Board 8 > 2019 Baseball Topic #1 Opening Day #2

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Well at least the Mets are scoring a ton of runs. And their competition is having similar pitching issues. Literally everything is going wrong for the Yankees.
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The Mets are literally the Rangers, just with at least one legtimately good pitcher?

Red Sox DFA Swihart
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Bird is now out for at least a month.

The Yankees now have like 15 players on the IL.

*drinks self into a stupor*
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Yellich owns the Cardinals right now. I'm surprised they just dont walk him every at bat.
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oh ya go my tigers

Back to .500
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TheKnightOfNee posted...

oh ya go my tigers

Back to .500

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Mets news: Jacob deGrom is headed back to New York for an MRI. His elbow was barking after playing catch today, Mickey Callaway said.

lol @ everyone who thinks the mets aren't cursed

(its ownership though)
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This is literally only the Mets. They did a FULL PHYSICAL on him 3 weeks ago when they extended him. THREE WEEKS LATER elbow has an issue.

ONLY THE FUCKING METS
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WiggumFan267 posted...

His elbow was barking

Woof
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indeed
no other teams signs a star player to a huge 5 year extension and 3 weeks later they have a major elbow issue.
woof.

like its not out of the realm of reason the wilpons knew this and only extended him to collect insurance money, and make it look like they were trying to spend.
they've already done this twice with wright and cespedes, use the insurance as an excuse not to spend.
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WiggumFan267 posted...

indeed
no other teams signs a star player to a huge 5 year extension and 3 weeks later they have a major elbow issue.

Well, the Red Sox just did this with Sale and something's wrong with him.
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oh everyone falls apart these days after being extended.
but elbow injuries lets wait and see!
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a good way today though despite a vargas start!
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The vast amount of injuries across MLB really does kill some of the joy of baseball. It's unfortunate, but there's nothing that can be done. At least not yet.
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Rangers remain above .500 despite getting blown out last night

As a reminder, they've already spent more time above .500 this year than they did all of last year. A lot more.

oh cool Judge heading to the IL now with an oblique injury. this may be worse than the Mets now.
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Hi there kill me please
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This is the first Yankees injury that has affected my fantasy team and thus the first one that I am upset about.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

The vast amount of injuries across MLB really does kill some of the joy of baseball. It's unfortunate, but there's nothing that can be done. At least not yet.

I made this post just a few hours before that Judge injury happened. God dammit.
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We need to seriously bring PEDs back
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pete alonso doesn't need them holy moly dude just keeps murdering baseballs

(also I know you mean for injury prevention but the baseball is clearly juiced again anyway)
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Oh ya my tigerz Easter winners
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Rangers are up 7-1 after three innings

Wonder how they'll blow this one

man, the mets pitching is so broken. all of it. I think every single pitcher in the entire staff is having the worst year of their career so far (except Diaz). Even Vargas, which is saying a ton.
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The Rangers did their damndest to blow it

but Chirinos thankfully Chirinos'd with bases loaded in the top of the 9th and they won 11-10 after extending the lead to 10-1 in the 4th

WiggumFan267 posted...

man, the mets pitching is so broken. all of it. I think every single pitcher in the entire staff is having the worst year of their career so far (except Diaz). Even Vargas, which is saying a ton.

Wheeler is starting to come around. Matz only had one bad start so far, although it was a really bad one. And the bullpen seems pretty typical so far except for Familia. He's been awful for sure.
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ninkendo posted...

Oh ya my tigerz Easter winners

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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

WiggumFan267 posted...

man, the mets pitching is so broken. all of it. I think every single pitcher in the entire staff is having the worst year of their career so far (except Diaz). Even Vargas, which is saying a ton.

Wheeler is starting to come around. Matz only had one bad start so far, although it was a really bad one. And the bullpen seems pretty typical so far except for Familia. He's been awful for sure.

they have the worst starter ERA in the NL, 0.60 points away from the team 2 spots above them, and the 2nd worst bullpen ERA in the NL. Their pitching up and down is a disaster right now. Wheeler had 2 cataclysmic starts followed by 2 fine starts. I wouldn't call that coming around yet. Matz's most recent start is more typical of the kind of pitcher he is - as soon as he gets in trouble he falls apart. Noah has been extremely bad, and deGrom has been affected by his elbow issue apparently.

The bullpen is 10000000% not "pretty typical" unless you mean their bullpen is typically a disaster (which it is a lot tbf). It's like no one in the bullpen can get an out except for Diaz, and its so badly managed by Callaway. Everyone in the bullpen has been awful. Everyone in the rotation has been awful.

You also seem to have ignored Vargas who has made several appearances, and Flexen who had to make a spot start yetserday, and as of now is the first "go to guy" to start when they need a fill in guy (which will be very often given injuries and needing to get pushed back a day and the like). This team cannot claim they are competing when they are auto-punting every 5th day with Vargas, plus punting anytime one of the other 4 doesn't make a start with Flexen or whatever non-MLB player they call up to fill-in. This means the other 4 have to be 100% healthy and never struggle. Well they're already injured and all of them are struggling and they don't have a single piece of depth to help them.

That's not "all-in". That's called "lying" when you say you're all-in.
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You know I already agreed with you on Vargas. And I didn't say their pitching was good. But saying everyone is having the worst year of their career right now is a bit of a stretch. Syndergaard seems to be the one underperforming the hardest out of the starters. And the bullpen seems pretty much as unreliable as it was most of last year, with Diaz being the exception. So I'd consider that pretty typical.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

But saying everyone is having the worst year of their career right now is a bit of a stretch

check their ERAs if you don't believe me. 4/5 starters have a worse ERA than in any other year in their careers. Plus, we have an empty spot because we have to use AAA guys like Flexen who are not MLB-caliber pitchers. This is completely unacceptable for a team claiming it is trying to compete, to not have any depth to back up this exact situation - injuries and/or struggling.
the pitching is awful right now, bottom 2 in the league for both starters and bullpen, as I explained already.

The bullpen being "pretty much as unreliable as it was most of last year" ... yeah. What does last year have to do with anything? Typical? I'm saying the bullpen is awful and not a single person in it except Diaz can reliably throw strikes. So, I'm confused. Are you agreeing with me its awful?
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and yes I know its early and the ERAs are going to be prone to large changes, but right now, they are pitching terribly and have no depth to back them up. they have to pitch better but the front office and owners failure to commit to go all-in set them up to fail. that goes for both starters and bullpen.
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Baseball season doesn't truly start for me until I read the first Wigs rant.
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For all his bitching, Wigs's team still has about as many wins as mine

And the Rangers are dramatically overperforming

But for all of his bitching you'd think he was a Royals or Marlins fan lmao

WiggumFan267 posted...

GeneralKenobi85 posted...

But saying everyone is having the worst year of their career right now is a bit of a stretch

check their ERAs if you don't believe me. 4/5 starters have a worse ERA than in any other year in their careers. Plus, we have an empty spot because we have to use AAA guys like Flexen who are not MLB-caliber pitchers. This is completely unacceptable for a team claiming it is trying to compete, to not have any depth to back up this exact situation - injuries and/or struggling.
the pitching is awful right now, bottom 2 in the league for both starters and bullpen, as I explained already.

The bullpen being "pretty much as unreliable as it was most of last year" ... yeah. What does last year have to do with anything? Typical? I'm saying the bullpen is awful and not a single person in it except Diaz can reliably throw strikes. So, I'm confused. Are you agreeing with me its awful?

Of course I'm agreeing it's awful. I do think the starters will improve though. If they don't then hopefully their offense can keep them competitive.

I am still optimistic about the Mets this year, but not too optimistic. I was totally wrong last season. So this time I picked them to miss the playoffs even before this one started.
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All I'm trying to say is the pitching has been awful to this point - which it has - and they have zero depth, which is not something a team that promises to be all-in should be doing. That's all.

I'm looking at you reg. This isn't about number of wins. This is about making franchise-altering moves that indicate a start to trying to win now and then failing to follow through by not having the proper backing depth. A team that rolls out Jason Vargas every 5th day is *not* what it can to win. Nor is one that only has 4 guys capable of starting a game. Not when they could've signed any one of the Gios or Keuchels that were available during the off-season...... or the ones that are still available.
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(also they're doing well tonight- Matz was good and bullpen good so far knock on wood)

kinda wish phillies (and everyone else's) relievers would stop plunking our guys on the hands though
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I still hold all my original predictions btw of the Mets winning the division :)
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Final score

Detroit Tigers 7
Boston Red Sox 4

Oh ya go my tigerz 2nd game of the double header in a few hours
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hope this isn't the 3rd series in a row where the mets win the first game and lose the next 2
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WiggumFan267 posted...

hope this isn't the 3rd series in a row where the mets win the first game and lose the next 2

narrator: it wasn't
Wheeler now has more good than bad at least , and Matz too. So there's that. The 4 of them should all bounce back long term, but what they did last year was something that def is suspicious of regression, as the first 3 weeks have shown us, and why they def still need depth.

Jacob Rhame is so bad though. Threw a pitch that went over Hoskins head, 9-0 in the 9th, clearly no intent (nor any reason for it), but Hoskins glared at him a bit and benches emptied... nothing happened. Then it happened again 3 pitches later. Benches didn't even move. It's clear he's just got Mets bullpenitis.
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Final score

Detroit Tigers 4
Boston Red Sox 2

Doubleheader double winner
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Can we fast forward to 2020 season
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WiggumFan267 posted...

WiggumFan267 posted...

hope this isn't the 3rd series in a row where the mets win the first game and lose the next 2

narrator: it wasn't
Wheeler now has more good than bad at least , and Matz too. So there's that. The 4 of them should all bounce back long term, but what they did last year was something that def is suspicious of regression, as the first 3 weeks have shown us, and why they def still need depth.

Jacob Rhame is so bad though. Threw a pitch that went over Hoskins head, 9-0 in the 9th, clearly no intent (nor any reason for it), but Hoskins glared at him a bit and benches emptied... nothing happened. Then it happened again 3 pitches later. Benches didn't even move. It's clear he's just got Mets bullpenitis.

I wonder if the Phillies try anything tomorrow.

Anyway, Yankees are surprisingly looking really good right now. German is having a great start tonight.
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GeneralKenobi85 posted...

I wonder if the Phillies try anything tomorrow.

I hope not. I don't want to see any of that macho shit. The last thing we need now is for someone to get hurt. Also it's baseball, not boxing. Hoskins seemed pretty ticked after the game. I guess its possible Rhame tried to him on purpose (worst case, he wanted to hit his back but missed high) but it's more likely he was just trying to pitch tight inside and missed, since the Phillies had been pitching us tight and inside (and missing) our last 5 games.

Anyway.

tweet from Rosenthal this morning says the Brewers are the frontrunners to sign Gio Gonzalez.
Again,completely unacceptable that the Wilpons are unwilling to spend on GIO who is not costly at all, let alone someone like Keuchel , who would immensely help this team, to give the much-needed depth. Again, the man have designated as their 5th starter, they could not trust to go more than 75 pitches in an outing where he looked his best (because they know he starts struggling badly 3rd time through the order). You cannot go through a full season with a guy you can't trust to throw more than 75 pitches under any circumstance as your 5th starter, when you have literally zero options for any starters beyond your 5th. He costs ONLY money. It's completely baseball-criminal to do what the Wilpons are doing to this team.

I suspect Brodie will address it at some point, but it'll probably be via a trade where they have to give up solid prospects in order to bring in a mediocre veteran (along the lines of Gio)... but the fact it has to come to that is bullshit. They do this all the time and it's why their farm system is usually terrible- because they're giving up players they shouldn't have to all the damn time when they can solve their issues just by paying for some goddamn depth. It's almost like they care more about money than winning. Ugh.
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https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1121084972239081473

oh my god he signed for only 1 year/2M with the Brewers

JUST 2 MILLION

This was TOO EXPENSIVE for the Wilponzis when the Mets BADLY NEEDED a depth piece as badly as anyone else, if not more. This is so fucked up. They weren't even in on him at such a cheap price. They are such criminals.
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good job on saving money mets
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Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd now the reports are saying the Mets were out on him because they wanted to use him in the bullpen more instead of a starting role and he wanted to start. aka they'd intend to keep JASON FUCKING VARGAS in the rotation over Gio. Like, what the actual fuck???????? Either they are completely bald-faced fucking liars or quite literally the fucking stupidest people to ever run a fucking sports team in the history of sports.

Someone explain to me how you can justify not signing Gio because you'd rather have Vargas start over him? Like what the fucking shit. I fucking hate this organization.

The Wilpons are fucking extinguishing the Mets. its absolutely fucking disgusting and unforgivable they were not in on this at that price, and for their shitty "reasoning" (which was probably just an excuse to not spend fucking chump change)
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It's 100% about the money. No one could possibly be that stupid to prefer Vargas starting over Gio, if you had both. $2M too much for an "all-in" team that isn't in the top half of payroll (not counting the Wright/Cespedes insurance money they're wrongfully counting on the payroll of course).

Brodie van Wagenen said he was going to change the Mets culture. He was a liar. Just a dude covering for the Wilpons greedy fucking bullshit, so cheap that even something this obvious and this cheap, they won't do.
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"Mets viewed Gio as a marginal upgrade over Vargas at best"
The Mets "Didn't want to eat a bad contract"

IT WAS FUCKING TWO MILLION FUCKING DOLLARS. If you truly believe he was a "marginal upgrade" (and we know the 'at best' part means they did at least actually view Gio as better), a team that is "All-in" can fucking afford to spend 2M on an upgrade. SO WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T THEY?

IT'S BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAVE FUCKING 2M IN THEIR FUCKIGN BUDGET DESPITE BEING AN "ALL-IN" TEAM WHILE BEING FUCKING BOTTOM HALF OF THE LEAGUE IN PAYROLL - and before you throw spotrac or some shit at me that shows the mets at like 8th or something in payroll please don't forget this counts like $35M they're receiving in insurance money to pay Wright and Cespedes' contract which they are allowed to count against payroll even though they're barely paying a dime on it).

god FUCK this org .LITERALLY REFUSING TO SPEND 2M on someone that would be of SIGNIFICANT HELP to this team. shit like this is why i go on these batshit fucking insane rants- because the immense stupidity and cheapness of my lying fucking team I love drives me to it
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