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Antifar
01/11/19 11:09:10 AM
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https://www.politico.com/story/2019/01/11/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democrats-establisment-1093728
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is already making enemies in the House Democratic Caucus and some of its members are mounting an operation to bring the anti-establishment, democratic socialist with 2.2 million Twitter followers into the fold.

The effort, described by nearly 20 lawmakers and aides, is part carrot, part stick: Some lawmakers with ties to Ocasio-Cortez are hoping to coax her into using her star power to unite Democrats and turn her fire on Republicans. Others simultaneously warn Ocasio-Cortez is destined for a lonely, ineffectual career in Congress if she continues to treat her own party as the enemy.

Im sure Ms. Cortez means well, but theres almost an outstanding rule: Dont attack your own people, said Rep. Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.). We just dont need sniping in our Democratic Caucus.

Incumbent Democrats are most annoyed by Ocasio-Cortezs threat to back primary opponents against members of their ranks she deems too moderate. But their frustration goes beyond that: Democratic leaders are upset that she railed against their new set of House rules on Twitter the first week of the new Congress. [Antifar's note: those rules make a progressive agenda basically impossible.] Rank and file are peeved that theres a grassroots movement to try to win her a top committee post they feel she doesnt deserve.

Even some progressives who admire AOC, as shes nicknamed, told POLITICO that they worry shes not using her notoriety effectively.

She needs to decide: Does she want to be an effective legislator or just continue being a Twitter star? said one House Democrat whos in lockstep with Ocasio Cortezs ideology. Theres a difference between being an activist and a lawmaker in Congress.

Its an open question whether Ocasio-Cortez can be checked. Shes barely been in Congress a week and is better known than almost any other House member other than Nancy Pelosi and John Lewis. A media throng follows her every move, and she can command a national audience practically at will.

None of that came playing by the usual rules: Indeed, Ocasio-Cortezs willingness to take on her party establishment with unconventional guerrilla tactics is what got her here. Its earned her icon status on the progressive left, its where the 29-year-old freshman derives her power and, by every indication, its how she thinks she can pull the Democratic Party in her direction.

The Freedom Caucus didnt win many popularity contests in Congress the past four years, but its hard to dispute the hard-liners success dragging the GOP to the right.

Still, fellow Democrats are giving it their best, or planning to in the near future.

So far, most of them have kept their criticism of Ocasio-Cortez private, fearful shell sic her massive following on them by firing off a tweet. But a few are engaging with her in the hopes shell opt for a different M.O., especially when it comes to trying to take out Democrats in primaries.
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Ocasio-Cortez is an enigma to most House Democrats. Shes very friendly in person, chatting up fellow lawmakers and security workers in the Capitol as shes tailed by admirers and reporters.

Then they see the Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter, where she frequently snaps at critics and occasionally at fellow Democrats. When House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters that a new climate committee that Ocasio-Cortez championed would not have subpoena power, she retweeted the news and chastised Democratic leadership.

Our goal is to treat Climate Change like the serious, existential threat it is by drafting an ambitious solution on the scale necessary aka a Green New Deal to get it done, she said. A weak committee misses the point & endangers people.

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Guide
01/11/19 11:10:21 AM
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Old guard can suck it. She's in the right.
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s0nicfan
01/11/19 11:11:00 AM
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I'm not really surprised by this. She was always at risk of being ostracized by her party if she stood out too much.
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Were_Wyrm
01/11/19 11:11:15 AM
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Join the hive!
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TheMikh
01/11/19 11:11:50 AM
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cortez is the left-wing trump

whether that is in a good way or a bad way, we have yet to find out

either way, it's the sign of a major realignment in progress, the nature of which we cannot yet fully comprehend

she's also literally perfect
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NeonOctopus
01/11/19 11:11:55 AM
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CommonStar
01/11/19 11:11:55 AM
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Good. Fuck the old ways.
Alpha218
01/11/19 11:14:20 AM
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Guide posted...
Old guard can suck it. She's in the right.

I mean, yeah, but she needs to find a way to channel her ideology and persona into a means of getting things done. I really hope she does.
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P4wn4g3
01/11/19 11:14:23 AM
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Good news, she's rustling the jimmies of the shitty Dems in power. They should just leave, they've managed to do next to nothing since Reagan anyway.
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Tyranthraxus
01/11/19 11:15:12 AM
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Guide posted...
Old guard can suck it. She's in the right.

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Romulox28
01/11/19 11:15:16 AM
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they are shook by her because they know she is the first raindrop in the flood that's going to drown out the establishment as our generation gets older and starts replacing boomers in political positions
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NinjaBreakfast
01/11/19 11:15:59 AM
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It's honestly sad but also hilarious how simply being a politician with left wing views has amplified the attn AOC has targeted at her by about 10000000x
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mobile_jukester
01/11/19 11:16:40 AM
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Fuck the Dems as a party. There are plenty of individually good Democrat politicians but as a whole they fucking suck ass.
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Taharqa_
01/11/19 11:16:40 AM
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Romulox28 posted...
they are shook by her because they know she is the first raindrop in the flood that's going to drown out the establishment as our generation gets older and starts replacing boomers in political positions


Yup
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Sexypwnstar
01/11/19 11:16:44 AM
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P4wn4g3
01/11/19 11:20:01 AM
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Frankly she's the only one seizing this opportunity to reform the party into something better. If these old fucks can't figure out that the 2020 election is in the bag and their old strategy of bipartisan politics is shit then they don't deserve taxpayer money. "Oh no she's tearing us apart!" While the rest of the party does absolutely nothing.
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ssj3vegeta_
01/11/19 11:21:06 AM
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WaterLink
01/11/19 11:21:11 AM
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Tbh she makes me sad. But not for her politics, it's the fact that I am now older than a US Representative. It was weird when I started being older than pro sports players after growing up watching those leagues, now it's just yet another reminder of how old I'm getting. :(
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spudger
01/11/19 11:21:44 AM
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Antifar posted...
turn her fire on Republicans

i hate the repubs right now, but this shit makes our partisan system even worse.
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P4wn4g3
01/11/19 11:21:55 AM
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WaterLink posted...
Tbh she makes me sad. But not for her politics, it's the fact that I am now older than a US Representative. It was weird when I started being older than pro sports players after growing up watching those leagues, now it's just yet another reminder of how old I'm getting. :(

She's an incredibly young rep.
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JlM
01/11/19 11:23:54 AM
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Fuck the sniveling, fence riding, old tits holding back the party and progress.

Lead the charge, my Latina queen.
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ElatedVenusaur
01/11/19 11:24:15 AM
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Alpha218 posted...
Guide posted...
Old guard can suck it. She's in the right.

I mean, yeah, but she needs to find a way to channel her ideology and persona into a means of getting things done. I really hope she does.

I mean, she already has a bunch of allies inside and outside of Congress. People like Reps. Ro Khanna, Ayanna Presley, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Sen. Sanders, and organizations like the Justice Dems and Democratic Socialists of America. The idea she's just some rogue element is ridiculous: she represents a future Democratic party more in tune with its voters than its wealthy donor class. No points for guessing why she upsets the establishment Dems so much.
Balrog0
01/11/19 11:24:59 AM
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o quote Alan Moore: None of you understand. I'm not locked up in here with YOU. You're locked up in here with ME. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez added,
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Let me try and save folks some time here. You cannot rein in Latinas. They rein you in. #YearOfTheLatina #FutureIsLatina

Exasperated Democrats try to rein in @AOC https://politi.co/2Chde4N @politico
239 replies 525 retweets 3,091 likes
Reply 239 Retweet 525 Like 3.1K Direct message

https://twitter.com/AOC/status/1083759782098583553

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Caution999
01/11/19 11:26:47 AM
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Old Dems are right.
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Kombucha
01/11/19 11:27:06 AM
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Weird how these dumbasses want to put a muzzle on the only person generating substantial enthusiasm for their party right now. They must have been the same tone-deaf people responsible for Hillary.
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P4wn4g3
01/11/19 11:28:54 AM
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Caution999 posted...
Old Dems are right.

lol the alt right loves democrats now
hilarious what people without integrity will say
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spudger
01/11/19 11:29:23 AM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
Caution999 posted...
Old Dems are right.

lol the alt right loves democrats now
hilarious what people without integrity will say

caution gonna caution
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JlM
01/11/19 11:30:01 AM
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Caution999 posted...
I am terribly afraid of this woman and pee myself thinking about her.

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ThyCorndog
01/11/19 11:30:48 AM
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the old guard need to resign
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ElatedVenusaur
01/11/19 11:33:21 AM
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There's probably another reason though: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/01/why-conservatives-cant-stop-talking-about-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/579901

The article aims only at conservatives, but it wouldn't shock me if many Democrats(especially the older white ones) felt the same way about a young Latina in the halls of power.
Hop103
01/11/19 11:34:03 AM
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They should be, because the DSA running the US will be the country's downfall. They must stand up and save America.
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s0nicfan
01/11/19 11:35:01 AM
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So we're already at the "any criticism of AOC is racist, sexist fear of a woman of color" stage? That was quick.
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Taharqa_
01/11/19 11:36:17 AM
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The old Democratic establishment still wants to bring a butter knife to a gunfight. If they try to silence one of the most visible newcomers that has energized the large, younger demographic then they haven't learned anything.
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Spooking
01/11/19 11:37:17 AM
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s0nicfan posted...
So we're already at the "any criticism of AOC is racist, sexist fear of a woman of color" stage? That was quick.

Happened with Obama and Clinton, too: "Criticize their policy proposals? It must be because they identify with x, y and z. Yup, not because their proposals are awful."
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Evol
01/11/19 11:37:24 AM
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Its not that newsworthy imo. The Dem Party wasnt this harmonious step-in-line group before Ocasio-Cortez stepped in either. For some reason the media is making the most out of her and I dont think she even wants all that attention.
Hairistotle
01/11/19 11:38:49 AM
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TheMikh posted...
cortez is the left-wing trump

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P4wn4g3
01/11/19 11:39:54 AM
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Hop103 posted...
They should be, because the DSA running the US will be the country's downfall. They must stand up and save America.

Yes and certainly the National Socialist Party would just be wonderful for us right?

s0nicfan posted...
So we're already at the "any criticism of AOC is racist, sexist fear of a woman of color" stage? That was quick.

Spooking posted...
s0nicfan posted...
So we're already at the "any criticism of AOC is racist, sexist fear of a woman of color" stage? That was quick.

Happened with Obama and Clinton, too: "Criticize her policy proposals? It must be because they identify with x, y and z. Yup, not because their proposals are awful."

People getting so shook by AoC they can't even think straight
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Caution999
01/11/19 1:14:59 PM
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Imo: the old guard of both parties needs to change, but mark my words: socialism would kill America. Guaranteed.

It will work for the first 5-10 years and then we would fall flat on our faces.
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Blue_Inigo
01/11/19 1:16:41 PM
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Those old fucks can fuck off. Hope she brings in a reform
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Chad-Henne
01/11/19 1:19:21 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Guide posted...
Old guard can suck it. She's in the right.

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P4wn4g3
01/11/19 1:20:21 PM
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Caution999 posted...
Imo: the old guard of both parties needs to change, but mark my words: socialism would kill America. Guaranteed.

It will work for the first 5-10 years and then we would fall flat on our faces.

I mean, if it was implemented poorly then sure. Democratic Socialism transitioned properly would be a healthy change though.
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ElatedVenusaur
01/11/19 1:20:36 PM
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https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/joe-lieberman-aoc-democrats-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/2019/01/10/id/897740/
Well guys, it was a great run, but I don't see how our movement can survive without the approval of Joe Lieberman. Time to dehumanize ourselves and face to eternal centrism.
P4wn4g3
01/11/19 1:22:32 PM
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oh noes
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s0nicfan
01/11/19 1:24:41 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/joe-lieberman-aoc-democrats-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/2019/01/10/id/897740/
Well guys, it was a great run, but I don't see how our movement can survive without the approval of Joe Lieberman. Time to dehumanize ourselves and face to eternal centrism.


Centrism isn't a dirty word no matter how hard you try to make it one.
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P4wn4g3
01/11/19 1:27:51 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
ElatedVenusaur posted...
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/joe-lieberman-aoc-democrats-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/2019/01/10/id/897740/
Well guys, it was a great run, but I don't see how our movement can survive without the approval of Joe Lieberman. Time to dehumanize ourselves and face to eternal centrism.


Centrism isn't a dirty word no matter how hard you try to make it one.

"Sarah Palin of the left" isn't going to catch on, no matter how much you'd like it to.
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s0nicfan
01/11/19 1:28:39 PM
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P4wn4g3 posted...
s0nicfan posted...
ElatedVenusaur posted...
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/joe-lieberman-aoc-democrats-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/2019/01/10/id/897740/
Well guys, it was a great run, but I don't see how our movement can survive without the approval of Joe Lieberman. Time to dehumanize ourselves and face to eternal centrism.


Centrism isn't a dirty word no matter how hard you try to make it one.

"Sarah Palin of the left" isn't going to catch on, no matter how much you'd like it to.


It's a real shame I've never said that, then, or you'd have a point.
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Balrog0
01/11/19 1:32:14 PM
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s0nicfan posted...
ElatedVenusaur posted...
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/joe-lieberman-aoc-democrats-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/2019/01/10/id/897740/
Well guys, it was a great run, but I don't see how our movement can survive without the approval of Joe Lieberman. Time to dehumanize ourselves and face to eternal centrism.


Centrism isn't a dirty word no matter how hard you try to make it one.


tell that to the american public
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UnholyMudcrab
01/11/19 1:32:53 PM
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ElatedVenusaur posted...
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/joe-lieberman-aoc-democrats-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/2019/01/10/id/897740/
Well guys, it was a great run, but I don't see how our movement can survive without the approval of Joe Lieberman. Time to dehumanize ourselves and face to eternal centrism.

Joe "Fuck the public option" Lieberman
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Prestoff
01/11/19 1:33:23 PM
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TheMikh posted...
cortez is the left-wing trump

whether that is in a good way or a bad way, we have yet to find out

either way, it's the sign of a major realignment in progress, the nature of which we cannot yet fully comprehend

she's also literally perfect


Yeah just like trump, aoc is basically a disrupter in the party line. Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot if they are having this line of thinking.
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theAteam
01/11/19 1:35:56 PM
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Prestoff posted...
TheMikh posted...
cortez is the left-wing trump

whether that is in a good way or a bad way, we have yet to find out

either way, it's the sign of a major realignment in progress, the nature of which we cannot yet fully comprehend

she's also literally perfect


Yeah just like trump, aoc is basically a disrupter in the party line. Democrats are shooting themselves in the foot if they are having this line of thinking.


She's pushing the Overton Window left and neither the Dems or GOP (i.e. their donors) wants that.
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