Poll of the Day > This Metro Exodus boycott is the dumbest thing I've seen in a while.

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Yellow
02/06/19 1:26:42 AM
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Particularly, this popular and well-rated video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuGc_WsHm08" data-time="


...They are moving it from one place... to another. You have to click 3 more times. Literally the only reason people are mad is that it's different, they have to click on a different picture, and people weren't warned ahead of time.

This online rage logic is like a cult, I can't really pinpoint what it is about it. For this many people to not think objectively, that needs some cult mentality.
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AllstarSniper32
02/06/19 1:30:40 AM
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I can see why people are upset about it, but I don't think it's something that people should be upset about.
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Zangulus
02/06/19 1:32:09 AM
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Wait... what the fuck?
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AllstarSniper32
02/06/19 1:33:23 AM
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Also, I didn't watch that video so I don't know everything that's happening in this whole thing.
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DPsx7
02/06/19 1:40:19 AM
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Bwa ha! After the stunts it pulled - F you Steam.
BlackScythe0
02/06/19 1:41:57 AM
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There is a ubisoft launcher, an ea launcher, now an epic launcher.

I'm done with it man. They're doing exclusivity deals instead of trying to compete as a gaming infrastructure like Steam is.
TigerTycoon
02/06/19 1:47:45 AM
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They're mad because a publisher took a payout from a distribution platform to make the game a timed exclusive to inconvenience everyone who doesn't want to install multiple distribution platforms to play games.

Nobody is happy with timed exclusives in general and while Steam having a monopoly on PC isn't the best trying to beat it by paying for timed exclusives, or just exclusives, will obviously make people upset.
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Veedrock-
02/06/19 1:50:05 AM
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Obviously Deep Silver should have made their own storefront.
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Ferarri619
02/06/19 1:51:20 AM
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Competition could pressure Valve into finally releasing Half Life 3....

From what I know though, Epic Store isn't trustworthy because of their history of Credit Card info compromised on Fortnite and the store is associated with a huge Chinese corporation Tencent.
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ParanoidObsessive
02/06/19 1:54:41 AM
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I ignore pretty much all calls to boycott these days, partly because they usually come from insane people with terrible ideology, and partly because no one ever actually follows through and they accomplish almost nothing anyway.

90% of the time, the loudest people screaming that they're going to boycott were never going to buy the product in the first place, and still won't even if the company capitulates to every single one of their demands. It sort of dilutes the sociological value of the concept.


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BlackScythe0
02/06/19 1:58:58 AM
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Eh, I get a feeling they may just decide to not make any more games for PC.

The controversy was one thing, and probably a result of a publisher decision. But then the developers got in it and made posts using a threatening tone. I can see where the dude was coming from, but he was too angry when he decided to make his post.
TigerTycoon
02/06/19 2:01:10 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Eh, I get a feeling they may just decide to not make any more games for PC.

The controversy was one thing, and probably a result of a publisher decision. But then the developers got in it and made posts using a threatening tone. I can see where the dude was coming from, but he was too angry when he decided to make his post.

The accusation was silly, it was basically suggesting the fans should support them in anything they do if they like the developer/their games.

No developer deserves that.
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BlackScythe0
02/06/19 2:06:04 AM
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TigerTycoon posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Eh, I get a feeling they may just decide to not make any more games for PC.

The controversy was one thing, and probably a result of a publisher decision. But then the developers got in it and made posts using a threatening tone. I can see where the dude was coming from, but he was too angry when he decided to make his post.

The accusation was silly, it was basically suggesting the fans should support them in anything they do if they like the developer/their games.

No developer deserves that.


Ah what I got was "If it doesn't do good on PC we can't justify making PC games in the future" but angry and worded in a way that came across as a threat.
Oops_All_Berrys
02/06/19 2:12:02 AM
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Honestly though Valve has become so complacent that they need competition, we're seeing the same fragmentation here as the video streaming market, whether it's to the consumers ultimate benefit I'm not sure, but I hope it makes companies work harder to draw in customers
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Revelation34
02/06/19 2:21:40 AM
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Yellow posted...
Particularly, this popular and well-rated video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuGc_WsHm08" data-time="


...They are moving it from one place... to another. You have to click 3 more times. Literally the only reason people are mad is that it's different, they have to click on a different picture, and people weren't warned ahead of time.

This online rage logic is like a cult, I can't really pinpoint what it is about it. For this many people to not think objectively, that needs some cult mentality.


Games being on one platform exclusively are bullshit. They should be on all platforms equally.
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Kungfu Kenobi
02/06/19 2:25:51 AM
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Yellow posted...
You have to click 3 more times.


That's all it takes to make an Epic Game Store account? No email, no CC/Paypal details, no account name and password, no client install... . I mean, I don't know for sure, but I think you're probably wrong on that point. But maybe I'm a 30 year old boomer and that means I don't have a Fortnite account with all that set up already. So let's say three clicks, that's three clicks extra so the publisher can enjoy a more lucrative revenue split at no extra value to me.

Why on earth should I make those three extra clicks again? To play a game, one of hundreds if not thousands competing for my time and money? There are games I own that are only two clicks away, but I've never played them. Three clicks and some money is pushing it as far as I'm concerned.

But that's just the inertia talking. I have no brand loyalty* to Steam, and I hope EGS makes Valve rethink some things.

*Though I'm leery about any entity in bed with Tencent.
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Yellow
02/06/19 5:16:04 AM
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But... the whole reason people hate exclusivity is because they have to pay $400 for a new console.

This is just downloading one free program... which doesn't mean anything in the age of 4+ core CPUs, with a net positive of healthy competition. Why not complain that I have to install .NET runtimes. That took at least 2 clicks, 2/3 of an entire boycott's worth.

Account creation? I got you bro, use that Google+ account you painstakingly crafted 4 years ago.

It takes a lot for me to actually get mad when the work put into a game by a heartless corporation is insulted by people willy-nillyingly getting mad because they want to.
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Kungfu Kenobi
02/06/19 5:41:16 AM
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That's a non-sequitur. It's a zero value proposition, for non-zero effort. That the effort is minimal isn't an argument. If time is money, you're essentially putting forward that it's only 5 cents for me to install this thing. Well what do I get for that 5 cents? A thing that's going to sell me things? I have one of those!
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Yellow
02/06/19 5:54:01 AM
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You could have made an Epic account in the time you spent writing that post.
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Mead
02/06/19 6:11:31 AM
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Isnt the game $10 cheaper on the epic store though
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Kungfu Kenobi
02/06/19 6:24:34 AM
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Yellow posted...
You could have made an Epic account in the time you spent writing that post.


Not an argument for why.

Mead posted...
Isnt the game $10 cheaper on the epic store though


This is, on the other hand.
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Ferron
02/06/19 6:26:40 AM
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...
Yellow posted...
You have to click 3 more times.


That's all it takes to make an Epic Game Store account? No email, no CC/Paypal details, no account name and password, no client install... . I mean, I don't know for sure, but I think you're probably wrong on that point. But maybe I'm a 30 year old boomer and that means I don't have a Fortnite account with all that set up already. So let's say three clicks, that's three clicks extra so the publisher can enjoy a more lucrative revenue split at no extra value to me.

Why on earth should I make those three extra clicks again? To play a game, one of hundreds if not thousands competing for my time and money? There are games I own that are only two clicks away, but I've never played them. Three clicks and some money is pushing it as far as I'm concerned.

But that's just the inertia talking. I have no brand loyalty* to Steam, and I hope EGS makes Valve rethink some things.

*Though I'm leery about any entity in bed with Tencent.

This is one of the worst posts I've ever read in my entire life
Zangulus
02/06/19 7:29:48 AM
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What i want to know is what those 3 extra clocks actually are
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LinkPizza
02/06/19 9:00:08 AM
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Zangulus posted...
What i want to know is what those 3 extra clocks actually are

I think one is installing the launcher...
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_AdjI_
02/06/19 9:31:55 AM
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TigerTycoon posted...
They're mad because a publisher took a payout from a distribution platform to make the game a timed exclusive to inconvenience everyone who doesn't want to install multiple distribution platforms to play games.

Nobody is happy with timed exclusives in general and while Steam having a monopoly on PC isn't the best trying to beat it by paying for timed exclusives, or just exclusives, will obviously make people upset.


Pretty much. Exclusivity deals like this only ever hurt the consumers. In this case, it's a relatively minor inconvenience compared to having to buy a new console, but it's still a matter of adding another, separate library to one's PC and having to remember another account's login details, all for absolutely no benefit to them whatsoever. If a publisher wants to cut an exclusivity deal, then the onus is on them to somehow sweeten the deal for inconvenienced customers, not to act like people are unreasonable for not wanting to be inconvenienced with no benefit.

BlackScythe0 posted...
Eh, I get a feeling they may just decide to not make any more games for PC.

The controversy was one thing, and probably a result of a publisher decision. But then the developers got in it and made posts using a threatening tone. I can see where the dude was coming from, but he was too angry when he decided to make his post.


Yeah, holding games to ransom like that isn't cool either, and just shows that the devs are out of touch with what people are actually bothered by. The whole "if you really liked the games you'd put up with anything the publisher decided to do" attitude positively drips with ignorant arrogance, and it's hard to be sympathetic to somebody like that (though being a machine translation, it's very possible some mitigating idiom got lost in translation).
ernieforss
02/06/19 9:49:14 AM
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All they are doing is making a internal "console war". People want their collections to be in one spot. it's the reason why people choice Apple, Amazon or what ever 3rd rate downloading system to have all their movies in one spot (PSN or XBLA).

Now people are going to be like Steam is better than Epic. Other factions will say Epic is better than Steam. and then the 3rd faction (basically like Sega fans) No Gog is better than all the rest! (Origin and Battlenet and Ubisoft are like the mall kiosk consoles. You only have Origin to play Battlefield or Call of duty. Battlenet to play those 2 games and ubisoft because they are 3 classic games that you remember but you can easily just buy them on a different platform.)

PC is no longer going to be a master race since it's dividing it own self.
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Mead
02/06/19 10:01:46 AM
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Arent both platforms free though?

It isnt like you have to pick one or the other
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Smarkil
02/06/19 12:02:08 PM
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I'm not explicitly boycotting the game, but I'm not downloading any more bullshit launchers to play these games anymore. So far, I've had to deal with Origin, Ubisoft, Steam, GoG, Battlenet, and now Epic.

I've totally stopped buying/playing games from Ubisoft or EA in part because of their stupid ass launchers. Especially annoying when stuff like the ME series started on Steam and then halfway through migrated to EA's. It's especially egregious if you consider consoles a part of the problem. That moves us up to what, 9 different platforms I have to worry about?

Sorry Metro, I'm just gonna have to pass. I've got nothing against you, but I'm not that hard up for video games.
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LJRENEGADE
02/06/19 12:07:46 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
There is a ubisoft launcher, an ea launcher, now an epic launcher.

I'm done with it man. They're doing exclusivity deals instead of trying to compete as a gaming infrastructure like Steam is.

This is my problem with it. It's not "hey, you could buy the game on Steam, but look at all these additional and better features Epic has that you get if you buy it here instead",

It's more "you have no choice, use Epic if you want this game." And Epic doesn't have a lot of the features Steam does afaik.

Plus they made Metro exclusive to Epic like two weeks before launch even though it was available on Steam and people bought it there beforehand.

It's just kind of annoying and leaves a bad taste in your mouth. I wouldn't boycott the game if I really wanted it, but if I was on the fence, this would be enough to make me not care enough to give it a shot.
LinkPizza
02/06/19 12:35:32 PM
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Mead posted...
Arent both platforms free though?

It isnt like you have to pick one or the other

Thats not the issue, I believe. Its just that they want it all in one place. I think... Though, they should still be able to cross-play with each other. If not, the. That could end up being a reason, too...
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Mead
02/06/19 12:44:36 PM
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I kinda feel like this is the equivalent of being upset that not every show is on netflix
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BlackScythe0
02/06/19 12:48:19 PM
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Mead posted...
I kinda feel like this is the equivalent of being upset that not every show is on netflix


Not exactly. Shows used to just be on TV. And even in the early days netflix wasn't known for having "everything".

PC gamers are all used to just being able to play PC games. If people could give a begrudging pass to Ubi and EA because they are big greedy publishers Epic doesn't get that. What do they even have on their launcher besides Fortnite at this point?
Revelation34
02/06/19 1:04:33 PM
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Yellow posted...
But... the whole reason people hate exclusivity is because they have to pay $400 for a new console.

This is just downloading one free program... which doesn't mean anything in the age of 4+ core CPUs, with a net positive of healthy competition. Why not complain that I have to install .NET runtimes. That took at least 2 clicks, 2/3 of an entire boycott's worth.

Account creation? I got you bro, use that Google+ account you painstakingly crafted 4 years ago.

It takes a lot for me to actually get mad when the work put into a game by a heartless corporation is insulted by people willy-nillyingly getting mad because they want to.


Well you show you're just ignorant instead.
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Mead
02/06/19 1:07:56 PM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
I kinda feel like this is the equivalent of being upset that not every show is on netflix


Not exactly. Shows used to just be on TV. And even in the early days netflix wasn't known for having "everything".

PC gamers are all used to just being able to play PC games. If people could give a begrudging pass to Ubi and EA because they are big greedy publishers Epic doesn't get that. What do they even have on their launcher besides Fortnite at this point?


I just feel like this wouldnt be seen as a big deal at all in any other industry

Competition is healthy
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BlackScythe0
02/06/19 1:12:30 PM
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Mead posted...
BlackScythe0 posted...
Mead posted...
I kinda feel like this is the equivalent of being upset that not every show is on netflix


Not exactly. Shows used to just be on TV. And even in the early days netflix wasn't known for having "everything".

PC gamers are all used to just being able to play PC games. If people could give a begrudging pass to Ubi and EA because they are big greedy publishers Epic doesn't get that. What do they even have on their launcher besides Fortnite at this point?


I just feel like this wouldnt be seen as a big deal at all in any other industry

Competition is healthy


I don't know what to tell you. It can't be compared to consoles since, PC is the console here.

I guess you're trying to compare it to networks, but I can't really see a launcher as the same as a network.
_AdjI_
02/06/19 1:17:41 PM
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Mead posted...
I kinda feel like this is the equivalent of being upset that not every show is on netflix


It's more equivalent to a high-profile show being advertised as coming to Netflix on a certain date, but then the studio announces that they've signed a timed exclusivity deal with Hulu that will delay the Netflix release. It's pretty understandable that people would be annoyed by that.

That said, the Netflix comparison isn't entirely wrong, because it happens very often that a show somebody's interested in doesn't come to netflix, and that person's response is to not bother streaming the show rather than buying into a new platform. It's not necessarily "upset," but it does mean the show loses viewers.

Mead posted...
Competition is healthy


It can be, but exclusivity deals like this aren't an example of healthy competition. Healthy competition fosters innovation in delivering a better experience for users and consumers. This is just a matter of throwing money at the publisher to make sure some users can't have the game right away, and that doesn't benefit anyone on the consumer end.
Revelation34
02/06/19 1:53:58 PM
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Mead posted...

Competition is healthy


Real competition would be having the game on all platforms equally.

_AdjI_ posted...
That said, the Netflix comparison isn't entirely wrong, because it happens very often that a show somebody's interested in doesn't come to netflix, and that person's response is to not bother streaming the show rather than buying into a new platform. It's not necessarily "upset," but it does mean the show loses viewers.


I think people would be far more likely to pirate in a situation like that.
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HeyImAlex
02/06/19 5:01:09 PM
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It's probably because Metro fans don't want their holy game tainted with a name that has to do with Fortnight.
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HeyImAlex
02/06/19 5:03:15 PM
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I dunno, as an artist maybe I see things a little differently... Like, this company owns their product and they can do whatever the fuck they want with it. It's the same as people getting pissed because the next Diablo game is mobile. WHO THE FUCK CARES! Fanboys are the only ones that care... holy fuck this is why I left in the first place...
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HeyImAlex
02/06/19 5:05:06 PM
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Kungfu Kenobi posted...
Yellow posted...
You have to click 3 more times.

So let's say three clicks, that's three clicks extra so the publisher can enjoy a more lucrative revenue split at no extra value to me.

Do you think these video game companies owe you something????
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Aculo
02/06/19 5:07:00 PM
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could someone explain to me exactly what the problem is? i literally can't take that fat obnoxious youtuber guy, ok?
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AllstarSniper32
02/06/19 5:10:50 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
Mead posted...
Competition is healthy

Real competition would be having the game on all platforms equally.

That's...not how competition works.
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HeyImAlex
02/06/19 5:11:24 PM
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Aculo posted...
could someone explain to me exactly what the problem is? i literally can't take that fat obnoxious youtuber guy, ok?

I didn't watch it enough to know what the problem actually is. Probably because, realistically, there is no problem. People are making up reasons to be upset, per the usual >:/
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HeyImAlex
02/06/19 5:17:07 PM
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_AdjI_ posted...
If a publisher wants to cut an exclusivity deal, then the onus is on them to somehow sweeten the deal for inconvenienced customers, not to act like people are unreasonable for not wanting to be inconvenienced with no benefit.

It really isn't an inconvenience though... grow the fuck up, please.
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Zareth
02/06/19 5:31:39 PM
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Hooray, another account to make that will inevitably be compromised when the server gets hacked.
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ParanoidObsessive
02/06/19 7:02:29 PM
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Aculo posted...
could someone explain to me exactly what the problem is?

Millennial entitlement.


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Revelation34
02/07/19 1:33:26 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...

That's...not how competition works.


Yes it is. Gamers would choose which platform they want to support. Some people even buy games multiple times.

HeyImAlex posted...
I didn't watch it enough to know what the problem actually is. Probably because, realistically, there is no problem. People are making up reasons to be upset, per the usual >:/


Your post is ironic since you're making it up that people are making up reasons.

HeyImAlex posted...
It really isn't an inconvenience though... grow the fuck up, please.


People like having all their games in one place, especially if they already had the other games in the series.
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Dikitain
02/07/19 2:07:28 PM
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I would never boycott it, but I also am not interested in playing another Metro game anyways. So I still am not getting it.

I will say through that timed exclusivity deals never workout for developers/publishers, so I don't know why they still insist on doing it. People are either going to wait until it comes out on their system or forget about it altogether. No one is actively going out and buying another console (or in this case downloading ANOTHER game launcher) just for one game that is eventually going to be coming to their system of choice anyways. The money they make from exclusivity never makes up for the loss of sales.
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Marcster1994
02/07/19 4:28:21 PM
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AllstarSniper32 posted...
Revelation34 posted...
Mead posted...
Competition is healthy

Real competition would be having the game on all platforms equally.

That's...not how competition works.


Yes, because GoG exists alongside Steam with their own perks that Steam has, but does not hold games hostage.
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_AdjI_
02/08/19 12:28:55 PM
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HeyImAlex posted...
I dunno, as an artist maybe I see things a little differently... Like, this company owns their product and they can do whatever the f*** they want with it.


They can indeed. And then customers can choose not to buy the product if they don't like what they do. It's very simple.

HeyImAlex posted...
It's the same as people getting pissed because the next Diablo game is mobile.


That one was less simply because the game is mobile, but rather because they made that announcement to an audience of long-time series fans who had paid hundreds of dollars for flights, hotels, and tickets to come to Blizzcon and experience the "big Diablo announcement" they'd been hyping up, only to have that announcement turn out to be a cheap mobile spinoff game outsourced to a developer notorious for for making barebones asset flip mobile ARPG's. There's nothing wrong with the idea of a mobile Diablo game, fundamentally, but hyping up that announcement and making it to an audience of avid PC gamers who were hoping for a proper installment was a hideous failure to understand their audience. The backlash is 100% expected and deserved, and should be treated as a lesson in not being completely clueless about how they announce their half-assed outsourced mobile cash-ins.

HeyImAlex posted...
Do you think these video game companies owe you something????


If they want to foster good will and customer loyalty? Yes. If they're not offering me something better than their competitors offer, I've got no reason to buy from them. If they buy an exclusivity deal that makes their competitor's offering worse, that's not offering me something better, so it's perfectly reasonable to resent them for making the choice I've made worse.

HeyImAlex posted...
It really isn't an inconvenience though... grow the f*** up, please.


It's an extra library to manage and an extra set of account credentials to remember. Hardly the end of the world, of course, but it definitely qualifies as an inconvenience, especially with how fragmented the PC digital market has already become (between Steam, GOG, Origin, Ubisoft, and probably some others I'm forgetting). If they want me to remember another account, then they need to provide some incentive that makes that effort worthwhile.
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