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azuarc
03/23/19 5:04:39 PM
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How do you think retirement should be determined? - Results (42 votes)
Any song retires that wins in the 4th round, including the first round (3.5 wins)
40.48% (17 votes)
17
Any song retires that wins in the 4th round, not counting the "play-in" round (4.5 wins)
26.19% (11 votes)
11
Any song retires that wins 4 matches, regardless of whether they have a bye
14.29% (6 votes)
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Retire them all! Every song that was in this contest, never to be seen again! Yahahaha!
9.52% (4 votes)
4
*munches on bracket* om nom...wut? I haz bracket now. Go away.
9.52% (4 votes)
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The nominations are over, the songs have been crudely assembled, and that means it's time for the moment everyone's been waiting for since this time last year....THE BRACKET!

http://www.bracketmaker.com/tlist.cfm?tid=471679

Ta-da.

There's a lot to be said about the bracket, as with every year, but let's bang out the other important stuff first.

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Important Links:
Spreadsheet - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17rEeB1_oYWgryWzIxOaZXw2a381gKGnMegjHCG_2OTQ
Playlist of songs - https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLW9O9mntH1RF28glW72G6s_5M1e4kcSxR
Past History Sheet: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1K1XdLWiUKB2kX99qYBgnRbLU_sCz4dvZSByKKJHCT6o/

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So what happens now?

Now we do our favorites brackets. On bracketmaker, create an account, pick the option to make predictions, and then fill out a bracket. Oh, and be sure to wail and gnash your teeth at how horribly cruel the bracket is and how the placement of every single song sucks. (Also, thank Mycro for helping me out this year. 192 is a much bigger bracket and I don't think I'd have finished this in a timely manner on my own.)

While I will leave the predictions for Bracket A open for a few days into the contest, you'll want to wrap them up ASAP because we will begin the contest on Wednesday, March 27th.

Each topic will consist of three matches, all coming from the main bracket this year. You listen to each song, decide which one is better, and vote for it. Most popular song advances. Matches remain active for twenty-four hours -- or as close to it as we can reasonably manage. So don't blow a day off unless you're okay missing those songs. 192 songs means 191 matches, so we've got to keep this train moving!

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How do matches work?

Very simply. Listen to the songs. Post your favorite. You don't have to vote in all of the day's matches. You DO have to be able to say with a clean conscience that you listened to both songs, even if you already know how you intend to vote. I will disqualify votes from users with suspicious voting trends. (RIP Megalovania.)

This year's bracket has byes, which we've never done before, so a third of the songs won't even show up in round 1. But nothing else changes. Make sure you check in each day to which new songs are up on the cutting block and advance your favorites.

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I hope you all enjoy the contest.
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Video Game Music Contest 12 winner: Ys 8 - Sunshine Coastline
NFUN
03/23/19 5:04:51 PM
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You and I don't get along
Go on back to where you belong
Let's just split go different ways because I have nothing more to say
And on that note, I'm outta here
Hope I made it very clear
I've got a lot of things to do my friends and I'm not sure where to begin
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Video Game Music Contest 13 winner: Terraria Calamity - Servants of the Scourge
Janus5k
03/23/19 5:07:27 PM
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How do you think retirement should be determined?


other: all songs that advance one round further than Id ~ Purpose
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pyresword
03/23/19 5:07:32 PM
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I think we should have the same number of retirees as last year, which I think is option 2?

Option 3 is a bad idea imo, because it punishes the higher seeded songs.
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pyresword
03/23/19 5:07:53 PM
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Janus5k posted...
How do you think retirement should be determined?


other: all songs that advance one round further than Id ~ Purpose

Actually never mind I vote this
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Haste_2
03/23/19 5:14:22 PM
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Definitely NOT option 3, as that wouldn't be fair. To make it far in a tournament it means you are the best of a group of pieces. To allow one song to get retired as the best of 24 and another to be retired as the best of 12 is BAD!

Either option 1 or 2 is fine. With option 1 you have to be the best of 12 to get retired. With option 2 you have to be the best of 24 to get retired.

In a normal bracket you have to be the best of 16 to retired, correct?

Oh, and be sure to wail and gnash your teeth at how horribly cruel the bracket is and how the placement of every single song sucks

Maybe in future contests it would easier for you to deal with if people gnash their teeth about what the randomizer has done instead? That way it's less personal, ya know.... =P

Thanks for your hard work, azuarc, Mycro, and others....
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Hbthebattle
03/23/19 5:30:31 PM
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I vote option 1- I'd say the more retired songs, the better for the contest's health.
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Patience.
KCF0107
03/23/19 5:52:01 PM
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I [do not] like how all of my nominations were put in the same bracket.
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Mac Arrowny
03/23/19 6:18:40 PM
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pyresword posted...
I think we should have the same number of retirees as last year, which I think is option 2?

Option 3 is a bad idea imo, because it punishes the higher seeded songs.


Why would we have the same number of retirees when the bracket is 50% bigger?
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azuarc
03/23/19 6:32:48 PM
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I knew I was forgetting something...

If you can't be present for a match and want to place advanced votes, message them to me. I don't want anyone to be left out, especially on a match that's important to them, just because they can't be home that day.
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Video Game Music Contest 12 winner: Ys 8 - Sunshine Coastline
Haste_2
03/23/19 6:39:55 PM
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Thanks for the reminder. I'll be sure to utilize that sometime.
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Congrats to Advokaiser on pwning me in CBX!
NFUN
03/23/19 7:05:00 PM
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listening party in the discord in soon
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Video Game Music Contest 13 winner: Terraria Calamity - Servants of the Scourge
Team Rocket Elite
03/23/19 7:14:00 PM
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Janus5k posted...
How do you think retirement should be determined?


other: all songs that advance one round further than Id ~ Purpose


This so when it wins it not only grinches every other song, but it can come back for the repeat win.
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Link isn't the only one who kicks ass.
Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Contest!
pyresword
03/23/19 7:55:24 PM
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All right favorites brackets done, with the disclaimer that I only remember about half of the songs. The ones that make it far are probably right, but there's likely a number of r1 matches I chose incorrectly.

Here's hoping more than one of my division winners even wins its first match.
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pyresword
03/23/19 7:57:07 PM
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Oh wait I thought I picked Life Will Change in division 1 (which will likely win a match, I hope?), but I guess I went with Snake Eater.

Here's hoping any of my division winners even wins its first match.
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xp1337
03/23/19 8:06:49 PM
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Tag.

still very mad that two of my noms face each other in round 1 (Desire Blue Sky/Passion) then get It Has To Be This Way in R2.

very mad.
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OrangeCrush980
03/23/19 8:13:41 PM
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xp1337, it has to be this way.
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banshiryuu
03/23/19 8:26:58 PM
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I have a similar situation with Marion vs Invitation Flower getting fed into Lost in the Waves lol
NFUN
03/23/19 8:55:12 PM
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banshiryuu posted...
I have a similar situation with Marion vs Invitation Flower getting fed into Lost in the Waves lol

I nommed both Marion and Invitation Flower in my first fucking post

and if they lose to lost in the waves im quitting vgmc forever
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Video Game Music Contest 13 winner: Terraria Calamity - Servants of the Scourge
Mac Arrowny
03/23/19 9:10:06 PM
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Don't worry, I'm sure azuarc and Mycro were fair about it and put their own noms in similar situations.
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Hbthebattle
03/23/19 9:13:05 PM
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Kill Command vs. Calamari Incantation R1, wew lad
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Patience.
azuarc
03/23/19 9:30:19 PM
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Mac Arrowny posted...
Don't worry, I'm sure azuarc and Mycro were fair about it and put their own noms in similar situations.

More like we did it to each other.

https://imgur.com/JggVAVU
https://imgur.com/ldOsiy4
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Video Game Music Contest 12 winner: Ys 8 - Sunshine Coastline
MycroProcessor
03/23/19 10:12:02 PM
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I am going to hate voting on linkage-alter vs. popn murakumo, and botw vah ruta vs. xc2 tbattle because I love both in both so much / around an equal amount, and I was the one who PLACED those two specific matchups why did I DO that to my self. . . .

so yes
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time
-hotdogturtle--
03/23/19 10:44:50 PM
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azuarc posted...
I will disqualify votes from users with suspicious voting trends. (RIP Megalovania.)

What happened here?
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azuarc
03/23/19 10:49:48 PM
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-hotdogturtle-- posted...
azuarc posted...
I will disqualify votes from users with suspicious voting trends. (RIP Megalovania.)

What happened here?

That was the year of Undertale. 9 songs out of 128 were Undertale. ASGORE and Megalovania both retired. There were a user who literally only ever showed up to vote for days where an Undertale match was playing. There were also a bunch of people who came out of the woodwork for the finals -- which, okay, it *is* the finals, but they made it pretty evident they hadn't listened to the song or even noticed which Undertale song it was.

There were enough DQ's to flip the match, so I declared it a tie and re-ran the match. Most of those people didn't come back, and the ones that did made their biases evident...which, once again, flipped the match. So I awarded the contest to its opponent.

It's worth noting that during the build-up to the contest, the only people I DQ'ed were the Undertale-only guy and one other user who was cherrypicking matches with their favorites. That was year 10. I can probably count the number of DQ's I enacted in the two years since on one hand. If you're following the contest rules (or at least not giving me any reason to think you aren't,) you have nothing to worry about.

And yes, this was very painful for me. It was my first year hosting the contest, and I had to adjudicate the finals in a way that couldn't possibly make people happy. I tried to be as forward and transparent as I could afford to be, and made it very clear to everyone that I would have preferred Megalovania to win. I'm hoping that last part made a difference in how everyone accepted the matter, because while Despair of ELFERIA isn't an awful winner, it's still not one of my favorites.
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Video Game Music Contest 12 winner: Ys 8 - Sunshine Coastline
NFUN
03/23/19 11:02:23 PM
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this year the final will be between Servants of the Scourge and Soaring Through the Sad Blue Skies but azuarc will call FRAUD and will declare the winner be the KINGDOM HEARTS 3 - DON'T THINK TWICE which was DISQUALIFIED before the contest even started but he sSTILL MAD EIT WIN
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Video Game Music Contest 13 winner: Terraria Calamity - Servants of the Scourge
Team Rocket Elite
03/23/19 11:03:50 PM
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DQing users for voting for Undertale songs is understandable but why is it not allowed to cherrypick matches to vote in?
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Congrats to Advokaiser for winning the CBX Guru Contest!
Haste_2
03/23/19 11:34:42 PM
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Maybe it's because if everyone only voted in matches featuring their favorites, it would favor certain games and the results would be distorted?

Amazingly, I managed to finish predicting one of the four brackets (predicting all my favorites to win, of course!). Because I don't have tons of time I listened only to the first minute of most of them, but I will listen to them all the way through in the actual contest, of course. I hope the brackets don't get locked down before the contest starts because I'm going to need more time to finish all four brackets. I mean, it's not like people compete with their brackets anymore -- most everyone's brackets are favorites brackets, right?
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Congrats to Advokaiser on pwning me in CBX!
azuarc
03/24/19 12:30:06 AM
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I really hate mentioning each year that there is the possibility of disqualifying votes because it always prompts the same exact conversation each year, complete with the same exact questions, almost down to the wording.

You can pick and choose days or matches to participate in. But if you're categorically selecting to only vote in the matches from your favorite games -- notice I didn't say songs, but games -- then you aren't even giving the opponent a chance to prove itself.

The VGM community on Board 8 has come a long way, and the enforcement of these policies is very seldom needed. Usually only from some walk-on Board 8'er who doesn't bother to read the rules, or, more likely, openly flaunts them. Disqualifying of votes is for people who defy the spirit of the contest. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Video Game Music Contest 12 winner: Ys 8 - Sunshine Coastline
-hotdogturtle--
03/24/19 12:31:36 AM
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I figured that it would be something like that for Undertale.
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Zyxyz0
03/24/19 4:22:52 AM
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final song/exsphere/bob being a threepack is the rudest thing I've ever seen
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TsunamiXXVIII
03/24/19 9:36:53 AM
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Ah, so you've noticed the problem with first-round byes too. The only previous contest to have something other than a power of 2 for an entrant count was VGMC1, but that one dealt with having 192 entrants by dividing the number of entrants by 2 each round until there were only 3 left and (probably arbitrarily; I wasn't actually there yet for that) having one of those three get a bye from the quarterfinals to the finals. It wasn't an issue there.
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th3l3fty
03/24/19 10:02:16 AM
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VGMC1 had no byes

if we'd had an A > B > C scenario, the contest might have ended with a three-way match to determine the champion, but Scars went ahead and made it easy for us by winning both matches
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TsunamiXXVIII
03/24/19 12:09:18 PM
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So were RFTMIS and IHTBTW's numbers on the sheet artificially inflated after all? I thought it seemed strange that they were suddenly listed as the leaders, but I didn't question it too hard. Still, as I stated in the discussion of "was anyone using their noms to try to get a song a bye", I only didn't double RFTMIS at the end because it appeared to already be receiving a bye.

th3l3fty posted...
VGMC1 had no byes

if we'd had an A > B > C scenario, the contest might have ended with a three-way match to determine the champion, but Scars went ahead and made it easy for us by winning both matches


Ah, right.
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FL81
03/24/19 1:11:35 PM
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Advokaiser
03/25/19 3:35:53 PM
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Haste_2 posted...
I just realized why The Best is Yet to Come and Reach for the Moon keep making it in... because the lefty keeps nominating it, or so it seems. Makes me so mad! However, I can fully forgive those sins because I now owe my SOUL to lefty for helping A Tocatta into Blood Soaked Darkness get in!


I'd dare say Castlevania: Curse of Darkness is among the Top 5 best OSTs of all time. That being said, even though I think Tocatta is solid, I'd hardly put it even in the Top 10 best songs from that game alone.

C'mon. At least help Abandoned Castle get in the next time!
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Haste_2
03/25/19 4:00:42 PM
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Ah, I didn't even know about Abandoned Castle until after nominations ended. I don't know the CV: Curse of Darkness much at all. But that track is fantastic and I will be sure to support it next time!
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Advokaiser
03/25/19 10:18:33 PM
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Thanks!

I've played a good amount of Castlevanias and listened to a handful of others and I gotta say Curse of Darkness is by far the best in terms of overall quality and variety. If you liked Tocatta, I highly recommend listening to the rest of the soundtrack - it only gets better from there.

I'd say the second best Castlevania OST is probably Judgment. After that it gets hard to decide, since many other OSTs in the series have a few masterpieces at the expense of being surrounded with many underwhelming tracks.
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xp1337
03/25/19 10:24:01 PM
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if y'all want to try and tempt me into backing a castlevania song

iron blue intention hasn't been in in a long time i think
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HBJDubs
03/25/19 10:55:57 PM
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oh hey I got more noms in than I was expecting. A couple with byes too!
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FL81
03/26/19 4:39:00 AM
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Favorites brackets done

all on whim-of-the-moment I'm sure the results would be completely different if I did this tomorrow
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SuperNiceDog
03/26/19 4:51:38 PM
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my favorite bracket for bracket A is done!

Life will change(persona 5) is in a WEAK part of the bracket. The left side of bracket A is much tougher imo.
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Advokaiser
SuperNiceDog
03/26/19 4:52:52 PM
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You guys nominated some good songs, I really like Sora- Icarus
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Advokaiser
SuperNiceDog
03/26/19 4:53:15 PM
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there's anime girls/waifus on so many of the songs though....
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Advokaiser
SuperNiceDog
03/26/19 4:54:50 PM
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so how long will Bracket A's battles be until Bracket B starts? All of Bracket A will be completed before Bracket B begins? And so forth?
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Advokaiser
NFUN
03/26/19 5:25:15 PM
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stoppppppppppppp

and don't reply/respond to this message either
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SuperNiceDog
03/26/19 5:26:05 PM
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NFUN posted...
stoppppppppppppp

and don't reply/respond to this message either


Hi.
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Advokaiser
SuperNiceDog
03/26/19 5:45:24 PM
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I am excited about the bracket
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Advokaiser
NFUN
03/26/19 5:49:56 PM
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Goodbye
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FL81
03/26/19 5:54:18 PM
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SuperNiceDog posted...
You guys nominated some good songs, I really like Sora- Icarus

SuperNiceDog posted...
there's anime girls/waifus on so many of the songs though....

good stuff
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