Board 8 > I dig Captain Marvel (eventual spoilers, none in first post)

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ScareChan
03/11/19 10:56:42 AM
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Forceful_Dragon posted...
5tarscream posted...
Is she just going to fly into space, collect the remain survivors from their places, bring everyone back, discover a way to go back and defeat Thanos and all is well.


I find it difficult to believe we are watching the same MCU if you have so little faith that you think this might happen.


This makes me worry that no one is returned from the snap and the following mcu movies are skrull copies >_>
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PrivateBiscuit1
03/11/19 11:18:58 AM
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I assume they're waiting for the Fantastic Four debut before we get the Skrull again. Because it's harder to do Super-Skrull without it
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GenesisSaga
03/11/19 12:24:59 PM
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pxlated posted...
Tom Bombadil posted...
I thought it was pretty okay! Marvel herself kinda felt like "generic superhero BUT A GIRL," but everything else was interesting enough.

Comics noob question: aren't skrull, like, always bad guys, tho?


I think there's a good skrull in runaways? Unless I'm misremembering that arc

There is! The one that gets hitched to Carolina Dean/Lucy in the Sky is a decent person
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Wedge Antilles
03/11/19 12:53:58 PM
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Saw it last night. Good, not great. Nothing I felt it did amazingly. Would probably rank somewhere between 10 to 15 for MCU films for me.
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Jakyl25
03/11/19 5:22:37 PM
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PrivateBiscuit1 posted...
I assume they're waiting for the Fantastic Four debut before we get the Skrull again. Because it's harder to do Super-Skrull without it


I know before they bought Fox, one of the rules was that they could use Skrulls but specifically could not use Super-Skrull
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Jakyl25
03/11/19 5:24:10 PM
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XIII_rocks posted...
Interesting to compare how she handled Yon-Rogg vs. How Captain America handled that French dude on the ship in Winter Soldier


It makes me sad to hear of Georges St Pierre referred to as that French dude
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skullbone
03/11/19 5:44:20 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
XIII_rocks posted...
Interesting to compare how she handled Yon-Rogg vs. How Captain America handled that French dude on the ship in Winter Soldier


It makes me sad to hear of Batroc the Leaper referred to as that French dude


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5tarscream
03/11/19 8:52:55 PM
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I still think GSP could beat Captain America
neonreaper
03/11/19 9:13:24 PM
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It was okay. It came together well but much of the comedy fell flat - just didnt feel like she had the delivery for the funny stuff.
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MajinZidane
03/11/19 9:27:47 PM
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NewerShadow posted...
Serviceable feels about right - it definitely wasnt bad, but I dont think its in the tier of Ragnarok/Cap 2/Guardians/etc.


I mean these are 3 of the 4 best movies in the entire series, a tier of their own. Not really a bad point to miss this level.
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UltimaterializerX
03/12/19 1:40:42 AM
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Cap would absolutely whip GSPs ass, and I am a huge GSP fan.
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azuarc
03/12/19 8:45:32 AM
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Have a friend who wanted to see this with me last weekend. I took a pass because I wanted to hear some feedback from actual people instead of random unknown internet opinion machines. So thank you for that.
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JackMan
03/12/19 8:59:18 AM
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This seems like the best place to stick this. I did a retrospective video on Captain Marvel looking at every video game appearance of the character (both Mar Vell and Carol Danvers (and a little Genis Vell and Mahr Vehl)). I think it turned out alright, so if you like the character, check it out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfaCe4UncnA" data-time="

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SwiftyDC
03/12/19 10:36:47 AM
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I cant believe Endgame is only a couple months away.
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Aecioo
03/12/19 10:44:33 AM
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Forceful_Dragon
03/12/19 11:05:58 AM
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SwiftyDC posted...
I cant believe Endgame is only a couple months away.

6 weeks~
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GenesisSaga
03/12/19 11:41:14 AM
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I might be among the first people to see it aside from people who actually worked on/in the movie!

I'll be sure to post a spoiler free topic like this one when I do
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TheRock1525
03/12/19 1:04:14 PM
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So I watched the Half in the Bag about this episode and the first 18 minutes were about the "controversy" surrounding the film.

Yeesh, glad I dodged that one.
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Jakyl25
03/12/19 1:22:40 PM
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Something I didnt realize helped me enjoy this movie until I saw it pointed out: there was no romantic subplot

Iron Man has Pepper, okay thats a good dynamic
Hulk went from Betty to Widow and no one cares about either relationship
Cap wants to fuck the whole Carter family and thats just seen as totes normal
Thor got better when Jane left the franchise

Sometimes we dont need sexual tension!
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skullbone
03/12/19 1:25:45 PM
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Umm excuse me did you miss the entire roller coaster that was the Fury x Goose relationship?
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5tarscream
03/12/19 8:45:54 PM
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There was no sexual tension between Brie and Jude?
profDEADPOOL
03/12/19 9:01:16 PM
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Excuse me are you actually going to pretend Maria and Carol weren't a couple before she was taken to Hala
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redrocket
03/12/19 9:07:00 PM
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profDEADPOOL posted...
Excuse me are you actually going to pretend Maria and Carol weren't a couple before she was taken to Hala


This
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NBIceman
03/12/19 9:10:10 PM
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Jakyl25 posted...
Something I didnt realize helped me enjoy this movie until I saw it pointed out: there was no romantic subplot

Iron Man has Pepper, okay thats a good dynamic
Hulk went from Betty to Widow and no one cares about either relationship
Cap wants to fuck the whole Carter family and thats just seen as totes normal
Thor got better when Jane left the franchise

Sometimes we dont need sexual tension!

I'm still pissed at how the great Cap/Widow chemistry in Winter Soldier was completely ignored in favor of Bruce/Natasha and Cap/Sharon.

It's one of the few things that really, really bothers me about the MCU.
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PrivateBiscuit1
03/12/19 9:34:04 PM
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NBIceman posted...
Jakyl25 posted...
Something I didnt realize helped me enjoy this movie until I saw it pointed out: there was no romantic subplot

Iron Man has Pepper, okay thats a good dynamic
Hulk went from Betty to Widow and no one cares about either relationship
Cap wants to fuck the whole Carter family and thats just seen as totes normal
Thor got better when Jane left the franchise

Sometimes we dont need sexual tension!

I'm still pissed at how the great Cap/Widow chemistry in Winter Soldier was completely ignored in favor of Bruce/Natasha and Cap/Sharon.

It's one of the few things that really, really bothers me about the MCU.

Well, I think that has a lot to do with Whedon going full Whedon with the sexy femme fatale being in love with the nerd.

He had a lot of bad ideas in Age of Ultron. I think there's a good reason that they had maybe a 5 second moment with Bruce and Natasha in Infinity War when they very easily could have given them a short scene to talk things out. Because they thought it sucked too and didn't want to waste time even humoring it.
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ChaosTonyV4
03/12/19 9:48:06 PM
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Hey big guy

Suns getting real low
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NBIceman
03/12/19 9:59:18 PM
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I understand why it happened. It was inevitable, with so many different directors all trying to tell different stories and the same story all at once, that a disconnect like that would come along at some point. It's just too bad.
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Bane_Of_Despair
03/12/19 10:03:54 PM
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I was always more on board with Widow/Hawkeye, but honestly where they went with him with the family and everything was kind of neat. But yea I still hate Widow/Bruce
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Grand Kirby
03/12/19 10:09:49 PM
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Saw it today. I liked it. It wasn't amazing, but it was good fun. Random thoughts:

- Since I live in LA, I kept on getting distracted by the inaccuracies about how the train lines were depicted in the chase scene. I'm not certain the stations didn't look like that back in the mid 90s, but we definitely didn't have the TAP system in place then.

- Unfortunately I didn't really care for Captain Marvel herself that much. She was an okay character, but Brie Larson's acting was kind of really terrible for some reason. There were so many lines that fell completely flat because of her wooden delivery. At first I thought it was meant to show how the emotion-repressing Kree training affected her humanity, but even in the scenes where she rejected the Kree doctrine or was supposed to be angry never felt right thanks to her poor acting. There were some moments that worked, like when she joked around with Fury, but there were a lot moments where you could tell the script wanted her to come off as sarcastic, or upset, or badass and she just kind of said each line in the same flat way.

- I really liked the twist of the Skrulls not being the bad guys. It was nice to see such an obliviously evil looking alien species shown to be sympathetic and with families to protect. It made them really likable.

- I'm not sure how I feel about the reveal that Fury lost his eye to that cat. It's pretty funny, but I would have generally preferred if it was damaged in more dramatic fashion. I think like most people were expecting that, so I kind of understand the urge to subvert it.

- As a cat owner the post credits scene was fantastic.

- I was really disappointed we didn't get to see what Fury could do with a paperclip. That definitely felt like it was setting up something but it didn't pay off.
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Obellisk
03/13/19 3:35:27 PM
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Stan Lee question.

Was that Stan Lee cameoing as Stan Lee reading his MallRats script for his MallRats cameo?

Does that mean this Cameo is unrelated to other Cameos as Stan being a watcher or does this mean Stan Lee himself IS a watcher?
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Jakyl25
03/13/19 3:39:44 PM
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Grand Kirby posted...

- Since I live in LA, I kept on getting distracted by the inaccuracies about how the train lines were depicted in the chase scene. I'm not certain the stations didn't look like that back in the mid 90s, but we definitely didn't have the TAP system in place then.


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CoolCly
03/13/19 3:41:37 PM
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hot take

Cap/Widow interactions were never romantic. it's a friendship built on two agents figuring out if they can trust eachother.

Bruce/Widow interactions in Avengers 1, while rather low key, actually due flow into the romance in Age of Ultron

Though the romance isn't really that great anyways. but its ok.
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XIII_rocks
03/13/19 3:46:01 PM
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Yeah I never saw Cap/Widow as sexual
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Jakyl25
03/13/19 3:51:47 PM
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Cap has more sexual tension with Falcon
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Grand Kirby
03/13/19 4:21:53 PM
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Cap/Widow can't even come close to competing with Cap/Bucky
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DeathChicken
03/13/19 4:34:22 PM
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Obellisk posted...
Stan Lee question.

Was that Stan Lee cameoing as Stan Lee reading his MallRats script for his MallRats cameo?

It was, and that scene made Kevin Smith start crying in the theater realizing he became a reference after 20 years of making Marvel references
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skullbone
03/13/19 4:42:19 PM
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If some of Stan Lee's other cameos are all connected, it's pretty funny that Marvel comic books in the MCU are potentially non-fiction
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Jakyl25
03/13/19 4:46:03 PM
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skullbone posted...
If some of Stan Lee's other cameos are all connected, it's pretty funny that Marvel comic books in the MCU are potentially non-fiction


Its actually consistent with how it works in the comics universe, at least in the Silver Age

I remember reading Namors first Silver Age appearance, and its basically Human Torch on a tantrum running away to live in a homeless shelter, finding some old Sub-Mariner comics, and realizing another guy thats living there is Namor with amnesia
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Obellisk
03/13/19 4:47:01 PM
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That's just it. How does Stan Lee cameo as Stan Lee creator of Marvel comics in a Marvel universe movie.

Its like they just shattered everything here.
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Jakyl25
03/13/19 4:48:45 PM
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And IIRC we saw Captain America Comics #1 being distributed in Captain America: The First Avenger
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XIII_rocks
03/13/19 4:51:02 PM
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Logan did this too
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Waluigi1
03/13/19 7:12:06 PM
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ExThaNemesis posted...
does Brie Larson sing Black Sheep in this movie y/n

Omg you just blew my mind! I how did I not realize Brie Larson was Envy! I feel dumb now.
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Waluigi1
03/13/19 7:59:51 PM
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That slight smile she gave Stan though. I took it as her recognizing what he was.
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NBIceman
03/14/19 5:55:15 PM
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There are 100% romantic undertones for Cap/Widow in Winter Soldier. They're not present anywhere else in the MCU, but they're definitely there in that movie. They can be pretty subtle, but that's part of what makes them so good.

Maybe "romantic" isn't even the right description. "Heavily flirtatious" might be better.
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CoolCly
03/14/19 6:32:20 PM
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They actually aren't there. It's always puzzled me how people misunderstand those scenes so often.

Like this point:

XIII_rocks posted...
Yeah I never saw Cap/Widow as sexual


The thing is, there actually is some sexual undertones in Winter Soldier, they just are never romantic. The scenes people are misunderstanding are moments where Widow lightly points her seduction techniques at Cap. But this isn't genuine - she's messing with him. It's not a good thing either - it damages their relationship because she's insulting him. Which is part of her insecurity of trusting people. But Cap sees through this shit and they grow to trust eachother anyways.

People projecting a romantic relationship here to me seems like a pretty classic case of "oh well theres a guy and a girl and they have good chemistry so obviously they belong together." Just like Widow and Hawkeye in Avengers one. This one is just slightly clouded by the few moments where it looks like Widow is flirting with Cap.... but one second of thinking about her character would tell you that it's not genuine flirting. Like if you think of Widow and how she spends all of her time being a spy that manipulates people, often through flirting and sex, how do you think flirting would look like from her towards someone she actually likes? would it look like how she was treating Cap in those scenes?

It's literally a scene in Age of Ultron where Banner deflects the idea that Widow is genuinely flirting with him because that's just what she does, and Cap says that he's seen that kind of flirting up close, and what she's doing with Banner isn't the same thing. Because that's exactly what she was doing in Winter Soldier. He's referencing an actual nuance to their interactions that occurred, which was non genuine flirting.

So for people to refer to those same interactions as an example of their romantic tension is missing the point.
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CoolCly
03/14/19 6:33:21 PM
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Not that I'm calling you out as wrong there XIII, the way you phrased that just seemed like a good way to begin my discussion
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Waluigi1
03/14/19 6:43:31 PM
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That was well put.
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XIII_rocks
03/15/19 1:15:46 AM
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Nah you're right

I guess I meant "romantic" more than sexual
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LinkMarioSamus
03/15/19 4:25:52 PM
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Okay, finally saw the movie, and while I'm glad I did, it feels like it was made with a checklist in mind as to what to get in the movie, without much thought as to how to put it together properly or just generally tell a good story. That being said, I enjoyed seeing how it ties into the greater MCU enough that it wasn't a complete bore, but at the end of the day it felt more like a feature-length "get to know Captain Marvel" deal than a real movie.

I apologise for sounding so negative. I liked this movie more than I thought I would and don't think it's bad, just not very good either. Will go into more detail later.
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Seanchan
03/15/19 7:17:59 PM
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I saw this last week. It was...good and I enjoyed it, but something about it felt off. Comments that it felt like a Phase 1/early Phase 2 movie kinda get at the point. It wasn't just that it was an origin story. It was also the focus on SHIELD and the Tessarect. Both things that haven't really been...the focus...in the MCU in quite a while.

But there was something else that bothered me. Another poster mentioned how that No Doubt song, Just A Girl, didn't fit for that fight. And that was EXACTLY my reaction in the theater. It just clashed and made me cringe a little.

But I struggled to understand why. It's not the "girl power" aspect of it. I really liked that montage of her getting back up. So that's not it.

And then it came to me. All those 90s songs made parts of this movie feel like all those forgettable "teen" movies that would get advertised on MTV back then. The ones that would be filled with whatever pop music was popular at the time. It's like they felt "out of place" in Captain Marvel, even though they of course don't, because the movie takes place during that time frame.

Is it just that I grew up and remember the 90s and that I can't disassociate the songs with my own memories of that time? Is there something intrinsic to the music itself?

But I contrast that with the Guardians movies. The music choices there just feel more harmoniously linked with the direction and cinematography. They drew me into the scenes and amplified my enjoyment, such as the opening of GotG2 with ELO's Mr Blue Sky, or when they're all singing (was it Rubberband Man?) as they're piloting the ship.

I'm probably not explaining this very well...
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