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Alpha218
02/11/19 1:43:53 PM
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fenderbender321 posted...
Policing rudeness? Geeze what's next...a ban on swear words?

Dead naming goes far beyond rudeness. Theres two reasons I know my trans friends dead name, one is because I knew her pre-transition. If I didnt know this though, the other is because the man who tried to humiliate and demean her after she rejected his blackmailing and advances on her went through great lengths to doxx her and dead name her as revenge.

The thing is, most people who are transgender dont openly talk about their dead names with people. They are a new person. The old person is not who they are, and was a source of pain on the journey to who they became. I guarantee this activist didnt have her dead name anywhere out in the open for someone like this lady to lob at her. Clearly she was dedicated enough to doxx her if she went through the trouble of using multiple accounts to attack her. So yes, there is a clear pattern of harassment here, despite your article refusing to go into detail and instead tries paints the perpetrator as sympathetic by only telling her side of the story.

Before anyone says something, Im saying this for everyone elses benefit, not fenders
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Mr_Karate_II
02/11/19 1:44:01 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Three police officers arrested a woman in front of her children and locked her up for seven hours after she referred to a transgender woman as a man on Twitter.

Hertfordshire Police said: We take all reports of malicious communication seriously.


Remind me never to go to Hertfordshire. Calling someone a name you dont like, does not justify jail time.

Did you not read the part about harassment?


What exactly did she do besides call her names? If she threatened them or called for direct acts of violence, then I will be the first to say that the police had the right to do what they did.

None of that is in the article though.

So you didn't read the part where she created another account after she was blocked just to continue to harass the other woman?


What does twitter have to do with the police? Their TOS are not a law. And calling someone names and thinking that justifies physical violence against you is ****ing ridiculous.

Stop pretending that I didnt read the article, simply because I disagree.

Harassment is illegal no matter where it takes place
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 1:44:17 PM
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The23rdMagus posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Harassment synonyms:persecution, harrying, pestering, badgering, intimidation, bother, annoyance, aggravation, irritation, pressure, pressurization, force, coercion, molestation;

Yea, lets just arrest people because they are pestering me. But maybe she molested her over the internet...

The goalposts are quickly vanishing beyond the horizon.


People in here are accusing someone of something that warrants jail time, when the actual speciic crimes of what happened are not clear at all.

The term "Harassment" is generic
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Antifar
02/11/19 1:46:28 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
People in here are accusing someone of something that warrants jail time, when the actual speciic crimes of what happened are not clear at all.

Actually it's police accusing someone of something that warrants jail time; they're the ones who arrested her for harassment
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Wry-Guy
02/11/19 1:46:51 PM
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Alpha218 posted...
fenderbender321 posted...
Policing rudeness? Geeze what's next...a ban on swear words?

Dead naming goes far beyond rudeness. Theres two reasons I know my trans friends dead name, one is because I knew her pre-transition. If I didnt know this though, the other is because the man who tried to humiliate and demean her after she rejected his blackmailing and advances on her went through great lengths to doxx her and dead name her as revenge.

The thing is, most people who are transgender dont openly talk about their dead names with people. They are a new person. The old person is not who they are, and was a source of pain on the journey to who they became. I guarantee this activist didnt have her dead name anywhere out in the open for someone like this lady to lob at her. Clearly she was dedicated enough to doxx her if she went through the trouble of using multiple accounts to attack her. So yes, there is a clear pattern of harassment here, despite your article refusing to go into detail and instead tries paints the perpetrator as sympathetic by only telling her side of the story.

Before anyone says something, Im saying this for everyone elses benefit, not fenders

Not going to pretend fender isn't just being fender, but thought policing isn't an appropriate solution to any situation.
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Medussa
02/11/19 1:46:57 PM
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Metro is a tabloid and owned by the same people who own The Daily Mail.

Zero surprise here that they're spinning this as hard as they can to coddle the transphobe. That's what they do.
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King_Hellebuyck
02/11/19 1:48:08 PM
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Medussa posted...
Metro is a tabloid and owned by the same people who own The Daily Mail.

Zero surprise here that they're spinning this as hard as they can to coddle the transphobe. That's what they do.

Right? Their narrative is this poor mother! and they make no attempt to actually report on what she did.
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Antifar
02/11/19 1:48:20 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
Not going to pretend fender isn't just being fender, but thought policing isn't an appropriate solution to any situation.

Harassment is an action, not a thought.
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 1:48:30 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Three police officers arrested a woman in front of her children and locked her up for seven hours after she referred to a transgender woman as a man on Twitter.

Hertfordshire Police said: We take all reports of malicious communication seriously.


Remind me never to go to Hertfordshire. Calling someone a name you dont like, does not justify jail time.

Did you not read the part about harassment?


What exactly did she do besides call her names? If she threatened them or called for direct acts of violence, then I will be the first to say that the police had the right to do what they did.

None of that is in the article though.

So you didn't read the part where she created another account after she was blocked just to continue to harass the other woman?


What does twitter have to do with the police? Their TOS are not a law. And calling someone names and thinking that justifies physical violence against you is ****ing ridiculous.

Stop pretending that I didnt read the article, simply because I disagree.

Harassment is illegal no matter where it takes place


Many laws exist, that shouldn't. That's the whole point of this discussion. Having your feelings hurt or feeling pestered does not justify physical force against you.
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bulbinking
02/11/19 1:50:07 PM
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Is it illegal now to make known if somebody legally changed their name or do only transsexuals get that extra layer of societal privacy protection?
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 1:50:27 PM
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Antifar posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Not going to pretend fender isn't just being fender, but thought policing isn't an appropriate solution to any situation.

Harassment is an action, not a thought.


Calling someone names that you dont like should never be a crime.
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Wry-Guy
02/11/19 1:50:41 PM
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Antifar posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Not going to pretend fender isn't just being fender, but thought policing isn't an appropriate solution to any situation.

Harassment is an action, not a thought.

Sure, an action (mostly) covered by free speech. What this implies is that the cops are spying on people and waiting for them to be dicks.
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sktgamer_13dude
02/11/19 1:55:16 PM
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Reverend_Wilson posted...
Goats posted...
Of course all the conservative trolls get their panties in a twist over this, gamefaqs has let them get away with worse.


I'm not conservative, and I think it's dumb.

You NPCs are worse than any conservative trolls.

Im not conservative but Im just going to side with conservatives all the time and call liberals NPCs. Ha, take that, from a totally not conservative person.
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 2:02:08 PM
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ChadBr00tz posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Antifar posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Not going to pretend fender isn't just being fender, but thought policing isn't an appropriate solution to any situation.

Harassment is an action, not a thought.


Calling someone names that you dont like should never be a crime.

Cool so I can follow you around calling you a rapist or child beater by that logic


Following me around twitter is not the same thing as following me in real life. Either way, I personally couldn't give 2 fucks. If you directly threaten me, or come into my private property, then its a whole different story, online or real life
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MrMallard
02/11/19 2:03:36 PM
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If this person spent an extended period of time specifically harassing this one person, knowingly and maliciously trying to cause emotional harm to them by juggling multiple accounts to make the person think that they were being attacked by multiple people - then yeah, fuck her.

This isn't "woman calls trans person by their birth name accidentally, gets unfairly detained for honest mistake". This is "woman harasses trans activist during toxic gender debate, levels multiple instances of slander against them via multiple accounts, gets arrested for malicious conduct".

I mean it can depend on how long she was persisting with this sort of behavior, and maybe jail was a bit much, but I don't have any sympathy one way or the other. The same way I wouldn't have any sympathy for Hoth or ponyboy for ganging up on a single user through multiple alts, before getting their main accounts and any involved alts suspended.
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Returning_CEmen
02/11/19 2:04:09 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Fair,next. Don't harass people if you don't wanna get in trouble.

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Funkydog
02/11/19 2:04:58 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
ChadBr00tz posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Antifar posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Not going to pretend fender isn't just being fender, but thought policing isn't an appropriate solution to any situation.

Harassment is an action, not a thought.


Calling someone names that you dont like should never be a crime.

Cool so I can follow you around calling you a rapist or child beater by that logic


Following me around twitter is not the same thing as following me in real life. Either way, I personally couldn't give 2 fucks. If you directly threaten me, or come into my private property, then its a whole different story, online or real life

Why is it different if you've made repeat attempts to block them and they continue to invade and defame you? Why should you get the right to make someone feel like shit and do it all in multiple ways?

Would you mind if I started telling your family, work etc that you are a convicted sex offender and ensure everyone you live nearby "knows" this (fake) fact?
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Jeff AKA Snoopy
02/11/19 2:05:08 PM
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MrMallard posted...
If this person spent an extended period of time specifically harassing this one person, knowingly and maliciously trying to cause emotional harm to them by juggling multiple accounts to make the person think that they were being attacked by multiple people - then yeah, fuck her.

This isn't "woman calls trans person by their birth name accidentally, gets unfairly detained for honest mistake". This is "woman harasses trans activist during toxic gender debate, levels multiple instances of slander against them via multiple accounts, gets arrested for malicious conduct".

I mean it can depend on how long she was persisting with this sort of behavior, and maybe jail was a bit much, but I don't have any sympathy one way or the other. The same way I wouldn't have any sympathy for Hoth or ponyboy for ganging up on a single user through multiple alts, before getting their main accounts and any involved alts suspended.

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Oatcakes
02/11/19 2:05:50 PM
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So harassment is legal in the US or are people trolling?
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Ragnarider
02/11/19 2:06:17 PM
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Mr_Karate_II posted...
Fair,next. Don't harass people if you don't wanna get in trouble.
eston
02/11/19 2:06:35 PM
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Medussa
02/11/19 2:07:20 PM
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Oatcakes posted...
So harassment is legal in the US or are people trolling?


it's not, but it does have a higher bar than a lot of other places.
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Zerocide
02/11/19 2:09:07 PM
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Caelthus posted...
LostForest posted...
Man the UK is a fucking joke right now. They used to be cool.

Why are there no good first world nations left anymore? Like, you basically have to choose between being arrested for hurting someones feelings or living in fear of being shot on a given day. It's ridiculous.

Being upset that you can't harass others and spew hateful nonsense, is really, really sad.

And play the victim when there are repercussions.
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 2:09:58 PM
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Funkydog posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
ChadBr00tz posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Antifar posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Not going to pretend fender isn't just being fender, but thought policing isn't an appropriate solution to any situation.

Harassment is an action, not a thought.


Calling someone names that you dont like should never be a crime.

Cool so I can follow you around calling you a rapist or child beater by that logic


Following me around twitter is not the same thing as following me in real life. Either way, I personally couldn't give 2 fucks. If you directly threaten me, or come into my private property, then its a whole different story, online or real life

Why is it different if you've made repeat attempts to block them and they continue to invade and defame you? Why should you get the right to make someone feel like shit and do it all in multiple ways?

Would you mind if I started telling your family, work etc that you are a convicted sex offender and ensure everyone you live nearby "knows" this (fake) fact?


Because Twitter is a public forum, and if you dont like it, then you can just not use it.

What you're also doing is creating a false comparison. Saying that I'm a convicted sex offender when I'm not, is slander, which is a crime.

Calling someone names that you simply don't like anymore is not the same thing at all.
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 2:12:21 PM
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eston posted...
Sounds fair to me. Don't harass people.


Harassment, also known as pestering and being an annoyance...

LOCK EM UP!!
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Funkydog
02/11/19 2:12:35 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
Because Twitter is a public forum, and if you dont like it, then you can just not use it.

What you're also doing is creating a false comparison. Saying that I'm a convicted sex offender when I'm not is slander, which is a crime.

Calling someone names that you simply don't like anymore is not the same thing at all.

So someone can drive someone else off a platform they don't like by making multiple accounts to harass and lie about a person and it's all good and right?

And it isn't a "false comparison" given this person was defaming and spreading lies themselves. It wasn't simply "saying a few mean names" She repeatedly called her a xenophobic criminal and intended to make those she knew believed this lie.
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 2:13:59 PM
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Funkydog posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Because Twitter is a public forum, and if you dont like it, then you can just not use it.

What you're also doing is creating a false comparison. Saying that I'm a convicted sex offender when I'm not is slander, which is a crime.

Calling someone names that you simply don't like anymore is not the same thing at all.

So someone can drive someone else off a platform they don't like by making multiple accounts to harass and lie about a person and it's all good and right?

And it isn't a "false comparison" given this person was defaming and spreading lies themselves. It wasn't simply "saying a few mean names" She repeatedly called her a xenophobic criminal and intended to make those she knew believed this lie.


What article are you reading?
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Funkydog
02/11/19 2:14:42 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
What article are you reading?

I thought you read the one posted in the topic?

At least you openly admit is no point in debating this with you as you just want to troll.
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Ryuko_Chan
02/11/19 2:15:00 PM
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Jesus Christ thats fucked lol.
Who cares if she made multiple accounts.
Trolling on the fucking internet should not be a criminal offence. Free speech motherfucker!
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eston
02/11/19 2:16:53 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
eston posted...
Sounds fair to me. Don't harass people.


Harassment, also known as pestering and being an annoyance...

LOCK EM UP!!

There are different levels of harassment, and obviously this one was egregious or she wouldn't have been arrested
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Oatcakes
02/11/19 2:18:35 PM
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eston posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
eston posted...
Sounds fair to me. Don't harass people.


Harassment, also known as pestering and being an annoyance...

LOCK EM UP!!

There are different levels of harassment, and obviously this one was egregious or she wouldn't have been arrested


These lot don't do nuance mate, you're wasting your time.
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thronedfire2
02/11/19 2:18:37 PM
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Whose alt is Karl? Just another trash throwaway account thatll be banned in a couple weeks Zzzz..
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 2:19:07 PM
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Funkydog posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
What article are you reading?

I thought you read the one posted in the topic?

At least you openly admit is no point in debating this with you as you just want to troll.


I did read it. It specifically says

Scottow also labelled her racist, xenophobic and a crook.

How do you know these are lies?

I love when people are intellectually dishonest, and then call me the troll.
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UnholyMudcrab
02/11/19 2:19:19 PM
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Well, this topic went in a completely predictable direction
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Duncanwii
02/11/19 2:19:34 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
Jesus Christ thats fucked lol.
Who cares if she made multiple accounts.
Trolling on the fucking internet should not be a criminal offence. Free speech motherfucker!

Kaname you're trans. How would you feel if this happened to you?
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Wry-Guy
02/11/19 2:19:59 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
Antifar posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Not going to pretend fender isn't just being fender, but thought policing isn't an appropriate solution to any situation.

Harassment is an action, not a thought.

Sure, an action (mostly) covered by free speech. What this implies is that the cops are spying on people and waiting for them to be dicks.

I see at least nobody is defending this

And yet this is the model the world seems to be marching to. Have an unpopular political opinion? Ruh row looks like guantanamo Bay for you. Or whatever Europe uses for torture.
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 2:20:31 PM
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eston posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
eston posted...
Sounds fair to me. Don't harass people.


Harassment, also known as pestering and being an annoyance...

LOCK EM UP!!

There are different levels of harassment,


Yes, and calling someone names that you dont like shouldnt be one of them that gets you locked up
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 2:22:21 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Antifar posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Not going to pretend fender isn't just being fender, but thought policing isn't an appropriate solution to any situation.

Harassment is an action, not a thought.

Sure, an action (mostly) covered by free speech. What this implies is that the cops are spying on people and waiting for them to be dicks.

I see at least nobody is defending this

And yet this is the model the world seems to be marching to. Have an unpopular political opinion? Ruh row looks like guantanamo Bay for you. Or whatever Europe uses for torture.


Try explaining that to people who think with their emotions.
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eston
02/11/19 2:22:27 PM
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karlpilkington4 posted...
eston posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
eston posted...
Sounds fair to me. Don't harass people.


Harassment, also known as pestering and being an annoyance...

LOCK EM UP!!

There are different levels of harassment,


Yes, and calling someone names that you dont like shouldnt be one of them that gets you locked up

Clearly there was more to it than that
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Vicious_Dios
02/11/19 2:22:44 PM
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The nanny state strikes again.
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spudger
02/11/19 2:23:12 PM
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Delta_F14 posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Three police officers arrested a woman in front of her children and locked her up for seven hours after she referred to a transgender woman as a man on Twitter.

Hertfordshire Police said: We take all reports of malicious communication seriously.


Remind me never to go to Hertfordshire. Calling someone a name you dont like, does not justify jail time.

Did you not read the part about harassment?


What exactly did she do besides call her names? If she threatened them or called for direct acts of violence, then I will be the first to say that the police had the right to do what they did.

None of that is in the article though.

So you didn't read the part where she created another account after she was blocked just to continue to harass the other woman?

So?
Damn you are clueless

Look up harassment
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BlooPAPAPAH
02/11/19 2:25:00 PM
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She got arrested for harassing, and doxing. Just misgendering the person wouldn't get you arrested, yet.
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 2:26:46 PM
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thronedfire2 posted...
Whose alt is Karl? Just another trash throwaway account thatll be banned in a couple weeks Zzzz..


I've been around for years. I'm simply posting my opinions. I'm not going anywhere, simply because you dont like them
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Ryuko_Chan
02/11/19 2:27:15 PM
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Duncanwii posted...
Ryuko_Chan posted...
Jesus Christ thats fucked lol.
Who cares if she made multiple accounts.
Trolling on the fucking internet should not be a criminal offence. Free speech motherfucker!

Kaname you're trans. How would you feel if this happened to you?

When I start presenting, if I get gendered male, I will take this as advice to try harder.
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 2:27:50 PM
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spudger posted...
Delta_F14 posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Mr_Karate_II posted...
karlpilkington4 posted...
Three police officers arrested a woman in front of her children and locked her up for seven hours after she referred to a transgender woman as a man on Twitter.

Hertfordshire Police said: We take all reports of malicious communication seriously.


Remind me never to go to Hertfordshire. Calling someone a name you dont like, does not justify jail time.

Did you not read the part about harassment?


What exactly did she do besides call her names? If she threatened them or called for direct acts of violence, then I will be the first to say that the police had the right to do what they did.

None of that is in the article though.

So you didn't read the part where she created another account after she was blocked just to continue to harass the other woman?

So?
Damn you are clueless

Look up harassment


I did. Pestering and annoying people doesnt justify violence by the police

Unless you can point to something else that she did. I've looked, couldnt find anything.
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King_Hellebuyck
02/11/19 2:29:55 PM
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Weird how people who hate trans people are really upset about this
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Ryuko_Chan
02/11/19 2:32:38 PM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
Weird how people who hate trans people are really upset about this

I dont hate trans people and Im really upset about this.
You shouldnt go to prison for words on the fucking internet.
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Wry-Guy
02/11/19 2:36:05 PM
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Just FYI for you guys unironically suporrting this, consider this:
The site administration considers permabans impossible to enforce due to the complexity of tracking IPs. It's not because they don't know how, it's because it's more or less impossible without having full access and monitoring of someone's internet connection. Even then they have multiple devices and accounts.

You really want the police who are notoriously ham fisted with power to be taking this approach. That's what you are arguing for.

Harassment isn't right, but the arrest is far worse.
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karlpilkington4
02/11/19 2:39:15 PM
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Ryuko_Chan posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
Weird how people who hate trans people are really upset about this

I dont hate trans people and Im really upset about this.
You shouldnt go to prison for words on the fucking internet.


I agree, this has nothing to do with trans people.
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MrMallard
02/11/19 2:49:16 PM
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Wry-Guy posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Antifar posted...
Wry-Guy posted...
Not going to pretend fender isn't just being fender, but thought policing isn't an appropriate solution to any situation.

Harassment is an action, not a thought.

Sure, an action (mostly) covered by free speech. What this implies is that the cops are spying on people and waiting for them to be dicks.

I see at least nobody is defending this

And yet this is the model the world seems to be marching to. Have an unpopular political opinion? Ruh row looks like guantanamo Bay for you. Or whatever Europe uses for torture.

The article states that the trans activist reported this woman's account, there's no implication about it. Trans woman reports account/s, Twitter employees look into it, police are called - find that series of events as despicable as you like, but it's hardly "the police are spying on people online waiting to arrest them for petty crimes".
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