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France
02/11/19 1:28:28 PM
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Everyone thinks a serial child rapist and murderer deserves death, so why do they pretend to call for a blanket ban?
CisGirlLover
02/11/19 1:30:45 PM
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Many who die deserve to live. And many who live deserve to die. Can you be the one to give it to them?
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France
02/11/19 1:30:58 PM
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CisGirlLover posted...
Many who die deserve to live. And many who live deserve to die. Can you be the one to give it to them?

Yes
The23rdMagus
02/11/19 1:32:55 PM
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Would you rather an innocent man die, or a guilty man live?
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CisGirlLover
02/11/19 1:35:27 PM
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France posted...
CisGirlLover posted...
Many who die deserve to live. And many who live deserve to die. Can you be the one to give it to them?

Yes


Nice. Now post pics of hot cis-womens clean bare feet.
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Antifar
02/11/19 1:36:46 PM
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I don't think the state should be killing people.
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Questionmarktarius
02/11/19 1:38:13 PM
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It costs more to execute someone than it costs to just warehouse someone forever.
Sariana21
02/11/19 1:39:12 PM
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Antifar posted...
I don't think the state should be killing people.

This. It's not about "right" and "wrong" so much as what authority--and what responsibility--a state has and should have.
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JACKBUTTMOMMY
02/11/19 2:17:34 PM
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It honestly doesnt even seem like a punishment to me. Costs more, sometimes never happens, boom lights out. If they are religious, they didnt really bother to think about that before they got caught. Locking them away for everyones safety along with their own, studying them, and making them effectively think about their crimes makes more sense to me.
Vicious_Dios
02/11/19 2:19:02 PM
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I don't pretend. I support capital punishment.
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Were_Wyrm
02/11/19 2:19:17 PM
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Because lowercase punishment is enough.
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spudger
02/11/19 2:21:28 PM
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France with more shitposting
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France
02/11/19 3:14:30 PM
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Questionmarktarius posted...
It costs more to execute someone than it costs to just warehouse someone forever.

Because of the bureaucracy, a bullet only costs a few cents to make.
Antifar posted...
I don't think the state should be killing people.

Sariana21 posted...
Antifar posted...
I don't think the state should be killing people.

This. It's not about "right" and "wrong" so much as what authority--and what responsibility--a state has and should have.

Then why can the state punish at all? There will always be mistakes. Getting convicted in any trial requires the same level of confidence, so any conviction should have the appropriate punishment.
JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...
It honestly doesnt even seem like a punishment to me. Costs more, sometimes never happens, boom lights out. If they are religious, they didnt really bother to think about that before they got caught. Locking them away for everyones safety along with their own, studying them, and making them effectively think about their crimes makes more sense to me.

Its about justice, or revenge. If there is no God, then taking life is the ultimate punishment considering it would mean eternal oblivion.
Antifar
02/11/19 3:16:42 PM
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France posted...
Because of the bureaucracy, a bullet only costs a few cents to make.

The bureaucracy is what prevents more innocent people from being killed

France posted...
Then why can the state punish at all? There will always be mistakes. Getting convicted in any trial requires the same level of confidence, so any conviction should have the appropriate punishment.

Killing someone can't be undone. Some efforts at restitution can at least be made following a wrongful conviction sentence, though.
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LordRazziel
02/11/19 3:17:58 PM
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CE is so full of troll accounts.
Can't believe GameFAQs refuses to address the problem.
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Funkydog
02/11/19 3:18:59 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
Would you rather an innocent man die, or a guilty man live?

Antifar posted...
I don't think the state should be killing people.

These basically
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BilalPowell
02/11/19 3:21:24 PM
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It's fine for cops to shoot people for holding a gun, so why can't we have a death penalty for convicted murderers?
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Damn_Underscore
02/11/19 3:21:52 PM
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Criminals who are given the death penalty aren't any more likely to go to hell than criminals who are given decades or more in prison tbh.

Having a literal date when you are going to be killed is only going to make you think about what you did sooner.
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Zikten
02/11/19 3:22:42 PM
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no. I don;t make exceptions. I now some people are filth. but I can't make exceptions or I am a hypocrite. I am like Batman. I don't believe in the government killing people. we are better than the filth. anyway, only 2 first world nations still kill. America, and Japan. it's all but banned everywhere else in the free world
Zikten
02/11/19 3:23:15 PM
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Antifar posted...
Killing someone can't be undone

this too

too many people are later found to be innocent. so we shouldn't be killing anyone
Antifar
02/11/19 3:23:31 PM
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BilalPowell posted...
It's fine for cops to shoot people for holding a gun, so why can't we have a death penalty for convicted murderers?

Ideally we would like to get to a place where cops aren't shooting so many people, as is the case in a great deal of other countries. At any rate, there's a moral distinction generally made between killing in self-defense, and killing in cold blood.
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RickyTheBAWSE
02/11/19 3:24:34 PM
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I would support capital punishment if I supported the authority who make those calls, and I don't. I don't trust in the government to actually prioritize the well being of citizens while they're so obsessed with money, power and keeping its citizens divided.

kind of like how I support education, but don't think everybody should be in a position to educate because they'll likely miseducate somebody on purpose.
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France
02/11/19 3:25:50 PM
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Antifar posted...
France posted...
Because of the bureaucracy, a bullet only costs a few cents to make.

The bureaucracy is what prevents more innocent people from being killed

France posted...
Then why can the state punish at all? There will always be mistakes. Getting convicted in any trial requires the same level of confidence, so any conviction should have the appropriate punishment.

Killing someone can't be undone. Some efforts at restitution can at least be made following a wrongful conviction sentence, though.

30 years in prison cant be undone either, that persons life is never going to be successful. Your problem seems to lie in the conviction itself, not the punishment.
Damn_Underscore
02/11/19 3:27:02 PM
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In America, life in prison is arguably a fate worse than death. So why does it really matter if the death penalty exists as an option?
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Damn_Underscore
02/11/19 3:28:56 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
kind of like how I support education, but don't think everybody should be in a position to educate because they'll likely miseducate somebody on purpose.


Seems like the problem here is you.

You clearly hate people.
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Antifar
02/11/19 3:30:33 PM
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France posted...
30 years in prison cant be undone either

You're not wrong! But efforts at recovery are possible, and often monetary payments do follow wrongful convictions. At any rate it is infinitely preferable to what you have described ITT as "the ultimate punishment."
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Damn_Underscore
02/11/19 3:31:18 PM
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France posted...
30 years in prison cant be undone either, that persons life is never going to be successful. Your problem seems to lie in the conviction itself, not the punishment.


This is why I'm not against the death penalty. The problem does lie in the conviction, but society would obviously be harmed greatly if there was no more criminal justice system. It's a necessary evil.
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Antifar
02/11/19 3:34:21 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
France posted...
30 years in prison cant be undone either, that persons life is never going to be successful. Your problem seems to lie in the conviction itself, not the punishment.


This is why I'm not against the death penalty. The problem does lie in the conviction, but society would obviously be harmed greatly if there was no more criminal justice system. It's a necessary evil.

So are cars. And while we're never going to eliminate accidents, we have generally taken steps to improve safety standards so that those accidents do less harm to people.

Likewise, getting rid of the death penalty would be one small form of harm reduction in our criminal justice system.
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France
02/11/19 3:35:58 PM
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Antifar posted...
France posted...
30 years in prison cant be undone either

You're not wrong! But efforts at recovery are possible, and often monetary payments do follow wrongful convictions. At any rate it is infinitely preferable to what you have described ITT as "the ultimate punishment."

If you take a life, you forfeit yours. I agree that certain upbringings should be looked at in terms of theft, as the preservation of the self is the guiding force behind everyones actions, however, murder is never justified. If you are convicted for it, there is no redemption.
France
02/11/19 3:36:44 PM
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Antifar posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
France posted...
30 years in prison cant be undone either, that persons life is never going to be successful. Your problem seems to lie in the conviction itself, not the punishment.


This is why I'm not against the death penalty. The problem does lie in the conviction, but society would obviously be harmed greatly if there was no more criminal justice system. It's a necessary evil.

So are cars. And while we're never going to eliminate accidents, we have generally taken steps to improve safety standards so that those accidents do less harm to people.

Likewise, getting rid of the death penalty would be one small form of harm reduction in our criminal justice system.

That is where our difference lies. You are asking whether they can be rehabilitated. Im asking whether they deserve to be.
Antifar
02/11/19 3:39:05 PM
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France posted...
Antifar posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
France posted...
30 years in prison cant be undone either, that persons life is never going to be successful. Your problem seems to lie in the conviction itself, not the punishment.


This is why I'm not against the death penalty. The problem does lie in the conviction, but society would obviously be harmed greatly if there was no more criminal justice system. It's a necessary evil.

So are cars. And while we're never going to eliminate accidents, we have generally taken steps to improve safety standards so that those accidents do less harm to people.

Likewise, getting rid of the death penalty would be one small form of harm reduction in our criminal justice system.

That is where our difference lies. You are asking whether they can be rehabilitated. Im asking whether they deserve to be.

We're discussing people who are wrongly convicted, no? What do they have to be rehabilitated for?
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France
02/11/19 3:42:57 PM
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Antifar posted...
France posted...
Antifar posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
France posted...
30 years in prison cant be undone either, that persons life is never going to be successful. Your problem seems to lie in the conviction itself, not the punishment.


This is why I'm not against the death penalty. The problem does lie in the conviction, but society would obviously be harmed greatly if there was no more criminal justice system. It's a necessary evil.

So are cars. And while we're never going to eliminate accidents, we have generally taken steps to improve safety standards so that those accidents do less harm to people.

Likewise, getting rid of the death penalty would be one small form of harm reduction in our criminal justice system.

That is where our difference lies. You are asking whether they can be rehabilitated. Im asking whether they deserve to be.

We're discussing people who are wrongly convicted, no? What do they have to be rehabilitated for?

No, we are discussing all that have been convicted of the death penalty. I agree that innocents shouldnt be killed, but if beyond reasonable doubt means 99% certainty, I believe that one innocent life can be traded for 99 others
Reis
02/11/19 3:44:27 PM
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France posted...
I believe that one innocent life can be traded for 99 others

until that innocent life ends up being yours or someone you know and then you'll change your tune completely
Antifar
02/11/19 3:45:17 PM
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France posted...
I believe that one innocent life can be traded for 99 others

Who forfeits their life for that crime?
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France
02/11/19 3:46:05 PM
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Reis posted...
France posted...
I believe that one innocent life can be traded for 99 others

until that innocent life ends up being yours or someone you know and then you'll change your tune completely

No, because they would be perceived to be guilty. I wouldnt know they were innocent except if it was mine, which in that case I would be taking advantage of the extremely long appeal process to wait for new techniques to emerge that prove my innocence.
France
02/11/19 3:46:19 PM
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Antifar posted...
France posted...
I believe that one innocent life can be traded for 99 others

Who forfeits their life for that crime?

One convicted beyond reasonable doubt
Antifar
02/11/19 3:48:23 PM
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France posted...
which in that case I would be taking advantage of the extremely long appeal process to wait for new techniques to emerge that prove my innocence.

You have, in this topic, suggested we do away with "the bureaucracy" so as to make the death penalty cheaper.
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France
02/11/19 3:49:37 PM
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Antifar posted...
France posted...
which in that case I would be taking advantage of the extremely long appeal process to wait for new techniques to emerge that prove my innocence.

You have, in this topic, suggested we do away with "the bureaucracy" so as to make the death penalty cheaper.

Yes, and I support that. If I am ever convicted beyond reasonable doubt for murder, I would plead innocent and appeal until the end. I have faith in the legal system that it wouldnt mess up.
Funkydog
02/11/19 3:49:46 PM
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France posted...
Antifar posted...
France posted...
I believe that one innocent life can be traded for 99 others

Who forfeits their life for that crime?

One convicted beyond reasonable doubt

So you're okay with being killed for something you didn't do? Or someone you love?
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Antifar
02/11/19 3:51:12 PM
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France posted...
I have faith in the legal system that it wouldnt mess up.

I think there are a lot of legitimate reasons why people, myself included, don't share that faith.
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France
02/11/19 3:51:33 PM
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Funkydog posted...
France posted...
Antifar posted...
France posted...
I believe that one innocent life can be traded for 99 others

Who forfeits their life for that crime?

One convicted beyond reasonable doubt

So you're okay with being killed for something you didn't do? Or someone you love?

I am ok with the current level of certainty. I dont think it should be protected so that the extremely small portion of innocents are saved compared to the vast majority of the guilty
France
02/11/19 3:52:17 PM
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Antifar posted...
France posted...
I have faith in the legal system that it wouldnt mess up.

I think there are a lot of legitimate reasons why people, myself included, don't share that faith.

Such as? The system is highly accurate. Mistakes are publicized because they are rare, not because they are common
RickyTheBAWSE
02/11/19 3:52:52 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
kind of like how I support education, but don't think everybody should be in a position to educate because they'll likely miseducate somebody on purpose.


Seems like the problem here is you.

You clearly hate people.


just the toxic ones. I can understand why that'd worry you.
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Funkydog
02/11/19 3:53:06 PM
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France posted...
Funkydog posted...
France posted...
Antifar posted...
France posted...
I believe that one innocent life can be traded for 99 others

Who forfeits their life for that crime?

One convicted beyond reasonable doubt

So you're okay with being killed for something you didn't do? Or someone you love?

I am ok with the current level of certainty. I dont think it should be protected so that the extremely small portion of innocents are saved compared to the vast majority of the guilty

So you are okay with being killed for something you didn't do? Not someone else. You.

You wouldn't fight and rebel to your last breath?
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Antifar
02/11/19 3:53:45 PM
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France posted...
Such as? The system is highly accurate. Mistakes are publicized because they are rare, not because they are common

"Highly accurate" is not accurate enough for the government to kill someone, in my opinion.
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NotWhiteNinja
02/11/19 3:54:48 PM
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I don't deny it at all. I'm very open about my support for it.
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Reverend_Wilson
02/11/19 3:56:29 PM
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Because killing people is wrong. No, I would not like a child molester to die even though I'm against what they do.
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France
02/11/19 4:02:01 PM
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Funkydog posted...
France posted...
Funkydog posted...
France posted...
Antifar posted...
France posted...
I believe that one innocent life can be traded for 99 others

Who forfeits their life for that crime?

One convicted beyond reasonable doubt

So you're okay with being killed for something you didn't do? Or someone you love?

I am ok with the current level of certainty. I dont think it should be protected so that the extremely small portion of innocents are saved compared to the vast majority of the guilty

So you are okay with being killed for something you didn't do? Not someone else. You.

You wouldn't fight and rebel to your last breath?

I would. I would plead innocent and use all appeals. However, I think the death penalty should stay.

Anitfar- now were talking in circles, conviction, not punishment
Damn_Underscore
02/11/19 4:02:32 PM
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
kind of like how I support education, but don't think everybody should be in a position to educate because they'll likely miseducate somebody on purpose.


Seems like the problem here is you.

You clearly hate people.


just the toxic ones. I can understand why that'd worry you.


You are clearly hurting very much, I'm sorry.
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RickyTheBAWSE
02/11/19 4:09:54 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
RickyTheBAWSE posted...
kind of like how I support education, but don't think everybody should be in a position to educate because they'll likely miseducate somebody on purpose.


Seems like the problem here is you.

You clearly hate people.


just the toxic ones. I can understand why that'd worry you.


You are clearly hurting very much, I'm sorry.


nah, I'm good. maybe you would be too if you changed your underwear at least once a day.
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