Current Events > Trevor Noah has a really good monologue regarding representation in hollywood

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BeantownHero
01/11/19 2:28:54 PM
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http://www.cc.com/video-clips/j2s3pb/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-let-s-talk-this-out---bryan-cranston-s-controversial-casting-in--the-upside-
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Were_Wyrm
01/11/19 2:31:02 PM
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Whats up with that dude in black?
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tote_all
01/11/19 2:33:20 PM
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I don't know this guy but the big revelation to him was that the disabled guy can't play able characters? He sounds extremely stupid.
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BeantownHero
01/11/19 2:36:56 PM
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tote_all posted...
I don't know this guy but the big revelation to him was that the disabled guy can't play able characters? He sounds extremely stupid.


I think it was more "for people who fit this very rare criteria in Hollywood, it would be better if studios had more vision and actually looked for them. It could be an opportunity someone really talented, yet overlooked, could really benefit from"

Just something to think about going forward. This movie could've been a real good opportunity for the world to be introduced to a really good actor.
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s0nicfan
01/11/19 2:45:39 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
tote_all posted...
I don't know this guy but the big revelation to him was that the disabled guy can't play able characters? He sounds extremely stupid.


I think it was more "for people who fit this very rare criteria in Hollywood, it would be better if studios had more vision and actually looked for them. It could be an opportunity someone really talented, yet overlooked, could really benefit from"

Just something to think about going forward. This movie could've been a real good opportunity for the world to be introduced to a really good actor.


What are the odds that there's someone really talented AND overlooked AND also suffering from a very rare condition that has dedicated their life to acting on the off chance that they'd stumble on to the one role that wouldn't be hindered by their position? Like... is this even a possibility, or are we talking a hypothetical so far from reality that it's not something that even exists?
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BeantownHero
01/11/19 3:31:58 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
BeantownHero posted...
tote_all posted...
I don't know this guy but the big revelation to him was that the disabled guy can't play able characters? He sounds extremely stupid.


I think it was more "for people who fit this very rare criteria in Hollywood, it would be better if studios had more vision and actually looked for them. It could be an opportunity someone really talented, yet overlooked, could really benefit from"

Just something to think about going forward. This movie could've been a real good opportunity for the world to be introduced to a really good actor.


What are the odds that there's someone really talented AND overlooked AND also suffering from a very rare condition that has dedicated their life to acting on the off chance that they'd stumble on to the one role that wouldn't be hindered by their position? Like... is this even a possibility, or are we talking a hypothetical so far from reality that it's not something that even exists?


Noah didnt really seem to be advocating for quite that specific, but I'm sure they're actors I wheelchairs. Noah mentions one in the clip
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s0nicfan
01/11/19 3:36:38 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
s0nicfan posted...
BeantownHero posted...
tote_all posted...
I don't know this guy but the big revelation to him was that the disabled guy can't play able characters? He sounds extremely stupid.


I think it was more "for people who fit this very rare criteria in Hollywood, it would be better if studios had more vision and actually looked for them. It could be an opportunity someone really talented, yet overlooked, could really benefit from"

Just something to think about going forward. This movie could've been a real good opportunity for the world to be introduced to a really good actor.


What are the odds that there's someone really talented AND overlooked AND also suffering from a very rare condition that has dedicated their life to acting on the off chance that they'd stumble on to the one role that wouldn't be hindered by their position? Like... is this even a possibility, or are we talking a hypothetical so far from reality that it's not something that even exists?


Noah didnt really seem to be advocating for quite that specific, but I'm sure they're actors I wheelchairs. Noah mentions one in the clip


Okay, so how many wheelchair bound actors exist in hollywood that are good enough to replace Bryan Cranston? A truly talented actor is already rare. The idea that there's a truly talented wheelchair bound one whose agent missed the casting call still seems far fetched.

I understand where these arguments come from, but they always seem to rely on this notion that there's an infinite pool of equally qualified people of all types just waiting for someone to notice them.
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SK8T3R215
01/11/19 3:40:34 PM
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The most controversial part of "The Upside" is they are remaking a shittier version of "The Intouchables".
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Funbazooka
01/11/19 3:53:33 PM
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It isn't a controversial casting decision. Acting is pretending. What you got here is a very small amount of abnormal people with unnatural hair colors, acting and pretending to be offended on behalf of others. They're to be ignored.
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Milkman5
01/11/19 3:56:09 PM
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I'll give Trevor Noah the benefit of the doubt and hope that one of his dumb writers wrote this monologue
Lebronwon
01/11/19 4:01:35 PM
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Props to Breaking Bad for giving a role to the son who was like that in real life.
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tremain07
01/11/19 4:06:57 PM
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I saw that last night, I don't mean to be cruel but that actor in a wheelchair should pursue another field of work, there are so many different things you have to do to make it as an actor that disabled people like him will never ever get a shot, it's not even discrimination, he's a nobody and Hollywood doesn't make films for representation, they make them to make money and certain stars make money. It's why they didn't get an actual tech genius to play Steve Jobs in that movie Aston Klucher was in years ago. That's just reality
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Lost_All_Senses
01/11/19 4:32:43 PM
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I definitely understand and sympathize but at the same time it's easy for people to say "Yeah, give them a chance" when it's not your 10s of millions of dollars (maybe 100s, I dunno) taking that risk. You specifically go for known respected actors to get people like me who wouldn't normally see a movie like this or even pay attention until you bring up big names I like such as Kevin Hart and Bryon Cranston. If it was Kevin Hart & No Name Id be like "eh, not really my type of movie". You gotta have big names to sell a movie like this.
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Funbazooka
01/11/19 4:48:35 PM
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Let's say hypothetically, for fun, that all of a sudden all the disabled parts were cast with actual disabled actors. What would happen next is that the same regressive busy-bodies would complain and whine and call it an injustice and discrimination and ableist that disabled actors were only getting the disabled parts. "They aren't defined by their disability, you know!"
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BeantownHero
01/11/19 5:48:41 PM
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damn...I thought he sounded totally reasonable. Is there any way to have this discussion?

edit: Noah even went out of his way to avoid slandering or demonizing any and is still met with hostility?
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Lost_All_Senses
01/11/19 5:51:21 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
damn...I thought he sounded totally reasonable. Is there any way to have this discussion?

edit: Noah even went out of his way to avoid slandering or demonizing any and is still met with hostility?


Fuck you too
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MC_BatCommander
01/11/19 5:52:32 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
damn...I thought he sounded totally reasonable. Is there any way to have this discussion?

edit: Noah even went out of his way to avoid slandering or demonizing any and is still met with hostility?


You can't have reasonable discussion on CE, it is filled to the brim with shitposters
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BeantownHero
01/11/19 5:54:00 PM
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tremain07 posted...
I saw that last night, I don't mean to be cruel but that actor in a wheelchair should pursue another field of work, there are so many different things you have to do to make it as an actor that disabled people like him will never ever get a shot, it's not even discrimination, he's a nobody and Hollywood doesn't make films for representation, they make them to make money and certain stars make money. It's why they didn't get an actual tech genius to play Steve Jobs in that movie Aston Klucher was in years ago. That's just reality


This kind of thinking is how you get the same movies played by the same actors, written by the same people. It's why movies like crazy rich asians and black panther are so few and far between.
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LightningAce11
01/11/19 5:56:00 PM
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Authenticity would be better over just pretending. So many sublte tics and nuances a non disabled person wouldn't be able to replicate.
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ZMythos
01/11/19 6:03:06 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
I think it was more "for people who fit this very rare criteria in Hollywood, it would be better if studios had more vision and actually looked for them. It could be an opportunity someone really talented, yet overlooked, could really benefit from"

This is really an interesting point. I didn't really frame it like this before.

A disabled person, an LGBT person, a racial minority, etc. would get passed up for numerous roles because reasons, and the few times the role that they're "fit for" comes up it gets passed to someone else.
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s0nicfan
01/11/19 6:04:50 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
damn...I thought he sounded totally reasonable. Is there any way to have this discussion?

edit: Noah even went out of his way to avoid slandering or demonizing any and is still met with hostility?


The people in this topic (most of them) are bringing up reasonable counter-points in a calm manner. This IS the discussion, unless your definition of discussion is just people blindly agreeing with him. What sort of response were you hoping for?
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ThanksUglyGod
01/11/19 6:06:16 PM
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Funbazooka posted...
Let's say hypothetically, for fun, that all of a sudden all the disabled parts were cast with actual disabled actors. What would happen next is that the same regressive busy-bodies would complain and whine and call it an injustice and discrimination and ableist that disabled actors were only getting the disabled parts. "They aren't defined by their disability, you know!"

Is that what your crystal ball told you?
ZMythos
01/11/19 6:07:42 PM
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s0nicfan posted...

Okay, so how many wheelchair bound actors exist in hollywood that are good enough to replace Bryan Cranston?

Why do they need to be better than him?
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s0nicfan
01/11/19 6:16:26 PM
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ZMythos posted...
s0nicfan posted...

Okay, so how many wheelchair bound actors exist in hollywood that are good enough to replace Bryan Cranston?

Why do they need to be better than him?


Because they have every right to pick the best person for the job? The argument is that if Hollywood looked hard enough they'd find equally good wheelchair bound actors who could do the role. If you want to make the argument that hollywood should intentionally choose worse actors than the ones available because the actor happens to share a trait with the character, we can have that discussion too.
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LightningAce11
01/11/19 6:18:52 PM
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Hollywood constantly picks untalented peple for jobs just because of their connections, not any skill.
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ZMythos
01/11/19 6:20:37 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
The argument is that if Hollywood looked hard enough they'd find equally good wheelchair bound actors who could do the role

Equality wasn't a part of the original claim. Just that talented people in wheelchairs exist.

Did this studio even audition any disabled person?
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refmon
01/11/19 6:23:35 PM
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It's the SJW way of thinking TC. Don't Hire on merit.
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ZMythos
01/11/19 6:25:21 PM
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refmon posted...
It's the SJW way of thinking TC. Don't Hire on merit.

I mean talent is entirely subjective and art doesn't exist in a vacuum. Bad actors are in good films and good actors are in bad films.
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tremain07
01/11/19 6:31:52 PM
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BeantownHero posted...
tremain07 posted...
I saw that last night, I don't mean to be cruel but that actor in a wheelchair should pursue another field of work, there are so many different things you have to do to make it as an actor that disabled people like him will never ever get a shot, it's not even discrimination, he's a nobody and Hollywood doesn't make films for representation, they make them to make money and certain stars make money. It's why they didn't get an actual tech genius to play Steve Jobs in that movie Aston Klucher was in years ago. That's just reality


This kind of thinking is how you get the same movies played by the same actors, written by the same people. It's why movies like crazy rich asians and black panther are so few and far between.

Hey, it's what makes money, take it up with the public if you don't like it.
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C_Pain
01/11/19 6:33:12 PM
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im going to listen to this brit
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iPhone_7
01/11/19 6:39:45 PM
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Bryan Cranston should step down from the role and release a long statement about being woke
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s0nicfan
01/11/19 6:46:06 PM
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ZMythos posted...
s0nicfan posted...
The argument is that if Hollywood looked hard enough they'd find equally good wheelchair bound actors who could do the role

Equality wasn't a part of the original claim. Just that talented people in wheelchairs exist.

Did this studio even audition any disabled person?


If there was a casting call, I'm sure they auditioned anyone who showed up.
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dave_is_slick
01/11/19 6:49:07 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
BeantownHero posted...
damn...I thought he sounded totally reasonable. Is there any way to have this discussion?

edit: Noah even went out of his way to avoid slandering or demonizing any and is still met with hostility?


You can't have reasonable discussion on CE, it is filled to the brim with shitposters

Point out who's being unreasonable here. I'll wait.
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iPhone_7
01/11/19 7:42:26 PM
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Maybe the auditioning room was on a floor only accessible via stairs.
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