Board 8 > 50 Kingdom Hearts Levels, with random thoughts and rankings (spoilers)

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colliding
02/07/19 6:42:57 PM
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Hi all. Welcome to another list topic, this time about Kingdom Hearts worlds. Yeah, I know this has been done but has it been done since KH3? Maybe not.

I'll be posting my write-ups about the KH3 worlds in spoiler tags, so no worries. With the earlier games I'll not be using tags.
colliding
02/07/19 7:01:21 PM
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A few honorable mentions:

HM1: Castle Oblivion / Land of Departure

Is it still a spoiler to say that these two are one and the same? In any case, the former is part of (Re): Chain of Memories, which I will never play because it is TERRIBLE. The latter is not really playable. I mean it technically is in BBS, but there's nothing to do there except hit some balls for Xehanort back when passing the Mark of Mastery was easy.

I will say the general "idea" of this place is interesting from a story perspective. I won't get into it now for spoiler reasons. It's certainly a relevant location to the lore, but it's not an actual level in games that matter, unfortunately (MAYBE SE SHOULD FIX THAT?)

HM2: The Mirage Arena (BBS)

You have to do this in order to get a secret report in BBS, so I guess we have to assume it's a canon location. I guess it made sense when people thought a multiplayer wireless kingdom hearts on the psp was a cool idea, but in Final Mix it makes no sense. So yeah, whatever. I played this and did not particularly love it, so it makes sense you can play the command board here.

HM3: Atlantica (KH2)

Hahahaha. Baby's first rhythm game. Props for making this technically optional, but we all did it any way. It was fun in a finny sort of way.
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02/07/19 7:05:42 PM
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And one dishonorable mention:

Disney Town - BBS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ck_WpP9s0" data-time="


The top comment on this youtube is "Welcome to Hell" and it adequately summarizes a general visit to Disney Town in Birth By Sleep. 3 minigames, none of them fun. Pete shenanigans. The platforming with the hands. Having to stack thunders/change decks to start it. The pinball BS. It's just not good in any playthrough (though Terra's is probably the worst... as is the case with most of Terra's levels).
Waluigi1
02/07/19 7:12:46 PM
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02/07/19 7:15:49 PM
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50. Keyblade Graveyard from Birth By Sleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kF9JaZP2N4k" data-time="


Just for the record, we're not talking about KH3 here. We're just talking about the Keyblade Graveyard in the Birth by Sleep game.

You might think based on this list so far that I hate Birth By Sleep. This is false. I actually think BBS is probably the third best in the series. I guess that doesn't necessarily sound great either. (It used to be second best, which sounds a lot better than third best. Anyway.)

The disappointment felt by KH fans getting to play around in the Keyblade Graveyard for only a scant two screens in BBS is palpable to this day. Even worse, one of the screens has that annoying KH staple of having tornadoes of enemies that swoop the player to a black screen to mindlessly wail on the x button for about fifteen seconds.

Once that's over, you're treated to watching the opening movie in in-game graphics, three times, because in BBS you do everything three times (it's not as annoying as I'm making it sound). Watching the movie is though. The boss battles and melodrama here is okay I guess but that's not actually part of the level, is it?
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02/07/19 7:25:46 PM
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49. Deep Jungle, Kingdom Hearts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPMkcRjzZgo" data-time="


I guess I should have mentioned that I don't necessarily have a hard and fast rubric that I'm grading these levels by. If forced at gunpoint to make one, I would say my rankings are 10% technological prowess, 10% music, 10% nostalgia/relevance to the plot and 70% gamepro's very own mysterious "fun factor." In other words, it's completely subjective. Obviously there are levels in BBS that are probably objectively "worse" than this from a graphics point of view, but I just don't care, I hate the deep jungle.

I just don't like this level and I feel like that's a common sentiment in the fanbase, supported by the fact that there's been not a sniff of Tarzan in any of the games since yonder old Kingdom Hearts One. It's dull, none of the areas actually feel connected, there's vine jumping, a pointless slide minigame that wasn't impressive back when this game came out.

Looking back it's really weird that this and WONDERLAND of all games were among the first options SE gave to the player. Wouldn't it make sense to start with a fan-favorite, like, I don't know, Aladdin or something? Wonderland makes thematic sense if you think of Sora as an Alice-like figure, I guess, but Tarzan has no excuse.

Perhaps the worst part of this stage (and maybe this is FM only or something) is that boss where you have to hit the damn flowers. There's one flower that is just super hard to get to and the platforming doesn't do you any favors.
pjbasis
02/07/19 7:30:58 PM
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Tarzan was kind of big in 2000, or at least it tried to be. I think it was definitely a good choice for an early world considering Clayton wasn't part of the Sinister Six either.

And the only reason it never returned is some kind of licensing issue.

That said it's a bad world yeah.
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mnkboy907
02/07/19 7:32:33 PM
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pjbasis posted...
And the only reason it never returned is some kind of licensing issue.

Yeah but if it was a beloved world then Square/Disney might've actually tried harder to re-secure it.
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pjbasis
02/07/19 7:34:55 PM
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Well yes even without licensing issues it probably would not have returned past chain of memories. But it was cut from that game because of licensing.
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02/07/19 7:42:37 PM
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48. Olympus, Birth By Sleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pf0ZXiZj3h0" data-time="


In the above scene, Zack Fair asks Aqua to go out on a date, which is like the only time any one who likes anyone in these games ever even comes CLOSE to doing anything of the sort, so I guess it's monumental in a way.

But no, actually this level sucks and so does ZACK. Yeah, I said it. Crisis Core wasn't good, none of those FFVII spinoffs were, and neither is the BBS version of Olympus Coliseum, in which nothing happens. Right? It's just some random fighting in the Coliseum, three times. If something actually interesting happens here that I have forgotten, please let me know.

Just like it's weird that Tarzan is one of the first KH worlds, it's kind of strange that out of all the worlds KH sees to like Olympus the most, considering that Hercules, if I'm right, is actually one of the lesser Disney animated films. Like it was the beginning of the drop off, right? You've got Aladdin and Lion King - classics by any criteria - and then Hercules comes along and kind of lays an egg. It probably made money at time but I remember thinking it was not good. And then I rewatched it a few weeks ago and yeah, it's actually not that good.

I'm way off track here. Kudos to SE for trying to include FF characters in their Kingdom Hearts games though. Those were the days. I seriously don't like Zack though. Pretty strong D-Link though.
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02/07/19 7:50:05 PM
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47. The Mysterious Tower, Kingdom Hearts 2 AND BBS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2qUP2FKKgk" data-time="


I'm cheating a bit. In order to justify having this place on the list I probably need to conflate its locations over many games. So for this entry AND THIS ENTRY ONLY I'm talking about the Mysterious Tower in all its glory in KH2 and in BBS.

I remember thinking that this place was so cool in KH2 - you know, you're riding the train, finally through with all that Twilight Roxas nonsense, Sora's in his KH1 clothes but he's too tall for them, so he looks like he's a 70's era NBA player... it's nice. In Birth By Sleep it's a big whatever, but it's an actual place with enemies and treasure chests so here it is.

Nothing much happens here. In KH2 there are some stairs and some nobodies to fight. It's actually not a bad place to grind Final Form near the end game. In all the games after this it's really just cut-scene heaven, a place where you will completely and utterly get sick of hearing "Magical Mystery."
JonThePenguin
02/07/19 7:57:23 PM
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02/07/19 8:05:05 PM
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In my last entry for tonight I've decided to break a few hearts.

46. 100 Acre Wood Kingdom Hearts
45. Kingdom Hearts 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoQRy6YOTP0" data-time="


For your listening pleasure I have given you some peaceful relaxing footage of someone pushing Pooh on a swing really really far, set to the tune of a bouncing stuffed tiger.

Once again, as much as I really want to, I'm not talking about KH3 here. Someday. Once I've recovered.

I think 2 is better than 1 here. They're both fairly similar experiences but I think the minigames in 2 are largely more fun.

There's a lot of stuff I really don't care about when it comes to Kingdom Hearts. Like understanding it's plot. But darn it, when I played KH1 and 2, I probably cared more about Pooh Bear and his pals than figuring out who the heck Roxas is and why Diz is weirdly dark-skinned when wrapped up but totally whtie afterwards. I just want them to live happy lives and to always be friends. That's why I went to all those worlds to find their torn pages. And when it somehow happened again, I had no problem finding those pages one more time. Because they are the best.

They're too good for this list, so I'm just getting them out of the way now. Also they're not really levels.

Hint for next world: Predict a Portable Level.
hombad46
02/07/19 8:07:02 PM
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Hint for next world: Predict a Portable Level.


Hm.... Prankster's Paradise?
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mnkboy907
02/07/19 8:39:38 PM
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Uh, I'll guess Snow White's world.
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02/07/19 8:44:11 PM
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pjbasis
02/07/19 8:50:14 PM
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colliding posted...
And then I rewatched it a few weeks ago and yeah, it's actually not that good.


Big oof
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AquaArcane
02/07/19 11:27:58 PM
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tag although deep jungle way too low
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Waluigi1
02/08/19 4:32:40 AM
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Wait... is KH3 part of this?? Cause 100 Acre Wood is the worst it's been in 3 and I don't think that's even arguable...
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02/08/19 3:01:08 PM
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Waluigi1 posted...
Wait... is KH3 part of this?? Cause 100 Acre Wood is the worst it's been in 3 and I don't think that's even arguable...


KH3 100 acre wood is not part of this list and agreed it's terrible

pjbasis posted...
colliding posted...
And then I rewatched it a few weeks ago and yeah, it's actually not that good.


Big oof


Now I don't care if you disagree with my KH rankings but when you start talking about Hercules actually being good LEMME STOP YOU RIGHT THERE

actually I don't care about this either
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02/08/19 3:12:00 PM
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44. Prankster's Paradise in Dream Drop Distance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhRdg_wWfXE" data-time="


When I was a child, my father took me to Disney World. At the time Epcot Center had a ride called "Body Wars" or something like that, which was one of those indoor rides that took place in front of a screen. Nothing really happened except the seats shook and moved around erratically. I was six years old and I was with my father and we were watching the story of a team of scientists being shrunken down to fight diabetes or something. And I got motion sickness. Bad. I tried to hold it in until the ride was over. I failed miserably. I had to spend the rest of the day with vomit on my shirt. I had to meet someone dressed as Mickey Mouse with vomit on my shirt. To this day, I hate stories where people are inside the bodies of living things.

I also have a story about the circus, but I won't tell it here. I don't like the circus for many reasons, let's just say. I also don't think "circus-themed" events in video games: Case 2-3 in Justice for All for example. The notable exception to this is Nier Automata. Anyway, there's no real justification as to why this level is this low on the list; it's purely because of these personal biases.

This is the first 3D level so I guess I should briefly remind everyone that there are Sora and Riku versions of levels. Most of the time they're very similar; this is actually one of the ones that is pretty different. Riku's level is a rehash of Monstro from KH1; Sora's is the aforementioned "Prankster's Paradise," which is half circus and half coastal cave. I really dislike Monstro and I am just creeped out by the alliteration of "Prankster's Paradise." Plus it's a circus and yeah, I'm not into it.

The song up there is actually pretty good, but it's basically battle music from a Mario & Luigi rpg. Same composer I know, but this one sounds REALLY familiar...
hombad46
02/08/19 3:13:35 PM
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Called it!
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02/08/19 3:30:12 PM
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43. Destiny Islands in Kingdom Hearts 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVGj6yKKZts" data-time="


Hello. I'm Tim Rogers and I am REALLY bad at Kingdom Hearts, as evidenced by this let's play.

I'm not really Tim Rogers.

Destiny Islands is super iconic and great. I have nothing bad to say about it as a level; the fact that it hasn't been playable in any of the subsequent games is stupid. KH3 spoilers Particularly in KH3. There's a perfect place for it and all that comes out of it is a cutscene. It can't be that hard. Sora opens a gate to the destiny islands. It's a small world ala Twilight Town. WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU. Anyway, I miss it.

What's everyone's best memory from the Destiny Islands? Losing to Riku? Searching for Shrooms? Whacking balls around with Wakka? Billy Zane? Losing to Riku again? I actually agree with the video above - it's really "sinister" that the first time the game asks you to test your platforming skills it's in a competition that challenges your manhood. Riku himself isn't that hard once you figure out air combos.

Riku's development is kind of weird. Like in this game (vanilla, pre final mix version) he's totally just a straight up antagonist/rival. He's just a huge jerk in this game! I did not care at all when he got shut behind that there door to darkness. Then in Kh2 he's all edgelord. And in DDD he's like everyone's perfect little boy. Part of me wishes he never came back.
hombad46
02/08/19 3:32:45 PM
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the fact that it hasn't been playable in any of the subsequent games is stupid


Chain of Memories though haha
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mnkboy907
02/08/19 3:34:32 PM
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hombad46 posted...
colliding posted...
the fact that it hasn't been playable in any of the subsequent games is stupid


Chain of Memories though haha

And Coded!
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NBIceman
02/08/19 3:35:39 PM
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Destiny Islands is one of the best "tutorials" in video games and it doesn't get enough credit for that.
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02/08/19 3:41:46 PM
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42. The End of the World in Kingdom Hearts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHpRvI7mpXM" data-time="


I swear, when making this list, I didn't plan on these two being right next to each other. It just somehow happened that way. So that's some nice symmetry.

I guess this is technically the "final dungeon" of the first Kingdom Hearts game, but let's be real, if it is it got hard upstaged by Hollow Bastion. I don't think "The End of the World" is a particularly good level. It begins with walking toward chests and fighting random monsters in the chests. Then there's some weird platforming where you're descending into the ground. At some point you have to do Night on Bald Mountain, because it's cool I guess? It just kind of feels half assed.

Speaking of Night on Bald Mountain, we all agree that the worst boss fights in KH are the giant ones like this and Ursula and KH2 Jafar right? Float to face. Spam X. The end. Maybe use Aero.

The final battle is pretty cool and if this list were based purely on atmosphere it would be a lot higher.
hombad46
02/08/19 3:43:05 PM
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No mention of its music? I've always like the End of the World theme
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colliding
02/08/19 3:46:17 PM
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mnkboy907 posted...
hombad46 posted...
colliding posted...
the fact that it hasn't been playable in any of the subsequent games is stupid


Chain of Memories though haha

And Coded!


yeah no, I'm not touching either of those.

I "watched" the cutscenes for Coded. And by that I mean I played Smash bros on the Switch while it played in the background. I kind of hated it. The only part that seems remotely relevant is the very end.

So yeah, there's no Coded or Days on this list. Probably should've mentioned that. (Days is actually pretty decent for what it is).
JonThePenguin
02/08/19 3:52:56 PM
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Re:coded was actually pretty fun to play. Each world had its own gameplay gimmick, for example Olympus Coliseum was turn-based.
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02/08/19 4:01:47 PM
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41. Deep Space in Birth By Sleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2GCWzTsK1F0" data-time="


Okay back to some levels that are actively bad and not just too short.

I don't get Kingdom Heart's weird desire to include/acknowledge Stitch. Lilo & Stitch is not a bad film by any means, but I have no desire at all for this Stitch solo/extended universe stuff. He's a summon in KH2, he gets his own damn level here, and he's back in KH3, although at the very end, and kind of useless. My line of thought is why him and not, I dunno, fill in the blank.

This level has a bit of everything but it's all annoying. It's got some random keyblade cycle minigame that's pointless. It's got some anti-gravity switches. It's got Gantu and his quality voice actor who's in everything but I don't know the name of. Worst of all, it's got the monsters that turn into indestructible balls of death if you don't attack them from the back. It's not a huge deal, except it takes them a while to actually explode, and it really disrupts the flow of combat.

Bottom line is it's just not aesthetically pleasing and I have zero emotional/nostalgic connection with the world itself. Music is not good either.
mnkboy907
02/08/19 4:05:01 PM
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Stitch is awesome and deserves all the attention.
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02/08/19 4:14:22 PM
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40. Dwarf Woodlands in Birth by Sleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI0x0KYChq4" data-time="


Reminder that the story of Snow White is messed up y'all. I always thought so and reading Fables confirmed it.

So here we have another Birth by Sleep world. There's a little variation based on character - Ven gets to actually explore the mines where the dwarves work. Aqua and Terra spend more of their time in the witch's castle. No matter what you're doing it's boring.

No seriously, this is probably the most boring level in the entire series. The most interesting thing about it is the "timed gates" section of the castle, where you smack a wheel with your keyblade and then have five seconds to get past a gate. But it's Birth by Sleep, so it's super easy because in BBS you play as literal keyblade gods who can do anything but are so willfully stupid they get fooled by the most obviously evil person of all time.

I guess Aqua's boss fight is kind of cool - you're fighting the enchanted mirror. BBS .2 has a nice little throwback to this. Oh yeah, I'm not putting .2's "Dark World" on this list either. Because it wasn't that good.
Bane_Of_Despair
02/08/19 4:23:00 PM
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Riku's development is kind of weird. Like in this game (vanilla, pre final mix version) he's totally just a straight up antagonist/rival. He's just a huge jerk in this game! I did not care at all when he got shut behind that there door to darkness. Then in Kh2 he's all edgelord. And in DDD he's like everyone's perfect little boy. Part of me wishes he never came back.

Oh wow you're actually just a bad person
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02/08/19 4:37:53 PM
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39. Monstro in Kingdom Hearts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKQPFdP-w5s" data-time="


I've already gone into detail (perhaps too much) about why I don't like stories where people get eaten. What's worse than "inside the body" levels? "Inside the body" levels with no maps. No maps and weird jumps. And psychedelic walls. I don't like walking around inside animal bowels. I just don't. Bowser's inside story, Jabu-Jabu. Just stop it. I'm seriously getting sick just thinking about it. If you're into vore, just leave the thread. I don't want you here.

Can we talk a minute about the Pinocchio plothole? (Prankster's Paradise alliteration is unavoidable it seems.) Why is Pinocchio in Traverse town in KH and then randomly inside Monstro? Why is he not already inside Monstro due to DDD? Do I really care?

Riku's here and he's clearly a bad dude. Why do we like him again?

That's all for today. Hint for next time: Who's ready for the Ball?

So many questions; so few answers.
colliding
02/08/19 4:39:36 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
colliding posted...
Riku's development is kind of weird. Like in this game (vanilla, pre final mix version) he's totally just a straight up antagonist/rival. He's just a huge jerk in this game! I did not care at all when he got shut behind that there door to darkness. Then in Kh2 he's all edgelord. And in DDD he's like everyone's perfect little boy. Part of me wishes he never came back.

Oh wow you're actually just a bad person


I'm hyperbolizing for comedic purposes but I think Riku is terrible and should die a terrible death and if you like him you should stop
Waluigi1
02/08/19 5:05:06 PM
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Riku has had such a great personal story arch though. He's so much better now that he's not so edgelord.
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Bane_Of_Despair
02/08/19 5:06:11 PM
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Riku is the best character in the series sorry not sorry
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colliding
02/08/19 9:17:29 PM
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Riku is fine, okay? I just think it's weird how he's all over the place from game to game. He's certainly better than Sora, who I think has been permanently brain damaged from being memory-wiped and forced into comas for years, cause he dumb as hell.
NBIceman
02/08/19 9:18:26 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Riku is the best character in the series sorry not sorry

Wow, that's a weird way of spelling Axel.
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Pirateking2000
02/08/19 9:59:09 PM
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Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Riku is the best character in the series sorry not sorry

NBIceman posted...
Bane_Of_Despair posted...
Riku is the best character in the series sorry not sorry

Wow, that's a weird way of spelling Axel.


Needs more Roxas
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AquaArcane
02/08/19 10:22:14 PM
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I just think it's weird how he's all over the place from game to game.

I mean, he grew up. Nobody else managed to do that.

also Aqua is best character
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02/09/19 3:04:55 PM
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38 Castle of Dreams in Birth by Sleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NhEde3KQn4" data-time="


The thing about Sleeping Beauty's world is that it sucks.

Wait, what's that? This isn't Sleeping Beauty's world? Oh that's right. That's Enchanted Dominion. Am I the only one who gets these mixed up EVERY. DAMN. TIME? I mean it's the Castle of "Dreams," what do you want from me? This is Cinderelly's world.

In this episode of Birth by Sleep, Terra is super creepy (what else is new). Aqua shows up a bit too late to do anything interesting. Ven's level is pretty nice though, where he's shrunken down and fighting giant cats. MRAOW. Feels a bit bad, actually. Other bosses in this series are like weird shadow monster types or edgy bad boys, but here we're actually kicking the crap out of an actual cat minding its own business.

Clearly BBS is quickly filling up this list, but I hold that it's actually a really good game whose focus is 100% combat. That's not a bad thing, but in a list based solely on the levels, they're going to seem crappy in comparison.
Bane_Of_Despair
02/09/19 3:13:00 PM
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Funny you guys mention Roxas and Aqua

1. Riku
2. Roxas
3. Aqua

All great
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02/09/19 3:19:05 PM
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37. Atlantica in Kingdom Hearts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D16dkuPd7CY" data-time="


Just because you can do something doesn't necessarily mean you should do something.

I'll probably get some flack for this, because I know this is a polarizing level. On one hand, you've got to give Nomura credit for throwing in a stage that completely changes the moveset and adds unlimited vertical movement. On the other, you've got a game whose most fun attribute is its combo-based combat and that kind of suffers here. And by "suffers" I mean it dies a slow death.

Atlantica has some novel ideas - turning the chests into shells, making Goofy into a turtle... um... okay, maybe that's it. It's just not fun adjusting the camera all the time and having to be constantly pressing circle and square to make sure you're all lined up. For all the increased movement you have there's really nowhere to go with it.

It ends with the giant Ursula fight which is - I guess - iconic, but like I mentioned with the Night on Bald Mountain write-up, I find these giant boss fights to be really boring. It's either prohibitively hard on higher difficulties or completely easy on lower ones. I get that at the time it was showing off some pretty good graphics but it's just lame now.

Finally, am I the only one who thinks it was a bit off putting how easily Sora accepted being changed into a mermaid? Like, that was his first "form change" right? And he just did not freak out at all. I definitely would have.
mnkbear907
02/09/19 3:24:53 PM
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I'm pretty sure they talk about it being Donald's magic to keep the world order. Also I think it's player choice to do Atlantica or Halloweentown first.
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hombad46
02/09/19 3:28:35 PM
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Im surprised you didnt mention how annoying the dolphin was and how you need to kill everything around to grab it
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02/09/19 3:32:20 PM
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36. Enchanted Dominion in Birth by Sleep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyAl7WOM8FQ" data-time="


The thing about Cinderella's world is that it's really just untapped potential with the stepsisters and the--- oh wait, sorry, wrong world (same joke).

While technically one might think of this as Aurora's ("Sleeping Beauty's") world, let's be real, this is MALEFICENT'S world and as such, I think there's a little missed potential here. The stuff in her castle itself is actually pretty great: the teleporting maze, the weird little arena where it briefly looks like Aqua and Ven are gonna team up, the fact that you're fighting her minions instead of random unversed, the somber theme. It all adds up to make this one of BBS's stronger levels.

Aqua wins the competition of "who wore it best" though, because she gets to have a unique boss fight against dragon Maleficent with Prince Charming at her side. It's pretty well done and is one of the few fights in BBS you can't win by just spamming command deck moves.

I say missed potential because in general Maleficent herself has been a pile of wasted potential since halfway through KH2. Like after the Radiant Garden battle she and Pete are just aimless. KH3 spoilers: And this includes in KH3 where Nomura teases the box and NEVER OPENS IT ARGH. Here, you would think that the prologue might give us a bit more with her and Xehanort, but it really leaves it up to the player to piece it together.

Also, Terra's level here is SO BAD. And technically it's THE FIRST LEVEL if you follow the "recommended order" of BBS. You could say that about all of Terra's levels though really, and Terra himself. What a piece of human garbage.
Bane_Of_Despair
02/09/19 3:36:05 PM
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The Silent Forest is one of my favorite tracks in the series tbh
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You were the cancer, that's all you'll ever be
...and when the Clouds cleared,Advokaiser stood alone as CBX Guru Champ
colliding
02/09/19 3:48:45 PM
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35. Neverland in Kingdom Hearts

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Speaking of wasted potential, let's talk about Neverland in Kingdom Hearts, a rare case where the BBS version is vastly superior to the original.

Just to get it out of the way, story-wise Neverland is very cool. Riku's here, KAIRI'S HERE except a little sleepy, a lot happens here that's pretty important leading into the KH endgame.

But gameplay wise it's a huge failure, in my opinion. You're given the power of flight only to be stuck in a tiny level where you're in the hold of a ship! It's not fun, much less helpful, to fly in this level except on the deck- where you are for the duration of one boss fight. It's crazy! How in the world is this "Neverland?" It's a ship and the clock tower.

The only reason it isn't the most disappointing level of KH1 is due to the Phantom fight, which might very well have been baby colliding's very first "optional boss." I mean besides Ruby Weapon. And the optional Chrono Trigger stuff (but come on, that doesn't count). Okay, maybe not my first, but it's one of the first times I fought and triumphed over a challenging optional boss. Phantom is about the perfect level of difficulty I think, requiring a mix of skill and leveling.
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