Board 8 > Umineko Episode 8: The Truth Shall Set You Free *Spoilers*

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GANON1025
03/14/19 11:05:57 PM
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I'm a bit surprised the "Evil Witch" that Maria attributed to Rosa's horribleness didn't manifest into its own character like young Eva did. I thought that was going to happen in Episode 4 for a while there. Honestly, a lot of the Maria/Rosa stuff kinda fell away after 4. Rosa is no more than a background character after that (but you could say that for a lot of the family in this answer arc section).
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Raka_Putra
03/14/19 11:07:52 PM
52
I do think the truth is that Eva tried to be a good surrogate parent to Ange but it just didn't work out. Ange was (and still is) strongheaded and stubborn child and all she knew was her family didn't come back but Eva did. Then of course there were the foul play accusations and her own grief form losing George and Hideyoshi.

If anything, Eva is the character whose bad behavior is the most justified IMHO (also from that early EP3 part where she got the misogynist treatment from the Kinzo, Krauss, and Rudolf). The other siblings are just basically bad because they're bad people.
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GANON1025
03/14/19 11:11:32 PM
53
Kinzo and Rudolf do some pretty bad things too. Kinzo especially. But I think why I like them better than Rosa and Eva is because 1. Generally they are more entertaining and 2. The horrible things Eva and especially Rosa did are extensively talked about and shown in detail. Whereas what Kinzo has done, even the truly horrible stuff, isn't shown quite like that. So there is a little disconnect there.
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GANON1025
03/15/19 5:23:40 PM
54
I feel like I have either 15 minutes or 15 hours left.
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LeonhartFour
03/15/19 5:25:19 PM
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GANON1025
03/15/19 5:44:53 PM
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Natwaf_akidna
03/15/19 7:04:08 PM
57
How is it both
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:05:46 PM
58
There's some cool art of Erika destroying Beatrice's towers. That's all I really have to say about this battle so far!
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:31:23 PM
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What an interesting idea. If Ange leaves before witnessing the end of the battle, anything could have happened which puts their potential odds at winning above the 0% it is now.
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:36:10 PM
60
"Even humans are not powerless. They have guns."

Words to live by.
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:37:52 PM
61
Kinzo was turning Super Saiyan for a second there.
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:40:48 PM
62
"Erika tried to look down at her feet,.... but what she saw was Krauss's left fist."

Lots of great art for these little scenes!
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:42:18 PM
63
"Kanon is an illusion created by a lonely Jessica..."

stupid goats, everyone knows Kanon is a different persona of Shannon!!! sheesh
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:47:15 PM
64
zKmstEl

Even George gets to look cool!
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:50:44 PM
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I don't get. Rosa DOES NOT love Maria. How can her counterattacks do anything to Erika when Erika speaks the truth?
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:51:52 PM
66
Though I DO like Erika getting humbled by the humans. Some good payback for when she treated them like nothing during the earlier games.
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:53:35 PM
67
I really do not like the phrase "intellectual rapist".
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GANON1025
03/15/19 8:58:41 PM
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I'm glad that Erika and Beatrice respect the time-honored Dark Souls tradition of bowing before a duel.
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GANON1025
03/15/19 9:09:51 PM
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I think Lambdadelta might be in a bit of trouble here. They've done a good job of hyping of Featherine and how far above she is from everyone else.
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GANON1025
03/15/19 9:13:27 PM
70
So Featherine has The World + Heaven's Door. A good combo!
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GANON1025
03/15/19 9:17:29 PM
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636Z29G

That's SO good!
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GANON1025
03/15/19 9:19:18 PM
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Oh, and the fragment Labdadelta gave them shattered too. Well how's ol Battler gonna get out of this one??
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GANON1025
03/15/19 9:22:04 PM
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nxHa9VQ

This, too, is good.
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GANON1025
03/15/19 9:24:58 PM
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Finally, after 950 hours, Battler gets to own the witches
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Reg
03/15/19 9:27:33 PM
75
GANON1025 posted...
636Z29G

That's SO good!

Hell yes it was
Tom Bombadil
03/16/19 10:08:24 AM
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what is this CG nonsense
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I've got a home on the other side
GANON1025
03/16/19 10:55:30 AM
77
Oh, did the original not have any big MSPaint scenes like these?
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Reg
03/16/19 10:57:14 AM
78
It did not

Pretty sure it didn't even have the Pirate Hat Erika sprites
GANON1025
03/16/19 10:59:24 AM
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That's a shame.
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:04:09 AM
80
Anyway, it looks like the battle went bad... or something screwy is going on. Either way, Bernkastel destroyed Beatrice's heart in front of Ange and said in read that they lost, which seems like a bad thing.
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:09:43 AM
81
This scene seems to imply Bernkastel represents the feelings of hope and despair Ange has in the future, the driving force behind her trying to commit suicide. Apparently, Ange was still holding on to that slim chance of some of her family surviving, but all hope of that is gone.
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:20:56 AM
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Ange learns the power of being completely delusional and rejecting fact. I guess "hopeful" is a prettier term for it, but in this case it seems to be doing the trick.
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:22:37 AM
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I'm not sure if this is necessarily the BEST lesson for Ange to learn..
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:26:23 AM
84
But honestly, this IS the perfect counter to red truth: Going "nah, no, I don't care"
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:30:42 AM
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Did Saktarou NEED to come back? Was anyone like, man I need more of that Saktarou in my life???

Well Ange probably said that, and that's enough I guess.
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:34:05 AM
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Lambdadelta's gonna be OK!! Maybe... We didn't actually see her.

Finally getting to those doors though!!
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:36:52 AM
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Magic or Trick? Yeah, I get it.
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:39:29 AM
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It's a damn TRICK. Think all of that magic shit was going to convince me otherwise?? Get out of here. I never surrendered!
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Sceptilesolar
03/16/19 11:40:39 AM
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GANON1025 posted...
Ange learns the power of being completely delusional and rejecting fact. I guess "hopeful" is a prettier term for it, but in this case it seems to be doing the trick.


Well. Not quite.

I think the magic of Resurrection is certainly delusional, but it's such a common delusion that it's pretty neat that Umineko brings everything back to this. 'Your loved ones are in your heart forever'. That's all it really takes.
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Just killing time until the world ends.
GANON1025
03/16/19 11:43:14 AM
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Sure, that's a fairer way of looking at it.

Ange had the doll in the real world...... was it REALLY all a dream???? Well Ange threw it in the ocean like a boss so who cares.
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:44:38 AM
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If I remember right, I saw a secret conversation with Amakusa and that other guy. Amakusa is going to kill all the thugs for Ange, but isn't he also set to kill Ange as well?
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:47:15 AM
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Oh god, remember there was a weird thing Ange saw during the night before she went to the island? I almost forgot all about that scene.
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Sceptilesolar
03/16/19 11:49:38 AM
93
Oh. That one's stupid and don't worry about it. You already know the answer.
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Just killing time until the world ends.
GANON1025
03/16/19 11:51:38 AM
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Ange figured it all out, even got a gun from Amakusa and shot him and even quoted Erika while doing it! But how will she deal with the Sumadera thugs??
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:54:24 AM
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She also ruthlessly took out the boat captain. I mean, it's her reasoning was sound enough but now him and the boat are gone which seems like a bad thing for her in the long run.

Now Ange is seeing Erika, which probably isn't a GOOD sign.
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:54:47 AM
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Oh Ange is still ON the boat, good.
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GANON1025
03/16/19 11:55:41 AM
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<Good!>

What an ending!
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Sceptilesolar
03/16/19 11:56:48 AM
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Trick is a bit of a joke, but it's fun seeing Ange become Erika. Or that Erika was Ange all along, depending on how you want to look at it.
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Just killing time until the world ends.
GANON1025
03/16/19 11:58:29 AM
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No Tea Party or ????. Well I guess there's the other ending to see, I'll get to that later.

I REALLY should have saved before making that choice, whoops.
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GANON1025
03/16/19 7:59:24 PM
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Alright, let me take a look at this alternate ending.
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