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Eerieka
02/20/19 8:39:24 PM
#1:


80/80 hell yeah

WARNING THAT THERE WILL BE SPOILERS FOR ALL OF UMINEKO IN THIS TOPIC. YOU DO NOT NEED TO USE SPOILERS TAGS UNLESS YOU'RE SPOILING A DIFFERENT STORY. DO NOT READ THIS TOPIC IF YOU HAVEN'T FINISHED UMINEKO (or unless you want to get spoiled...)

Arria is reading Umineko blind, but she's not in this topic! This is Kira transcribing her thoughts and inserting my own, and posting them here. Arria will read the topics once she's finished the story.

The topic so far:

Ep 1 and 2:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1_59jGjel11RPbTsaryatO8ROumfZEKxngJmgGcQSmlo/edit?usp=sharing

Ep 3 and 4:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r3tUBsFSgzuxzc1nU7wvb8c2D3OVDeoh2zMZBp2aOy4/edit?usp=sharing

Ep 5:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ufXU3cuPs6ZAXdIIRdxvZkPr9Sedtvga9JBTzAg4Ihs/edit?usp=sharing

Feel free to comment on anything, whether it's from ep 1 or ep 8! We love seeing reactions, discussions, funny pictures, you name it. I'll share anything non-spoilery with Arria and I'll ask her anything you want me to ask her.

We are just starting on Episode 6, a personal favorite of mine now although I hated it when I first read it. I have no idea how Arria will feel about this episode as we get deeper in...
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Eerieka
02/20/19 8:41:17 PM
#2:


@Popcorn_Fairy
@Raka_Putra
@Mega_Mana
@JeffreyRaze
@MariaTaylor

Those are the usual suspects, but of course anyone else is welcome to join in! This topic will probably be here for months, so maybe when Ganon and Dels finish their reading, they can join us here, too.
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JeffreyRaze
02/20/19 8:44:22 PM
#3:


With three playthroughs now things are pretty good. All three have very different tones too, it's fun.
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Eerieka
02/20/19 8:49:56 PM
#4:


Character ranking as of the end of episode 5

(changes since previous episode noted in comments):
Kyrie (Still a gorgeous crazy bitch, you keep your spot but only for now.)
Dlanor (I have a weakness for executioners okay Dont judge me or my bad judiciary puns.)
Natsuhi (Well dear we all knew one of my pets would be put on trial for something looks like you drew the short straw, it did however get you a higher ranking.)
(As an aside the top three this time are the plot of my favorite novel this both says a lot about me and makes me a little uncomfortable.)
Rudolf
Genji
Chiester 00
Ronove
Ange
Mammon
Beatrice (Rest in peace you crazy bitch)
Chiester 556
Satan
Shannon (Due to my new pet theory)
Chiester 45
Belphegor
Virgilia
Gohda
Amakusa
Beelzebub
Gaap (A: I still cannot deal with your shoes, Gaap but you did amuse me more this time round.)
Asmodeus
Battler
Chiester 410
Lucifer
George
Hideyoshi
Kanon
Maria
Eva
Jessica
Leviathan
Krauss (A: You are a spineless little worm and Natsuhi is too good for you, you little bastard.)
The Walrus
Sakutaro
Bernkastel
Erika (Bitch is creezy. Half creepy, half crazy, entirely Put that thing back where it came from or so help me)
Kumasawa
Lambdadelta
Rosa
Kinzo
Kasumi
Eva-Beatrice
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Eerieka
02/20/19 8:50:59 PM
#5:


JeffreyRaze posted...
With three playthroughs now things are pretty good. All three have very different tones too, it's fun.


That's true! Umineko seems to have become very popular recently, but the three topics are different enough that I think it's fun seeing all three lol.
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Popcorn_Fairy
02/20/19 8:57:27 PM
#6:


410 being lower than the other Chiesters is wrong. Even under 556 (RIP) who never even appeared.
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MariaTaylor
02/21/19 1:43:56 AM
#7:


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Mega Mana
02/21/19 7:40:27 AM
#8:


Yessss, can finally post again!!!

Didn't want to bump you into 500 prematurely for like two or three weeks now lol
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Eerieka
02/21/19 11:49:44 AM
#9:


Mega Mana posted...
Yessss, can finally post again!!!

Didn't want to bump you into 500 prematurely for like two or three weeks now lol


Aww, don't hold yourself back because it's close to 500. Your commentary is more valuable to me and Arria than having to make another topic early lol.
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Eerieka
02/21/19 10:55:41 PM
#10:


Episode 6

We open with a shot of the room which was a court last episode, only now its very clearly a wedding chapel.
A: I want to take this seriously, but I cant when I feel like the next words to be spoken are going to be We are gathered here today
Then the narration actually says its a wedding.
A: Oh dear god, how terrible is this going to be? Did Lambda and Bern finally decide to tie the knot?

A: I mean, Im all for weddings between two loli witches if everyone is she stops mid-sentence when Zepar appears on screen. Furfur shows up a moment later
A: Am I still playing Umineko? Who are you? And what the FUCK is wrong with this ones voice? *pointing to Zepar*
K: Dont worry about it.

Bern says some priesty stuff
A: If I ever attend a wedding officiated by Bernkastel, Im going to hope those two go to the courthouse later because aint no way in hell she got officially certified. I dont care that you can get it over the internet, I refuse to believe Bern went on the internet! Actually, if I went to a wedding officiated by Bern, I would turn around and walk the fuck out.

We see Erika in her wedding dress. Arria points out the One-Winged Eagle on her veil
A: Nice touch, but also, fuck you. You dont get to be happy! Who the fuck are you marrying, anyway? Battler?
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Popcorn_Fairy
02/21/19 10:59:10 PM
#11:


Eerieka posted...
Who the fuck are you marrying, anyway? Battler?


No...
Yes...

Maybe.
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Eerieka
02/23/19 4:46:04 AM
#12:


Popcorn_Fairy posted...
No...
Yes...


Haha, this reminds me of what Arria says, well... in this post!

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Bern: What a fitting outfit for one who conquered the groom
K: Oh lawdy, this is already turning me on
A: You are not allowed to drink hot chocolate at ANY point during this wedding!

Game: The white of Erikas dress represented Gods blessing
A: No
Game: And also the white of a demons cruelty
A: Yes!

Game: A great many goats, nobles, and witches attended the wedding
A: How many sacrifices would be made at such an event?
K: A witch wedding with fewer than three sacrifices is considered a dull affair.

Battler struggles to talk while Bern trash-talks him.
A: So are we jumping into the middle of the game again? Like, Battler has already lost and were seeing what happens afterward? Kinda like how last episode we started with Erika accusing Natsuhi.
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Eerieka
02/24/19 6:44:11 AM
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Game: Erika wasnt declaring her love for Battler. She was taking him as her property for all eternity.
K: Oh Jesus, my lust is going off the charts.
A: Do I need to get a mat or something to put on my couch?

Erika mentions that Battler trapped himself in a closed room
A: Yep, looks like were starting in the middle now
K: In medias res.

Erika: Ill defile you forever, Ushiromiya Battler!
A: Wow! You werent lying about the rapist part!

The opening plays. Its Occultics no Majo, which is one of the least spoilery openings, all things considered.
A: I love how the openings are so batshit crazy with spoilers, but you never understand it until later. Like Natsuhi there with all the eyes on her. That doesnt make any sense in Ep 5, but now I get it! And were those glowing red and blue balls becoming gold?
K: Yep, and watch the very end. The island explodes
A: Wow. Neato.
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Raka_Putra
02/24/19 10:41:27 AM
#14:


Eerieka posted...
(As an aside the top three this time are the plot of my favorite novel this both says a lot about me and makes me a little uncomfortable.)

How are Kyrie, Dlanor, and Natsuhi comprising a novel's plot? Also is this your or her commentary lol

Eerieka posted...
Did Lambda and Bern finally decide to tie the knot?

Oh that would be so much better.
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Eerieka
02/24/19 10:57:20 AM
#15:


Raka_Putra posted...
How are Kyrie, Dlanor, and Natsuhi comprising a novel's plot? Also is this your or her commentary lol


That was her commentary. She typed it, and I forgot to put in the "A:" to signify it was her. And she was referring to her commentary on the previous three, and how that commentary also relates to one of the books in the Dresden files which involves "a gorgeous crazy bitch", "an executioner," and "someone who was put on trial for something they didn't do."

Raka_Putra posted...
Oh that would be so much better.


I would read it!

Also, reminds me of this pic I recently found:

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Mega Mana
02/25/19 1:44:14 PM
#16:


Excellent image
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Raka_Putra
02/25/19 8:46:55 PM
#17:


Eerieka posted...

That was her commentary. She typed it, and I forgot to put in the "A:" to signify it was her. And she was referring to her commentary on the previous three, and how that commentary also relates to one of the books in the Dresden files which involves "a gorgeous crazy bitch", "an executioner," and "someone who was put on trial for something they didn't do."

Oh yeah, definitely recipe for fun times shenanigans.

Eerieka posted...


Also, reminds me of this pic I recently found:

I like that template lol
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Eerieka
02/26/19 2:34:41 PM
#18:


Day (38) 1/25/2019

We opened Umineko, but browsed the internet for a moment to look up something unrelated. Umineko was only playing creepy wind sounds.
A: Okay, lets get back into it, so we can listen to actual music rather than creepy wind
Game: All that could be heard was the sound of the wind.
A: Motherfucker. I love it when the game mocks us at a ridiculous meta level.

Stained glass picture
A: I just had a cutaway to that part in Kingdom Hearts with all the Stained Glass

The clock plays
K: Now you get your favorite clock, too
A: This is NOT a fun soundtrack!

The narration talks about being trapped in a room
A: Is this Battler, or someone creepier? Because this is significantly creepier for me
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Raka_Putra
02/26/19 2:37:51 PM
#19:


Eerieka posted...
A: Motherfucker. I love it when the game mocks us at a ridiculous meta level.

She'll get along well with Dels.
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Eerieka
02/27/19 9:23:13 PM
#20:


K: I actually forgot how creepy this part is. The sound is really doing it for me. (Like I'm legit creeped out)
A: Yeah! Its doing it for me too! (shudders)

K: Also, I want to add something. Between writing Ep 5 and Ep 6, Ryukishis best friend died, so theres a change in tone.
(I wasn't sure exactly when it was, but I figured it was somewhere around here?)
A: Oh my god, I can tell. Im not sure if Im reading Umineko or a visual novel version of Until Dawn.

A pleasant, calm song plays as we transition to Ange
A: Thank you for playing some nice music

We get to Ange being woken up by Amakusa
Ange asks where is this?
A: Honey, thats the wrong question. You want to be asking when is this?
K: What are you thinking?
A: In the main timeline, Ange is 6. Are we in that timeline, or the future? Because this Ange does not look 6
K: Oh, okay. I asked because this house has a certain image with like 5 clocks in it.
A: Fuck... you know I hate the clocks in this game!

The calm music briefly stops and we have clock ticks
A: CAN WE GO BACK TO THE MUSIC PLEASE?
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Eerieka
02/28/19 12:02:50 PM
#21:


Hachijos name is mentioned
A: Should I know this name?
K: Nah, just keep going. Youll see her soon. I kinda wonder what youll think of her
She appears
A: Oooh, pretty! I love her purple hime-cut hair. Can we see the rest of her outfit? (She tried to go into the profile section too early)
K: Soon. Her dress sorta goes in to her legs and back out. Its different, but pretty.
A: Shes basically Arria (her character). I love her already!

K: I feel like, if I took you and gave you an infinite amount of time and told you to create an infinite amount of characters, you would eventually create her. She has another name, too, and I think you would eventually name her.
A: I cant wait to see what you think Id name a character.

We then talk about her Japanese name, what it means, etc, as well as her long name starting with Itou, only for Ange to explain it a minute later.

They talk about the Forgeries.
A: I love absolutely meta this is. Also, how fucked up for Ange is it that the death of her family has become a massive meme? And not a good meme! The worst meme!
K: Do you see whats going on with the Forgeries, though?
A: Theyre all different Fragments?
K: Exactly. And different episodes that weve been reading
A: Oh! That makes sense. So did we read the original 2 bottles, and then now were reading Forgeries by Hachijo? or Hachijo and others?
K: I believe Ep 3, 4, and 5 are all Hachijos forgeries.
A: Cool! I like her more and more.
(Arria then remembered something we talked about earlier.)
A: So if shes on this level of story-writing, shes a witch. A creator witch
K: Precisely
(Im not too worried about spoiling it since she gets her witch form pretty soon)
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Eerieka
03/02/19 7:19:02 AM
#22:


The game mentions that people started to believe Hachijos stories were true
A: The idea that its true because people believe its true

One of the background pieces shows a painting which looks like the forest Rosa ran through in Ep 2. Arria asked when that event happened, thinking it was in Ep 3, because she thought it would be cool if Hachijo had an artist depiction of a scene shed written.
A: And yeah, theres three clocks in this room. She has too many clocks! Its creepy! I do like her plants, though also, not sure why shes lighting her house with a bunch of kerosene lamps.
K: She has an image to maintain

We see a background with a TON of books.
A: More proof that she is Arria. I too stack my books like that when I run out of space!
(I thought there was a mention of books in the text, so I asked her what happened. The reason I asked is because Hachijos library is another thing that makes me think of Arria)
K: Ah. Ill talk about it later, but she has a much more impressive library than this.

A: So is she supposed to represent Ryukishis friend who died?
K: No, she IS Ryukishi himself
A: *startled* OH. Oh, I didnt see that one coming. Didnt you say something a long time ago about how Ryukishi might be a woman and just gets a stand-in for cons and signings?
K: Eh, its a fan theory.
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Eerieka
03/03/19 12:50:16 AM
#23:


A: Also, is this Ryukishi speaking to the characters in his head? Like, and then I would say this, and then Ange would be angry. Oh man, this is why I dont talk to the Arria in my head anymore. Remember Re:Creators? Since watching that, I dont talk to the voices in my head! If she came to life, she would want my head on a platter.

Hachijo pulls out the script of the game were reading
A: Reminds me of this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lzeqbws7FiE" data-time="

A: I realize Ive degenerated into nothing but memes and movie clips.

Ange asks whose piece am I this time?
A: And now were playing wizard chess, where you have to actually command your pieces, and they can say no.

Hachijo reveals her witch form
A: OOOOHHH *clicks on profile to see the whole dress. It hasnt appeared yet* Awww
K: Itll probably show up when it reveals her name
A: Okay. Also, I get it. Dragon horns, the medals. Shes the Dragon Knight
K: I like that interpretation. Theres also a reference to Higurashi in her. (I mention Hanyuu)

Ange has a sprite where she lifts her hand and you can see the Heads ring
A: Thats a nice touch! I like it, artists.
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Eerieka
03/04/19 5:25:46 AM
#24:


A: God I love her outfit
K: You cant see it, but shes holding a cane, too.
A: I was wondering why her hand was at that weird angle
K: And her dress is so long her cane is stomping on it
A: *laughs*

Ange agrees to become Reader and miko
K: I dont know if Ive ever called you my miko when I ask you to read my story, but Ive been awfully close a few times
A: *laughs* You may have? Im not sure.
K: I know there have been times when I was about to do it, but then I stopped because I thought oh jeez, Arria is going to think Im telling her to worship me.
A: Haha. So what is this miko business in Umineko? A person who reads a book is a miko of that book? So if I read Turncoat, Im a miko of The Dresden Files?
K: No, I think its that you become the miko of the author. So you would be Jim Butchers miko.
A: Okay. Not a sentence I thought Id ever think about, but I like the concept!

She introduces herself as Featherine Augustus Aurora
A: YEP! That is a name I would name a character! You called it! Aurora is also (the character Arrias) middle name!
K: I know! So now you see, for a long time, just as Ive always self-inserted as Erika in this story, Ive imagined you as Featherine.
A: Yes! I love her!
K: Also, you might be able to see her full outfit in the profiles now
A: *she opens it* oooh, shes so pretty. I love her outfit! I also love how these are colors of the aurora in her skirt. I would totally cosplay as her. Or go to a pride parade dressed as her.

A: Im stealing this character, Like, Im going to start naming things Featherine. Starting with my Arrias horse that Ive been playing with in my head. The horse is something of a prima donna, so I think its fitting she is named after the Witch of Theatregoing and Drama.
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Eerieka
03/05/19 10:47:15 PM
#25:


A: So is Ange the detective in this game?
K: Shes just a reader. Like you if youre reading Agatha Christie, youre a reader, Poirot is the detective. But do pay attention to who the detective is.
A: Gonna go on a limb and say not Battler!
K: Probably safe limb to go out on!

Back to the witches
A: So are they aware of Featherines existence?
K: *thinking* Kinda. On a witch level, they are
A: Okay, fair.

Bern says I dont care what it is, as long as its fun enough to relieve my boredom and crush it.
A: I misread that as relieve my bedroom

Bern says she made a lot of funny faces last game and is gonna get wrinkles
A: Bitch please, youre 12 in witch years. You might be a billion in human years, but youre still a loli!
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Eerieka
03/06/19 9:35:54 PM
#26:


Then Bern mentions that no one knows who invented chess
Arria has a moment of oh yeah, that is true and sad.
Lambda then says exactly that.
A: I love and hate that I just had a Lambdadelta moment.
K: Everyone in the topic is hoping youll eventually come to like her. Itll happen!
A: Shes not easy to like right away

They talk about how Battler was unable to do things until he became a witch/sorcerer
A: This reminds me of how I want to write a text adventure. Like, yes, I have the idea, but I dont have the programming ability. So Battler did the equivalent of sitting in front of a mod kit trying to figure out okay, so then I can put the shrub here like this

The witches are concerned when Beatrice comes in with an elegant curtsy
A: Not normal

The childish chick Beatrice shows up and she calls Battler Otou-sama
A: Yeah *nods furiously* Thats not okay! That is creepy! I would be less worried if shed come bursting in with an ahaha.wav!
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Popcorn_Fairy
03/06/19 10:49:52 PM
#27:


Eerieka posted...
A: I love and hate that I just had a Lambdadelta moment.
K: Everyone in the topic is hoping youll eventually come to like her. Itll happen!
A: Shes not easy to like right away


Lambda is the real MVP
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03/07/19 11:10:23 PM
#28:


A: So has Battler become Kinzo at this point? Also, if Kinzo DID fuck Beatrice and make a daughter, and then fucked that daughter, would their child be Kinzo and Beatrice? Is that his goal? To make the next Head a person who is as much Kinzo as he can get?

Then Battler talks, but we dont see his sprite yet
A: Please dont be wearing Kinzos outfit. Please dont be wearing Kinzos outfit. Please dont be wearing Kinzos outfit
He appears
A: *sigh* Okay, its not Kinzos outfit but its similar. Also, after reading the Dresden Files, any time I see a wizard cape like this, I want to arch my back and hiss like a cat

Battler and Beatrice talk about calling him Battler and not Otou-sama
A: Im not sure how I feel about this. Lets start with this word: Uncomfortable
The narration says the witches were standing to the side with their mouths hanging open. Dlanor also has a moment of wtf
A: I like how were on the witchs side in this situation. Like, youre either with these bitches, or the weird possibly-incestuous pedo who made a sex doll?
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Eerieka
03/08/19 5:17:47 PM
#29:


Popcorn_Fairy posted...
Eerieka posted...
A: I love and hate that I just had a Lambdadelta moment.
K: Everyone in the topic is hoping youll eventually come to like her. Itll happen!
A: Shes not easy to like right away


Lambda is the real MVP


Quote from Arria: Don't you mean MVW?

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Lambda then tells them to get the game started
A: Shes like Okay, I dont give a shit about what sex doll you have hiding in your basement! Nobody is going into anybodys basement! Lets get the game going. Which makes me think Lambdadelta is hiding something really bad in her basement. Probably the whole of Higurashi.

A: Another thing I like is the difference between Battler here and Battler in, like, the start of Ep 3. Then he was being literally tortured by stakes. Now hes the god damn Game Master, all *pretends to straighten tie* Let us begin.

A: Also, youre right. Episode 6 is making me want to smash my head against a wall. I need more whiskey if Im gonna get through this.

Back to Ange and Featherine. They talk about chess pieces and pawns
A: This is going to give me some chess PTSD. Like, one day Im gonna be playing chess and feel bad about sacrificing my pawn.
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Eerieka
03/10/19 7:58:18 AM
#30:


Featherine talks about Sakurtaro and how Maria lost that completely unique stuffed animal
A: I can TASTE the sarcasm in her voice.

A: I just had an idea! When we do lets plays, we should call ourselves The Voyager Witches. Thats what we are! We are witches staving off boredom by enjoying stories.
K: Ooh, yes! I am Kira, Witch of Imagination
A: I can be Arria, Witch of *thinks about it for a while* Hedonism.
(Yes, I know its super cringey for two 29 year old women to play with their OCs, but fuck you, we like it)
A: Also, were going to start referring to ourselves as mikos when we read stories
K: *laughs* Sure, lets do it.

Featherine says that Bern mentioned Beatrices true nature in Ep 1.
A: Have Bern and Lambda existed that long? I thought Ep 1 was all normal
K: She was in the second tea party.
A: Oh, okay. Also, am I supposed to remember this? What Beatos true nature was?
K: They talk about it. Keep reading
They say Beato is a representation of the rules
A: So shes a database. Got it.
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03/13/19 11:04:44 PM
#31:


A: Also, I just want to say that the phrase Territory Lord makes me think of The Black Jewels books, which is not entirely out of character for this game.

Then Genji appeared
A: Gonna be perfectly honest. I did not expect Genji! Like, from out of nowhere! Genji!
A: Im kinda surprised its not Ronove.

Theres some discussion about the sin from 6 years ago, which has been bugging Arria since it was first mentioned, so shes really focused. Featherine says that her interpretation is that Beatrice is Battlers piece because he was responsible for creating her by committing his sin
A: Well that is a very interesting take, and not one I had thought of!

Featherine says she has an idea what Battlers sin was
A: Didnt you write that shit?
K: In this case, yes, the biggest hint is indeed in a story she wrote
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03/15/19 11:45:23 AM
#32:


Then we see Kumasawa inviting Battler to see Beatrice
A: Okay, so now we have Kumasawa instead of Virgilia. Also, please tell me Battler isnt repeating history in a very disturbing manner if hes going to see Beatrice

A: is the sin going to be something like Battler has been dead all along? Has he interacted with people? The piece, not the player.
K: Of course. In Ep 2, he tried to stop Rosa from going nuts. Same thing in Ep 3 for Eva, except Eva shot him. And in Ep 4 he was stuck in his room all night with the cousins, but he spoke to Kyrie over the phone.
(Im still kinda glad Arria thought about this. If only she directed the idea to two other characters who never interact in the same scene with Battler)

Battler rushes into the dining room
A: Shes going to be naked

Kumasawa says Beatrice made dinner
A: Rhododendron and Amanita stew? If she werent lobotomized, thats the kind of food shed make for Battler.
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03/16/19 11:29:03 AM
#33:


Battler takes a moment in the Metaverse to go to a higher meta level and ask Genji why Beato is so wrong
Genjis sprite overlaid on Battlers new cape sprite makes him look like a vampire
A: Hahahahaha, I love this. No vampires in this story! No siree. Also, I love how Battlers little fang makes him look even more like a vampire.

Back to Ange and Featherine, and they talk about Person vs Personality
A: Was Beatrice an only child?
K: Which Beatrice?
A: Oh right! This game is so fucked up that when you ask about a certain character, you have to specify which one! So Kinzos Beatrice is Beatrice 1. They had a kid, Beatrice 2. Was she an only child?
K: I mean Kinzo had four other kids.
A: Im just going to shut up now Okay, but did Beatrice 1 and Kinzo have any other kids?
K: Not that Im aware of. (I dont know if this is really a spoiler at this point, since it would just involve bringing possible other characters who dont exist, so I didnt mind answering it)
(not sure where Arria was headed with this thought. She didnt carry on)

We then got the background with the multiple clocks, all a different time
K: See, this is what I was thinking of when you said Ange should be asking when are we?
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03/17/19 9:30:02 AM
#34:


Featherine says her bit about how only 20% of her readers can think for themselves
A: Methinks Ryukishi is calling people out
K: Oh yeah.

Amakusa begs Ange to keep reading
A: Im imagining him sitting cross-legged at her feet like a child at storytime.

Battler then complains about how the chick Beatrice is nothing like his real Beatrice, who will never come back
K: So are you starting to see what I mean about the tone of the story changing? You can see Ryukishi is grieving over the loss of his friend who will never come back

Beatrice tries to laugh evilly and ahaha.wav
A: That wasnt bad, actually.

Aaand now we are back to the island and Hope is playing. We have a scene with Shannon and Kanon. Man, here we go this is what Ep 6 means to me: the relationship between these two. The hints are all over the place, but theyre pretty subtle. Kanon even says something like you just want to be with me. and Kanon say I cant let you out of my sight.

Kanon says he didnt go to meet Jessica because he had work to do
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03/18/19 10:22:26 AM
#35:


On a non-Umineko related topic, Popcorn Fairy, weren't you the one who mentioned Girls Frontline in the last topic when we were talking about gacha games? I, uhh... wasn't previously interested in gacha, but you said it was a pretty fair game and errm... I may have uh... fallen in love with someone in that game? >_> I may need to seek help.

~~~

A: Also, at this point, Shannons breasts are making me uncomfortable
K: Why is that?
A: Theyre staring at me. Like, I noticed them before, but damn. They really went full anime on that
(This whole scene all I can think of now is how fake they are)

Kanon talks about how Shannon has been deceiving George
A: thats not a conversation normal people have. By the way, Im furniture! Id be ask what Im drinking and/or smoking.

A: The more I see scenes with Shannon, the more Im not sure my theory is wrong. Like, she might literally be crazy.

Kanon: It doesnt matter what I say. If I tell you to stop, you wont listen
A: And shit like this! I feel like this is Kanon saying he wants to stop her from killing everyone, but it wont work. Like, Kanon is saying Shannon, put the stake down. Stop polishing it! This one? The one Im planning to put in Eva?

Shannon: Do you really like Jessica?
A: Because I can spare her! Ill put her in the basement. Ill also take her clothes away, if you want
Shannon: Do you really feel nothing for her?
A: Okay, she goes in the first twilight!
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03/18/19 10:26:48 AM
#36:


Eerieka posted...
On a non-Umineko related topic, Popcorn Fairy, weren't you the one who mentioned Girls Frontline in the last topic when we were talking about gacha games? I, uhh... wasn't previously interested in gacha, but you said it was a pretty fair game and errm... I may have uh... fallen in love with someone in that game? >_> I may need to seek help.


Yes absolutely. Best and most generous gacha of all time. Awesome story, awesome art, awesome soundtrack.

Which Raifu stole your heart?
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03/18/19 10:30:27 AM
#37:


I think her name is Helian/Helianthus? Not sure what the difference is, but I found pics with both those names. God she's beautiful and I want her to dominate me.
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03/18/19 10:32:54 AM
#38:


Ah. She's one of your bosses and appears quite frequently in the storyline.
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03/18/19 10:34:00 AM
#39:


Oh god yes, I am so happy to hear she's my boss. I will follower her every order!
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03/18/19 11:43:40 AM
#40:


...

ahaha.wav
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03/19/19 8:54:45 PM
#41:


(For some context, this is the first time Arria has seen Shannon after coming up with her Shannon-culprit theory. She wasn't entirely on board with the idea, but she did enjoy hamming it up as she did in this scene).

Shannon: I know everything about you, Kanon-kun.
A: I keep it in this file. This one is just a copy. The real one is kept in an off-site location

Kanon: Your head and heart are completely filled by George-sama!
A: thats not all thats filled by George-sama, eh, eh? *elbow bump*

Kanon: Im rooting for you, Shannon!
A: I will be your faithful Igor! Dont kill me!

Kanon: But I love Milady!
A: And I dont know what to do with it! I have all these feelings since she gave me that notebook in elementary school and I dont know what to do with it!

Kanon: What should I do?!
A: Throw her in the pit dug in the basement! Shell be safe there!
(I thought she said pit dog)
A: Yes, throw her in the pit with the pit bull! Itll either kill her or love her to death
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03/20/19 7:52:55 PM
#42:


We took a moment to pause and look at profiles.
A: I like that Kinzo is greyed out already.
She went to the Eiserne Jungfrau
A: I like Gertrudes appearance more than Cornelia
K: I think I prefer Cornelia. Gertrude is almost too tall, and she looks awkward in her uniform.
A: She looks graceful.
K: I prefer Cornelias stocky soldier-like look
A: Also, I like how theyre designed so you can see a little bit of their ass
K: Ryukishi has his fetishes

Kanon: I cannot bear to fall in love again
A: Did you fall in love once before and get your heart broken? Because that would probably bump you up the character ranking, you little asshat

Kanon: Thank you for showing me the sea is blue
A: Please make sure the restraints are tight.

They talk about how only one can achieve happiness
A: Only one of us can blow up Rokkenjima! It shall be me!

Game: We have no choice but to hurt each other
A: Why do you not have any choice but to hurt each other? Im mostly joking around with pretending youre the culprit, but the more you talk about stuff like this, the more I wonder

A: Im guessing even if one of them isnt the culprit, this scene means a lot more than Im seeing.
K: Yeah
A: This is starting to seem like either a murder pact or a suicide pact. Either way its sad. All this shit about how only one of them can be happy? Highly suspicious!
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03/22/19 10:53:55 AM
#43:


Rudolf talks about Kanon looks so gallant and strong
A: yes, we all know what puberty is
Then Eva says he used to look anemic
A: Fucking Eva. Kanon is now thinking this is why my sister has a stake with your name on it.

Kanon and Kumasawa talk, Kanon asking if he really looks different
A: I like how their sprites dont change so they kinda look like theyre being assholes
K: *chuckle*
Then Kumasawa chuckles the EXACT way I just did, and it made us laugh harder
A: I hate how meta you are sometimes.

Kanon asks Jessica the same question
A: Jessica looks like she wants to say YES NOW FUCK ME ALREADY but she cant. She looks so guilty in that sprite.

Kanon talks about how dazzling Jessica is
A: Is he saying this out loud?
Game: Jessica faltered, unsure what Kanon was saying
A: Yep, he said that out loud. Weve gone from progress back to hiding in the bushes. Youre not helping your cause, Kanon.
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03/23/19 10:49:35 AM
#44:


Kanon says he would leave if Shannon leaves
A: Honey, the path you chose will not lead anywhere good.

Jessica: Youre not furniture! Enjoy your life more!
A: Im sure with your ahem affection, he could enjoy his life a lot more.

Kanon: Ive decided to stop being furniture. Just be patient
A: I just have to murder half your family first. Shannon has the other half. We drew lots.

Jessica says Kanon should call her Jessica and not Milady, at least in private not in public
A: Yes, because if Natsuhi hears that, shell have Genji take him out behind the woodshed. Aaand, my brain just went to bad places. I meant to spank him! And yes, I would also spank Genji

Jessica makes Kanon call her Jessica but he has to add san because its embarrassing otherwise
A: This is so cute. Even if it is just Battler playing with his dolls which includes his cousin

Kanon reveals his name as Yoshiya.
A: Oh my god finally.
And then Kanon calls Jessica My lady Jessica and she gets really into it.
A: Methinks someone is a little excited at being called that. Do you need a new pair of panties, Jessica?
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03/25/19 4:13:30 AM
#45:


We talk about the power behind names. Arria said that this whole true name thing bugs her, and it stems from when she watched Spirited Away and you can have your name taken away. I was about to ask her what it might mean in Umineko, but I dont want to ask too many questions yet that will give stuff away.

We stopped here for the night.

A few nights later, she sent this text:

A: Time for Crazy Arrias Convoluted Theory Corner. You have told me once that men have a harder time with Umineko than women do. Is it because men tend to be oblivious to emotions, their own and other peoples? The sentence that has been repeated so often throughout the series without love it cannot be seen it refers to the truth which Battler only got to once he realized he was in love with Beato and that she loved him in her own messed up way. . The snippet in the beginning shows a wedding typically a symbol of love. Is Battler setting up the game to try and make Erika feel love and to find the truth? Yes I know there was nothing a normal person would consider loving there, but Erikas show affection in weird sometimes torturous ways. Maybe he is taking that into account. Love has been a pretty common theme in the B-roll footage for the game, especially on the Witch side. I like the idea of Battler flummoxing Erika with emotion instead of cold logic.
K: Ooh nice ideas, I like them
A: Thank you again for having us play Umineko. Its advice is very useful
K: Sounds like something juicy happened. How did it give you good advice?
A: The stop caring about what unimportant people think lesson given to Ange. Also a heaping helping of Kanons mindset for work. My new mantra for working with this manager is Not human. FURNITURE.
K: Haha
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03/26/19 8:41:57 PM
#46:


Day 39 02/08/19

Before we played, Arria mentioned that she has taken on the name Featherine for use online and in games and whatnot.
K: You grew really attached to her really fast
A: Day 1! As soon as we saw her, I knew I wanted to use her name. I love her already.
K: Its fine. I think you might be Featherines biggest fan, though
A: What about you? Didnt you fall in love with Erika right away?
K: Well, I was happy her name was Erika, but it took me a moment to get over her blue hair. Her personality made up for it, though.
A: You say that like her personality is one of her positives
K: It is! Shes great!
A: Shes the fucking captain of the rape boat!
K: *laugh* You have no idea how accurate that statement is *thinking about Ep 8 where Erika is the captain of the ship trying to take over the Golden Land*
A: Sometimes you say things that scare me Or like the text you sent about furniture. Now Im sitting back here and thinking oh god, what is furniture? Are Shannon and Kanon sex slaves!?
K: *laughs* Youll see.

Before we started reading, Arria read their profiles, since she hadnt done so yet and thought they might have changed something. On Rudolfs page, it mentions Asumu dying 6 years ago
A: Did Battler kill his mother?
K: I dont know. Maybe~
A: Could that be his sin?

Reading Jessicas profile, it says that it is assumed her husband will take headship of the family
A: How fucked is this family?
K: Weve gotten 6 episodes to know them!
A: With how concerned they are about outsiders taking the inheritance, what are the odds they want to marry her off to George or Battler?
K: Interesting thought

On Bernkastels profile:
A: *cute voice* She has a kitty tail~
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03/28/19 8:05:11 PM
#47:


K: So lets talk about some things. Any thoughts so far about anything? Specifically Ep 5
A: First about Ep 5, can I just say HOLY FUCK. That came out of left field. Him taking over the gameboard and being like move along bitches, youre in my house now. And the thing with the gold truth. Very cool, but also very out of left field.

A: Also, I get the feeling Erikas not going to be a detective this time around. Theyll get someone else. Theyll get fucking Natsuhi or someone to be the detective.

A: The demon announcers? They came out of fucking nowhere when I was least expecting to have two new characters. I hardly remember them. I sorta remember their colors, but
K: We might get to them later today
A: *reloads Ep 6 from the beginning* I want to see them now!
Zepar appears
A: Oh god I forgot how totally fucked this ones voice is.
K: *laughs*
A: Are they Bern and Lambdas new pieces? The whole hand-holding thing and Hehe! Love! seems lesbian enough to be them. Or maybe theyre Battlers new pieces. A new game master, new pieces. Actually yeah, if hes trying to fuck with Erika regarding love, thats totally what they are.

Zepar and Furfur go on about how great love is
A: This really does feel like Battler trying to create an NPC for the first time, and well he got that.
K: I think the two demons in Ars Goetia they are based on have something to do with love. *I read them on Wikipedia. Both Wikipedia entries call Zepar and Furfur male*
A: So these are men?
K: This is just their entries in Ars Goetia where everyone is male. Even Gaap is male.
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03/28/19 11:03:20 PM
#48:


Zepar and Furfur go on about how great love is
A: This really does feel like Battler trying to create an NPC for the first time, and well he got that.
K: I think the two demons in Ars Goetia they are based on have something to do with love. *I read them on Wikipedia. Both Wikipedia entries call Zepar and Furfur male*
A: So these are men?
K: This is just their entries in Ars Goetia where everyone is male. Even Gaap is male.


Bwahahahaha!

Walrus confirmed
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03/30/19 7:15:38 AM
#49:


Back to the game Were with Featherine and Ange and theyre talking about how Beatrice is a poor replacement for the original, but its sad because its not her fault she was created
A: This is sad. Also, is Battler going full Kinzo here? Just like how Kinzo had his replacement Beatrice, now Battler has his. Is the whole Ushiromiya family going to have replacement goldfish? Is this how we end up with a million Beatrices? Beatri?

Featherine says time is nothing in the world of gods, and six years can be a thousand.
A: So basically Beatrice was born six years ago.

Ange mentions that Battler stopped visiting Rokkenjima 6 years ago and stopped using the Ushiromiya name
A: How old is Ange again?
K Ange now or in the past?
A: Sorry, yeah, how old is she when the murders happen?
K: 6, I think? I think she was born around the time Asumu died
A: But she remembers things like Battler giving her the hair pins. So he must have visited her, at least.
K: Yeah. He stayed off Rokkenjima and didnt go to the conferences, but he still visited his imouto on occasion.

A: How about this? Battler finds out that dad was cheating on Asumu with Kyrie because Rudolf likes to get his dick into all the things. They get into a scuffle, he accidentally knocks Asumu down the stairs and causes her to miscarry. Hmm...

A: The other thought is Kyrie killed Asumu and Battler kept his mouth shut. No reason for him to do that, except out of fear. But he has so much bravado, and he doesnt seem to fear her. He seems to like her actually. Unless it was an accident or he thought it was an accident. We know she was absolutely torn by jealousy and envy. Ill be honest, I still dont think murder is beyond her. The moment I saw her sprite, I was like yep! I can see you stabbing someone in the back with a boot knife!
(I initially typed stabbed someone in the boot with a back knife. I told Arria about my typo and shes laughing her ass off.)
A: Wonder what a back knife is? Well officer, I found this knife in someones back. I didnt kill them, I swear! I just used it to stab his boots!
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03/31/19 10:41:54 PM
#50:


A: Battler was right. Too much happened 6 years ago, but they have to all be connected. Something triggered it all.

Battler moved out to live with his grandparents. Asumu died. Ange was born. Rudolf married Kyrie. I dont know how big of a time gap there is with all that, but somewhere in there is his sin. And thats just the Battler-oriented things.
We know Battler is not actually Asumus kid. And if we got with the Kyries kid theory, and they swapped babies, thats a dark fucking theory it wouldnt matter to the Ushiromiyas since he would still have the same sire, which is all thats important to them.
At that point, Battlers crime ranged from actively murdering someone to walking out on his family. I suppose the possibility that him walking out on his family caused Kyrie to slip further into her mental state, which is whats causing all the murders now.

A: When did the shrine get blown up? Was that 6 years ago or last year?
K: I dont recall exactly, but I thought George said something about how it was there 'last year'.

A: Kyrie does and does not fit as a culprit. She does because she would absolutely kill a man. She just doesnt fit into the family. She has no way of knowing the bomb exists. She doesnt need money shes part of the fucking yakuza. She can get money through other means. No reason to start this insane plot. Although she would have access to cheap Made in USA paperweights. And if Kyrie is the culprit, Rudolf is going with her as a henchman because he cant do his own thinking. Am I projecting? A little. All the rambling Ive done in the last few minutes might be a little projecting.

A: Also, Kyrie was the one to teach us the critical thinking skills required for this game. It would be a bit odd for the culprit to do that.
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