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ASlaveObeys
03/15/19 12:14:07 AM
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9 confirmed dead at a mosque.
ASlaveObeys
03/15/19 12:15:28 AM
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this is the internet, so for clarity, right now doesn't mean active. I just didn't see a topic about it.
Mead
03/15/19 12:17:14 AM
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First Ive heard of it, people need to quit with all the shootin

Even if you think Islam is bad or evil or whatever you wont ever defeat it by shooting at it
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Ogurisama
03/15/19 12:27:41 AM
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Pikazard1
03/15/19 12:33:58 AM
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i have to agree, it's probably covered elsewhere in the inter webs. just going to ruffle feathers here
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ASlaveObeys
03/15/19 12:44:02 AM
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fair enough.
LinkPizza
03/15/19 12:52:35 AM
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Someone else recently made one. So now we have 2.
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CacciatoPart3
03/15/19 2:50:02 AM
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Holy shit, its at 40 dead now.
hypnox
03/15/19 2:51:42 AM
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Kimbos_Egg
03/15/19 2:53:46 AM
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it was like 4 in the morning here.

>_>
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darkknight109
03/15/19 3:03:33 AM
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From the early reports, it looks like this was a right-wing terror cell. Apparently one of the shitheads who did it livestreamed it.
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Cruddy_horse
03/15/19 3:18:02 AM
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It's not in the U.S so not as many people will care.
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Smarkil
03/15/19 3:22:25 AM
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I really wish these kunts would do the world a favor and kill themselves before trying to go out and hurt other people.
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usranger13
03/15/19 3:27:12 AM
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Cruddy_horse posted...
It's not in the U.S so not as many people will care.

And, let's be honest, a mass shooting in a country with tight gun laws doesn't exactly support the agenda that a lot of people want to push.
darkknight109
03/15/19 3:42:38 AM
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usranger13 posted...
Cruddy_horse posted...
It's not in the U.S so not as many people will care.

And, let's be honest, a mass shooting in a country with tight gun laws doesn't exactly support the agenda that a lot of people want to push.

New Zealand's gun laws are kind of middle of the road, honestly. A lot tougher than North American laws, not as tough as most of Europe.

And if we're going down that road, a single incident is a pointless argument - whether you're in favour of tightening gun laws or loosening them, one mass shooting won't (or shouldn't) really impact your argument or change your mind. You need to look at trends and data sets that have a much higher sample size than "one".
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Nestama
03/15/19 4:18:33 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
From the early reports, it looks like this was a right-wing terror cell. Apparently one of the shitheads who did it livestreamed it.

They did and those who have seen it recommend people to not look for it and/or not watch it. It's disgusting how casual he was about it.
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DeltaBladeX
03/15/19 5:32:59 AM
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I was away from my PC at the time. Terrible to hear.
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Mead
03/15/19 5:34:18 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
From the early reports, it looks like this was a right-wing terror cell. Apparently one of the shitheads who did it livestreamed it.


Not at all surprising. Most terrorists are right wing nutjobs
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Kyuubi4269
03/15/19 6:13:44 AM
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Mead posted...
Even if you think Islam is bad or evil or whatever you wont ever defeat it by shooting at it

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OneTimeBen
03/15/19 8:13:13 AM
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Apparently with US media it is already top of the news then quickly on to something else
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SmokeMassTree
03/15/19 8:18:34 AM
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Nestama posted...
darkknight109 posted...
From the early reports, it looks like this was a right-wing terror cell. Apparently one of the shitheads who did it livestreamed it.

They did and those who have seen it recommend people to not look for it and/or not watch it. It's disgusting how casual he was about it.


It looked like an FPS for real. Even the way dude reloaded. Casual af.
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OneTimeBen
03/15/19 8:20:27 AM
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Mead posted...
darkknight109 posted...
From the early reports, it looks like this was a right-wing terror cell. Apparently one of the shitheads who did it livestreamed it.


Not at all surprising. Most terrorists are right wing nutjobs

I didnt know there was a right wing in New Zealand. Is that a thing there? Sounds more like a very disturbed individual. He should, and may be killed within hours of his sentencing.
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Kungfu Kenobi
03/15/19 8:23:32 AM
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Mead posted...
Even if you think Islam is bad or evil or whatever you wont ever defeat it by shooting at it


Judging from his manifesto, this shooting was about deliberately inflaming tensions with something outrageous.
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03/15/19 8:26:31 AM
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Solid Sonic
03/15/19 8:26:55 AM
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What makes you think I want to talk about such a thing? I'm already convinced life is cheap, I don't need more reminders.
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OneTimeBen
03/15/19 8:33:22 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
What makes you think I want to talk about such a thing? I'm already convinced life is cheap, I don't need more reminders.

Not cheap. Dont say that. How about your Parents. Do you consider them cheap? Probably not. Go from there.
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Oops_All_Berrys
03/15/19 9:17:39 AM
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Hey guys it's the left that does these attacks, okay?
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minervo
03/15/19 9:22:43 AM
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Christians are being persecuted in NZ but not only by the Muslims. Christchurch has had powerful earthquakes in recent years and Christians have had a city named for them taken from before their eyes. They hold very little administrative authority and the majority of Christchurch residents are non-Christian.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/losing-our-religion-kiwis-losing-the-faith-in-record-numbers.html
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_AdjI_
03/15/19 10:10:27 AM
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minervo posted...
Christians are being persecuted in NZ but not only by the Muslims. Christchurch has had powerful earthquakes in recent years and Christians have had a city named for them taken from before their eyes. They hold very little administrative authority and the majority of Christchurch residents are non-Christian.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/losing-our-religion-kiwis-losing-the-faith-in-record-numbers.html


Not controlling everything=persecuted? Aww, poor diddums.
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03/15/19 10:52:53 AM
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Hop103
03/15/19 10:58:49 AM
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Mead posted...
darkknight109 posted...
From the early reports, it looks like this was a right-wing terror cell. Apparently one of the shitheads who did it livestreamed it.


Not at all surprising. Most terrorists are right wing nutjobs


If you consider Islam to be right wing (and it is, it's the most LGBT unfriendly religion in existence), then you do have a point.
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Mead
03/15/19 12:40:48 PM
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Hop103 posted...
Mead posted...
darkknight109 posted...
From the early reports, it looks like this was a right-wing terror cell. Apparently one of the shitheads who did it livestreamed it.


Not at all surprising. Most terrorists are right wing nutjobs


If you consider Islam to be right wing (and it is, it's the most LGBT unfriendly religion in existence), then you do have a point.


I do not support right wing nutjobs performing terror attacks on other right wing groups in any way
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SunWuKung420
03/15/19 1:12:22 PM
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Because domestic terror attacks are counter-productive to the "immigrants are bad" fear-mongering being used by the Orange guy.

Also it's tragic.
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Impavid54
03/15/19 4:02:38 PM
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I just saw the full livestream of the video

Some sick shit
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Noop_Noop
03/15/19 4:05:36 PM
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SunWuKung420 posted...
Because domestic terror attacks are counter-productive to the "immigrants are bad" fear-mongering being used by the Orange guy.

Also it's tragic.


2 things though

1 this didnt happen in the US
2 the shooter was not from new zealand
Mead
03/15/19 4:09:22 PM
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Impavid54 posted...
I just saw the full livestream of the video

Some sick shit


Why even watch that shit
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Impavid54
03/15/19 4:11:55 PM
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Mead posted...
Impavid54 posted...
I just saw the full livestream of the video

Some sick shit


Why even watch that shit


Curiosity? I wanted to see if he really said the pewdiepie part .
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Mead
03/15/19 4:16:31 PM
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Impavid54 posted...
Mead posted...
Impavid54 posted...
I just saw the full livestream of the video

Some sick shit


Why even watch that shit


Curiosity? I wanted to see if he really said the pewdiepie part .


Its really best to avoid watching their crimes, they want views on it. Dont give it to em
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Cruddy_horse
03/15/19 5:39:48 PM
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Was the shooter captured or killed by police?
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SunWuKung420
03/15/19 5:52:40 PM
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https://www.apnews.com/ea1a8d5dcc2746fd95e7b5cb0e509949

Cruddy_horse posted...
Was the shooter captured or killed by police?


Captured. Australian that traveled the world and lived in New Zealand.
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OhhhJa
03/15/19 6:16:26 PM
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_AdjI_ posted...
minervo posted...
Christians are being persecuted in NZ but not only by the Muslims. Christchurch has had powerful earthquakes in recent years and Christians have had a city named for them taken from before their eyes. They hold very little administrative authority and the majority of Christchurch residents are non-Christian.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/losing-our-religion-kiwis-losing-the-faith-in-record-numbers.html


Not controlling everything=persecuted? Aww, poor diddums.

Maybe not in NZ so much but the murder of Christians has increased at least two fold in the past couple decades

Also, it's interesting how everyone is outraged about this particular massacre but I never heard anything about this from MSM:

https://gellerreport.com/2018/10/muslims-slaughter-christians-2.html/

And then there's this:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/24/uganda-christians-face-muslim-persecution-record-l/

And many others I could post
Oops_All_Berrys
03/15/19 6:22:07 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
_AdjI_ posted...
minervo posted...
Christians are being persecuted in NZ but not only by the Muslims. Christchurch has had powerful earthquakes in recent years and Christians have had a city named for them taken from before their eyes. They hold very little administrative authority and the majority of Christchurch residents are non-Christian.

https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/new-zealand/2017/02/losing-our-religion-kiwis-losing-the-faith-in-record-numbers.html


Not controlling everything=persecuted? Aww, poor diddums.

Maybe not in NZ so much but the murder of Christians has increased at least two fold in the past couple decades

Also, it's interesting how everyone is outraged about this particular massacre but I never heard anything about this from MSM:

https://gellerreport.com/2018/10/muslims-slaughter-christians-2.html/

And then there's this:

https://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/dec/24/uganda-christians-face-muslim-persecution-record-l/

And many others I could post

Yikes at that first link man
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OneTimeBen
03/15/19 6:35:29 PM
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If 17 minutes of the attack were really live streamed on Facebook? How is that going to land legally? I would say massive fines in the millions.
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darkknight109
03/15/19 6:38:58 PM
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OhhhJa posted...
Maybe not in NZ so much but the murder of Christians has increased at least two fold in the past couple decades

Source?

OhhhJa posted...
Also, it's interesting how everyone is outraged about this particular massacre but I never heard anything about this from MSM:

Then you should try reading more. The conflict between Christians and Muslims in Nigeria has been talked about and well publicized for years now. Here's three articles in the last nine months from the Washington Post alone:

https://wapo.st/2JfPe8P

https://wapo.st/2UJPz53

https://wapo.st/2u8td15

Also, please get better sources - the Geller Report is hot garbage and contrary to what it implies, there's lots of killing happening on both sides of these attacks. Christian mobs are riding into Muslim areas and slaughtering them, which causes the Muslims to attack Christian areas and kill a bunch of people, repeat ad nauseum. Neither side is anywhere close to innocent in that fight.
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argonautweakend
03/15/19 6:45:17 PM
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ine months from the Washington Post alone
Lokarin
03/15/19 7:11:31 PM
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well, this is awkward...

Ok, bad things are bad things... of course. I'm also not up to date on the infos of this event...

But what I 'am' up to date on is internet speed, and the virtue signalling started EARLY on this one. Already two dozen videos telling us the obvious... 'bad thing bad'
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JCvgluvr
03/15/19 7:30:39 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
OhhhJa posted...
Maybe not in NZ so much but the murder of Christians has increased at least two fold in the past couple decades

Source?

OhhhJa posted...
Also, it's interesting how everyone is outraged about this particular massacre but I never heard anything about this from MSM:

Then you should try reading more. The conflict between Christians and Muslims in Nigeria has been talked about and well publicized for years now. Here's three articles in the last nine months from the Washington Post alone:

https://wapo.st/2JfPe8P

https://wapo.st/2UJPz53

https://wapo.st/2u8td15

Also, please get better sources - the Geller Report is hot garbage and contrary to what it implies, there's lots of killing happening on both sides of these attacks. Christian mobs are riding into Muslim areas and slaughtering them, which causes the Muslims to attack Christian areas and kill a bunch of people, repeat ad nauseum. Neither side is anywhere close to innocent in that fight.

Incorrect. True followers of Christ would never do this. Everyone identifying that group of people with the word "Christian" are propogating misrepresention.

You should not adress that ugly bunch of murderers by that term. Use whatever is more appropriate, such as "right-wing extremists" or "terrorists" or "psychotic relics of the wars of crusaders."
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Impavid54
03/15/19 10:19:13 PM
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Mead posted...
they want views on it. Dont give it to em


This wasn't on social media or anything.
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darkknight109
03/15/19 10:50:20 PM
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JCvgluvr posted...
Incorrect. True followers of Christ would never do this.

One could reasonably argue that "true Muslims" wouldn't either, given that numerous Muslim authorities have condemned terroristic activities and declared them "un-Islamic".

Call them "false Christians" and "false Muslims" if that makes you feel better. I choose not to, and I do that as a Christian myself. The Christians who are committing these horrible acts of violence are still Christians - they still believe in the salvation of the cross, the divinity of Christ, so on and so forth. Horrible people can still be Christians - they may be very bad Christians who are ignoring significant and important parts of dogma, but Christians they remain. We don't get to just declare "those people aren't really Christians" just because we don't like what they're doing or think it goes against proper conduct for Christians; if that were the case, I'd disown most of the modern evangelical movement as un-Christian (and they'd probably say the same about me).
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JCvgluvr
03/16/19 2:08:00 AM
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darkknight109 posted...
JCvgluvr posted...
Incorrect. True followers of Christ would never do this.

One could reasonably argue that "true Muslims" wouldn't either, given that numerous Muslim authorities have condemned terroristic activities and declared them "un-Islamic".

Call them "false Christians" and "false Muslims" if that makes you feel better. I choose not to, and I do that as a Christian myself. The Christians who are committing these horrible acts of violence are still Christians - they still believe in the salvation of the cross, the divinity of Christ, so on and so forth. Horrible people can still be Christians - they may be very bad Christians who are ignoring significant and important parts of dogma, but Christians they remain. We don't get to just declare "those people aren't really Christians" just because we don't like what they're doing or think it goes against proper conduct for Christians; if that were the case, I'd disown most of the modern evangelical movement as un-Christian (and they'd probably say the same about me).

Didn't say anything about the muslims. Don't really feel qualified to talk about that, one way or the other. On the other hand, I do have a little experience and knowledge in Christianity. When you say "horrible people" can be Christians, we have to separate that into two categories. Everyday people who commit every day sins, like you and me. And people who are not actual Christians. People who abuse the title and status. People who were never Christians to begin with. Allow me to point to the only authority on this matter. (I've been partial to the NLT version lately, so that's what I'm going to use, here.)

Exodus 20:13 New Living Translation (NLT)
13 You must not murder.


Matthew 7:15-20 New Living Translation (NLT)
The Tree and Its Fruit
15 Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep but are really vicious wolves. 16 You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act. Can you pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 A good tree produces good fruit, and a bad tree produces bad fruit. 18 A good tree cant produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cant produce good fruit. 19 So every tree that does not produce good fruit is chopped down and thrown into the fire. 20 Yes, just as you can identify a tree by its fruit, so you can identify people by their actions.


James 2:17 New Living Translation (NLT)
17 So you see, faith by itself isnt enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.

After this nugget of truth, I will have exhausted my efforts on this topic.

James 1:22-23 New Living Translation (NLT)
22 But dont just listen to Gods word. You must do what it says. Otherwise, you are only fooling yourselves. 23 For if you listen to the word and dont obey, it is like glancing at your face in a mirror.

Note that this verse doesn't say to listen to some of God's word. Not most. Not everything but _____. It simply says to obey God's word. Period. True Christians, as defined by God's word itself do not get to pick and choose which parts of scripture to adhere to. Either follow Him all the way, or not at all.
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