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Inviso
03/14/19 6:03:22 PM
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'Cause this isn't just about American politics. Other countries do stupid shit out of fear of minorities too.
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Nelson_Mandela
03/14/19 6:04:37 PM
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Nrrr posted...
Spoilers [Bill Gates is] the same guy and there is no amount of charity he can, or will, do to make up for spending his entire life exploiting others for his own benefit. Philanthropy is a joke. The rich give far less than the poor, who have less of a reason to give at all. The rich get rewarded tax breaks for their giving that cost the government more tax dollars so they can instead run largely for profit charities. It's just PR. You cannot say someone who took and took and took to the point of being a billionaire is seriously concerned about the situation others find themselves in. He has built his life around taking from them.


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ChaosTonyV4
03/14/19 6:16:51 PM
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You thinking Cyclo is a Democrat proves you don't understand shit, lol.
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Umitencho
03/14/19 7:22:56 PM
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The difference between one person having billions and the government having trillions is the amount of people who get to have a say in how the money is spent. Bill Gates doesn't have to go through two branches of government in order to approve any of his spending. The government which is comprised of people of a multitudes of various interests and angle has to has its organs come together to decide where that money is being spent, how it is being spent, ect. and make slow adjustments(used to vote on a yearly budget rather than this current rake the budget negotiations over a coal) based on its findings.

A billionaire spending money is a single decision that has very little oversight unless they get caught up in something illegal that the FBI or CIA can cuff them for. A government spending money is a consensus decision that changes with each election and how malleable each representative is with constituents demands.
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HashtagSEP
03/14/19 7:24:02 PM
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Well, that used to be true, atleast
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DoomTheGyarados
03/14/19 7:26:12 PM
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Oh some people responded to my Gates comment, so yeah basically I am going to be glad for Gates' research in Africa and helping humanity when people don't die in my country from lack of proper health care. We talk about these big ideas like higher education, health care, etc and a part of the reason that it is impeded is because taxing Gates and others like him more is seen as terrible. Gates has done a lot of great work, but he needs to pay more in taxes too as almost no one else does as much good as he does.

Rowling for example was smart. She avoided taxes by giving away so much she wasn't a billionaire! Twice I think. And if Gates was giving away that portion of his money that'd be kind of fair, but he isn't. Charity work is amazing and awesome and millions of people are harmed by lack of medicare for all in this country so yes, pay your taxes please and thank you.
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Jakyl25
03/14/19 7:52:51 PM
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Was gonna go with Veto ORourke for the title
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GildedFool
03/14/19 8:05:05 PM
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Brexit extension to be end of May.
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Inviso
03/14/19 8:07:55 PM
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GildedFool posted...
Brexit extension to be end of May.


Oh man, that's a good one.
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GildedFool
03/14/19 8:10:53 PM
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It'd be even better if it was accurate, but the early signs are the UK pushing for June 30th as the new date.

Maybe to avoid this headline. Maybe not.
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Paratroopa1
03/14/19 8:15:57 PM
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Nice, brexit might happen on my birthday
GildedFool
03/14/19 8:24:12 PM
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I might have exited the UK before the UK can exit the EU.
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red sox 777
03/14/19 8:37:01 PM
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So I guess Theresa May's game is to force the ERG and DUP to vote for her deal by effectively threatening to cancel Brexit if it doesn't pass. If it can be delayed something like 2 years it can be delayed forever.
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GildedFool
03/14/19 8:58:42 PM
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The EU would never agree to an extension that long. Also, the ERG and the DUP would choose no deal over May's deal. That's one of the main issues she has.

However, she might win over more moderates and convince some other party's MPs to rebel if it looks like we're crashing into no deal and that's clearly been her plan for a while now.
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Kenri
03/14/19 9:06:10 PM
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GildedFool posted...
Brexit extension to be end of May.

very, VERY good
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red sox 777
03/14/19 9:06:16 PM
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GildedFool posted...
The EU would never agree to an extension that long. Also, the ERG and the DUP would choose no deal over May's deal. That's one of the main issues she has.

However, she might win over more moderates and convince some other party's MPs to rebel if it looks like we're crashing into no deal and that's clearly been her plan for a while now.


That seemed to be her plan, but then why ask for the extension? If she's going to bring up the same deal again next week for a third time and she wants to put the screws to moderates, she would want to leave no deal in place as the default. Get an extension and her leverage goes out the window - except against the ERG and DUP.
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red sox 777
03/14/19 9:15:39 PM
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Well, I suppose today's motion doesn't actually commit her to seek a longer extension if the deal fails again, it only suggests that she will try. So she's trying to get votes from both sides by making them afraid they will get their worst outcome (either remain or no deal) if they don't vote for her deal.
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GuessMyUserName
03/14/19 9:18:50 PM
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Kenri posted...
GildedFool posted...
Brexit extension to be end of May.

very, VERY good

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GildedFool
03/14/19 9:19:32 PM
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She was backed into the extension corner by all the other votes going against her.

Parliament voted against her deal and against no deal, so she has to present something.
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LordoftheMorons
03/14/19 10:40:26 PM
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The Denver Post calls their 2014 endorsement of Cory Gardner a mistake following his no vote on the emergency disapproval resolution:

https://twitter.com/jessefferguson/status/1106369791110070282?s=21
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Paratroopa1
03/14/19 10:41:09 PM
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LordoftheMorons posted...
The Denver Post calls their 2014 endorsement of Cory Gardner a mistake following his no vote on the emergency disapproval resolution:

https://twitter.com/jessefferguson/status/1106369791110070282?s=21

5 years too late to rescind an endorsement, dipshits
Nrrr
03/14/19 11:26:47 PM
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at this point if you ever believe in a conservative politician to have any principles beyond self interest you are beyond help. this false premise of the upstanding conservative that liberals want to believe in so badly is so laughable. when someone like john mccain decides one day out of 300 to not be an asshole and everyone acts like he is a hero... just kill me.
GuessMyUserName
03/15/19 2:31:58 AM
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https://twitter.com/fel_caldwell/status/1106432989011959808

What in the fucking hell Australia, a senator's response to the shooting is...... that the REAL root of the shooting is... Muslims migrating to NZ in the first place.

Holy fuck this entire statement is full blast Islamophobia in response to a massacre of Muslims. I know that when bullshit artists follow up "I totally condemn these actions" with "However..." it is about to take a steep dive into victim blaming but this is a whole entire new level.
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LordoftheMorons
03/15/19 2:33:41 AM
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Holy shit that's disgusting
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CaptainOfCrush
03/15/19 2:34:39 AM
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There are people who have scored the video of the shooting to Doom music.
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banananor
03/15/19 3:01:26 AM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
https://twitter.com/fel_caldwell/status/1106432989011959808


Wow, this is like 8 times worse than what I expected, and I was already expecting something callously practical yet also incorrect

I was expecting 'this is what happens when different groups in close contact fear each other. We need segregation!'

But it was actually straight up 'I can't legally say murder is good, but those damn victims were evil!'
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 4:30:50 AM
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The shooter said Subscribe to Pewdiepie on the livestream of the murder

I really fucking hope we live in a simulation that is about to be turned off
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MoogleKupo141
03/15/19 6:17:42 AM
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GuessMyUserName posted...
https://twitter.com/fel_caldwell/status/1106432989011959808

What in the fucking hell Australia, a senator's response to the shooting is...... that the REAL root of the shooting is... Muslims migrating to NZ in the first place.

Holy fuck this entire statement is full blast Islamophobia in response to a massacre of Muslims. I know that when bullshit artists follow up "I totally condemn these actions" with "However..." it is about to take a steep dive into victim blaming but this is a whole entire new level.


never thought I'd see a massive terrorist hate crime referred to as "vigilantism"

like this dude really thinks the shooter is The Punisher

not that it matters in regard to how terrible this statement is, but have New Zealand or Australia ever had a significant terrorist attack perpetrated by Muslims?
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 6:21:11 AM
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Theres a poster in Vlados topic thats echoing the sentiments of the shooters manifesto

Its really an amazingly stupid philosophy
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ZXAdvent_Lucian
03/15/19 6:23:23 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Theres a poster in Vlados topic thats echoing the sentiments of the shooters manifesto

Its really an amazingly stupid philosophy

So you were just trying to troll there, got it.
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MoogleKupo141
03/15/19 6:28:33 AM
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looking at Wikipedia, it seems like Australia's averaging like two or three terrorism-related deaths per year recently. The guy today probably killed more people than have died in the last thirty years of terrorism there.

New Zealand had a lady unsuccessfully try to hijack a plane ten years ago and nothing else remotely recent is mentioned

not really seeing the guy's argument for Muslims being the dangerous ones
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 6:32:00 AM
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MoogleKupo141 posted...
looking at Wikipedia, it seems like Australia's averaging like two or three terrorism-related deaths per year recently. The guy today probably killed more people than have died in the last thirty years of terrorism there.

New Zealand had a lady unsuccessfully try to hijack a plane ten years ago and nothing else remotely recent is mentioned

not really seeing the guy's argument for Muslims being the dangerous ones


Can I ask why youre even framing things like this?
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MoogleKupo141
03/15/19 6:50:31 AM
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I just got curious because his gross very bad statement made me realize I couldn't remember ever hearing of a terrorist attack in Australia before this. Somehow I thought that there must have been some kind of Australian 9/11 I hadn't heard about to explain Anning's insane level of Islamaphobia
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 7:09:13 AM
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All it really takes is for someone to fall down a YouTube rabbit hole of being slowly conditioned into bigotry
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Reg
03/15/19 7:19:42 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
All it really takes is for someone to fall down a YouTube rabbit hole of being slowly conditioned into bigotry

Then from there it literally just takes listening to the words of the President of the United States for those people to be pushed to literal violence.
Lightning Strikes
03/15/19 7:46:50 AM
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It is very unlikely that the UK will get away with June 30th without very substantially changed red lines or a second vote or an election. The EU will want a longer extension and 6 months at least seems likely.

Also I don't agree that it was brought on by fear of minorities, there is also a lot of evidence that immigration fears were only a minority concern among leave voters. And of course, brexit is already increasing non-EU migration to the UK.
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 8:12:27 AM
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https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/1106526246144487424?s=21

The Jexodus movement encourages Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Total disrespect! Republicans are waiting with open arms. Remember Jerusalem (U.S. Embassy) and the horrible Iran Nuclear Deal! @OANN @foxandfriends


The what now?

Jexodus: its like Exodus but by Jews!
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 8:17:41 AM
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Also I hate when those damn liberals play identity politics. Conservatives dont do that!
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Metal_DK
03/15/19 8:41:22 AM
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I promise you this guy was somebody who spent way too much time a day on the internet and social media and eventually snapped because he fucked up his life and "wanted his revenge"

Also does anyone know a way to get an age graph of these mass shooters by year/event? It seems like in the columbine (kinda the beginning of the first age of this problem) to virginia tech (beginning of the 2nd age) the average age of these shooters has been increasing
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GildedFool
03/15/19 8:45:19 AM
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"The Jexodus movement encourages Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Total disrespect!

"... I also encourage Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Aren't I great!?"
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Espeon
03/15/19 8:48:14 AM
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GildedFool posted...
"The Jexodus movement encourages Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Total disrespect!

"... I also encourage Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Aren't I great!?"


I think that, despite his shitty grasp of sentence structure, Trump is trying to encourage Jexodus due to the Democrats alleged disrespect.
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Nrrr
03/15/19 8:49:38 AM
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The mosque shooting is just...such a direct result of all the horrible fascist grifters poisoning alienated, too online brains and absolutely nothing will ever happen to any of them and our world is completely without justice. Fuck we are just too dumb of a species to be so powerful. Imagine being so stupid you kill people over "invading" your land as a white guy who is from Australia and lives in New Zealand. Imagine being so utterly broken as a human being you methodically slaughter innocent men, women, and children on video for the luls. Why is it that we hear the left is so violent when every single violent terrorist act in 2018 was right wing? Why are none of them called terrorism? Why do the people who are supposed to stop these things spend significantly more time monitoring minorities and left wing groups and not right wingers, especially on places like 8chan where we know far right nazis collaborate and share their child porn. Why does Google enable these disgusting, stupid grifters to keep poisoning the brains of zoomers and hiding behind "the algorithm"? How long do we let corporations with absolutely zero social responsibility control almost every facet of the typical daily interaction we have with news and entertainment? How long before guys like the shooter are using "ecofascism" to justify killing the victims, climate refugees, instead of aiming their ire at those who actually caused it?

I need a break from the hellworld so bad
Nelson_Mandela
03/15/19 8:53:25 AM
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Nrrr posted...
I need a break from the hellworld so bad

There's an easy way to do that!

Anyway, I am curious to know what your solution to Google/corporations allowing a platform for free speech and exchange of ideas would be.
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 8:53:37 AM
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Espeon posted...
GildedFool posted...
"The Jexodus movement encourages Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Total disrespect!

"... I also encourage Jewish people to leave the Democrat Party. Aren't I great!?"


I think that, despite his shitty grasp of sentence structure, Trump is trying to encourage Jexodus due to the Democrats alleged disrespect.


This is correct, though I understand the confusion

Total disrespect! Is targeted at the Democratic Party for disrespecting Jews
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 8:55:01 AM
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Nrrr posted...
zoomers


...is that really the term we are going with?
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Jakyl25
03/15/19 9:08:38 AM
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Trump sends his warmest sympathy and best wishes to NZ

This criticism probably falls under the category of literally obsessed, but when tragedies happen and Trump responds in such ways that are CLOSE to correct but still a bit off it sounds so performative. Its not real empathy.

I can actually kind of relate as someone on the spectrum, sometimes trying to emulate what I think small talk should consist of when I really find no need to make conversation.

But for fucks sake, best wishes?
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Nelson_Mandela
03/15/19 9:15:41 AM
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Jakyl25 posted...
I can actually kind of relate as someone on the spectrum, sometimes trying to emulate what I think small talk should consist of when I really find no need to make conversation.

Trump is an actual sociopath so he's just trying to mimic what normal people say. The autism comparison is a fair one, I think.
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Nrrr
03/15/19 9:17:13 AM
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Imagine if Trump tweeted "puke." about the shooting...
Jakyl25
03/15/19 9:25:28 AM
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Nelson_Mandela posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
I can actually kind of relate as someone on the spectrum, sometimes trying to emulate what I think small talk should consist of when I really find no need to make conversation.

Trump is an actual sociopath so he's just trying to mimic what normal people say. The autism comparison is a fair one, I think.


I really really think its NPD, specifically

Like if you were writing a character that was meant to be clinically narcissistic, and you wrote them like Trump, people would say youre being too heavy handed
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Reg
03/15/19 9:25:39 AM
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Nrrr posted...
Why is it that we hear the left is so violent when every single violent terrorist act in 2018 was right wing?

Projection from the right
Nrrr posted...
Why are none of them called terrorism? Why do the people who are supposed to stop these things spend significantly more time monitoring minorities and left wing groups and not right wingers, especially on places like 8chan where we know far right nazis collaborate and share their child porn.

Because the people in charge of making those decisions indirectly support the terrorists
Nrrr posted...
Why does Google enable these disgusting, stupid grifters to keep poisoning the brains of zoomers and hiding behind "the algorithm"? How long do we let corporations with absolutely zero social responsibility control almost every facet of the typical daily interaction we have with news and entertainment?

Because nobody in the corporations gives a shit about anything except money, and they use the money to influence the government to let them continue making money unregulated.

tl;dr, 'lol'
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