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LightningAce11
03/14/19 5:49:13 AM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/internet/amazon-removes-books-promoting-autism-cures-vaccine-misinformation-n982576

What do you think?
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Eevee-Trainer
03/14/19 5:51:53 AM
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Good.
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Cookie Bag
03/14/19 6:03:43 AM
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Rika_Furude
03/14/19 6:04:19 AM
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Foppe
03/14/19 6:05:33 AM
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I dont like to censor things, but this kind of stuff doesnt deserve to exist in the first place.
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Cookie Bag
03/14/19 6:06:33 AM
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Foppe posted...
I dont like to censor things, but this kind of stuff doesnt deserve to exist in the first place.

I see it less as censor and more as removal of harmful information for the gullible.
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Funkydog
03/14/19 6:43:38 AM
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Eevee-Trainer posted...
Good.

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xsouljah
03/14/19 6:50:34 AM
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I support this over the removal of sales of the "rebel" flag on Amazon.
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Kitt
03/14/19 6:52:25 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
not good enough to redeem amazon

I'm sure Bezos values the opinion of some nobody on a dying video game website that based their online persona on a little anime girl.
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Rika_Furude
03/14/19 6:57:24 AM
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Kitt posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
not good enough to redeem amazon

I'm sure Bezos values the opinion of some nobody on a dying video game website that based their online persona on a little anime girl.

your toxicity is a boon to this cesspit
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apolloooo
03/14/19 6:57:41 AM
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Eevee-Trainer posted...
Good.

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joe40001
03/14/19 7:04:03 AM
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Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.
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Rika_Furude
03/14/19 7:05:47 AM
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joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless
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Kitt
03/14/19 7:06:20 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Kitt posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
not good enough to redeem amazon

I'm sure Bezos values the opinion of some nobody on a dying video game website that based their online persona on a little anime girl.

your toxicity is a boon to this cesspit

<3
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Rika_Furude
03/14/19 7:08:59 AM
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Kitt posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Kitt posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
not good enough to redeem amazon

I'm sure Bezos values the opinion of some nobody on a dying video game website that based their online persona on a little anime girl.

your toxicity is a boon to this cesspit

<3

i was lying. your online persona is based around a kit-kat. just gtfo
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Kitt
03/14/19 7:09:45 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Kitt posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Kitt posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
not good enough to redeem amazon

I'm sure Bezos values the opinion of some nobody on a dying video game website that based their online persona on a little anime girl.

your toxicity is a boon to this cesspit

<3

i was lying. your online persona is based around a kit-kat. just gtfo

Lies and slander.
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joe40001
03/14/19 7:16:44 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.
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averagejoel
03/14/19 7:18:39 AM
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joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

a website choosing not to sell some books is not censorship
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joe40001
03/14/19 7:33:44 AM
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averagejoel posted...
joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

a website choosing not to sell some books is not censorship


As the internet increasingly becomes the public forum we can't keep shrugging over deplatforming. The same argument you use now can later be used against content you think is important. This is one step away from not selling books on conspiracy theories, would you be fine with that too? If not, given your current stance how could you argue against it?
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Superlinkbro
03/14/19 7:34:59 AM
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Definitely ok with that.
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averagejoel
03/14/19 7:41:17 AM
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joe40001 posted...
averagejoel posted...
joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

a website choosing not to sell some books is not censorship


As the internet increasingly becomes the public forum we can't keep shrugging over deplatforming. The same argument you use now can later be used against content you think is important. This is one step away from not selling books on conspiracy theories, would you be fine with that too? If not, given your current stance how could you argue against it?

treating deplatforming as actual censorship would require placing restrictions on corporations that most people are not currently comfortable with.

like, you might have a point if amazon was run by the state. it isn't
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DarkRoast
03/14/19 7:50:52 AM
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Melanie's Marvelous Measles was literally a pun on Roald Dahl's George's Marvelous Medicine. Roald Dahl's daughter died of measles.

That's anti-vaxxers in a nutshell.
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hyperpsycho
03/14/19 7:52:09 AM
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joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_LIR5ExIU" data-time="

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Rika_Furude
03/14/19 8:01:14 AM
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joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

given that anti-vaxxers have directly caused thousands of people to die slow, painful, avoidable deaths, and children who can't make an informed decision for themselves, no thats not acceptable.
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averagejoel
03/14/19 8:08:59 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

given that anti-vaxxers have directly caused thousands of people to die slow, painful, avoidable deaths, and children who can't make an informed decision for themselves, and caused diseases that had previously been declared eradicated to return, no thats not acceptable. there is literally no place for anti-vaxx in any society. there is literally no situation where it is acceptable.

I know a girl who's hospitalized for pneumonia every 2 years or so, largely because her mom is anti-vax
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Musourenka
03/14/19 8:16:16 AM
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Sounds good to me.

The writers and publishers of these books are committing fraud with potentially dangerous results.
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DarkChozoGhost
03/14/19 8:17:55 AM
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joe40001 posted...
The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

This has nothing to do with free speech. If someone wanted to sell rusted, HIV infected needles online, should that be allowed to stay up?
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Evol
03/14/19 8:23:06 AM
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I heard there are healthy diets that cures or relieves the symptoms of autism (because autistic people allegedly have very poor gut bacteria).

Would books on that be banned? Because thats not in the realm of these anti-vaxxers at all.
RoseIsHorriblle
03/14/19 8:24:46 AM
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That's terrible. People should be able to make their own decisions. If they are that gullible they should pay the consequences.
knutjob
03/14/19 8:26:26 AM
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joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.


It was never free. You had to purchase it.

A shop has the right now to sell dangerous products.
Kombucha
03/14/19 8:27:03 AM
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This is inconsequential in the scope of any perceived censorship because theres a public library present in almost every town and city...
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hyperpsycho
03/14/19 8:45:59 AM
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Evol posted...
I heard there are healthy diets that cures or relieves the symptoms of autism (because autistic people allegedly have very poor gut bacteria).

Would books on that be banned? Because thats not in the realm of these anti-vaxxers at all.

Sounded like bs but there's evidence backing it up.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/gut-microbes-autism-symptoms

The books wouldn't be banned because unlike anti-vax shit it's backed by science.
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DarkRoast
03/14/19 8:55:52 AM
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If you support free speech, you should support Amazon's right to choose what it allows on its marketplace.
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KainFourteh
03/14/19 9:07:52 AM
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joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.


Holy shit, the stupidity.
Solar_Crimson
03/14/19 9:27:03 AM
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joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

Antivax is legitimately dangerous and needs to be curbed at every chance.
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Solid Sonic
03/14/19 9:31:48 AM
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What was the issue with the autism cure thing?

AND FUCK YOUR WATCHDOGGING, GAMEFAQS, IT'S JUST A WORD.
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Musourenka
03/14/19 9:36:34 AM
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Solid Sonic posted...
What was the issue with the autism cure thing?

AND FUCK YOUR WATCHDOGGING, GAMEFAQS, IT'S JUST A WORD.


Per the article, the books were suggesting things like bathing in highly toxic forms of bleach and taking stuff used to treat lead poisoning. Considering that these would theoretically be used to cure one's child of autism, I completely agree with Amazon's decision.
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joe40001
03/14/19 12:09:08 PM
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hyperpsycho posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nc_LIR5ExIU" data-time="


Ironically despite how much Penn hates anti-vax I think he might agree on this.
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rikasa
03/14/19 12:11:58 PM
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i'm honestly a little worried that something is going to come out proving that vaccines are bad in some way and it will completely destroy our society's trust in professional figures of authority
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Pow Pow Punishment
03/14/19 12:16:46 PM
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joe40001 posted...

As the internet increasingly becomes the public forum we can't keep shrugging over deplatforming. The same argument you use now can later be used against content you think is important. This is one step away from not selling books on conspiracy theories, would you be fine with that too? If not, given your current stance how could you argue against it?

Amazon can sell whatever they want. If they pulled all books that didn't have anything to do with wood-working I'd call it stupid and move on to another site. Don't you believe in the free market?
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The Admiral
03/14/19 12:17:42 PM
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I'm glad these books won't be around to poison more parents with their stupidity, but I'm not crazy about this precedent. I don't want to see Amazon start banning books on conspiracies and other things, even if I disagree with them personally.
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Kazi1212
03/14/19 12:20:12 PM
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Before you know it Amazon burning books
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Tmaster148
03/14/19 12:25:35 PM
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The Admiral posted...
I'm glad these books won't be around to poison more parents with their stupidity, but I'm not crazy about this precedent. I don't want to see Amazon start banning books on conspiracies and other things, even if I disagree with them personally.


Sounds like you want the government to control what private corporations can and can't do.
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The Admiral
03/14/19 12:26:23 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm glad these books won't be around to poison more parents with their stupidity, but I'm not crazy about this precedent. I don't want to see Amazon start banning books on conspiracies and other things, even if I disagree with them personally.


Sounds like you want the government to control what private corporations can and can't do.


Who mentioned anything about the government?
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Tmaster148
03/14/19 12:27:11 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm glad these books won't be around to poison more parents with their stupidity, but I'm not crazy about this precedent. I don't want to see Amazon start banning books on conspiracies and other things, even if I disagree with them personally.


Sounds like you want the government to control what private corporations can and can't do.


Who mentioned anything about the government?


How else would you prevent a private corporation from choosing what items they want to sell?
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DifferentialEquation
03/14/19 12:31:17 PM
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Tmaster148 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
The Admiral posted...
I'm glad these books won't be around to poison more parents with their stupidity, but I'm not crazy about this precedent. I don't want to see Amazon start banning books on conspiracies and other things, even if I disagree with them personally.


Sounds like you want the government to control what private corporations can and can't do.


Who mentioned anything about the government?


How else would you prevent a private corporation from choosing what items they want to sell?


Amazon would choose... He was clearly saying that agrees with Amazon in this particular instance, but doesn't want to see Amazon become overzealous in the future.
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omega cookie
03/14/19 12:34:05 PM
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Anyone against this KainFourteh posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.


Holy shit, the stupidity.

It's joenumbers. Stupidity in defense of awful things is sort of his purpose in life. Go to one of the archive sites and find topics about people getting caught with child porn and see how many have him defending the guy in some way.

Hint, It's every topic he's ever seen about child porn.
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Nazanir
03/14/19 12:34:22 PM
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Thank fuck for that.

You could even find a book that would have you drink your child bleach like substances in order to "cure' them from autism.

These are people who are trying to make a buck on the whole anti vax movement and they are at least equally as terrible.
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joe40001
03/14/19 1:52:15 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
joe40001 posted...
Speech should be protected even if we don't like it. Maybe don't have algorithms recommend it but removing content we don't like doesn't end in a good place.

there is no legitimate reason to allow dangerous material like anti-vaxx "speech" to exist. anti-vaxx is literally only negative.
its completely different from something like the flat earth theory, which is just dumb but completely harmless


The whole premise of freedom of speech is that there is going to be content which you find completely unredeemable that you allow to exist. You can't just support it when it's convenient. Saying it's ok to censor some ideas always ends in a bad place, just look at history.

given that anti-vaxxers have directly caused thousands of people to die slow, painful, avoidable deaths, and children who can't make an informed decision for themselves, and caused diseases that had previously been declared eradicated to return, no thats not acceptable. there is literally no place for anti-vaxx in any society. there is literally no situation where it is acceptable.


I didn't say anti vax is acceptable. But this solution is dangerous and ignores the actual source of such a problem. I'm not saying the fight is wrong but how it's being fought is wrong and empowering the wrong people.
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joe40001
03/14/19 1:54:29 PM
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Pow Pow Punishment posted...
joe40001 posted...

As the internet increasingly becomes the public forum we can't keep shrugging over deplatforming. The same argument you use now can later be used against content you think is important. This is one step away from not selling books on conspiracy theories, would you be fine with that too? If not, given your current stance how could you argue against it?

Amazon can sell whatever they want. If they pulled all books that didn't have anything to do with wood-working I'd call it stupid and move on to another site. Don't you believe in the free market?


If there was any sort of competitive marketplace I would totally agree.
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