Board 8 > Some idiot shot up two mosques in New Zealand. Puke.

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UltimaterializerX
03/15/19 6:45:24 AM
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Tagging as live event because this is ongoing news.

The actual news event is bad enough, but apparently the killer recorded himself doing it and parts of the internet are fucking praising this moron by mashing up his video to Doom music. I am disgusted. Fuck this planet. Granted social media sites are banning these people the second they post links to the video, but good hell.

https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/new-zealand-christchurch-shooting-intl/index.html
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ZXAdvent_Lucian
03/15/19 6:49:28 AM
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"Ulti Pisses Off Both Sides Of The Political Spectrum"
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Seginustemple
03/15/19 6:49:33 AM
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UltimaterializerX
03/15/19 6:51:38 AM
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ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...
"Ulti Pisses Off Both Sides Of The Political Spectrum"

If you're an extremist on either side you aren't worth associating with anyway.
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red13n
03/15/19 6:59:18 AM
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Not some idiot. This is essentially a small terrorist group. Hopefully small.
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 7:00:04 AM
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Humongous manifesto posted on 8chan before the attack
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ZXAdvent_Lucian
03/15/19 7:10:17 AM
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red13n posted...
Not some idiot. This is essentially a small terrorist group. Hopefully small.

Actually, it was just one guy, according to THE video of his stream. Although, opposing evidence has been posted of two:
https://my.mixtape.moe/stahot.webm
And of course, there's reports of FOUR shooters, but no evidence of that, AFAIK. Point is, your hopes are confirmed.
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Leafeon13N
03/15/19 7:16:28 AM
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The idea that i would hope for things like this to happen is absolutely disgusting. Please never post again.
ZXAdvent_Lucian
03/15/19 7:18:43 AM
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I'm assuming you're red13n, here.
No, you silly. Your hope that it was a small group was confirmed, is what I meant.
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Lightning Strikes
03/15/19 7:28:55 AM
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Utterly vile, hopefully this guy will rot in prison and be completely forgotten along with his toxic ideology as he deserves.

The worrying thing is that he was apparently radicalised through mainstream websites and internet memes. Something needs to be done about that.
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Leafeon13N
03/15/19 7:31:29 AM
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ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...
I'm assuming you're red13n, here.
No, you silly. Your hope that it was a small group was confirmed, is what I meant.


Uhhh, that is literally the same awful line of thinking.

Also it was already confirmed to be multiple people involved when i posted.
ZXAdvent_Lucian
03/15/19 7:37:41 AM
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Leafeon13N posted...
ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...
I'm assuming you're red13n, here.
No, you silly. Your hope that it was a small group was confirmed, is what I meant.


Uhhh, that is literally the same awful line of thinking.

Also it was already confirmed to be multiple people involved when i posted.

Okay, no. That is nowhere near the same line of thinking You explicitly said "This is essentially a small terrorist group. Hopefully small." That expresses your hope that it was a small group and not a massive right-wing death squad. You can't deny this.
I posted the evidence that it was a small group. I confirmed your hope. And yet you choose to flip out and claim that I said you were hoping for this to happen, when none of that is true.
Now, are you going hold this L that you brought upon yourself in what I can only imagine to be the most embarrassing of times to make something about you for the sake of attention, or are you going to double down like a child?

P.S. Yeah, but you didn't seem aware of that.
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Vlado
03/15/19 7:48:16 AM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
The worrying thing is that he was apparently radicalised through mainstream websites and internet memes. Something needs to be done about that.

Yeah, let's ban memes!
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UltimaterializerX
03/15/19 7:52:06 AM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
The worrying thing is that he was apparently radicalised through mainstream websites and internet memes. Something needs to be done about that.

This is stupid.

Also I dont know how NZ handles criminals, but didnt Denmark put that Brevik dude in some lacish prison for life in hopes of rehabilitation? Would NZ do the same?
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 7:54:06 AM
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Lightning Strikes posted...
The worrying thing is that he was apparently radicalised through mainstream websites and internet memes. Something needs to be done about that.


Be careful with this. He states that he wants you to think this.
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Leafeon13N
03/15/19 8:02:00 AM
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ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...
Leafeon13N posted...
ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...
I'm assuming you're red13n, here.
No, you silly. Your hope that it was a small group was confirmed, is what I meant.


Uhhh, that is literally the same awful line of thinking.

Also it was already confirmed to be multiple people involved when i posted.

Okay, no. That is nowhere near the same line of thinking You explicitly said "This is essentially a small terrorist group. Hopefully small." That expresses your hope that it was a small group and not a massive right-wing death squad. You can't deny this.
I posted the evidence that it was a small group. I confirmed your hope. And yet you choose to flip out and claim that I said you were hoping for this to happen, when none of that is true.
Now, are you going hold this L that you brought upon yourself in what I can only imagine to be the most embarrassing of times to make something about you for the sake of attention, or are you going to double down like a child?

P.S. Yeah, but you didn't seem aware of that.


What the hell is wrong with you.
Leafeon13N
03/15/19 8:04:30 AM
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If you want to easily be disgusted by humanity, it isn't hard to find people openly cheering for this garbage.
ZXAdvent_Lucian
03/15/19 8:06:14 AM
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Just take the fucking L already.
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Metal_DK
03/15/19 8:42:12 AM
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Meh I'll post it here too

I promise you this guy was somebody who spent way too much time a day on the internet and social media and eventually snapped because he fucked up his life and "wanted his revenge"

Also does anyone know a way to get an age graph of these mass shooters by year/event? It seems like in the columbine (kinda the beginning of the first age of this problem) to virginia tech (beginning of the 2nd age) the average age of these shooters has been increasing
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Steiner
03/15/19 8:55:01 AM
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what the fuck red are you actually illiterate?

you said "hopefully small"

the dude responded "your hopes are confirmed" - because the group is, as far as anyone can tell, one person

you get it twisted the first time which i guess i can understand - but what he meant was clear to anybody else

then he explained what he meant and you're still going off? moron.
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Nrrr
03/15/19 9:08:05 AM
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Puke
Peridiam
03/15/19 9:17:26 AM
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I was in Christchurch a few months ago. I was given a tour of the city and shown all the earthquake damage that it suffered from years back.

This sucks to hear. More suffering. But the city pulled itself up after that earthquake. I bet itll do it again here.
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Mr Lasastryke
03/15/19 9:57:00 AM
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Steiner posted...
what the fuck red are you actually illiterate?

you said "hopefully small"

the dude responded "your hopes are confirmed" - because the group is, as far as anyone can tell, one person

you get it twisted the first time which i guess i can understand - but what he meant was clear to anybody else

then he explained what he meant and you're still going off? moron.


in b4 he says he's acting dumb "to make the board more interesting" like in that green book topic
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 9:57:48 AM
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https://twitter.com/kevinroose/status/1106407789067419648?s=21

Media: be careful with the NZ shooter's apparent manifesto. It's thick with irony and meta-text and very easy to misinterpret if you're not steeped in this stuff all the time (and even if you are).


Narrator: They werent
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Underleveled
03/15/19 10:06:19 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
mashing up his video to Doom music.

Anyone who does this never ever ever has any right to complain about violence on any scale ever ever again.
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foolm0r0n
03/15/19 10:09:42 AM
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Vlado posted...
Yeah, let's ban memes! Let's suppress freedom of speech more and more, and then act surprised when people's anger at the world erupts in actually harmful ways.

No, let's just ban angry internet men who constantly post about racial superiority and killing and manifestos for terrorism. You know, the kind of person that 100% of mass shooters have been?

But you're right, killing 50+ people is definitely a logical reaction to not being able to post racist memes on Twitter. This guy has committed a huge victory for your side. Hopefully soon people will realize the strength of the kek army.
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Nelson_Mandela
03/15/19 10:26:20 AM
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How quickly until Doom 2016 is scapegoated and we officially come full circle by rebooting Columbine?
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Metal_DK
03/15/19 10:38:05 AM
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Social media will be the eventual cause of ww3

Fuck 2007
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Steiner
03/15/19 10:41:51 AM
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Mr Lasastryke posted...
Steiner posted...
what the fuck red are you actually illiterate?

you said "hopefully small"

the dude responded "your hopes are confirmed" - because the group is, as far as anyone can tell, one person

you get it twisted the first time which i guess i can understand - but what he meant was clear to anybody else

then he explained what he meant and you're still going off? moron.


in b4 he says he's acting dumb "to make the board more interesting" like in that green book topic


anyone who still gives him benefit of the doubt has zero pattern recognition
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RPGlord95
03/15/19 10:51:23 AM
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Man our world has some God awful people
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Hop103
03/15/19 10:53:29 AM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...
"Ulti Pisses Off Both Sides Of The Political Spectrum"

If you're an extremist on either side you aren't worth associating with anyway.


This. The only sane politics are the center and the establishment (otherwise known as towing party lines).
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DeepsPraw
03/15/19 11:06:00 AM
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Hop103 posted...
UltimaterializerX posted...
ZXAdvent_Lucian posted...
"Ulti Pisses Off Both Sides Of The Political Spectrum"

If you're an extremist on either side you aren't worth associating with anyway.


This. The only sane politics are the center and the establishment (otherwise known as towing party lines).


Is this sarcasm? If it's not it's literally the worst take in this topic
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Lightning Strikes
03/15/19 12:48:33 PM
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I would like to thank foolmo for understanding my post and not thinking that wanting to stop online radicalisation is the same thing as suppressing free speech. It's not exactly a hardcore stance.
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UltimaterializerX
03/15/19 12:52:45 PM
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The issue there is stopping online radicals is done by people who want to censor everything other than mainstream narratives.

And wow we had someone go to that mosque? Really cool dude, that tour must have neat. Muslims are great people if you ignore the BS in the media.
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psaltery
03/15/19 1:03:46 PM
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He should have just had more babies himself instead of whining about other men having more babies than him. Going down in flames was not a good solution to his perceived problems.
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 1:04:39 PM
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Ulti you speak about Muslims like theyre aliens or something
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Nrrr
03/15/19 1:10:05 PM
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psaltery posted...
He should have just had more babies himself instead of whining about other men having more babies than him. Going down in flames was not a good solution to his perceived problems.


Spoilers his problems had nothing to do with babies
Leafeon13N
03/15/19 1:19:51 PM
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Steiner posted...
what the fuck red are you actually illiterate?

you said "hopefully small"

the dude responded "your hopes are confirmed" - because the group is, as far as anyone can tell, one person

you get it twisted the first time which i guess i can understand - but what he meant was clear to anybody else

then he explained what he meant and you're still going off? moron.


Oh i see. I actually fully apologize I'm sorry. I think morning me saw vlado and ulti in the topic and just saw the worst in everyone.
Steiner
03/15/19 1:54:11 PM
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i'm glad you took my heat in stride
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UltimaterializerX
03/15/19 2:15:42 PM
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Nah Jak in New Jersey we have a lot of them and thryve always been great people.
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Nrrr
03/15/19 2:38:34 PM
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How are Christians in New Jersey are they great people? How about your Jews?
Peridiam
03/15/19 2:52:30 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
The issue there is stopping online radicals is done by people who want to censor everything other than mainstream narratives.

And wow we had someone go to that mosque? Really cool dude, that tour must have neat. Muslims are great people if you ignore the BS in the media.

The tour was incredible. I met up with a Christchurch local and she showed me around everywhere.

I just wanna take a moment to encourage anyone to go visit NZ if they ever can. A bit pricey given how far removed they are from most of us, but I took a chance and went for 3 weeks and its my favorite place in the world. Particularly the South Island which is where Christchurch is located. That whole area is stunning. Queenstown, the glaciers, all of it. Pretty cheap AirBnB too with the greatest view.

for real they have the bluest water ive ever seen
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Obellisk
03/15/19 3:01:54 PM
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Can we not have ulti be the representative voice of NJ.
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UltimaterializerX
03/15/19 4:13:05 PM
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Obellisk posted...
Can we not have ulti be the representative voice of NJ.

Can we not have this topic turn into some stupid Ulti narrative.
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Obellisk
03/15/19 4:20:27 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
Obellisk posted...
Can we not have ulti be the representative voice of NJ.

Can we not have this topic turn into some stupid Ulti narrative.


So hard when you say things like:

UltimaterializerX posted...
Muslims are great people if you ignore the BS in the media.

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foolm0r0n
03/15/19 4:27:05 PM
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UltimaterializerX posted...
The issue there is stopping online radicals is done by people who want to censor everything other than mainstream narratives.

That's not a problem unless you're a sheep who can't support anything that "the enemy" also happens to support.

I'm sure Soros enjoys a hamburger here and there, that doesn't mean you can't eat a hamburger. But that is exactly how you live your life. You scream about how independent your thought is, but the MSM can craft your entire behavior on the daily just by having an intern shit out a dumb tweet while on the toilet. "Check out our new article on why pineapple on pizza is racist!" And then guess what you're having for dinner.

It's really REALLY fucking easy to reject online radicalism and terrorism while also supporting free speech. If you can't figure out such a simple thing, you are part of the problem and take some blame for shootings like this (using Muffin's definition of blame as an unlimited pool of criticism).
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Nelson_Mandela
03/15/19 5:14:21 PM
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foolm0r0n posted...
It's really REALLY f***ing easy to reject online radicalism and terrorism while also supporting free speech.

His point isn't about rejecting online radicalism--which is an easy task. It's about how to ensure that people online do not become radicalized in the first place without censoring the people who are radicalizing them.
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 5:32:11 PM
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I saw this thread on Reddit on a subreddit for Paradox games about how they realize the issues ironic racist memes cause in the name of radicalizing young people, and how in the wake of this tragedy they are self-censoring as a community

https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/comments/b1dz7s/lets_take_our_good_name_back_we_need_to_talk/

Lots of good comment threads too of people understanding and agreeing

Its the first time Ive felt optimistic about the online gaming community in general in awhile.
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psaltery
03/15/19 6:29:13 PM
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The shooter visited Pakistan back in November.
http://www.samaa.tv/news/2019/03/new-zealand-mosque-shooter-visited-pakistan-in-2018-confirms-hotel-owner/

Was he receiving terroristic training there while using sightseeing as a cover?

Also a 43-day stay in Turkey and 6 days in Bulgaria too.
https://www.trtworld.com/turkey/perpetrator-of-new-zealand-terrorist-attack-visited-turkey-twice-24985
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foolm0r0n
03/15/19 6:35:04 PM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
His point isn't about rejecting online radicalism--which is an easy task. It's about how to ensure that people online do not become radicalized in the first place without censoring the people who are radicalizing them.

If he admits that the bigotry and hate stuff that he likes to read and post online is the source of these radicalizations, then yeah. I don't think he's admitting that though.
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