PM
#218:


if frazier doesnt bobble a simple throw from nimmo, or broxton doesnt let a fly ball go over his head (or if the mets actually score some gd runs) then the mets probably win this game
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 5:20:45 PM
#219:


"Steven Matz is on his way back to NY. Callaway says he has a nerve issue in his forearm. Mickey says hes been battling it for two weeks, but was unable to throw his most recent bullpen."

lmfao

on top of vargas' hammy issue

good thing that our GM and ownership knew we had no pitching depth and properly addressed i-.

a day will never go by where the mets don't have bad news. everything always happens at the worst possible time, and the results will always be self-inflicted, as it was in this case. this was totally preventable, and now it's too late. they chose to spend 3M on their 8th backup middle infielder instead of a 6th pitcher. every day is rock bottom. every day is the worst case scenario. it will never get better.
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GeneralKenobi85
05/05/19 5:23:46 PM
#220:


Do you really want it to get better? You sure do seem to enjoy complaining.

But Mets are fortunate they're in the division they're in. Despite all the issues they have they'll probably still be competitive for most of the season.
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 5:27:32 PM
#221:


GeneralKenobi85 posted...
Do you really want it to get better? You sure do seem to enjoy complaining.


so you think I shouldnt complain about 2 of our pitchers getting hurt on the same day and be ok with our ownership and front office not doing anything to address any depth in the offseason despite the fact that every single starter on the roster is highly injury prone? and when they instead spent what tight budget they have for the biggest market in the world on a glut of middle infielders? you dont think a fan should complain about that?
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 5:29:02 PM
#222:


GeneralKenobi85 posted...
But Mets are fortunate they're in the division they're in. Despite all the issues they have they'll probably still be competitive for most of the season.

they'll be the 2nd worst team in the NL before the end of the month. they are in a very tough division that has faced mostly itself. it is unfortunate they are in this division, but at this point, it doesn't matter, they're losing to everyone.
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 5:30:35 PM
#223:


what about anything i said makes it seem like I enjoy complaining? is it the part where I talk about abject misery and suffering every day I follow this damn team?
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 5:31:34 PM
#224:


if I didn't let out my suffering and complaints here and bottled it up instead I'd be on suicide watch
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WiggumFan267
05/05/19 5:48:11 PM
#225:


by the way, they said they knew about Matz's issue for 2 weeks. But they still thought that Gio Gonzalez was not worth 3M because "he would not pitch in the rotation"

i shouldn't complain about that though right? Complaining about that means I like to complain.
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GeneralKenobi85
05/05/19 8:26:21 PM
#226:


I was kidding. Thought it was obvious but guess I should have indicated that at the end of my post like I was originally going to do.

Not signing Gio was a big mistake. The most sensible thing to do now probably is shell out the money for Keuchel. But obviously that's not happening.
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WiggumFan267
05/06/19 10:40:07 AM
#227:


oh, that was def not obvious to me heh, sorry

Not just Gio. Anyone, during the offseason. Jed Lowrie is finally going to get here this week probably, another middle infielder. His deal was good but it makes no sense when your team is on a significant budget and already has tons of them. So now what? It's probably going to be JD Davis as the roster casualty, because none of the rest of the bench has options remaining (or is a backup catcher). And he's been the best bench bat against lefties, but it doesn't make sense to option anyone else but Hechavarria which they aren't gonna do obv cuz they just brought him up to send down Smith so this really was just awful awful planning in every way.
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GeneralKenobi85
05/06/19 2:15:45 PM
#228:


And the reason I said I think their division helps is that they still play the division pretty well. And they also have the worst team in baseball to feast on (though the Marlins usually do well against the Mets).
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WiggumFan267
05/06/19 4:00:34 PM
#229:


The wilpons are literally content to do nothing and watch the captain go down with the ship.

Vargas and Matz are both going to be out a couple weeks minimum, they are going to be at 3 starters and their response to it is to call up the same batch of 4-5 guys they always call up when this happens - Flexen/Gagnon/Oswalt and the likes, and they are always horrible. They're not doing anything about it. This is a team that acted to "win now" by trading away its future and they literally refuse to spend any more. I really don't understand how MLB can allow owners to complete ruin its team like this. If this were a team that was not trying to "win now" it would make sense to do what they are doing. But you don't sell away your whole future and then when you have to fix a leak in the boat , throw it in the trash.
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WiggumFan267
05/07/19 12:39:56 AM
#230:


more no offense today
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GeneralKenobi85
05/07/19 10:15:50 AM
#231:


Yeah as much as they need starting pitching depth, that's not going to help if they can't hit. Although that Padres pitcher seems like he's going to be really good.

As for the Yankees, things are looking pretty good. They keep winning and the injured players are starting to trickle back in.
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WiggumFan267
05/07/19 11:43:47 AM
#232:


Chili Davis, the Mets hitting coach, has quite some brunt to bear I think.Guys like Ramos are overhitting groundballs , and guys like him should be trying to drive the ball/hit for launch angle, not trying to have groundball rates, since he's never going to beat out infield hits and has the power to hit the ball off the wall. But Chili is an old-school guy, unwilling to change his ways or adapt to the way the game is now. He is purely emphasized on contact, not launch angle. But this is being too applied to every mets hitter, seemingly regardless of their own strengths, or game situation. This kind of hitting style is not sustainable, its why the Mets offense looked good at first, but eventually just hitting a lot of groundballs is going to kill you, especially in this day and age with infield shifting. The game has changed from when Chili played and his failure to adapt is costly.

The Mets love hiring these old-school , non-data, unwilling to adapt guys though. So it's on them.

If you care, I recommend looking through this short thread- https://twitter.com/PSLToFlushing/status/1125779476321853443

there are some smart bloggers in there who I like to follow with some good, somewhat varying opinions about how he has affected the team, and looking more too at the players themselves (most specifically Ramos) who has struggled this year.

He's a usually consistent year to year .260/.300/.450 kind of hitter- he comes very close to those numbers almost every year, but this year he is .236/.299/.292

He's slugging .292!!! Look at his B-R Page:
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/ramoswi01.shtml

How is his slugging so far down from every other year? I know it's early but this is enough of a sample size now to show something is up. It's because he has a hitting coach that is trying to get him to hit groundballs. And it's badly affecting him because he isn't that kind of player!
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WiggumFan267
05/07/19 11:51:24 AM
#233:


Even in Ramos' worst year , he slugged .358. Why is is slugging so far down this year? Sure he's slumping right now but that's apparent in his AVG. His avg is lower than usual, but even in years when is AVG is down, his SLG is still up (his low OBP this year is consistent with years past so that's not a worry).

The fact his SLG dropped way off with his average instead of remaining high shows really clearly there is an approach issue.
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GeneralKenobi85
05/07/19 11:55:32 AM
#234:


Yeah people immediately criticized Davis when he was hired. But the Mets were hitting at the beginning of the season. They just totally stopped.
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WiggumFan267
05/07/19 12:08:50 PM
#235:


That's totally results driven is the issue. You can't just say because the Mets are hitting that they are actually good offensively. They were just getting lucky with BABIP. The #s could tell you what they were doing was not sustainable, specifically because they hit too many groundballs. That is not a recipe for success in this day and age. Maybe for some players it is better, but with the smartness of shifting, and stronger defensive infields , you in general want to be hitting far less groundballs. But that is exactly Chili Davis's MO. And he will not adapt.

It's less so the Mets stopped hitting and moreso the numbers finally regressed to the mean of what was expected to happen given the approach they have taken (or been forced upon them).
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WiggumFan267
05/07/19 12:59:46 PM
#236:


a lot of players that had a good year last year are struggling this year (Cano, Nimmo, Ramos... Conforto not counting his 2018 b/c he was injured- but his 2017). But almost everyone who struggled last year is not still struggling. So you can't just attribute it to streakiness, else you'd have some players coming back from struggling, and some struggling after a good year last year instead of basically just the latter.

going around the diamond

Ramos - already talked about at length. SLG is way lower than it should be even given the low average for "seemingly no reason" (theres a reason)

Alonso - not here last year (awful idea btw, and theyre paying for it now, since he's having his first real slump)

Cano - down year (age? prob not, age hadn't stopped him before. hitting style?)

Rosario - was good offensively last couple months, and remains pretty good now.

Frazier - bad last year, still bad. shouldnt be starting

McNeil - still doing what he's doing last year, lots of line drives. little mini slump now but is fine overal

Nimmo - suffering horribly from last year. Walk rate is still ok but striking out way more for his already high K rate. Hits aren't coming when he does make contact

Conforto - he is actually a little better than last year RN, but his injury slowed him down badly last year. should be closer to his All Star 2017 numbers, but hes not there yet. injury maybe is still affecting him, 2 years removed. In a small slump right now.

Smith- the only truly improved player from last year, finally finding himself, hitting, thriving in a pinch hitting role. Was demoted last week so the mets could save $1M on Hechavarria

Davis- actually he's improved too, good PH role in hitting lefties. He's proabably going to be sent to the minors once Lowrie comes back next week. Gotta play your sunk costs. (Lowrie should be here instead of Frazier but that will obv never happen).

Lagares - Bad hitter last year. Bad hitter this year. He's a bad hitter. Defensively still great.

Broxton - see lagares.

didn't include the small sample size guys
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WiggumFan267
05/07/19 1:05:38 PM
#237:


(I'm still overblowing the Hech thing, and they had to call him up or else they'd lose him but they timed it to save 1M on him and it came at smith's expense when it could've been someone else)
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Esuriat
05/07/19 5:18:35 PM
#238:


There was a rumor spread by a Baltimore attorney that an anonymous person has a $3 billion offer laid out for the Orioles and intends to move them to Las Vegas.

Of course there's nothing to back that up beyond his word and the Orioles current lease for Camden Yards expiring in 2021. I feel like such offers are pretty much always going to sit around out there. The Rays, A's, Marlins and any other possibly "affordable" team have almost certainly gotten windfall about anonymous interest to consider.

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WiggumFan267
05/08/19 12:09:03 AM
#239:


Esuriat posted...
There was a rumor spread by a Baltimore attorney


it's not true
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WiggumFan267
05/08/19 1:57:28 AM
#240:


holy fucking shit that mets win today

that was the most depressing thing followed by the most exciting thing followed by the most oh my god kill me i want to die thing followed by the thank god its over and I have no feelings left thing

alonso's bomb was absolutely pulverized to tie it. diaz comes in with the 2 run lead and comes as close as humanly possible to blowing it, nearly blowing his first save in over 2 years in the process, and then the last play of the game , routine grounder to rosario too who has been by far the worst defensive player (or SS at least) in baseball this year and you just cant breathe for like 10 hours

jesus

i recommend a recap of that game, i cant do it justice enough
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WiggumFan267
05/08/19 2:00:12 AM
#241:


and then with the whole weird thing with paddack yesterday with him being so fired up and hating Pete Alonso because he thought he shouldve won Rookie of the Month, not Alonso (like... imagine getting so angry at a player because they won literally just Rookie of the Month), that he was like overly celebrating each time he got him out (which doesn't bother me at all, except for the ire that was drawn to Alonso by fans... it's just weird)

so with all this apparent drama with that situation and everything, man

also pete nearly killed the umpire with his bat flip lol
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WiggumFan267
05/08/19 2:38:26 AM
#242:


oh yeah also Fiers threw a no hitter tonight I guess thats pretty meaningful too huh
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Esuriat
05/08/19 11:22:43 AM
#243:


WiggumFan267 posted...

it's not true


Oh, I know. I'm just saying that the existence of such offers seems like they would naturally be dangled out there for many teams nearing the end of a stadium lease, or he's discussed the concept with other attorneys. The idea that it would truly be considered is another matter. It's an absolute non-story and WJZ (the Baltimore Orioles' official radio station) issued an apology for publicizing it.
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05/08/19 4:12:00 PM
#244:


So how long until the Yankees core lineup returns and their batting average drops by a hundred points?
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WiggumFan267
05/08/19 5:27:51 PM
#245:


Esuriat posted...
WiggumFan267 posted...

it's not true


Oh, I know. I'm just saying that the existence of such offers seems like they would naturally be dangled out there for many teams nearing the end of a stadium lease, or he's discussed the concept with other attorneys. The idea that it would truly be considered is another matter. It's an absolute non-story and WJZ (the Baltimore Orioles' official radio station) issued an apology for publicizing it.


i was just making a lawyer joke lol
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WiggumFan267
05/08/19 5:31:13 PM
#246:


Also, in the wake of Addison Russell being re-instated by the Cubs today, reminder that they have handled this whole situation so awful and grossly... ownership and Russell himself has pushed this as a redemption story and as his sexual assault as a "challenge" that he is trying to overcome by playing good baseball and using the dislike for him as "motivation". He's using his sexual assault, which he barely showed any remorse for and it's like he's just trying to focus on baseball without any care to what he did, as a personal motivator for his talent. Like how fucking gross is that?

https://twitter.com/ESPNChiCubs/status/1126233443677945857
According to Theo, Russell was moved by actor Terry Crews journey.


Terry Crews.... victim of sexual assault
Russell, unapologetic sexual assaulter, comparing himself to a victim of sexual assault, and cubs ownership pushing this.

Russell and the Epsteins are garbage humans.
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guffguy89
05/10/19 5:54:23 PM
#247:


WiggumFan267 posted...
Also, in the wake of Addison Russell being re-instated by the Cubs today, reminder that they have handled this whole situation so awful and grossly... ownership and Russell himself has pushed this as a redemption story and as his sexual assault as a "challenge" that he is trying to overcome by playing good baseball and using the dislike for him as "motivation". He's using his sexual assault, which he barely showed any remorse for and it's like he's just trying to focus on baseball without any care to what he did, as a personal motivator for his talent. Like how fucking gross is that?

https://twitter.com/ESPNChiCubs/status/1126233443677945857
According to Theo, Russell was moved by actor Terry Crews journey.


Terry Crews.... victim of sexual assault
Russell, unapologetic sexual assaulter, comparing himself to a victim of sexual assault, and cubs ownership pushing this.

Russell and the Epsteins are garbage humans.


I saw Russell in the lineup today and was wondering when/how he got reinstated. I wasn't following the story at all, so seeing him back in the lineup was a bit confusing. Makes the 7-0 whooping we gave them even more satisfying.

WiggumFan267 posted...
oh yeah also Fiers threw a no hitter tonight I guess thats pretty meaningful too huh


Man, I wish he was still a Brewer. I think he took a no hitter deep into the 7th or 8th inning once when he played with us. I know we traded him for someone, I don't remember who, but I'm feeling like it wasnt worth it.
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05/10/19 11:55:42 PM
#248:


July 30, 2015: Traded by the Milwaukee Brewers with Carlos Gomez and cash to the Houston Astros for Josh Hader, Adrian Houser, Brett Phillips and Domingo Santana.

well, definitely worth it
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WiggumFan267
05/10/19 11:57:29 PM
#249:


went to the mets game tonight, a drubbing of the marlins. good for me to finally get in the win column when I go this year. I'm 1-2. if only we could play the marlins every day
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TheKnightOfNee
05/11/19 8:55:52 PM
#250:


oh ya go my tigers, beat the twins
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