Board 8 > Umineko readthrough part 4 by Arria (blind) and Kira (2nd reading) SPOILERS OKAY

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Cyouni
07/13/19 6:39:42 PM
#101:


Eerieka posted...
Oooh, between all the envy math we are told that Shannon has about three shifts per week at the Ushiromiya mansion. This was something I was wondering earlier, since I figured Shannon and Kanon have never been on duty at the same time. If Shannon and Kanon each have three shifts, possibly on different days, it would make sense. I mean, shed be working 6 days a week and that sucks, but its possible


I think the other thing to consider is that Yasu has 0 life outside the Ushiromiya mansion. Schooled on the island, works on the island - I think the only times Yasu's really been off the island are the aquarium vacation with George and Separate Rooms, and Jessica's school festival.
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Eerieka
07/13/19 8:51:10 PM
#102:


Cyouni posted...
Eerieka posted...
Oooh, between all the envy math we are told that Shannon has about three shifts per week at the Ushiromiya mansion. This was something I was wondering earlier, since I figured Shannon and Kanon have never been on duty at the same time. If Shannon and Kanon each have three shifts, possibly on different days, it would make sense. I mean, shed be working 6 days a week and that sucks, but its possible


I think the other thing to consider is that Yasu has 0 life outside the Ushiromiya mansion. Schooled on the island, works on the island - I think the only times Yasu's really been off the island are the aquarium vacation with George and Separate Rooms, and Jessica's school festival.


True. I just liked having some confirmation of how the Shannon/Kanon logistics worked. If I had been told that both work 5 days a week, my take-away would not have only been 'well, Yasu has had a LOT of practice in pretending to be two people at once.' Mostly I would also think Krauss, Natsuhi, and Jessica would have had a lot more opportunities to figure it out. At least this way, there's some leeway to how they never noticed (Jessica in particular, since I'm not sure how attentive Krauss or Natsuhi would be to two servants).
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AxemRedRanger
07/13/19 9:21:31 PM
#103:


The Fukuin House dorm and Shannon's elementary school (same school Jessica went to) were actually both on Niijima (presumably their middle school and Jessica's high school were there too), so Shannon has spent a good deal of time there. She doesn't really have any friends at the former though, and her work shifts made it difficult to spend time and get close to any friends she made at school - so it doesn't seem like she had any strong ties to Niijima. Also the real Niijima apparently only has a population of ~2700 so still pretty small.

Since Shannon is allegedly 16 as of 1986 (actually 19 but you know) and the culture festival indicates she's never been to a high school, it seems she probably dropped out after graduating from middle school, which is when mandatory education in Japan ends. By that point she'd have already solved the epitaph.
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Eerieka
07/13/19 10:58:07 PM
#104:


Yeah, when Cyouni mentioned 'the island' I sorta took that to mean Rokkenjima + Niijima. Either way, she didn't have much socialization off Rokkenjima.

I didn't know how long mandatory education in Japan was, but I'm not surprised to hear she dropped out early. Then again, how closely does Fukuin/the Ushiromiyas really care about Japanese law? What does it say about using orphans as servants in the first place? And yes, I know most of the servants are older, Sayo was an exception, and they're well-paid + the experience helps them later in life. I'm just curious about the legality of it in general.
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Eerieka
07/15/19 2:56:25 AM
#105:


Kanon kills Rosa, and the game mentions how her blood looked like a rose petal in her tea.
A: So he poisoned her? Is that what this possibly represent? He poisoned her tea?

Then Maria appears and screams about HOW DARE YOU KILL MAMA?!
A: Oh for fucks sake.

A: Wow, I predicted this fairly accurately! Would you like to know my reasoning? I thought they would kill off one parent from each group, and I was sorta secretly hoping Maria would go as for Genji and Gohda, I just picked one at random. Lastly, I figured we couldnt have Jessica, George, Shannon, Kanon, and Battler.
(I didnt hear her whole list, and wanted to make sure if I heard she included Battler or not)
A: (she repeats it). At this point, I dont think Beatrice is going to kill Battler.
K: (But does she think Battler will kill Battler?)
A: And Erika is excluded because shes the detective
K: Not yet. Remember, Battler hasnt given her detective authority yet.
A: OH! Ohh
K: So any Knox rules about detective dont apply to her
(I wondered if she would look up the rules and try to see the loop hole Erika uses, but she doesnt)
Instead she comes up with this:
A: Do the Knox rules state anywhere that there can only be one detective?
K: I dont think so. In fact, Im sure there are mystery novels where we see two characters points of view and they are both counted as detectives.

Then Maria holds up Sakutaro. Arria sees this scene largely the same way I do. Literally a little girl holding up her stuffed lion and wondering wtf is happening.

Shannon appears. Or rather, Sayo will kill both Rosa and Maria.
A: Ah, so now its your partner in crimes turn.

Maria laughs like a maniac a few times
A: Youve had two whole lines of dialogue which are nothing but evil laughter

Maria: Crush me then!
A: Wow! This is fucked up! I know I kinda secretly like it when Maria dies, but this is really fucked up!
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Eerieka
07/16/19 9:39:14 PM
#106:


Zepar and Furfur: Now who will Beatrice choose~
As the scene was changing, for a moment Arria thought we would be in Kinzos study based on the background pictures.
A: No bitch, you cant kill Kinzo, it doesnt work like thatOh Natsuhi. Huh

Natsuhi flashbacks to how her mother used to wait for her dad and she would wake up the kids to greet him no matter how late he was out.
A: thats a pretty jackass thing to do. Fucker stays late at the office, goes to a bar, comes home stumbling drunk and his wife is kneeling at the door with the kids?
K: Remember hes a Shinto priest.
A: Ah, right.
K: I mean, he could still have gone to a bar.

Beatrice tries to kill Natsuhi, but she holds up the spirit mirror which has a hateful effect on her
A: I wonder how this would play out if Natsuhi actually killed her. Like, everyone walks in, and the girl from the portrait is there. How awkward would that be?

Beatrice talks about how much she loves Battler and she wants him to notice her (sempai~)
A: Congrats, Battler, you literally created a monster.

Lucifer helps Beatrice and knocks the mirror out of Natsuhis hand.
A: What would she have done if she escaped? Help! The woman from the portrait is trying to murder me!

Battler shows up to order Lucifer to finish off Natsuhi. Afterward, Beato and Battler have a nice conversation and he says call me whatever you want.
A: Is he on pot? A while ago he was flipping out at her, now hes like *pretends to smoke* Mm, call me whatever, man~
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Eerieka
07/20/19 10:22:13 AM
#107:


A: The more I look at Zepar and Furfur, the more I think theyre kinda cute

Back to Ange and Hachijo talking about the story as a whole.
A: I appreciate this little oh hey, do you remember this thing that happened? Its useful after our little hiatus.

Amakusa is here, too, just to interject occasionally
A: Im still trying to get a grasp on his purpose.
K: He might literally just be eye candy.

We get to a scene with Erika
A: You know what would have been funny? If everyone knew she wasnt the detective, so Beatrice killed her. And then all her cunning detective plans go crumbling down.

The games clock shows up at the end of the chapter and 1 hour has passed.
A: All that shit, just for one hour!

Erika says she wont activate her detective authority so the victory will be that much better. Bern adds that shes going to throw Erika into the worst Fragment imaginable if she loses.
A: Erika has a face like um, I didnt agree to this?

Lambda says this will be the last game, so go all out!
A: Meanwhile, those of us on THIS level of the Metaverse know thats bullshit because Umineko Episodes 7 and 8 exist. God only knows what YOU (pointing to me, Kira) know on your level of the metaverse
K: Good point!

Erika: (nervously): This is my own will. I agree to the terms and conditions.
A: And you say this as someone who doesnt have a gun to the back of her head.

Scene changes back to the cousins in their bedroom.
A: Is Battler gonna kill himself?
K: I wasnt going to lead you into it, buuuut I was hoping youd think of this on your own. If Battler is part of the group of six who must murder, who would he kill?
A: Himself

Now to the scene where the adult men find Battlers body
A: I just noticed how Rudolf and Krausss One-winged eagle could be combined to make a full eagle.
K: Yeah, they both go opposite directions.
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Eerieka
07/23/19 11:08:00 AM
#108:


And we see Battler dead
A: Yep, he did it. The madman did it!

Batter in the Metaverse tells Erika something along the lines of sometimes you have to kill yourself to keep things from getting stale.
A: Wow.

Dlanor shows up to offer her support to Erika
A: Was wondering when youd show up.

Erika performs an investigation on the corpses, but they are not thorough due to not having detectives authority.
A: Oh, this is new. (looking at the profiles which show people as half-dead) I assume this will change later, and well get more information.

Dlanor says that the master keys were not use, and every door as locked from the inside
A: Damn this game! I thought I had at least one victory with Jessica/Ronove vs. Kyrie. Well, Rosa could have still been poisoned. She locked the door before drinking.

A: I think I know how the parlor happened. Lets say Kanon was the culprit. Rosa goes into the parlor and drinks her poisoned tea, but also Kanon smoothers her. He leaves. Maria walks in and freaks out over her mothers body. She locks herself in the room because shes scared, and also knocked over the coat rack which locks the door. Then she got thirsty, drank the tea, and croaked.
K: But what if Kanon is the coat rack?
A: Damn you.
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Mega Mana
07/23/19 11:32:43 AM
#109:


Eerieka posted...
A: I think I know how the parlor happened. Lets say Kanon was the culprit. Rosa goes into the parlor and drinks her poisoned tea, but also Kanon smoothers her. He leaves. Maria walks in and freaks out over her mothers body. She locks herself in the room because shes scared, and also knocked over the coat rack which locks the door. Then she got thirsty, drank the tea, and croaked.
K: But what if Kanon is the coat rack?
A: Damn you.


XD

Damn, I'm not remembering this case at all. So Battler commits "suicide" but he's trapped in the closet later? This is the episode where all who remain are taped into two separate rooms, right, and these "half-deaths" become brutal beheadings later?

I honestly don't remember anything going on right now after Love Trials

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Eerieka
07/23/19 2:51:07 PM
#110:


Mega Mana posted...
Eerieka posted...
A: I think I know how the parlor happened. Lets say Kanon was the culprit. Rosa goes into the parlor and drinks her poisoned tea, but also Kanon smoothers her. He leaves. Maria walks in and freaks out over her mothers body. She locks herself in the room because shes scared, and also knocked over the coat rack which locks the door. Then she got thirsty, drank the tea, and croaked.
K: But what if Kanon is the coat rack?
A: Damn you.


XD

Damn, I'm not remembering this case at all. So Battler commits "suicide" but he's trapped in the closet later? This is the episode where all who remain are taped into two separate rooms, right, and these "half-deaths" become brutal beheadings later?

I honestly don't remember anything going on right now after Love Trials


Yeah, that's all correct. In this case, Rosa and Maria didn't die at all. Not because of Kanon, at least, or poisoned tea or anything else Arria has going through her head. They'll die later when Erika cuts their heads off.

Although I am proud of Arria for now trying to see through the magical scenes and reconstruct the murder realistically.
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Eerieka
07/28/19 8:26:14 PM
#111:


bump. Went on vacation and didn't have any opportunity to update. Will do so later
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Eerieka
07/29/19 1:09:32 PM
#112:


Lambda discusses the possibility that they arent really dead. Merely pretending.
A: Just once, I would laugh my ass off if the were just putting on a murder party. (Arria then proceeds to literally describe the initial set-up of this episode). Like, just once I want them to be like oh no, there was no murder. This is all fake blood! Were rich, so we have servants to clean it up. Dont worry!

A: I wonder if Kyries death was caused by fire or smoke inhalation or something like that. Part of her scene described burning and Jessicas fists were on fire. We know people and objects cant go between rooms in a closed room mystery, but I assume air can still get through, or else everyone dies of suffocation. So maybe they closed her in and set a fire and blew the smoke inside? As for Natsuhi, uh maybe she choked on a walnut? I got nothing

Battler refuses to say when the victims died.
Erika: So are you saying that Krauss and Rudolf and them killed you all?
A: No, thats what he WANTS you to think.

Arria notes that when Rudolf, Krauss, and Hideyoshi stand in the order theyre standing in, they look like The Rowdyruff Boys, lol.

A: I like how Krauss tells them to keep hope alive, we all have someone to live for, etc. and then Erika is like nah theyll probably die before this is over.
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Eerieka
07/30/19 6:36:15 PM
#113:


05/31/19
Day 43

We start with Rudolf saying Kyrie, Battler. damn it! I didnt get a chance to tell you!
A: Oh shit, he did switch those babies, didnt he? Did his waifu know? I forgot her name
K: Asumu? I doubt he told her.

Erika is trying to get Krauss to go stay with the cousins
A: Question: Since Erika is not the detective, can she be killed?
K: Im not sure. Check the Knox rules. I would imagine killing the detective would be disallowed, but since shes not a detective I guess it would be the Game Masters choice.
A: Yeah, that would be a fuck you move from Battler.
We checked the Knox rules to see if anything firmly went against it. I was sorta waiting for Arria to check the rules about detectives to see how long it would take for her to remember the rule the detective must not be the culprit. Finally she saw it here and called it out.
A: Oooh, that would be a dark chess move. Erika killed Battler. Thats going to be my working hypothesis for now.

Game: When theres a group of confused men, one composed member of the opposite sex can control them
A: Nicely written, Ryukishi. I will admit Ive used this to my advantage. Also, it works in reverse. A group of confused women can also be controlled by one composed man.

Hideyoshi tries to convince Erika that the Ushiromiya family all love each other and would never kill one another.
A: Ehh, debatable! Do I believe your wife loves you? Yes. Do I believe Eva would murder everyone but you and George? Also yes.

Rudolf says that Kyrie would not hesitate to bite a finger off. Reminds me of when Battler had his finger bitten off to save him from being in that room. Arria took a moment to talk about a book series she liked where women in a court would occasionally try to kill their husbands, but it was beneficial because it kept them on their toes.

Hideyoshi talks about how Rosa and Maria could have been killed
A: Mmm, I think I like my idea with the poisoned tea.
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Eerieka
08/02/19 5:47:57 PM
#114:


Erika mentions there can be multiple culprits
A: Are they hitting us over the head with this clue bat? That there can be multiple culprits?
K: I thought you were about to ask about something else.
She rereads some of the last few lines, including how Rosa would not be surprised by someone unknown to her.
A: Is this the clue bat I missed? It was someone in the family?
K: I was thinking more of this episode in general. Disregard.

Erika, Rudolf, and Hideyoshi talk about devices or wires that could lock a chain from the outside.
A: Is this true, though? Wasnt this already denied in red? Or wouldnt this violate some Knox rule about convoluted devices?
K: You have a point.
A: Erika really is a manipulative bitch, isnt she? Shes just playing these men like fiddles.

Arria rechecked who had been murdered
A: Oh, it was all the mothers. Interesting.
K: Yeah, this is one way I remember who was killed this episode.

A: So Erika made the men suspicious of the servants. Is she now going to go to the servants and make them suspicious of the menfolk?
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Eerieka
08/04/19 4:57:33 PM
#115:


We go to Metaverse Battler and Beatrice.
Battler: I used to think the witch side had such an advantage. Now I see its like that game where you stick knives in a barrel and try not to stab the mustache guy inside.
A: Nanjo? Please dont stab the walrus. He just wants the fish inside that barrel

Chick Beato says she must become one with her elder sister in order to please Battler.
A: I think she missed the point. Like, comically missed the point. And this coming from someone who only vaguely understands whats going on.

Beato is afraid of dying when the game ends, but Battler says he understands magic and he can carry her onward
A: I wonder if this was some sort of contingency plan from Lambdadelta. Quick, turn Battler into a sorcerer in case Bernkastel traps her in a game forever!
K: I think a lot of this scene is also Ryukishi thinking about his friend who had died around this time.
A: Ah. I get it.

Chick-Beato mentions the time Battler said small bombs
A: I love how that became such a meta joke it came back around and actually made its way into the game. Also, its sorta like chick-Beatrice making fun of chick-Battler.
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Eerieka
08/07/19 7:57:01 PM
#116:


Chick Beato and Elder Beato talk. She has a line that means a lot to me now. It might mean successful love is worth two destroyed loves. Arria is just sitting there thinking and I can practically see the hamster spinning in her head, but I bet its something completely unrelated.

A: I was thinking that Beatrice shouldnt be playing against them anyway. Theyre playing a different game. A sort of give-and-take with Battler. Im not actually sure how The Divine Comedy ends, but this seems like Dante went through hell, purgatory, and heaven, met Beatrice, and then he kicked her off the seat next to God and threw her down to hell.

A: Im also wondering what in the fuck Zepar and Furfur are really supposed to be. Right now theyre just the worlds scariest matchmakers. Scarier than the undertaker, we are meeting our matchmaker.

Erika reports the result of her fight to Bern and Lambda.
Game: She was like a kid who went shopping, then only bought candy
A: I love that comparison, because she sounds like a kid right now.

Bern talks about how she wanted a total victory where she could humiliate Beatrice
A: Is this like the witch version of when people beat up on nerdy otaku?
K: Kinda. A lot of what shes saying actually reminds me of how Beatrice is treated in Umineko threads on 4chan Anonymous is Bernkastel or vice-versa.
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Eerieka
08/11/19 5:35:56 AM
#117:


Battler pops in and interjects his opinion. Lambda says its not polite to eavesdrop, to which Battler says look in a mirror. Lambda then actually looks in a mirror
A: *snorts* Oh my fuck. Sometimes Lambdadelta sometimes you amuse me. I imagine her pulling a mirror out of thin air and being like where, where is it?! Whats on my face?
The game then spills out thats precisely what happened
A: Oh my god, this is so great. The game even says shes pretending to be stupid in her own special way. Yes, Lambdadelta, you are special.

Bern threatens to throw Erika in the deepest depths of oblivion, etc.
A: I want to watch a porno written by Ryukishi.

Theres a line about how Lambdadelta is the only one who can control Berns temper tantrums
A: Of course shes the only one who can control her spouse.

Battler and Dlanor talk shit about Erika.
A: I like the idea that while this conversation is happening, Erika and the witches are still here just listening in. Its like two queens bickering, and then turning to the servant and asking okay, what did these two tarts just talk about?

Battler says that although he should hate Erika as a rival, he doesnt need to hate her as a person
A: You probably should, though
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Eerieka
08/13/19 8:00:02 PM
#118:


DUCT TAPE
So we had the scene where Battler gives Erika tape and yeah this is something I incorporate in my real life. Before Arria ever played Umineko, she handed me duct tape for some reason and I said that quote I Erika have DUCT TAPE! Arria remembered that moment, and how she looked at me like I was crazy. I also told her how recently I needed to fix my work badge, and I took a look around the lab, saw the tape, and was like Yes, this is what an Erika would use! And I am an Erika!

Back to Furfur and Zepar shenanigans. They do something silly and theres a sound effect of the audience applauding.
A: Okay, I have one question. Who the hell is in the audience?
K: I think its meant to be us.

She looks at who has died and tries to think of what the motive of the killer in this game would be. With Krauss and Rudolf still alive, the inheritance doesnt change much. Shes not sure if George would get any inheritance with Eva dead, and Im not sure either. I just said it would be a family conference for another day to discuss. But in any case, George seems to care more about being with his waifu than money.

Cannot be THE culprit: Kinzo, Eva, Rosa, Maria, Genji, and Kumasawa. But also Genji and Kumasawa are only on this list because they have magical counterparts, not necessarily because I dont consider them a culprit.
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Dels
08/13/19 8:28:42 PM
#119:


Eerieka posted...

Battler says that although he should hate Erika as a rival, he doesnt need to hate her as a person
A: You probably should, though


Umineko certainly gets strangely "we're all friends ^_^ yay <3" in the end, to the point where Battler considers both Erika and Bern friends... it's a bit weird but whatever
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Eerieka
08/13/19 8:34:05 PM
#120:


Oh, Dels! Welcome to my topic. <3 Glad you could make it. I got Ep 1-5 in the google docs if you're ever bored enough to peruse that.

Yeah, Battler's so weird to Bern. Like, they're "friends" but he'll happily punch the shit out of her too.
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Eerieka
08/16/19 9:27:08 PM
#121:


Zepar and Furfur say they thought one of the lovers would die by now
A: They are the embodiment of a bad chain letter. Resend this to five people or your soul mate will die!

Jessica: Love is for carnivores
A: Well thats a sentence.

They talk about the how the Golden Land is where all love is satisfied, but George, Jessica, and Battler cannot accept that. I had to go to the bathroom and as I left I told Arria to think about what they were talking about. When I came back, she wondered if this whole scene was in Battlers head. She asked: Is Battler alive?
K: Define alive. Actually, define Battler.
A: This fucking game, man.
So we spend a moment trying to define the life and death states of the various Battlers.
A: The guy in the cloak is sorta alive, though he may or may not be the Battler from Episode 1. Battler on the island is well, we were told hes dead, but I dont believe it. I think Erika will kill him, however.
K: The Battler who grew in Asumus womb died as a baby.
A: Some of this just seems sorta ironic. Like George here saying he doesnt support a lovers double suicide. This seems like the thought of somebody who know its about to happen.
K: Okay. Thats a good line of thought.

Zepar and Furfur describe the scenario needed for three teams to fight each other
A: Its a Mexican stand-off.
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Eerieka
08/18/19 8:13:07 PM
#122:


Back to the island, and theres a line about how Game Master Battler didnt want them to go on and on about Kinzo, so he just had Rudolf ignore it.
K: Its kinda weird to me, to imagine someone role playing and literally controlling their father. Or a facsimile of their father, in any case.
A: I think Id be okay with it. Hes not really his father at this point. Hes just a character.

Erika has the survivors separate into two groups comprised of a mix of family members and servants. Six people in each group well, ideally. Except Erika includes herself. Also, Shannon and Kanon are in separate groups. I forgot which group Sayo was actually put in when she decided to save Battler, but well find out soon enough!

Must have been in the group with George, with Sayo dressed as Shannon. This scene has more meat to it, so I imagine it happened. Also Erika is in this room, and I think Sayo sneaks out when she does so shes not locked in with the tape?

They list some of the supplies they had in the room, including cosmetics
A: They gave them cosmetics. That amuses me. Because that is clearly what you need right now.

Erika asked Battler to repeat in red the locations of everyone. She lists everyone, until she says everyone else is in the cousins room and Battler is like define everyone else.
K: Thoughts, Arria?
A: My first thought was that everyone else means everyone else in the fucking world, and that would be uncomfortable.
A: Maybe this is what Battler wanted Erika to say. Because its a stupid trap and theyre now just fucking with each other over grammar.
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Eerieka
08/20/19 8:24:10 PM
#123:


Course I think its fascinating because Battler cant say Kanon is in that room because Shannon is in the next room over therefore Sayos body is in the room with George.

Shes now looking over the names and checking their profiles, and she thinks Jessica may have sneaked out because she needs to get her inhaler. Lol Arria. The seals are going to be put on right away~

Finally Battler says everyone else is in the other room, which in his brain doesnt include Kanon, but does include all other bodies on the island. I am okay with that. Arria calls him an idiot lol.

Erika seals the cousins room and the room next to it.

A: I like how they use the concept of a closed room as a defense.

Back to Erika and Dlanor
Dlanor: For you to be so calm wandering around a mansion with a creepy killer, you must be INSANE.
A: *snorts* I love Dlanor so much.

Erika states she put the last bit of tape over the door to the room Battlers body is in, thus sealing him in, and retroactively removing the letter.
A: Can you imagine trying to play D&D with retroactive rules? "oh just kidding, I take back that attack I just did."
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08/23/19 10:41:43 PM
#124:


Ange and Featherine talk about magic, i.e. illusions vs. true magic which are respectively a lie and a trick.

Battler refers to Erikas use of retroactive seal use as dirty
A: Ive heard of dirty poker, but never dirty chess
K: This is literally 4D chess.

A: Do you ever do this as an author? Where you write yourself into a hole?
K: Quite the opposite. Ive spent so much time obsessively considering every scenario and question that might be posed, that I end up thinking of bullshit things I need to include in my story, just so no one brings up the question. (I give her a specific example, basically if the smartest character in my book fails to see a simple solution to his problem, then Ive failed as an author)

Battler is frantically trying to fix his logic error
A: This reminds me of when Im trying to finish a homework assignment Ah! Ah! Gotta hurry! Some points are better than none!

Oh man the sexual innuendo in this scene. Erika says shes gonna break the seal and reveal Battlers naked scenario, and shes all ecstatic about it. Then Dlanor says Shall I turn them ON?
A: This whole scene, I swear to god I am seven years old.
(Dlanor was referring to the light, of course, but come on)

Lambdadelta says she sees their game as poker
A: Fuck, I made this joke a long time ago that theyre all playing a different game. I hate when Im right, as usual.

They talk about how they will take their turns simultaneously.
A: I agree with Beato about this being confusing, what with retroactive moves and timey wimey wibbly wobbly stuff. I liked it when we went in linear time!
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08/27/19 9:27:39 PM
#125:


Day 43 (06/29/2019)

I told Arria I couldnt remember where we left off
A: Judging by the picture, it looks like Erika and Battler were pissing in each others cereal again
K: Thats most of episode 6!

The meta group discusses how Erika is now in Battlers room and looking for his corpse

Erika mentions in Blue truth that Battler may be hiding in a hidden passage and she will be unable to find him.
Battler and Beatrice bring up Knox rule 3 about no hidden passages existing.
A: Does this only apply to the detective, though?
K: No, this is for everyone. If the rule specifies detective, its detective-only. But for this, Knox wrote this rule for the reader. It would be cheap if an author hid a corpse and then just said well you cant find it because its in a secret door I never told you about!

A: You know what this reminds me of? When a kid plays hide-and-seek with their parents and the kid is like, under the bed giggling, and the parent is like hmm, I wonder where she could be? Is she in the closet? *opens closet*
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08/31/19 9:25:20 PM
#126:


A: Is she this the worlds most elaborate hide-and-seek game or are they raping each other?
K: Yes!
We laugh like idiots.

Erika opens the bathroom door
Arria takes a good hard look at the image with all the barbed wire and shit.

Game: The shower was also at such a height that Erika couldnt reach it
Arria and I look at each other. I am really short, so it was a moment of yeah, Ive been there and done that.

After the scene is over, Arria just laughs
A: I love that. Erika opens the door and ahhhhhh!
A: I wonder if that was also a way to escape. Like, the bathroom floods and eventually someones gotta be like what the fuck is going on in here?! and comes to investigate.
K: To be fair, all the living people are in the guesthouse and this is in the main mansion.

Dlanor says in red no one was seen in the bathroom
A: This is a very specific phrase. No one was seen in a bathroom which is probably super fogged up and she was only in there for a short time and was distracted the whole time. Im on to your stupid fae-word games! You either need an PhD in English or be a wizard to fight a fae!
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Mega Mana
09/03/19 9:52:47 PM
#127:


*hops on the wordplay*

no one was seen in the bathroom

Perhaps that includes ERIKA HERSELF! SHE DOES NOT EXIST (or is a vampire)!

Or it's a bathroom without a mirror.

Also, an update on Mana Plays Higurashi. Still cannot get myself past Maebara seeing Shion and Mion in the same place for the first time, and how mockingly cruel it is. I can enjoy the restaurant hijinks just fine over and over again, but the anxiety causes me to bail out every single time. Think it's been two years now?
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09/05/19 7:00:14 AM
#128:


If you want to play word games, at some level of the meta, Erika is just a corpse that washed up on shore so you're not entirely wrong \_()_/

And THIS Erika is a vampire (points to self) soooo that would definitely fly in red truth. >_>

Why does that Mion and Shion scene give you anxiety? I thought it was awfully nice of Ryukishi to drop the "one person pretending to be two" charade right away (only for him to do it oh-so-expertly in Umineko. Damn you, Ryukishi, you mad genius! *shakes fist*)

~~~

Dlanor throws a blue spear at the closet. Its to represent Erikas blue truth piercing Battler hiding inside, but the imagery is just fantasy fluff.
A: I love Dlanor. I love everything she does, no matter whos side shes on. Shes just so damn cool! I love how shes fantasy and real mystery rules all at once.

Battler: heres my response to your Battler is hiding in the closet
A: *snorts* Im sorry. I know being in the closet is such an old joke at this point, but its low-hanging fruit.

Theres a lot of back and forth which at one point has Bernkastel overrules something
A: I feel like Bern is the equivalent of me grabbing your laptop, going to your story, and erasing the last fifty pages and writing my own fanfiction.

A: Also, all this retroactive bullshit is pissing me off. I get why theyre doing it. But if you knock on my door, and then I open it, close it in your face, and start sealing it, youre going to wonder what the fuck Im doing. Like, if my dog starts chewing on your ass for no reason, youre going to wonder what I fed him!
(I dont even know what this tangent is about, but I like it)

A: You know what this reminds me of? Back in elementary school when kids would pretend to be Pokemon and have Pokemon battles. I use Fire Blast! Oh yeah, well jokes on you, Im actually a Starmie! Im a water type and I use Protect!
K: Yeah, thats basically what this is! Or kids being like I attack with my sword +infinity Oh yeah, well I have a sword of +infinity +1!
A: And the teacher is just sitting back sipping tea.
K: The teacher is Featherine
A: Yeah, I can see that!
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09/05/19 11:12:24 AM
#129:


hmmm its almost like umineko has a theme about children and their imaginations
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09/05/19 2:07:11 PM
#130:


Why does that Mion and Shion scene give you anxiety? I thought it was awfully nice of Ryukishi to drop the "one person pretending to be two" charade right away (only for him to do it oh-so-expertly in Umineko. Damn you, Ryukishi, you mad genius! *shakes fist*)


Because the way Shion acts is so so cruel and feels counter to how she was perceived beforehand. I say perceived because this is a perspective game and what Maebara sees and how he interprets things is not necessarily correct. So, she seems sweet and nervous and likeable despite insisting that Maebara takes her seriously as her own person, and it was fun helping the restaurant, but then after they leave together, she just becomes painfully cruel and arrogant and... let's just say Evatrice.

And it's not so much the two people reveal that gets me anxious because i expect it at some point and Maebara is a jerk for not taking them both seriously about it, but dammmnnn, it's just toxic.
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09/11/19 11:01:10 AM
#131:


I don't think I remember all that toxicity with Shion, Mega Mana. Maybe it was more pronounced in the VN?

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Battler is trapping himself in the logic error
A: Remember the time you were naked on a leash? Those were good times. Everything made sense back then!

Battler has a moment of panic where the screen is all red
A: No good
Battler: Ive made my decision
A: NOTHING good will come of this. Just dont even open your mouth, Battler!

(We take a moment to decide who can save Battler. I have to remind her of who is where, and also the discussion last time about everyone else being in the cousin room. She HATES that both Battler and Erika were cool with that. Which in turn pleases me because I love seeing her struggle. And its so brilliant in hindsight as it allows Kanon to live in Shannon)

A: I think the culprits are Natsuhi, Krauss, and Jessica. Not sure why, but also they have pawns. Shannon and Kanon did kill Rosa and Maria as intended. I think Jessica caught Kyrie snooping around and killed her to protect a secret.
A: Poor Natsuhi. Shes always on my suspect list until the game actually accuses her, and is like no! Not Natsuhi! Shes pure and innocent!
A: For now, I think Natsuhi is not actually dead, and shell save Battler. I have no reasoning for this, or any reason why Battler would side with her or why shed save him, but Im going with it.

A: And then theres the issue of the child from 19 years ago
K: Ah yes, have you given any more thought to that?
A: It might be Battler, it might not be Battler. It might not be THIS Battler. Heres a though: Battler gets mad at his family, goes for a walk on the beach, stumbles and trips, finds the body of a child, and has been blackmailing her with it. And that is his crime from 6 years ago! And thats the sin against Beatrice, because hes using her name to fuck with Natsuhi who didnt actually kill anyone.

A: Also because this family is really into *makes banjo noises*: what if Natsuhi and Krauss want Jessica to marry Battler so he inherits everything and it stays in the family?
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09/15/19 7:39:51 AM
#132:


A: Why would Natushi and Kyrie ever work together other than being the two poor bitches who married into this shit show? I mean, they have reason to work together and it would be terrifying if they did, but I dont see why they would.

A: New crackhead canon! Natushi and Kyrie fall in love, hate their husbands, decide to kill everyone else and raise just their kids on the island. So Jessica, Battler, and Ange get to live happily ever after and the servants are all okay and safe, everyone has horses, and they have a good time! Or maybe they dont kill their husband, but theyre kept hidden away and told to play with their dolls while the women run the show. Look, even my dog is looking at me like Im crazy! Yes, and they have dogs, too. Ange would like a dog, I think. And they make sound investments and everything is restored and nothing bad ever happens.

We return to the story
A: Also, as crazy and impractical as it sounds, I love the idea of Natsuhi in a huge Victorian dress passing a stealth check against Erika.

Battler says hes going to make a daring move. Lambda says hell either be a hero or a madman, and the only difference between the two is whether they live or die.
A: Yeah, pretty true. Good line from her. I almost feel like this is a Lambda from the future who knows whats going to happen and is just poking at things from afar.

Battler screams Erikas name Furudo Eriiiiiikaaaaaa~
I grin
A: You enjoyed that, didnt you?
K: I cant help it. I love the sound of my name being screamed
A: Especially in that tone.
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09/19/19 10:45:27 AM
#133:


Bernkastel has a line where she tells Lambda both to take it easy like an archaeologist and to hurry up like the ice cream man as he scoops out vanilla/soy ice cream.
A: What the fuck? Does Bern HAVE taste buds?

Erika starts going a little more crazier than before
A: She is really something!

A; This game makes me want to bite my way through the monitor
K: I told you Episode 6 would give you that reaction , but I thought it would be for a different reason.

Lambda: Ive made my decision! Battlers move is
*scene cut to everyones face like in anime*
A: And now time for our commercial break!

Bern had a smile which was detailed so well.
A: To put it in the words of The Dresden Files that is a smile which sharks reserve for baby seals.

Dlanor congratulates him on a good move.
A: Again, I love her. Doesnt matter what team shes on. Heck, I dont think shes on any team right now, shes so supportive of everyone.

The game then uses Kyrie as an example for a person who rescued Battler
A: Ah, Im fine with this too! I picked Natsuhi, but I like the idea of Kyrie doing it, too.
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09/22/19 5:11:39 AM
#134:


And then Dlanor claims Ushiromiya Kyrie cannot save Battler.

Dlanor asks for permission to unsheathe her red sword, which is granted, and she draw it out
A: God I hate Umineko! (She says in a tone that she actually loves it)

A: oh fuck, did Erika go around stabbing everyone? because that would be fucked up.

Bern suggests Lambda use another piece
A: Theyre going to shoot down every one, arent they? God I hate this game sometimes

Then Dlanor kills Natsuhis piece
A: Actually, I thought that wasnt as bad as I thought. I thought shed be beheaded. Just smashed to pieces? I can deal with that.

Dlanor has her desu spam and we got a Steam Achievement
A: Yay achievements? For everyones second favorite executioner going murder-hobo.

They talk about the action permissible to humans, but not the detectives
K: You know what it is?
A; She fucking killed them!

Erika admits she killed them all, then Bern says Erika took their heads off
K: You wanted beheadings!
A: Well played, Ryukishi.

A: How did you manage this? With a knife? How are you not covered in blood?!
Erika then answers all her questions.
A: Also fuck you, Ryukishi.
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09/25/19 11:42:11 AM
#135:


Erika beheads everyone is the moment that sold me on her as amazing.
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09/28/19 4:29:04 AM
#136:


It's such a chilling moment! I was already sold on her being amazing, but that scene was still fantastic.

~~~

Erika talks about how everyone was alive until she killed them, and Maria was so good at playing dead while Erika killed her mom in the same room!
A: This is a whole new level of sick and twisted. I see what you mean by intellectual rapist.

We arrive at the part where Erikas voice actress goes absolutely HAM when Erika is showing the seals on the doors. I love this part lol
Erika: Oh yeah, very good! One more!
A: Is she talking about duct tape or does she want a spanking?

Battler traps himself. Erika sets out all the red truth regarding the situation. Arria looks at it for a long moment and thinks about it.

Bern mentions the nippers in the bathroom
A: Did they literally maroon him? Trap him on an island with a gun and one bullet?

Battler: She couldnt mean using the nippers to widen that hole for a hundred years?
A: Hmm, No! Your mind went dark, but not dark enough!

Erika says she wants Battlers wrist, but Bern is gonna turn it into a back scratcher
A; What the fuck
K: Now does her portrait make more sense? With the wrist
A: Oh god
K: Its either his wrist after tearing it off with the nippers or its his hand in marriage to Erika.
A: how did we get from dismemberment to marriage!? This is not a normal thought progression!

Lambda has her line about being trapped in hell, and maaaan I love it. Shivers. The game even acknowledges that, lol, saying that it sends shivers down the spine.
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10/01/19 9:21:31 PM
#137:


A: I really do hate how Umineko asks you to think about a solution, and then you come to it, and then one of the characters will have the same solution and then Bern, or Beatrice in earlier games, will be like WELL YOURE WRONG. So you crumple up the thought and toss it (Arria makes a motion like crumpling a ball of paper and tossing it behind her back). And then theyre like NOW EAT IT (she hands me the invisible crumpled ball)

Arria got pretty mad, so we stopped here lol.

Day 45
8/16/19

Arria finished her lunch and then gave the bowl of leftovers to her dog. As she reached over, she dropped her laptop on my knee. Then we opened Umineko and the first words were why have I always been so clumsy?
A: *laughs* Well thats an appropriate way to start.

We spent a moment remember what happened previous. Battler is trying to escape the room, then chick-Beatrice is like oh Battler, Ill save you!
A: Oh right, and the time she bit his finger in the dark room and I panicked and you were like oh this is actually sweet when you look at it from another angle.
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10/04/19 11:27:08 AM
#138:


STORKS ARE OUT. Gotta read it!

But I'm still gonna update Umineko!

~~~

A: Oh thats dark. Did he intentionally shoot himself in the face? Battler goes through the game through Beatrice to learn the truth, he gets good at battling as his name implies, then he pins her down and wins. Then he learns the truth and Beatrice goes catatonic. Now Erika is here and trying to learn the truth and Battler has gone catatonic. I wonder if this is part of the learning process: going catatonic and requiring the other person to save you.

A: So is this what Beatrice was doing when she was catatonic? Weaseling her way out of Battlers trap so she could be reborn as a phoenix?

Lambda talks about how she went through hell. This is one of my favorite monologues by her and I told Arria to pay attention. This is a topic she has a lot of interest in, the whole abused people continue the cycle
A: Oh, for once my brain-weasels were actually useful. None of the parent in Umineko are good parents. A lot of them abuse their kids emotionally, physically, or both. So it wouldnt be difficult to imagine the tables turned at some point.

A: On a similar note, thats what the twin demons are. They are here to show its just a game, not real. This is just to show Erika there were no real murders, were just gonna pretend.

Beatrice says she will save Battler with certainty and Lambdas like is that a promise you want to make in my presence?
A; bad life choice. Never one-up someone whos title is literally the thing youre trying to one-up.
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10/04/19 11:27:27 AM
#139:


Also, RIP to Popcorn_Fairy. I miss you, friend. Thanks for reading with me.
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10/07/19 5:42:32 AM
#140:


Game (paraphrased by Kira): Battler was catatonic. Beatrice supported him. Ironically, this was the exact opposite of how their relationship started.
A: I do love how sometimes the game is like hey remember that thing you thought about five sentences ago? Here ya go!

And then Zepar and Furfur talk about their image song being released on CD.
A: Well THAT was unexpected. We went from Ill save you from hell! to (squeaky voice) listen to our new CD! Like, damn I have some whiplash from that.

Then Shannon, Jessica, and Kanon say liar!
A: It got weirder
Zepar/Furfur: yep, its a lie!
A: what the fuck are we reading?

A: Also, I thought the game was suspended?
K: They gotta get Battler out of a room somehow
A: Is Beatrice like (makes the motion of sneakily moving chess pieces). Yes, Im aware Im pretending to do this over Battlers corpse.

Zepar says that love is like ice cream: sweet and creamy, but you have to eat it quickly
A: Im not sure Id say love is creamy. Lust, perhaps, but not love.
K: Ah yeah, in Umineko, they difference between love and lust is questionable.

The demons say they will give Beatrice the right to watch the duel
A; This seems spiteful
George: Are you okay with that?
A: Im glad YOU realize it seems spiteful.
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10/12/19 12:53:08 PM
#141:


Beatrice has the thought of their love is real. Why do they need to test it?
A: Thank you!

Zepar and Furfur watch the two Beatos talking about saving Battler and they say they can do it if they have love. Ange then goes on about the ol love catchphrase again that we all love and hate, and asks wtf it has to do with a closed room mystery. Then Featherine says that she has an answer.
Ange: Good for you. You always have a right answer, and youll never tell me.
A: That. Right there. Took the words right out of my mouth. That is how I feel every time we play Umineko.

Featherine then clearly addresses us, the people watching at home, and tells us to think
A: This whole conversation is creepily the two of us.

Featherine says she will not give any answers. Ange cant just read and find out.
A: I get it, Ryukishi. Thanks.

Amakusa appears just to say cool
A: You are literally a set piece here to look pretty, arent you?
K; hes doing his job!

All these lines from Featherine are so clearly Ryukishi talking about himself lol.

Lambda visits Erika and congratulates her on her victory. Oh yeah, didnt I do this last game?
A: This is up there with oh, Im sorry I didnt make it to your funeral last year. Ill try to make it this time.
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10/16/19 10:38:55 PM
#142:


Erika and Lambda talk about when Bern was trapped in hell
A: So Higurashi, right?
K; pretty much.

Erika says her hell may have been shorter than Lambda/Berns, but it was just as deep.
Lambda (while she has the creepy-face sprite): In honor of your victory, Ill listen without arguing
A: Do you not see that face!? Dont argue with someone wearing that face!

Bern rewards Erika with a true witch title and with Battler
Bern: That man is your reward
A: Out of context, I love that line.
K: I know. Me too! Hell, I love it in-context (also internally squealing because one of my favorite lines is coming up)

Bern and Lambda suggest Erika has to marry Battler
A: Are they just torturing her at this point?
K; Partially? I mean, they might also be telling the truth about her becoming territory lord

They say Erika has to put a ring of submission on Battlers finger in exchange.
A: This is really reminding me of Anne Bishops The Dark Jewels series
K: Oh yeah, and its hot.
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10/21/19 5:06:09 AM
#143:


Erika realizes how awesome it would be to be married to Battler and cuck him from Beatrice.
A: You would be fucking a corpse.

The game compares Erika to a spider wrapping Battler up in her web.
A: This is some fucked up shit
Game: Actually, she may have been a wasp, paralyzing her prey
A: Good job game, you picked the one creature worse than spiders.

Erika discusses raping Battler in a room of mirrors with Beatrice in a bid cage watching. It was a scene I remembered reading but couldnt remember if it was in Umineko or in a fanfic or something.
A: Damn, she went from vanilla to hardcore BDSM without missing a beat
K; I know and I love it.

Back to Furfur and Zepar. They talk about how BATTLER and Erika are getting married.
A: Is that a hint? That they didnt all-caps her name.
K: I dont think so. In Japanese, her name is all katakana all the time. The translators probably could have all-capsed her name if they wanted though I wouldnt recommend it because the name Erika in all caps is horrifying. (Speaking from experience, the other day at work one of my co-workers left a note for me about something I needed to do, and he wrote my name in all-caps with thick strong lines and it was scary! I even told him it looked like a serial killer note. Like, if I were in a horror movie and saw that note, I would have done the exact opposite of what it said!)

The Beatrices talk about stealing Battler back
A: Time to go steal us a Battler!

Furfur: Youre going to steal the bridegroom!? Fantastic!
A: *snort* Theyre growing on me
K: I think I always liked them, just because I never took them seriously to begin with.
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10/24/19 11:29:11 PM
#144:


Beatrice asks the demons for help
Zepar says that love can do any impossible thing
A: Yes, but can love see why kids see why kids love cinnamon toast crunch?

A: This is a very meta line, too. If you dont love Umineko, you will never get far enough to see the answer.
K: To be fair, Ive seen some playthroughs of people reading this who hated it, but like I dont understand it? Why would your read something you hate? To bitch about it with some knowledge of what youre talking about? Obligation to finish something you start? I dunno. Its not something I care to do.

Beatrice asks for a hint to a hint
The demons make a big deal about it. Alright, heres your hint. You cant see the answer because you dont have enough love!
A: *laughs* That is the most DM answer Ive ever seen. Just give the same thing backwards. God I love them. I love that response.

Game: Now that the Beatos were out of it
A: I love that sentence.
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10/29/19 10:57:47 AM
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Alive starts playing and I am getting super tense. oh god oh god its time for the duel :(
I told Arria I was having an emotional thing that I couldnt talk about. Arria trolls me by pretending to be done playing for the day. I almost killed her lol.

They get the two guns
A: Pistols at dawn, really?
A: What if you both hit each other?
Kanon: What if we both miss?
A: Not the right question to ask!
K: Theyll ask that later.
A: they as in Shannon and Kanon or George and Jessica?
K Just keep fucking reading!

They get to the garden of golden roses and butterflies. Uggggh, my emotions :( :( :(

A: They really do have such pretty artwork in this game

A: Also, I just imagined the scenario of the wedding. Bern can be like does anyone have any objections and Beatrice is like FIGHT ME BITCH! with guns blazing.
K: Whats another way of initiating a duel?
A: Slapping them with a glove?
K: Yep. Keep reading.

Zepar and Furfur talk about an important number
A; Are we finally gonna talk about quadrillion?
K: Haha, its at least gotta be a number of steps they can take.
A: I wanted them to walk around the world and then come back again and shoot each other.
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Mega Mana
10/29/19 1:42:21 PM
#146:


Yay, this topic still exists! I thought it disappeared!
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Eerieka
10/30/19 8:31:11 PM
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Mega Mana posted...
Yay, this topic still exists! I thought it disappeared!


Haha, no way am I letting this purge, even if it is going more slowly. Since you've posted in this topic, it should be in your active posts list.
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Eerieka
11/02/19 8:34:31 PM
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The game explains the reasoning behind why 19 including saying its the true age of the territory lord of this game.
A: So Battler is 19? I thought he was 18, not that it really matters
K: When those lines were going by, the background was deliberate. What was in the background?
A: Oh Beatrice. Got it. That was a clue that slapped me in the face and I didnt realize!

We got past THAT scene, the one which makes me cry every fucking time when Shannon and Kanon say each other are just in the way Honestly one of the most powerful and important lines in all Umineko, imo. I LOVE the way this version handles the scene, too, with each ones sprite being the only one on a black screen while the talk. So like Shannon talks and Kanon fades, then Kanon talks and Shannon fades. Amazing.

Beatrice has a thought of why must they do this? and then the game asks why is this important to figuring out Battlers closed-room mystery?"
A: The game is taking the words right out of my mouth

We didnt read much today, but I at least needed to get this scene out of my system, so more next week!
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Eerieka
11/06/19 10:48:43 AM
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Day 46 9/20/19

It had been a while, so I had Arria rewatch some scenes from the previous session, namely Shannon and Kanons pre-duel chat.
A: You are feeling some emotions right now.
K: You have no idea. Like, from the start of the duel to the end of Ep 6, I have SO many emotions.
A: Do I need to get hot chocolate?
K: We talked about this a long time ago. I mentioned theres a scene in Ep 6 which makes me horny as hell, and its coming up. You said a long time ago that Im not allowed any hot chocolate or else youll have to get the puppy pads.
A: *laughs* I remember that!
K: Bonus points if you can pinpoint the exact line that makes me the most wet.
A: Challenge accepted!

Virgilia talking to Gaap and Ronove: Limiting your thoughts to just Battlers guest room would be locking yourself in your own closed room
A: I feel like Im getting called out by Virgilia, because Ive been thinking about that and I cant get anywhere. Outside potential Beatrice ex machina

Dlanor appears and she has glasses
A: Has she always had glasses?
K: Nah, Ryukishi just decided he wanted her to have glasses here.
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Eerieka
11/11/19 9:26:27 PM
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Dlanor basically asks why Gaap doesnt think about the solution, even though Dlanor is Erikas piece.
A: I do love how Dlanor is on nobodys side but hers. Like, she doesnt have to answer this but she wants to play.

This group sets up the rooms layout. Then they talk about how the windows seals could be broken,
A: Oh, is it because its raining? Good luck putting tape on a wet window!
K: Not even that much. Its just a loophole in the rules. Erika never tested the windows.

Ronove: the doors were shown to be sealed
Dlanor then appears with her cat-face sprite, wearing glasses
A: Oh my god that is my favorite sprite! Its perfect! I love Dlanor!
Dlanor then had a ahaha.wav and a laughing sprite
A: oh my god, a jump scare from Dlanor!

Gaap forces Dlanor to say in red that the window to the everyone else room was closed. The visual is that they drew swords.
A: I love that Dlanor uses a long sword.
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