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BJ-blazkowics
02/11/19 10:37:00 AM
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CruelBuffalo posted...
coolboy11 posted...
This is terrible stuff. But what about Trump's trail of tears jokes? Or Don Jr's celebration of a native american genocide joke?

we basically never hold Republicans/Conservatives to serious consequences and they are unabashed about it so.....


Idk about we, conservatives you mean never (very very rarely) hold their own accountable


Yup. And this would bother me less if said conservatives didn't go around say "I am a liberal" or "I am not a conservative" while doing this
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s0nicfan
02/11/19 10:37:02 AM
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Anteaterking posted...
How is it "wrong" to call a country evil?

It seems like you're going a step beyond "It's not criticism because it's just an empty attack" to "Also that empty attack is false!".

Also lol at "those people would be wrong". Is that you admitting that YOU'RE wrong when you do it?


Do you believe Israel is evil? Let's establish ground truth before wading into this debate.
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NinjaWarrior455
02/11/19 10:37:03 AM
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Lot of pearl clutching from the GOP
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BJ-blazkowics
02/11/19 10:38:14 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Ah the old "criticizing Israel is criticizing Jews" argument. That's a new one.


She claims to be part native american yet wasn't offended in the least bit by this stuff:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-jr-applauds-racist-native-american-jokes-124303686--abc-news-topstories.html

No partisanship here, none at all...


If you're talking about me, I said I wasn't offended by Elizabeth Warren's statements.


... Who brought up Liz Warren here?

I was talking about trump's trail of tears joke and his son's glee about a native american genocide joke. Did you even click on the link?
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DarkRoast
02/11/19 10:38:25 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Ah the old "criticizing Israel is criticizing Jews" argument. That's a new one.


She claims to be part native american yet wasn't offended in the least bit by this stuff:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-jr-applauds-racist-native-american-jokes-124303686--abc-news-topstories.html

No partisanship here, none at all...


If you're talking about me, I said I wasn't offended by Elizabeth Warren's statements.


DarkRoast 22 hours ago#35

I'm Native American (if my tribal roll number is to be believed) and what Warren said never bothered me. That said, I'm not very active within my tribe (Cherokee) so I can't say if that's true for others.


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DarkRoast
02/11/19 10:39:27 AM
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BJ-blazkowics posted...
DarkRoast posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Ah the old "criticizing Israel is criticizing Jews" argument. That's a new one.


She claims to be part native american yet wasn't offended in the least bit by this stuff:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-jr-applauds-racist-native-american-jokes-124303686--abc-news-topstories.html

No partisanship here, none at all...


If you're talking about me, I said I wasn't offended by Elizabeth Warren's statements.


... Who brought up Liz Warren here?

I was talking about trump's trail of tears joke and his son's glee about a native american genocide joke. Did you even click on the link?


Trump is a racist shitbag, of course everything he says is reprehensible. Anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot, racist, or probably both.
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PonyLivesMatter
02/11/19 10:40:22 AM
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Yikes
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Zerocide
02/11/19 10:40:35 AM
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PonyLivesMatter posted...
Yikes

Zoinks
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BJ-blazkowics
02/11/19 10:42:27 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
DarkRoast posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Ah the old "criticizing Israel is criticizing Jews" argument. That's a new one.


She claims to be part native american yet wasn't offended in the least bit by this stuff:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-jr-applauds-racist-native-american-jokes-124303686--abc-news-topstories.html

No partisanship here, none at all...


If you're talking about me, I said I wasn't offended by Elizabeth Warren's statements.


... Who brought up Liz Warren here?

I was talking about trump's trail of tears joke and his son's glee about a native american genocide joke. Did you even click on the link?


Trump is a racist shitbag, of course everything he says is reprehensible. Anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot, racist, or probably both.


but... did you even comment on it before I brought it up? Not trump himself, but, his trail of tears joke and the genocide joke.

I'd say that's a pretty big deal, much bigger than a dog-whistle anti-israel tweet from a newbie congresswoman who few people know. How do you choose what to devote your attention (and posts) at?
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King_Hellebuyck
02/11/19 10:43:35 AM
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As a member of Congress, you shouldnt be calling any countries evil unless youre about to go to war with them. Even if they are. Thats part of the job.
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Balrog0
02/11/19 10:43:41 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Anteaterking posted...
How is it "wrong" to call a country evil?

It seems like you're going a step beyond "It's not criticism because it's just an empty attack" to "Also that empty attack is false!".

Also lol at "those people would be wrong". Is that you admitting that YOU'RE wrong when you do it?


Do you believe Israel is evil? Let's establish ground truth before wading into this debate.


Why are these the terms of the discussion? Isn't the tweet in question about AIPAC lobbying, or at least about her accusation that Israel influences American policies by buying influence in some way?

Seems to me that you don't need to think Israel is evil to think that's true?
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King_Hellebuyck
02/11/19 10:44:34 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Anteaterking posted...
How is it "wrong" to call a country evil?

It seems like you're going a step beyond "It's not criticism because it's just an empty attack" to "Also that empty attack is false!".

Also lol at "those people would be wrong". Is that you admitting that YOU'RE wrong when you do it?


Do you believe Israel is evil? Let's establish ground truth before wading into this debate.


Why are these the terms of the discussion? Isn't the tweet in question about AIPAC lobbying, or at least about her accusation that Israel influences American policies by buying influence in some way?

Seems to me that you don't need to think Israel is evil to think that's true?

Yeah, actually fuck my last post. The distraction is much less important than the very real issue shes talking about.
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BJ-blazkowics
02/11/19 10:44:56 AM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
As a member of Congress, you shouldnt be calling any countries evil unless youre about to go to war with them. Even if they are. Thats part of the job.


That's cute and all.

What about the hundreds of anti (country name here) by GOP congressmen?
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s0nicfan
02/11/19 10:47:05 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Anteaterking posted...
How is it "wrong" to call a country evil?

It seems like you're going a step beyond "It's not criticism because it's just an empty attack" to "Also that empty attack is false!".

Also lol at "those people would be wrong". Is that you admitting that YOU'RE wrong when you do it?


Do you believe Israel is evil? Let's establish ground truth before wading into this debate.


Why are these the terms of the discussion? Isn't the tweet in question about AIPAC lobbying, or at least about her accusation that Israel influences American policies by buying influence in some way?

Seems to me that you don't need to think Israel is evil to think that's true?


I mean I was talking about how you can criticize a country in general if you're following this particular thread. I agree her concerns about AIPAC lobbying are well founded. I just don't think calling a nation "evil" is anything even approaching "criticism".
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King_Hellebuyck
02/11/19 10:47:20 AM
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BJ-blazkowics posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
As a member of Congress, you shouldnt be calling any countries evil unless youre about to go to war with them. Even if they are. Thats part of the job.


That's cute and all.

What about the hundreds of anti (country name here) by GOP congressmen?

Go away, youre not contributing anything.
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DarkRoast
02/11/19 10:47:54 AM
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BJ-blazkowics posted...
DarkRoast posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
DarkRoast posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Ah the old "criticizing Israel is criticizing Jews" argument. That's a new one.


She claims to be part native american yet wasn't offended in the least bit by this stuff:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-jr-applauds-racist-native-american-jokes-124303686--abc-news-topstories.html

No partisanship here, none at all...


If you're talking about me, I said I wasn't offended by Elizabeth Warren's statements.


... Who brought up Liz Warren here?

I was talking about trump's trail of tears joke and his son's glee about a native american genocide joke. Did you even click on the link?


Trump is a racist shitbag, of course everything he says is reprehensible. Anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot, racist, or probably both.


but... did you even comment on it before I brought it up? Not trump himself, but, his trail of tears joke and the genocide joke.

I'd say that's a pretty big deal, much bigger than a dog-whistle anti-israel tweet from a newbie congresswoman who few people know. How do you choose what to devote your attention (and posts) at?


Of course it's a big deal. The dude should be impeached and probably jailed for the shit he's done.
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Anteaterking
02/11/19 10:48:10 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Do you believe Israel is evil? Let's establish ground truth before wading into this debate.


Sure
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Alpha218
02/11/19 10:50:01 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Ah the old "criticizing Israel is criticizing Jews" argument. That's a new one.


She claims to be part native american yet wasn't offended in the least bit by this stuff:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-jr-applauds-racist-native-american-jokes-124303686--abc-news-topstories.html

No partisanship here, none at all...


If you're talking about me, I said I wasn't offended by Elizabeth Warren's statements.

Why do you keep posting about them all the damn time then
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DarkRoast
02/11/19 10:54:51 AM
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Alpha218 posted...
DarkRoast posted...
BJ-blazkowics posted...
RebelElite791 posted...
Ah the old "criticizing Israel is criticizing Jews" argument. That's a new one.


She claims to be part native american yet wasn't offended in the least bit by this stuff:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/donald-trump-jr-applauds-racist-native-american-jokes-124303686--abc-news-topstories.html

No partisanship here, none at all...


If you're talking about me, I said I wasn't offended by Elizabeth Warren's statements.

Why do you keep posting about them all the damn time then


I don't post about her. Certainly don't make any topics about her.
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BornIn1142
02/11/19 11:04:54 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Anteaterking posted...
How is it "wrong" to call a country evil?

It seems like you're going a step beyond "It's not criticism because it's just an empty attack" to "Also that empty attack is false!".

Also lol at "those people would be wrong". Is that you admitting that YOU'RE wrong when you do it?


Do you believe Israel is evil? Let's establish ground truth before wading into this debate.

Do you believe that the election of a former terrorist like Yitzhak Shamir to the position of Prime Minister can be used to judge a country's morality?
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jumi
02/11/19 11:10:32 AM
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King_Hellebuyck posted...
As a member of Congress, you shouldnt be calling any countries evil unless youre about to go to war with them. Even if they are. Thats part of the job.


George W. Bush called Iran, Iraq, and North Korea evil. We only went to war with one of them. I don't remember anyone bitching about that.
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King_Hellebuyck
02/11/19 11:12:47 AM
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jumi posted...
King_Hellebuyck posted...
As a member of Congress, you shouldnt be calling any countries evil unless youre about to go to war with them. Even if they are. Thats part of the job.


George W. Bush called Iran, Iraq, and North Korea evil. We only went to war with one of them. I don't remember anyone bitching about that.

Then you werent paying attention. Plenty of people bitched about that and condemned it as a bad move diplomatically as it pushed Iran and North Korea to expect regime change wars.
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DarkRoast
02/11/19 11:12:55 AM
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BornIn1142 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Anteaterking posted...
How is it "wrong" to call a country evil?

It seems like you're going a step beyond "It's not criticism because it's just an empty attack" to "Also that empty attack is false!".

Also lol at "those people would be wrong". Is that you admitting that YOU'RE wrong when you do it?


Do you believe Israel is evil? Let's establish ground truth before wading into this debate.

Do you believe that the election of a former terrorist like Yitzhak Shamir to the position of Prime Minister can be used to judge a country's morality?


I dunno, let's ask Yasser Arafat and see what he thinks
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BornIn1142
02/11/19 11:14:54 AM
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DarkRoast posted...
BornIn1142 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Anteaterking posted...
How is it "wrong" to call a country evil?

It seems like you're going a step beyond "It's not criticism because it's just an empty attack" to "Also that empty attack is false!".

Also lol at "those people would be wrong". Is that you admitting that YOU'RE wrong when you do it?


Do you believe Israel is evil? Let's establish ground truth before wading into this debate.

Do you believe that the election of a former terrorist like Yitzhak Shamir to the position of Prime Minister can be used to judge a country's morality?


I dunno, let's ask Yasser Arafat and see what he thinks

I'm OK with agreeing that both sides are terrible if you are.
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averagejoel
02/11/19 11:24:33 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
Balrog0 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Anteaterking posted...
How is it "wrong" to call a country evil?

It seems like you're going a step beyond "It's not criticism because it's just an empty attack" to "Also that empty attack is false!".

Also lol at "those people would be wrong". Is that you admitting that YOU'RE wrong when you do it?


Do you believe Israel is evil? Let's establish ground truth before wading into this debate.


Why are these the terms of the discussion? Isn't the tweet in question about AIPAC lobbying, or at least about her accusation that Israel influences American policies by buying influence in some way?

Seems to me that you don't need to think Israel is evil to think that's true?


I mean I was talking about how you can criticize a country in general if you're following this particular thread. I agree her concerns about AIPAC lobbying are well founded. I just don't think calling a nation "evil" is anything even approaching "criticism".

why are you bringing up a largely irrelevant tweet from 6 years ago to derail a discussion of the legitimate point she made much more recently
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s0nicfan
02/11/19 11:28:30 AM
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averagejoel posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Balrog0 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
Anteaterking posted...
How is it "wrong" to call a country evil?

It seems like you're going a step beyond "It's not criticism because it's just an empty attack" to "Also that empty attack is false!".

Also lol at "those people would be wrong". Is that you admitting that YOU'RE wrong when you do it?


Do you believe Israel is evil? Let's establish ground truth before wading into this debate.


Why are these the terms of the discussion? Isn't the tweet in question about AIPAC lobbying, or at least about her accusation that Israel influences American policies by buying influence in some way?

Seems to me that you don't need to think Israel is evil to think that's true?


I mean I was talking about how you can criticize a country in general if you're following this particular thread. I agree her concerns about AIPAC lobbying are well founded. I just don't think calling a nation "evil" is anything even approaching "criticism".

why are you bringing up a largely irrelevant tweet from 6 years ago to derail a discussion of the legitimate point she made much more recently


Because I was directly addressing the following comment:
RebelElite791 posted...
Ah the old "criticizing Israel is criticizing Jews" argument. That's a new one.


But you would know that if you actually read through the topic.
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Anteaterking
02/11/19 11:37:47 AM
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sonic, I'm going to work, but I'm still waiting for your argument that hinged on whether I thought Israel was evil or not, so I'll answer it when I get back.
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P4wn4g3
02/11/19 11:44:29 AM
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It's possible she's antisemetic, she does seem to be hung up on religion. But its a fact that Isriali/Arabian pacs control congress by the balls which needs to stop and is much more of a racist/terrorist threat than whatever her personal stance is.

It's too easy for the right wingers to deflect onto this woman due to our xenophobia of arabs.
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Zikten
02/11/19 11:49:44 AM
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Most people don't know that Israel has murdered US citizens

Like 20 years ago a girl from Seattle got run over by a bulldozer while protesting

And I i think the 60s, the Israeli navy attacked a US Navy ship and killed American navymen on board, then later claimed they thought it was an Egyptian ship or something
P4wn4g3
02/11/19 11:53:20 AM
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Zikten posted...
Most people don't know that Israel has murdered US citizens

Are we talking the Saudis killing that American journalist and Trump handwaving it away? Because I think people know about that.
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s0nicfan
02/11/19 11:54:13 AM
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Anteaterking posted...
sonic, I'm going to work, but I'm still waiting for your argument that hinged on whether I thought Israel was evil or not, so I'll answer it when I get back.


To answer your 3 questions:
--It's wrong to call a country evil because a country is mostly just people trying to live their lives and you unduly prescribe intent to people with no power to change what's being done.
--To that extent, I do believe that said "empty attack" is ALSO false because it falsely paints all the citizens, both Jewish AND Muslim citizens living there, as complicit in decisions with debatable merit. It seems we simply fundamentally disagree on these 2 points.
--I'm sure I've been one of those wrong people in the past. We all make mistakes in moments of passion. Does me admitting that I've been wrong before actually change anything about your position?
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Zikten
02/11/19 11:55:49 AM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Zikten posted...
Most people don't know that Israel has murdered US citizens

Are we talking the Saudis killing that American journalist and Trump handwaving it away? Because I think people know about that.

No I am talking about Israel

And the guy the Saudis killed was not American. He had US residency but he was not a citizen. He was Saudi. Not that it wasn't fucked up and wrong. But it also has nothing to do with what I was talking about

Both Saudi government and Israeli government are fucked up. They are both Theocracies. We should not be allied to Theocracies
Antifar
02/11/19 1:47:45 PM
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Mecha Sonic
02/11/19 1:52:04 PM
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all this backlash seems like a distraction from the fact that israel is an ethnostate which commits daily human rights abuses in the name of preserving its majority, and yes, it does take advantage of our campaign finance laws too
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Antifar
02/11/19 3:14:16 PM
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rikasa
02/11/19 3:48:16 PM
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I tried to find what she said that was offensive and it was when she responded to a tweet saying "It's all about the Benjamins $$$"

if you're going to criticize jewish people you can't talk about money. i wish she didn't say it because her points are legitimate
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Antifar
02/11/19 3:49:08 PM
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rikasa posted...
if you're going to criticize jewish people you can't talk about money.

She was criticizing Kevin McCarthy!
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HiddenRoar
02/11/19 4:17:02 PM
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jumi posted...

George W. Bush called Iran, Iraq, and North Korea evil. We only went to war with one of them. I don't remember anyone b****ing about that.


What if you consider economic warfare in the form of sanctions?
Anteaterking
02/11/19 5:56:42 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
--It's wrong to call a country evil because a country is mostly just people trying to live their lives and you unduly prescribe intent to people with no power to change what's being done.


I think it's fallacious to act as if "Israel is evil" means that they people the residents of Israel are all evil. Israel as a synecdoche for the institutions, governments, etc. is much more common than using Israel as a synecdoche for all the citizens of a country.

s0nicfan posted...
--To that extent, I do believe that said "empty attack" is ALSO false because it falsely paints all the citizens, both Jewish AND Muslim citizens living there, as complicit in decisions with debatable merit. It seems we simply fundamentally disagree on these 2 points.


This is really just the same point restated and it has the same flaw. Also even if Omar said "When I say Israel, I mean specifically the people of Israel", an argument of "There is at least one person in Israel who disagrees therefore it's false!" seems really weak.

Like I don't think the claim "Nazi Germany was an evil country" would be contentious, despite not every person in Germany at the time being evil or complicit.

s0nicfan posted...
--I'm sure I've been one of those wrong people in the past. We all make mistakes in moments of passion. Does me admitting that I've been wrong before actually change anything about your position?


Considering my position is that people like you move the goalposts so that any talk critical of Israel is wrong in some way, it is important whether you think that "Why don't they talk about the atrocities of Israel's neighbors?" is an acceptable position to take in the future. If you think it is, then you're okay with the stance that you told people they should be taking instead of this.

Also maybe you should reevaluate why you have such strong opinions on Israel that you fall into fits of passion over it.
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andel
02/11/19 6:05:25 PM
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it is perfectly fine to criticize israel but this woman is clearly going beyond that into antisemitism
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02/11/19 6:14:58 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
For example:
GeFn1yW

I for one am shocked.
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tonicpalin
02/11/19 6:16:50 PM
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HiddenRoar posted...
jumi posted...

George W. Bush called Iran, Iraq, and North Korea evil. We only went to war with one of them. I don't remember anyone b****ing about that.


What if you consider economic warfare in the form of sanctions?

i thought korean war happened? or has it been retconned too?
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s0nicfan
02/11/19 7:32:09 PM
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Anteaterking posted...
I think it's fallacious to act as if "Israel is evil" means that they people the residents of Israel are all evil. Israel as a synecdoche for the institutions, governments, etc. is much more common than using Israel as a synecdoche for all the citizens of a country.


A country so deeply intertwined with its religious history, or as some others in this very topic have called it, an "ethnostate", is in a uniquely different position from your average nation, doubly so when "zionist" has a long history of being used by actual anti-semites as a replacement for "jews", but I'm sure you're aware of that.

Anteaterking posted...
Considering my position is that people like you move the goalposts so that any talk critical of Israel is wrong in some way, it is important whether you think that "Why don't they talk about the atrocities of Israel's neighbors?" is an acceptable position to take in the future. If you think it is, then you're okay with the stance that you told people they should be taking instead of this.

Also maybe you should reevaluate why you have such strong opinions on Israel that you fall into fits of passion over it.


I have such strong opinions because, like it or not, we live in a world where half the population doesn't know the holocaust happened, and among the half that do a third think it was exaggerated or some sort of mossad op. Israel by its very nature is a lightning rod for intense hatred well beyond what any rational person would consider fair criticism and yet that same fact is used like a shield for antisemites to hide behind. I've seen all the arguments, both reasonable and not, and its tiring to so often see people either willingly or otherwise remain blissfully unaware of the history of the country as an excuse to hate it. You can only explain so many times how the country came to be from people who act like the land was stolen by the jews before you start to get sick of playing nice.
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Anteaterking
02/11/19 8:08:52 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
A country so deeply intertwined with its religious history, or as some others in this very topic have called it, an "ethnostate", is in a uniquely different position from your average nation, doubly so when "zionist" has a long history of being used by actual anti-semites as a replacement for "jews", but I'm sure you're aware of that.


The only person conflating zionism and Jews in this topic seems to be you. Your logic here is "I should assume people who attack Israel are attacking Jews because people who are anti-semetic do that", but then seem to think that your conclusion that those people are anti-semetic isn't circular.

Israel being an ethnostate is completely orthogonal to this. You even tried to claim yourself that most people in Israel have no say in what the government does. How does that uniquely make the government institutions more "entwined" with the people?

AIPAC is primarily interested in government military aid to Israel and to support the government of Israel against its geographical foe. It's hard to conflate that with the whims and personalities of random Jewish citizens. Other complaints about Israel are about its treatment of its border. But it's really stretching to hear "Israel is wrong in the Palestinian conflict" and conclude that the person is using that as a way of attacking Jewish citizens.

s0nicfan posted...
Israel by its very nature is a lightning rod for intense hatred well beyond what any rational person would consider fair criticism


What is your basis for saying this? Please try not to use a lack of criticism towards other countries in your argument.
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s0nicfan
02/11/19 8:20:31 PM
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We both know the full range of arguments levied against the state, both the reasonable ones like their blockade of the gaza strip all the way down to the conspiracy theories. You seem educated enough on the issue that I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine. You want to call Israel evil and say they're wrong in the Palestine conflict? Then so be it, but Palestine is a region that has on multiple occasions turned down a proposed two state solution, that has repeatedly elected open terrorist organizations with the literal eradication of the jews in their party platform, that is backed by the same nations that started the war that led to Israel taking what is now contested territory, and who never once recognized their right to exist. On a day no rockets are fired into Israel, nobody dies. Citizens of all faiths in Israel are given equal rights. For fuck's sake... there are arab muslims in Israel's government. There's just no way you can objectively look at the facts and come out believing that of the 2 sides, Palestine is the one worth taking. Nor do I believe you have a plan in place for what to DO with all the Jews in the region should Palestine get their way, since you'd have to be a fucking idiot to believe that they would just stop attacking Israel even if they got the borders they wanted. I would sincerely suggest you read up on the long history of violence in the region to better understand just how deeply entrenched the religious zeal is in the region if I didn't think you already read it all.
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Caution999
02/11/19 8:59:07 PM
96
This woman is clearly a lunatic.
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AmericaTheBrave
02/11/19 9:00:47 PM
97
She is an anti-Semite and should resign.
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King_Hellebuyck
02/11/19 10:58:00 PM
98
Antifar posted...
https://twitter.com/IlhanMN/status/1095046561254567937

Good take imo
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averagejoel
02/12/19 9:36:11 AM
99
We both know the full range of arguments levied against the state, both the reasonable ones like their blockade of the gaza strip all the way down to the conspiracy theories. You seem educated enough on the issue that I'm not going to change your mind, and you're not going to change mine. You want to call Israel evil and say they're wrong in the Palestine conflict? Then so be it, but Palestine is a region that has on multiple occasions turned down a proposed two state solution, that has repeatedly elected open terrorist organizations with the literal eradication of the jews in their party platform, that is backed by the same nations that started the war that led to Israel taking what is now contested territory, and who never once recognized their right to exist. On a day no rockets are fired into Israel, nobody dies. Citizens of all faiths in Israel are given equal rights. For fuck's sake... there are arab muslims in Israel's government. There's just no way you can objectively look at the facts and come out believing that of the 2 sides, Palestine is the one worth taking. Nor do I believe you have a plan in place for what to DO with all the Jews in the region should Palestine get their way, since you'd have to be a fucking idiot to believe that they would just stop attacking Israel even if they got the borders they wanted. I would sincerely suggest you read up on the long history of violence in the region to better understand just how deeply entrenched the religious zeal is in the region if I didn't think you already read it all.
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Knowledge_King
02/12/19 9:55:05 AM
100
I'm confused 'cause nothing's wrong.
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