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pauIie
03/14/19 1:57:33 PM
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joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

why does protecting speech mean amazon is forced to sell a product it doesn't want to?

the books still exist, you'll just have to buy them elsewhere.
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Rika_Furude
03/14/19 3:33:00 PM
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joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

given that anti-vaxxers have directly caused thousands of people to die slow, painful, avoidable deaths, and children who can't make an informed decision for themselves, and caused diseases that had previously been declared eradicated to return, no thats not acceptable. there is literally no place for anti-vaxx in any society. there is literally no situation where it is acceptable.


I didn't say anti vax is acceptable. But this solution is dangerous and ignores the actual source of such a problem. I'm not saying the fight is wrong but how it's being fought is wrong and empowering the wrong people.

I disagree.
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DarkProto05
03/14/19 3:38:46 PM
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joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

Free speech doesn't apply in this scenario. Amazon has the right to choose what can be sold on their website.
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username191
03/14/19 4:02:25 PM
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Does not selling the books actually hurt the anti-vaxx movement, or is it empowered by other things, such as news articles like this?

Don't know for real, but I think most people's first instinct is to ban or otherwise try to strongarm (in general) when a lighter touch may be more effective.
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LightHawKnight
03/14/19 4:05:57 PM
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DarkRoast posted...
If you support free speech, you should support Amazon's right to choose what it allows on its marketplace.


Free Speech is only for government. People can shut any speech down if they want.
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Conflict
03/14/19 4:07:22 PM
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The never-ending misconceptions of what free speech entails never fail to amaze me every time these incidents take place
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fenderbender321
03/14/19 4:11:33 PM
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The books are harmless.
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joe40001
03/14/19 4:17:27 PM
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DarkProto05 posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

Free speech doesn't apply in this scenario. Amazon has the right to choose what can be sold on their website.


Free speech as an ideal does. That is what is being talked about.
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Tmaster148
03/14/19 4:18:30 PM
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joe40001 posted...
DarkProto05 posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

Free speech doesn't apply in this scenario. Amazon has the right to choose what can be sold on their website.


Free speech as an ideal does. That is what is being talked about.


A company choosing what products they want to sell has never involved free speech.
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pauIie
03/14/19 4:23:04 PM
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shouldn't the free speech folks be glad that amazon is able to exercise their free speech rights and not support these books?
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fenderbender321
03/14/19 4:26:47 PM
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People can still buy the books. Amazon just doesn't want to be the merchant or the middle man for it.
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joe40001
03/14/19 4:29:23 PM
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I will write a more thorough explanation later but I have got to imagine at least some of you get how this isn't cut and dry.
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Cookie Bag
03/14/19 6:44:21 PM
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joe40001 posted...
I will write a more thorough explanation later but I have got to imagine at least some of you get how this isn't cut and dry.

Tmaster148 posted...
company choosing what products they want to sell has never involved free speech.

Cmon buddy, it's not that hard.
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fenderbender321
03/14/19 6:46:35 PM
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Cookie Bag posted...
joe40001 posted...
I will write a more thorough explanation later but I have got to imagine at least some of you get how this isn't cut and dry.

Tmaster148 posted...
company choosing what products they want to sell has never involved free speech.

Cmon buddy, it's not that hard.


I see it more as them exercising their property rights as opposed to them exercising their freedom of speech rights.
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hockeybub89
03/14/19 6:48:07 PM
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Zeeak4444
03/14/19 6:48:39 PM
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xsouljah posted...
I support this over the removal of sales of the "rebel" flag on Amazon.


It's a business. You shouldn't have an issue with how they decide to operate period in regards to what they decide to carry or not.
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joe40001
03/15/19 7:36:16 AM
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Zeeak4444 posted...
xsouljah posted...
I support this over the removal of sales of the "rebel" flag on Amazon.


It's a business. You shouldn't have an issue with how they decide to operate period in regards to what they decide to carry or not.


In a competitive marketplace this is true. What percent of books sold in the world do you think are bought through amazon? 90? 95? 99? How close to 100 does that number have to get before we start thinking "ok we need to reflect on our rules culturally as to what is an isn't acceptable to be shared in book form because deferring to a company with this much power is clearly dangerous"
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CanuckCowboy
03/15/19 7:44:40 AM
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joe40001 posted...
sold in the world do you think are bought through amazon? 90? 95? 99?


Lol Wut?

Little high there I think.

Also your point is moot either way. Even if 99% of books on earth were sold through amazon they aren't obligated to sell idiotic tripe which they don't want to sell.

That's not censorship by any means. May as well say Walmart is obligated to stock some specific flavour of dorito.
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joe40001
03/15/19 7:57:24 AM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
joe40001 posted...
sold in the world do you think are bought through amazon? 90? 95? 99?


Lol Wut?

Little high there I think.

Also your point is moot either way. Even if 99% of books on earth were sold through amazon they aren't obligated to sell idiotic tripe which they don't want to sell.

That's not censorship by any means. May as well say Walmart is obligated to stock some specific flavour of dorito.


No that's a totally different thing and I think you know it is. I'm shocked that you people can't see at least the start how this can become problematic. I've got shit to do right now but I'll write up a thing later.
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gmanthebest
03/15/19 8:20:03 AM
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Only an idiot would be against Amazon doing this.

*looks up*

(Worth the karma loss)
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LightHawKnight
03/15/19 9:28:45 AM
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joe40001 posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
joe40001 posted...
sold in the world do you think are bought through amazon? 90? 95? 99?


Lol Wut?

Little high there I think.

Also your point is moot either way. Even if 99% of books on earth were sold through amazon they aren't obligated to sell idiotic tripe which they don't want to sell.

That's not censorship by any means. May as well say Walmart is obligated to stock some specific flavour of dorito.


No that's a totally different thing and I think you know it is. I'm shocked that you people can't see at least the start how this can become problematic. I've got shit to do right now but I'll write up a thing later.


No it wont. A store can sell whatever the hell they want and the same, they can not sell whatever the hell they want, as long as it is not illegal. Choosing not to sell a book cause it is full of false information isn't illegal.
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joe40001
03/15/19 9:32:35 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
joe40001 posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
joe40001 posted...
sold in the world do you think are bought through amazon? 90? 95? 99?


Lol Wut?

Little high there I think.

Also your point is moot either way. Even if 99% of books on earth were sold through amazon they aren't obligated to sell idiotic tripe which they don't want to sell.

That's not censorship by any means. May as well say Walmart is obligated to stock some specific flavour of dorito.


No that's a totally different thing and I think you know it is. I'm shocked that you people can't see at least the start how this can become problematic. I've got shit to do right now but I'll write up a thing later.


No it wont. A store can sell whatever the hell they want and the same, they can not sell whatever the hell they want, as long as it is not illegal. Choosing not to sell a book cause it is full of false information isn't illegal.


Legality is a different discussion than if this is a "good thing" or not.
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Lord_Wombat
03/15/19 9:36:52 AM
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@RoseIsHorriblle posted...
That's terrible. People should be able to make their own decisions. If they are that gullible they should pay the consequences.

They're not the ones paying the consequences.
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LightHawKnight
03/15/19 9:40:06 AM
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joe40001 posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
joe40001 posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
joe40001 posted...
sold in the world do you think are bought through amazon? 90? 95? 99?


Lol Wut?

Little high there I think.

Also your point is moot either way. Even if 99% of books on earth were sold through amazon they aren't obligated to sell idiotic tripe which they don't want to sell.

That's not censorship by any means. May as well say Walmart is obligated to stock some specific flavour of dorito.


No that's a totally different thing and I think you know it is. I'm shocked that you people can't see at least the start how this can become problematic. I've got shit to do right now but I'll write up a thing later.


No it wont. A store can sell whatever the hell they want and the same, they can not sell whatever the hell they want, as long as it is not illegal. Choosing not to sell a book cause it is full of false information isn't illegal.


Legality is a different discussion than if this is a "good thing" or not.


Not really. Since any store can stock whatever the hell they want.
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DarkRoast
03/15/19 9:42:55 AM
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Lord_Wombat posted...
@RoseIsHorriblle posted...
That's terrible. People should be able to make their own decisions. If they are that gullible they should pay the consequences.

They're not the ones paying the consequences.


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averagejoel
03/15/19 9:44:03 AM
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posting this again so it's on this page

averagejoel posted...
joe40001 posted...
averagejoel posted...
joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

a website choosing not to sell some books is not censorship


As the internet increasingly becomes the public forum we can't keep shrugging over deplatforming. The same argument you use now can later be used against content you think is important. This is one step away from not selling books on conspiracy theories, would you be fine with that too? If not, given your current stance how could you argue against it?

treating deplatforming as actual censorship would require placing restrictions on corporations that most people are not currently comfortable with.

like, you might have a point if amazon was run by the state. it isn't.

edit: I should also mention that I'm all in favour of placing more restrictions on corporations. this idea is something that will eventually have to be grappled with anyway and I'm down to discuss it if you're willing to engage the idea in good faith

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joe40001
03/15/19 10:02:20 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
joe40001 posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
joe40001 posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
joe40001 posted...
sold in the world do you think are bought through amazon? 90? 95? 99?


Lol Wut?

Little high there I think.

Also your point is moot either way. Even if 99% of books on earth were sold through amazon they aren't obligated to sell idiotic tripe which they don't want to sell.

That's not censorship by any means. May as well say Walmart is obligated to stock some specific flavour of dorito.


No that's a totally different thing and I think you know it is. I'm shocked that you people can't see at least the start how this can become problematic. I've got shit to do right now but I'll write up a thing later.


No it wont. A store can sell whatever the hell they want and the same, they can not sell whatever the hell they want, as long as it is not illegal. Choosing not to sell a book cause it is full of false information isn't illegal.


Legality is a different discussion than if this is a "good thing" or not.


Not really. Since any store can stock whatever the hell they want.


What you just said isn't a response to the premise "legality is a different thing than if something is a good thing or not"

If you disagree and believe legality and global/personal morality are identical please elaborate, because I think that's absurd.
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Tmaster148
03/15/19 10:06:13 AM
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So joe here wants to control what companies can sell. I bet he's the kind of person to show up at a Chinese restaurant and order a taco then get pissy when they don't have it.
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bover_87
03/15/19 10:07:11 AM
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Eevee-Trainer posted...
Good.

Rika_Furude posted...
not good enough to redeem amazon

these
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LightHawKnight
03/15/19 10:09:09 AM
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joe40001 posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
joe40001 posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
joe40001 posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
joe40001 posted...
sold in the world do you think are bought through amazon? 90? 95? 99?


Lol Wut?

Little high there I think.

Also your point is moot either way. Even if 99% of books on earth were sold through amazon they aren't obligated to sell idiotic tripe which they don't want to sell.

That's not censorship by any means. May as well say Walmart is obligated to stock some specific flavour of dorito.


No that's a totally different thing and I think you know it is. I'm shocked that you people can't see at least the start how this can become problematic. I've got shit to do right now but I'll write up a thing later.


No it wont. A store can sell whatever the hell they want and the same, they can not sell whatever the hell they want, as long as it is not illegal. Choosing not to sell a book cause it is full of false information isn't illegal.


Legality is a different discussion than if this is a "good thing" or not.


Not really. Since any store can stock whatever the hell they want.


What you just said isn't a response to the premise "legality is a different thing than if something is a good thing or not"

If you disagree and believe legality and global/personal morality are identical please elaborate, because I think that's absurd.


It is a STORE. They can sell whatever they want and not sell whatever they want. If you honestly want to drink a bleach like substance go for it. I wont stop you.
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CanuckCowboy
03/15/19 10:49:49 AM
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joe40001 posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
joe40001 posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
joe40001 posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
joe40001 posted...
sold in the world do you think are bought through amazon? 90? 95? 99?


Lol Wut?

Little high there I think.

Also your point is moot either way. Even if 99% of books on earth were sold through amazon they aren't obligated to sell idiotic tripe which they don't want to sell.

That's not censorship by any means. May as well say Walmart is obligated to stock some specific flavour of dorito.


No that's a totally different thing and I think you know it is. I'm shocked that you people can't see at least the start how this can become problematic. I've got shit to do right now but I'll write up a thing later.


No it wont. A store can sell whatever the hell they want and the same, they can not sell whatever the hell they want, as long as it is not illegal. Choosing not to sell a book cause it is full of false information isn't illegal.


Legality is a different discussion than if this is a "good thing" or not.


Not really. Since any store can stock whatever the hell they want.


What you just said isn't a response to the premise "legality is a different thing than if something is a good thing or not"

If you disagree and believe legality and global/personal morality are identical please elaborate, because I think that's absurd.


Legality is not the point. The point is every business ahs the right to stock and sell whatever products they choose. Amazon is not forcing the book to stop being published or sold. They themselves are simply not selling it.

If your local bookstore stopped selling a controversial book you wouldn't call it censorship now would you?
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joe40001
03/15/19 10:50:01 AM
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LightHawKnight posted...
It is a STORE. They can sell whatever they want and not sell whatever they want. If you honestly want to drink a bleach like substance go for it. I wont stop you.


You know that's not the discussion. You know I'm not advocating drinking bleach. And you know that me talking about moral implications for decisions made by easily the biggest marketplace in the world is different than me thinking "herp durp it's not a place that sells things"

Or at least I hope you are putting enough thought into it to know these things.
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E32005
03/15/19 10:55:11 AM
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joe40001
03/15/19 10:57:44 AM
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E32005 posted...
Imagine defending anti vaccination


Imagine being so dense as to think this is what is going on.
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CanuckCowboy
03/15/19 11:00:14 AM
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joe40001 posted...
E32005 posted...
Imagine defending anti vaccination


Imagine being so dense as to think this is what is going on.


The obvious assumption here is that you're being biased as a result of your personal antivaccer views.

Because otherwise you're just being entirely nonsensical with no apparent reason.
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joe40001
03/15/19 11:04:10 AM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
joe40001 posted...
E32005 posted...
Imagine defending anti vaccination


Imagine being so dense as to think this is what is going on.


The obvious assumption here is that you're being biased as a result of your personal antivaccer views.

Because otherwise you're just being entirely nonsensical with no apparent reason.


*facepalm* I can't believe people don't see the potential bigger issue here.

I need to stop responding until I finish my big explanation because apparently nobody here will even strain for a moment to look at this from a broader perspective.
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CanuckCowboy
03/15/19 11:05:39 AM
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What potential bigger issue?

You're literally stating that Amazon is so prevalent and all consuming that they're obligated to sell any crap anyone wants to put out into the world.

How do you figure that's even remotely sensible?

Amazon is not the government. Amazon is also not going out of their way to stop the book from existing or being sold elsewhere. No one is trying to stop the book from existing or being sold. Amazon is merely not selling it themselves.

You're doing this flying leap to make a connection that has no basis in reality.
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Solid Sonic
03/15/19 11:06:11 AM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
What potential bigger issue?

You're literally stating that Amazon is so prevalent and all consuming that they're obligated to sell any crap anyone wants to put out into the world.

How do you figure that's even remotely sensible?

That's how Steam worked until they were like "nah" to Rape Day.
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CanuckCowboy
03/15/19 11:08:20 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
What potential bigger issue?

You're literally stating that Amazon is so prevalent and all consuming that they're obligated to sell any crap anyone wants to put out into the world.

How do you figure that's even remotely sensible?

That's how Steam worked until they were like "nah" to Rape Day.


But you can't censor rape day!

Lol. I don't know why but I was compelled to say that.
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LightHawKnight
03/15/19 11:12:22 AM
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joe40001 posted...
LightHawKnight posted...
It is a STORE. They can sell whatever they want and not sell whatever they want. If you honestly want to drink a bleach like substance go for it. I wont stop you.


You know that's not the discussion. You know I'm not advocating drinking bleach. And you know that me talking about moral implications for decisions made by easily the biggest marketplace in the world is different than me thinking "herp durp it's not a place that sells things"

Or at least I hope you are putting enough thought into it to know these things.


But you are advocating drinking bleach. Literally want a store that doesn't want to sell a book advocating drinking bleach to sell said book for some stupid reason.
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Eevee-Trainer
03/15/19 3:01:24 PM
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CanuckCowboy posted...
May as well say Walmart is obligated to stock some specific flavour of dorito.

Spicy Nacho is the only valid flavor.
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Nazanir
03/17/19 4:41:29 AM
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joe40001 posted...
CanuckCowboy posted...
joe40001 posted...
E32005 posted...
Imagine defending anti vaccination


Imagine being so dense as to think this is what is going on.


The obvious assumption here is that you're being biased as a result of your personal antivaccer views.

Because otherwise you're just being entirely nonsensical with no apparent reason.


*facepalm* I can't believe people don't see the potential bigger issue here.

I need to stop responding until I finish my big explanation because apparently nobody here will even strain for a moment to look at this from a broader perspective.

No, the bigger issue would be the government banning such books all together, and prevent them from being published. Would you complain in the same manner if Amazon would also stop selling a certain towel?

Shops change stock all the time, they have the right to sell whatever they want. The only reason this is a point of debate, is because the book can be seen as controversial.
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Crazyman93
03/17/19 4:46:04 AM
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joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

He's Australian, his country doesn't believe in freedom.
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hockeybub89
03/17/19 4:49:38 AM
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A store doesn't have to sell every flavor of Gatorade but they better sell a book of lies that tells people to avoid doctors and drink bleach!
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joe40001
03/18/19 7:30:39 AM
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bump
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Guide
03/18/19 10:55:31 PM
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We have to curate for stupid people. They're doing too much harm nowadays. Simple as that.
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joe40001
03/20/19 4:25:35 AM
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I want to finish the thing I wrote up, I got like half way through 2 days ago and took a break and still haven't finished.

It would bug me to have bunch of people here not get why this kind of thing could be a problem and also how this is the wrong way to fight the stupid anti-vax people.
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LightningAce11
03/20/19 4:36:23 AM
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Why do you think every opinion deserves the same level of consideration?

Some are clearly wrong, going against proven facts for ignorant reasons. Bringing up slippery slopes all the times always ends with "They shouldn't ban this because they'll eventually ban this!"
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joe40001
03/20/19 4:42:07 AM
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LightningAce11 posted...
Why do you think every opinion deserves the same level of consideration?

Some are clearly wrong, going against proven facts for ignorant reasons. Bringing up slippery slopes all the times always ends with "They shouldn't ban this because they'll eventually ban this!"


They might ban something else. Just saying "slippery slope" doesn't invalidate that culturally we have said "Amazon you have our blessing to ban some books", to take it on good faith that they will never do it again or never do it in a way that you conclude to be unfair is naive.
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ledzep3__v9
03/20/19 5:03:02 AM
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joe40001 posted...
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joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

given that anti-vaxxers have directly caused thousands of people to die slow, painful, avoidable deaths, and children who can't make an informed decision for themselves, and caused diseases that had previously been declared eradicated to return, no thats not acceptable. there is literally no place for anti-vaxx in any society. there is literally no situation where it is acceptable.


I didn't say anti vax is acceptable. But this solution is dangerous and ignores the actual source of such a problem. I'm not saying the fight is wrong but how it's being fought is wrong and empowering the wrong people.


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