Board 8 > Fire Emblem Heroes Discussion Topic Part 23: Pitybroken by Legendary Lyn.

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Dark Young Link
03/28/19 12:07:42 AM
#201:


Neither your angel, nor yuor devil (I swear that meme is going to show up on Reddit in less than 24 hours).

Alright let's see the banner...

Red: Legendary Ryoma, Brave Celica, Halloween Myrrh

Nice fodder here, though Ryoma's is a bit more eh. Guidance is nice, not sure how many people want Enemy Phase Swift Sparrow though.

Blue: Legendary Lucina, Ophelia, Legendary Azura

All of these are nice. I've seen all three of these cheese in ARs.

Green Yune, Lewyn, Halloween Kagero

Amusingly enough, Yune herself is the pitybreaker when it comes to fodder. Lewyn has amazing fodder, and Kagero is pretty good as well.

Colorless: Brave Lyn, Halloween Mia, Eir

Oddly enough, Lyn is the one I wouldn't want out of this. Having a second Eir would give me more score in ARs while Mia would be new and she happens to ruin Ophelia(And IP teams in general) teams pretty hard. Lyn has Swift Sparrow at least.

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Cybat
03/28/19 9:46:52 AM
#202:


Yeah, this is one of the better ones we've had overall I think, with both solid units and awesome fodder. Yune's uber-ploy is pretty interesting but we'll see how good she is.
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barreldragon88
03/28/19 3:45:57 PM
#203:


Blue is actually a really good color. Totally expected them to throw in a third whatever unit, but if I didn't have Azura, I would go all in on blue, but I have to go for green
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SantaRPidgey
03/28/19 4:05:17 PM
#204:


Man I can't believe I was playing radiant dawn just last weekend thinking "I bet heroes will put the fucking bird in before they put in Danved"

I guess the bird is a god?? I have no recollection of that from my first time playing through.
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Dark Young Link
03/29/19 12:54:12 AM
#205:


*Looks at Yune's stats*

Boy that's so free for my Lloyd.

Literally 15 neutral max defense and 27 neutral max speed
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MawiIe
03/29/19 3:07:04 AM
#206:


oh neat I got an ophelia with my free pull.

Also I haven't seen a green orb in like my last.. 10 or so pulls which is a bit of a bummer
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MrSmartGuy
03/29/19 7:49:36 AM
#207:


I spent 77 Orbs, with top priorities being Myrrh, Celica, Yune, and Azura, but not being picky on color other than not pulling Colorless unless it bumped my pity rate up. I ended up walking away with a Lucina, Lewyn, Yune, and Azura, all new units to me. This is the first time in what feels like forever that I've done so well on any banner (still waiting on that on-banner pull; my off-banner streak is at 14 now).

Yune is -Atk and Lucina is -Spd, but Azura is +Atk/-Res and Lewyn is +Spd/-Def, which is just lovely.
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barreldragon88
03/29/19 11:07:18 AM
#208:


MrSmartGuy posted...
I spent 77 Orbs, with top priorities being Myrrh, Celica, Yune, and Azura, but not being picky on color other than not pulling Colorless unless it bumped my pity rate up. I ended up walking away with a Lucina, Lewyn, Yune, and Azura, all new units to me. This is the first time in what feels like forever that I've done so well on any banner (still waiting on that on-banner pull; my off-banner streak is at 14 now).

Yune is -Atk and Lucina is -Spd, but Azura is +Atk/-Res and Lewyn is +Spd/-Def, which is just lovely.

Congrats!! That's awesome

This is probably the best Legendary banner we've ever had. Even if i get a dupe, I wouldn't mind because there are absolutely no duds. Of course, this means the next Legendary banner will be crap
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Lopen
03/29/19 11:18:01 AM
#209:


It's ironic people are claiming this is the best one we've had as it may be the first one since their debut I haven't spent and won't spend any orbs on
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KommunistKoala
03/29/19 11:30:26 AM
#210:


30 different colors

1 was green

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Xuxon
03/29/19 1:24:56 PM
#211:


Lopen posted...
It's ironic people are claiming this is the best one we've had as it may be the first one since their debut I haven't spent and won't spend any orbs on

i might not spend any orbs on this but that's more due to the other banners available and lack of interest in the game in general (i've missed dozens of orbs in the past month or so). also the fact that i didn't get any greens in my first session, since that's the only color i'm willing to spend orbs on for this banner.
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barreldragon88
03/29/19 1:44:03 PM
#212:


Yea, green orbs were lacking for me, too. 120ish orbs got me the following:

Dupe Ophelia
Dupe Celica
+Def/-Spd Yune
+Atk/-Spd Lucina

I can now safely fodder Celica. Held onto the neutral one I got for free as I hadn't quite decided if I wanted to use her or fodder her, but constantly having to keep her healed seemed like a hassle, so I didn't bother training her.

Yay for superboon Yune...! Will probably give her DB3 at least

And finally, a Lucina I actually want to use!
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Lopen
03/29/19 2:13:39 PM
#213:


Xuxon posted...
and lack of interest in the game in general (i've missed dozens of orbs in the past month or so)

This is also me I suppose. I only have like 50 orbs and haven't been drawing a ton or anything. Granted I'll have the most orbs coming into the start of next month as I've had for a long time due to spending nothing (I usually 0 on the Heroic banners + waste a lot of start of month influx orbs on em)
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Umbreon
03/29/19 2:19:16 PM
#214:


First pull: No 5*s. That's fine.

Second pull: Four 3*s... And a -Atk L!Ryoma.

I swear if there's a "least wanted" unit on a legendary banner, I'm guaranteed to pull it.
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barreldragon88
03/29/19 2:38:32 PM
#215:


I would have taken any Ryoma. I will probably go back to draw on red lol
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Luis_Sera89
03/29/19 3:07:41 PM
#216:


I agree this is probably the best legendary banner for a while, but I'm not pulling beyond my first circle because I already have good versions of the units I want, and I'd rather save up orbs than spend for merges and skill fodder.

That first circle did get me another Kagero though.
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Dark Young Link
03/30/19 2:39:12 AM
#217:


More summoning on a whim.

Pulled an +Spd Ophelia, I'll probably use her.

In a few more orbs I pulled a -Atk Lewyn. Also known as the easiest Odd Attack Wave fodder ever. Shame I can't give Nino Swift Sparrow or Special Spiral out of it.

Well then again, I don't have to sac him this very moment..
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SantaRPidgey
03/30/19 3:47:37 PM
#218:


12 pulls without a green orb now

amazing
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MrSmartGuy
03/31/19 10:39:46 PM
#219:


I got really stupid and decided I wasn't gonna leave this Mythic Banner without Myrrh or Celica and started pulling again. 14 Orbs later, I got a +HP/-Spd Ryoma to go with my other two +Def/-Spd Ryomas. So I sat on that for a day and decided again that I'm not satisfied with five unique 5* units in only 91 Orbs, and that it's Myrrh/Celica or bust, and gave it another go.

Very first summon was Myrrh. What the fuck is this luck; I'm not used to this....

E: Well, +Spd/-Res kinda sucks, but you know a unit has broken stats when every single one of their first 6 level-ups triggers the 5-6 stat increase dialogue.
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Dark Young Link
04/01/19 3:21:32 AM
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WickIebee
04/01/19 3:39:11 AM
#221:


Man, the powercreep in this game is through the roof.

Too bad for that 0% summon rate, I would have loved super laser beam Feh.

Also for info, the orb accessory seems to be real

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MawiIe
04/03/19 12:03:13 PM
#222:


13 pulls without a green orb

I did get3 5 stars but thats beside the point!
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Yankees
04/03/19 8:10:36 PM
#223:


I threw some orbs at the banner and also got a +Spd Ophelia along with a merge on Lucina and Azura. I pulled red and blue, mainly
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Team Rocket Elite
04/03/19 11:03:36 PM
#224:


https://twitter.com/FE_Heroes_JP/status/1113637312251027456

FEH Channel on April 4 at 11:30pm EDT.
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MawiIe
04/04/19 5:06:02 PM
#225:


I was having trouble with the Garon GHB, like I'm taking +50 attempts

then I pressed auto battle and won

I'm bad at this
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Team Rocket Elite
04/04/19 11:27:24 PM
#226:


FEH Channel is starting soon:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eCXbX8hvvo" data-time="

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Lopen
04/04/19 11:44:13 PM
#227:


I hate this game so much why haven't I uninstalled it yet. Literally everything in that Feh Channel upset me.
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WickIebee
04/04/19 11:45:01 PM
#228:


So instead of dropping a bunch of characters from 5* to 4-5*, we're just removing them from the pool outside of banners that include them. That's... just dumb. It's nice to know we won't get pity broken by old heroes, but still...
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WickIebee
04/04/19 11:48:59 PM
#229:


On a positive note though, I actually like that single battle with additional goals thing. Particularly trying to do it to help make sure friends have some level of bonus from you too.
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Lopen
04/04/19 11:50:25 PM
#230:


Let me elaborate because I'm annoyed I watched that.

Pair up -- potentially neat feature, I'm interested!
1. Locked behind an ability rather than just being something you can generally do
2. Can't do it in any of the actual difficult modes
Garbage.

Allegiance raids or whatever - Hey, a new mode, I'm interested!
1. Oh. It's the same tired "get points and bonuses with weekly reset" and stocks formula we've seen from Arena and Aether Raids. Meet the new mode, same as the old mode.
Garbage.

Aether Resort - this was dead out the gates. Just pointless fluff I don't care about.
1. You can pay orbs to make this fluff even fluffier, so I hate it even more.
Garbage.

Summoning pool overhaul, cool!
1. Hardly any 4-5s drop from 3-4.
2. Instead of dropping the rarity of the 5* exclusive dated units, they're just removed from the pool. Oh.
Garbage.
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Luis_Sera89
04/04/19 11:51:16 PM
#231:


Old 5*s aren't being removed from all banners, just ones including brand new units. They'd still be in banners like the upcoming Odd Wave heroes banner.
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Team Rocket Elite
04/04/19 11:51:48 PM
#232:


Demoting 5* units would put Hector, and thus Distant Counter, into the 4* pool. It's not really realistic for that to happen. I'd have to run a bunch of simulations to see how it works out but just removing the units from the pool might be a reasonable compromise.
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Lopen
04/04/19 11:52:23 PM
#233:


You don't have to demote literally every old 5* unit. There are clearly some that hold their value better.
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Team Rocket Elite
04/05/19 12:26:18 AM
#234:


Lopen posted...
1. Hardly any 4-5s drop from 3-4.


There were only 13 4-5* units to begin with. 12 of them were demoted. The 1 exception is Reyson. Reyson will probably get demoted next year.

Lopen posted...
You don't have to demote literally every old 5* unit. There are clearly some that hold their value better.


I think the balancing philosophy they are trying to stick to is using large strokes when balancing the pool. Klein had good fodder and Reinhardt is still a top tier unit but they got demoted like everyone else. That's why I don't think they will demote any 5* only units until they are ready to demote Hector.

As for how well selective demotion would work, I guess it would depend on who they demote. My impression is that cherrypicking the 5* units that aren't any good to demote would lower the quality of the summoning pool. Like it's common for people to call for Mist to be demoted but they probably don't want to draw her as a 4* unit either (and she would still be 5* for at least another year!).
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SantaRPidgey
04/05/19 12:34:27 AM
#235:


Aether resort looks like the best thing to come from this

So

Its not great.

Oh and also feathers with orbs is a p nice deal. I mean I already used up my game budget for the month but Im sure someone likes it
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Dark Young Link
04/05/19 12:37:14 AM
#236:


Thank FUCK you can't pair up in Aether Raids. I just know people would find a cancer combination within the first week. Shame it can't be done in Tempest Trials. As for training tower.... I'm curious if you pair up with a valor unit, that valor buff still kicks in if they're the passive unit?

Wish they demoted more units than what they did(Also a single green being demoted tells you what green is all about) Only one I'm semi-hyped about is Legault.

The pool change is bitter sweet. Some of the really trash pitybreakers(Eldigan, Ephraim, Mist) being effectively removed is nice.... but there are some good units being removed as well, and I'm guessing you'll have to pull them in the same bloated pool once they're available on another banner.

Doesn't help that there are units that are removed that I'd actually be fine with being pitybroke by(Y!Tiki, Tana, Hector, Jaffar).

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Lopen
04/05/19 12:40:29 AM
#237:


I'd love to draw a lot of the "bad" 5* units at lower rarity personally. +10 Karel would be super cool. You're not really "diluting" the pool by including him either since the 3-4 pool is on the whole not good right now. Yeah you'll get a slightly lower number of hinatas. Does anyone who plays the game enough to care about drawing hinatas still need hinatas? I doubt it.

Honestly I think we're at a point in the number of the characters in the game where we can like, be a bit more liberal with what goes in the 3-4 pool rather than just making it a flat selection every time. Having a banner with classic 5* units that don't have good inheritance fodder in the 3-4* pool would be a pretty neat thing to do if they weren't in all of them. You could even put some good inheritance fodder in some of them to beef up a weaker banner.

Like really the idea behind the 3-4* pool should be to reach a total pool size of something close to when the game was released, but selectively choosing the stuff that goes in it from a set of 3-4* units along with dated 5* units based on game and weapon type or whatever else.
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Dark Young Link
04/05/19 12:47:29 AM
#238:


One thing that sucked though.

No weapon refines. Come on IS, I have so many feathers to burn. Convince me to use them!

(Mainly looking at blue. Est has a refine but I don't have a lot of her atm, kind of want to wait for F.Corrin or Cordelia to get a refine even though I can +9 them both atm)
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Lopen
04/05/19 12:53:49 AM
#239:


Also the fact that there were only 13 4-5*s to demote is I guess the real problem with the state of the game's draw pools
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Team Rocket Elite
04/05/19 12:55:50 AM
#240:


I only ever drew 6 Hinata in the entire time I played. Even with 2 free ones (to bring the total to 8), I never had enough Fury 3 to go around. Other players would obviously have different luck than I did.
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SantaRPidgey
04/05/19 12:56:53 AM
#241:


Oh I used my last five orbs to pull from the mythic banner, finally one green orb!

And its yune!

And she pronounces her own name wrong! Cool.
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Lopen
04/05/19 12:57:09 AM
#242:


You spent like 2000 orbs sniping green for +10 flying nino. Your results aren't typical for a good reason.
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Team Rocket Elite
04/05/19 1:12:01 AM
#243:


SantaRPidgey posted...
Oh I used my last five orbs to pull from the mythic banner, finally one green orb!

And its yune!

And she pronounces her own name wrong! Cool.


Micaiah pronounces it the same way in FEH so they seemed to have retconed it.

Lopen posted...
You spent like 2000 orbs sniping green for +10 flying nino. Your results aren't typical for a good reason.


Yeah. My results are definitely not typical.
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Lopen
04/05/19 1:14:36 AM
#244:


Like honestly the problem right now is that 3* units are currently basically 4* units with a 2000 feather tax. That's boring. You might as well just remove 3* rarity from the game. It serves no purpose but to annoy people right now.

Better way to split it to account for character bloat would be to just overhaul rarity completely. Discard 3* rarity from the game as something you can draw. Instead just change the odds to like, 82 4* - 12 4* special - 3 5* - 3 5* focus.

4* - Bloated set of units 3-4* currently has, drawn as 4*.
4* special - The set of all, or some subset of, dated 5* units, drawn as 4*. Maybe include some old seasonals on this for seasonals? You could do a lot of things with a second meaningful rarity tier that is below 5*.
5* and 5* focus - same as now.
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Dark Young Link
04/05/19 3:02:17 AM
#245:


Oh hey, we're getting some weapon refines after all.

Cain
Hana
Abel
Peri

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Dark Young Link
04/05/19 3:16:28 AM
#246:


Dropped 90ish orbs on the Odd Wave banner. At first it wasn't looking good(Literally 3 3*s in a row, all of them blue). Then I got pitybroke by Brave Veronica... and Brave Lyn? That's some luck right there, even if it wasn't exactly what I was looking for.

Eventually pulled a nice -Spd Ishar, the perfect fodder for Nino.

Oh hey, a Felicia. Maybe I can fina-
(+Hp-Spd)

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Cybat
04/05/19 11:07:58 AM
#247:


Hoo boy I'm actually very surprised they just removed so many units outright. My guess (well, hope) is they will be having some kind of special summoning events from now on that feature discontinued units with higher rates to let people who really want them have a good chance to get them. Because, like, damn.
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barreldragon88
04/05/19 2:34:20 PM
#248:


They could have demoted a lot more of those units, but instead, we'll still have to worry about getting pity-broken by them on certain banners...

Have had an issue with blues not showing up on these banners when I want them to show up, and my free pull this time was another Lucina, +Spd. Having yet another dragon counter is decent, and I can now safely fodder my -Spd for Aether whenever
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GildedFool
04/05/19 3:07:12 PM
#249:


Logged on and dropped 150 orbs grabbing the last 2 M Grimas I needed to get that +10.
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Team Rocket Elite
04/07/19 1:15:35 AM
#250:


Grima beat Idunn. So much for nerfing the bonus hours.
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